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M&CC has no plans for relocated vendors

GEORGETOWN Mayor Patricia Chase-Green has said that the Markets Public Health Committee of the City Council has to be more proactive in formulating a policy that will cater for the relocation of vendors at the Parliament View Mall to a more suitable location.To date, vendors have no clue where they will be relocated, and officials, too, although having brainstormed some ideas, have nothing solid to work with. Town Clerk Royston King had tasked the said committee with coming up with a plan, but so far, nothing has been forthcoming from it.

A further extension was granted recently for the vendors to remain on the plot of land south of the Public Buildings until December.

Mayor of Georgetown, Patricia Chase-GreenMayor of Georgetown, Patricia Chase-Green

“We have until December to relocate the vendors. We cannot wait for a once-a-month meeting to deal with it. We have already completed three months and we would have done nothing in the three months. We have to be more proactive in doing what we have to do and if you can’t do it, I will have to call the administration on board to get it done,” Chase-Green told city councillors.

“We have to have something on board,” she continued, adding, “But you’re elected and you proposed that you have a policy document to deal with vending and therefore you have to come up with one…at least some ideas of what you want in the policy. We have to go to the government, or to the banks, or somewhere to deal with how we move forward. We have to start somewhere, because vending in front of the Stabroek Market is a no no.”

The Markets Public Health Committee is made up of Chairman Lionel Hanoman-Jaikarran; Deputy Mayor Sherod Duncan; Councillors Bishram Kuppen, Trichria Richards, Malcolm Ferreira, Andrea Marks, and Yvonne Ferguson.

Meanwhile, the Town Clerk had disclosed that the City Council explored the ideas of installing a double-deck on the ‘Bourda Green’ and extending the Stabroek Market in order to accommodate the ultimate relocation of the said vendors.
“We have received an extension at Parliament View Mall that will go until December. Again, I wish to publicly announce my gratitude to the owner for his support and understanding of our efforts at the M&CC,” King had said.

“We are not in any way attempting to take bread from anyone, but we’re trying to organise the city in a way that will make it (comparable to) modern cities and that would allow it to stand shoulder to shoulder with the great cities of the world,” he said.

The Town Clerk said he is hoping at the expiration of this extension not to have to seek any further extensions, and that a policy from the Public Health and Markets Committee would be made available.

“There are several options on the table. We are looking at a double-decker in Bourda Green, and we’re looking at the extension of the Stabroek Market, among others.”

The mayor had said she hopes there would be no need to apply for a further extension of the life of the Parliament View Mall, because of the trauma and stress the City Hall team had endured to secure this extension.

“The owner has his own development (plans) for that area, and we would not want to stop development in Georgetown based on our own inadequacy of not providing proper vending areas for vendors,” the mayor observed.

She said it was disappointing that when a meeting was called on the issue, all the members of the Markets and Public Health Committee did not turn up.

“Maybe they had other commitments, but we have to be proactive in this; we cannot sit down. We sat down for the three months, and were not able at the end of the three months to come up with one suggestion. If we were forced to remove those vendors at the end of August, where would we put them?

“The Markets Public Health Committee said they wanted to do a policy so (that) at the end of the three months, we would have been able to do something. The end of the three months is here, and we have done nothing! We are lucky that we were able to have an extension,” she said.

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Mayor of Georgetown, Patricia Chase-GreenMayor of Georgetown, Patricia Chase-Green

“We have until December to relocate the vendors. We cannot wait for a once-a-month meeting to deal with it. We have already completed three months and we would have done nothing in the three months. We have to be more proactive in doing what we have to do and if you can’t do it, I will have to call the administration on board to get it done,” Chase-Green told city councillors.

“The Markets Public Health Committee said they wanted to do a policy so (that) at the end of the three months, we would have been able to do something. The end of the three months is here, and we have done nothing! We are lucky that we were able to have an extension,” she said.

M&CC has no plans for relocated vendors, September 2, 2016, http://guyanachronicle.com/mcc...r-relocated-vendors/

Mayor was extremely quick to implement the parking meter project but seems to have absolutely no plans for the vendors; which is a pressing issues for the individuals to continue with their business and livelihood.

FM
skeldon_man posted:

Yet these vendors will vote PNC come next election.

Dem and Caribj attended Sophia University. Once you attend that University, you are Pavlov DOG for life!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Nehru
Drugb posted:

An excellent idea would be to put the vendors at the Durban park monstrosity that Granger build. It serves no useful purpose, this could be its redemption. 

Image result for jubilee stadium guyana

Actually the area should be developed for shopping, with a section for the vendors.  Given that G/T and other areas have now been developed to the south and east, and lack well developed shopping this would work.  The notion that every one must go to the central business district is ridiculous.

Now your notion of dumping vendors in an area which will have little traffic as it isn't a business/shopping destination s reflective of your backward PPP mentality. Why you think that you are a business giant is baffling.

But I agree with you that this is as much of a waste as is Providence.  At least Granger financed this locally so it isn't a foreign exchange burden as is Jagdeo's white elephant.

FM
caribny posted:
Drugb posted:

An excellent idea would be to put the vendors at the Durban park monstrosity that Granger build. It serves no useful purpose, this could be its redemption. 

Image result for jubilee stadium guyana

Actually the area should be developed for shopping, with a section for the vendors.  Given that G/T and other areas have now been developed to the south and east, and lack well developed shopping this would work.  The notion that every one must go to the central business district is ridiculous.

Now your notion of dumping vendors in an area which will have little traffic as it isn't a business/shopping destination s reflective of your backward PPP mentality. Why you think that you are a business giant is baffling.

But I agree with you that this is as much of a waste as is Providence.  At least Granger financed this locally so it isn't a foreign exchange burden as is Jagdeo's white elephant.

Guyana does not need another shopping area given its small population. The real estate around the city center is too valuable to allocate to vendors. In fact the median at Bourda would also suffice. It is already in use for fruit and vegetable vending. What is not acceptable is the lawless way in which vendors set up shop in front of tax paying business establishments. This was encouraged under Green. 

FM
Drugb posted:
Image result for jubilee stadium guyana

Actually the area should be developed for shopping, with a section for the vendors.  Given that G/T and other areas have now been developed to the south and east, and lack well developed shopping this would work.  The notion that every one must go to the central business district is ridiculous.

Now your notion of dumping vendors in an area which will have little traffic as it isn't a business/shopping destination s reflective of your backward PPP mentality. Why you think that you are a business giant is baffling.

But I agree with you that this is as much of a waste as is Providence.  At least Granger financed this locally so it isn't a foreign exchange burden as is Jagdeo's white elephant.

Guyana does not need another shopping area given its small population. The real estate around the city center is too valuable to allocate to vendors. In fact the median at Bourda would also suffice. It is already in use for fruit and vegetable vending. What is not acceptable is the lawless way in which vendors set up shop in front of tax paying business establishments. This was encouraged under Green. 

I can only wonder why you think that a metro area of almost 300k should have every one squeezing into Regent St and a few others.

I see your racism coming through.  Just dump those poor black people any where, so you can laugh at them. And when they kick your racist ass to the curb by ensuring that the PPP loses then you start wailing.

Its that simple.  Create alternate shopping areas which are sorely needed, and design these so that vendors can be incorporated.  If the vendors are dumped in a spot they will return to set up in front of the same stores that you claim are so valuable.

FM
ksazma posted:
caribny posted:

Image result for jubilee stadium guyana

 

But I agree with you that this is as much of a waste as is Providence. 

But you have to admit that this looks more like a real structure than the one above.

Image result for providence stadium guyana

The openness of the one above allows more flexibility in usage.

Do you know that even Dominica gets more international cricket than Providence. Check and see when last an international cricket game was played at Provident.  And to think that it was funded by a US$ loan, which means that US$ must be found for debt service.

FM
caribny posted:
ksazma posted:
caribny posted:

Image result for jubilee stadium guyana

 

But I agree with you that this is as much of a waste as is Providence. 

But you have to admit that this looks more like a real structure than the one above.

Image result for providence stadium guyana

The openness of the one above allows more flexibility in usage.

Do you know that even Dominica gets more international cricket than Providence. Check and see when last an international cricket game was played at Provident.  And to think that it was funded by a US$ loan, which means that US$ must be found for debt service.

Not arguing any of your statements dude. Just comparing the two structures. The Providence Stadium gave the impression that much thought went into its design and construction whereas the Durban Park structure gave the impression that it was shoddily put together at the eleventh hour with little consideration for design and construction. That much is obvious.

Here are some photos of the Central Broward Regional Park built in 2007. It was built primarily to attract cricket which has only just concluded some of the IPL matches.

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FM
caribny posted:

I can only wonder why you think that a metro area of almost 300k should have every one squeezing into Regent St and a few others.

I see your racism coming through.  Just dump those poor black people any where, so you can laugh at them. And when they kick your racist ass to the curb by ensuring that the PPP loses then you start wailing.

Its that simple.  Create alternate shopping areas which are sorely needed, and design these so that vendors can be incorporated.  If the vendors are dumped in a spot they will return to set up in front of the same stores that you claim are so valuable.

And you are an expert on city planning?   Regent street itself is too big for the small population and is only busy on Saturday. You apparently have not used up your entitlements checks to visit Guyana in the past 23 years else you wouldn't be prattling this nonsense. It is not only regent street but the surrounding area extending from North road to Princess St, and Vlissengen road to Water street.  More and more you are being exposed as a housebound individual who knows very little about Guyana. With regards to your sympathy to pavement vendors, they have a place in society, but not poaching business away from in front of tax paying business establishments or blocking the sidewalks or roads. 

FM
ksazma posted:
caribny

Here are some photos of the Central Broward Regional Park built in 2007. It was built primarily to attract cricket which has only just concluded some of the IPL matches.

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I am sure that there are actually sports activities at the Central Broward. Providence is a big and expensive Thirst Park.  And incurs foreign exchange obligations.

FM
Drugb posted:
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And you are an expert on city planning?   Regent street itself is too big for the small population and is only busy on Saturday. You apparently have not used up your entitlements checks to visit Guyana in the past 23 years else you wouldn't be prattling this nonsense. It is not only regent street but the surrounding area extending from North road to Princess St, and Vlissengen road to Water street.  More and more you are being exposed as a housebound individual who knows very little about Guyana. With regards to your sympathy to pavement vendors, they have a place in society, but not poaching business away from in front of tax paying business establishments or blocking the sidewalks or roads. 

I know more about city planning then you obviously do.  Even small capitals like St Georges in Grenada have been dispersing their commercial areas away from the core business district. 

So why should the 300k people who live in, or around G/T all shop in that core business area anchored by Regent St?  People cannot even find places to park.  And traffic is horrendous.  And congestion encourages crime.

Vendors locate their operations where there is foot traffic.  No one goes to a place just to see vendors. While they are in a business location vendors have an opportunity to sell to them. 

In fact the larger Regent St business people will welcome a new commercial area aimed at the south eastern parts of G/T as they will definitely establish outlets in that area.   Are you telling me that some one from Plaisance should go to the Regent St area to shop? 

Given that this commercial district will be new it can then be developed to provide space for vendors without adversely impacting business people.

But you prefer the vendors to clog up Regent St, because they are NOT going to stay at a place where the only thing that they will catch is breeze!

FM
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caribny posted:
Drugb posted:
Image result for jubilee stadium guyana

Actually the area should be developed for shopping, with a section for the vendors.  Given that G/T and other areas have now been developed to the south and east, and lack well developed shopping this would work.  The notion that every one must go to the central business district is ridiculous.

Now your notion of dumping vendors in an area which will have little traffic as it isn't a business/shopping destination s reflective of your backward PPP mentality. Why you think that you are a business giant is baffling.

But I agree with you that this is as much of a waste as is Providence.  At least Granger financed this locally so it isn't a foreign exchange burden as is Jagdeo's white elephant.

Guyana does not need another shopping area given its small population. The real estate around the city center is too valuable to allocate to vendors. In fact the median at Bourda would also suffice. It is already in use for fruit and vegetable vending. What is not acceptable is the lawless way in which vendors set up shop in front of tax paying business establishments. This was encouraged under Green. 

I can only wonder why you think that a metro area of almost 300k should have every one squeezing into Regent St and a few others.

I see your racism coming through.  Just dump those poor black people any where, so you can laugh at them. And when they kick your racist ass to the curb by ensuring that the PPP loses then you start wailing.

Its that simple.  Create alternate shopping areas which are sorely needed, and design these so that vendors can be incorporated.  If the vendors are dumped in a spot they will return to set up in front of the same stores that you claim are so valuable.

Nah bai. Historically, Negroes always end up in the big cities. That's where they thrive best. Takers do not need to work hard for a living. As The Donald said "there is a lazy trait". PPP has not lost an election. You and your PNC rigged and frigged all your elections through your bullying. We are still waiting for your PNC dominated court system to order a recount. You think they know something? The coolies need to resort to the black people ways of showing their displeasure..minus the burning and looting.

FM
caribny posted:
ksazma posted:

Here are some photos of the Central Broward Regional Park built in 2007. It was built primarily to attract cricket which has only just concluded some of the IPL matches.

Image result for broward regional park

Image result for broward regional park

Image result for broward regional park

Image result for broward regional park

Image result for broward regional park

I am sure that there are actually sports activities at the Central Broward. Providence is a big and expensive Thirst Park.  And incurs foreign exchange obligations.

I am not sure why Providence doesn't attract more games but no one can fault the PPP for aspiring to have a world class stadium like other parts of the world. Bourda was old even when I used to go there in the 70's and 80's. Maybe the political climate and crime conditions contribute to the cricket world's dicisions to exclude it from many games. Maybe it is because there are so many countries and only a few test matches during a test series and they have to spread the games in an equitable way. Secondly, almost every venture in Guyana require fx input. Not so long ago, the current government was trying to get an advance from Exxon-Mobil which would have been a terrible idea since it doen't look like there is any oil activity any time soon.

FM
skeldon_man posted:

PPP has not lost an election. You and your PNC rigged and frigged all your elections through your bullying. We are still waiting for your PNC dominated court system to order a recount.

The recount should have been done immediately; perhaps within two days of the election; with all of the political parties' representatives present to witness the recount.

Of note, the difference was less than one percent which, in all countries, requires an immediate recount prior to officially declaring the results and the confirmed elected representatives can then form the government.

FM
Demerara_Guy posted:
skeldon_man posted:

PPP has not lost an election. You and your PNC rigged and frigged all your elections through your bullying. We are still waiting for your PNC dominated court system to order a recount.

The recount should have been done immediately; perhaps within two days of the election; with all of the political parties' representatives present to witness the recount.

Of note, the difference was less than one percent which, in all countries, requires an immediate recount prior to officially declaring the results and the confirmed elected representatives can then form the government.

According to Carib, Negroes can do no harm. They do not steal, kick down door, burn, loot, maim, murder, choke and rob...They just commit acts of charity to take from the doers and give to the takers. When their criminal acts are reported in the media, he blames the PPP for cultivating criminals. I do not see how you can cultivate an inherited trait.

FM
skeldon_man posted:
 

According to Carib, Negroes can do no harm. They do not steal, kick down door, burn, loot, maim, murder, choke and rob...They just commit acts of charity to take from the doers and give to the takers. When their criminal acts are reported in the media, he blames the PPP for cultivating criminals. I do not see how you can cultivate an inherited trait.

He's getting a fat check from Granger to write crap on GNI. We should ignore his posts and let him talk to himself. 

FM
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caribny posted:
 

I know more about city planning then you obviously do.  Even small capitals like St Georges in Grenada have been dispersing their commercial areas away from the core business district. 

So why should the 300k people who live in, or around G/T all shop in that core business area anchored by Regent St?  People cannot even find places to park.  And traffic is horrendous.  And congestion encourages crime.

Vendors locate their operations where there is foot traffic.  No one goes to a place just to see vendors. While they are in a business location vendors have an opportunity to sell to them. 

In fact the larger Regent St business people will welcome a new commercial area aimed at the south eastern parts of G/T as they will definitely establish outlets in that area.   Are you telling me that some one from Plaisance should go to the Regent St area to shop? 

Given that this commercial district will be new it can then be developed to provide space for vendors without adversely impacting business people.

But you prefer the vendors to clog up Regent St, because they are NOT going to stay at a place where the only thing that they will catch is breeze!

You are a talker not a doer. Go tell Granger to build your shopping center there and see how it becomes a white elephant like the Durban park stands.  Businesses will shun the area. Apparently you don't know much about Guyana. Business are no longer central, they are scattered throughout the country. Gone are the days when people have to travel to the city to shop, stores are in close proximity on the main road to almost every village in the Demerara area.  

FM

Even back in our days we had a shop that sold haberdasheries, fruits, groceries, bread and cakes, beverages and even some clothes. We used to sell apples and grapes and all kinds of foreign goodies before Burnham ruined Guyana. We even sold kerosene.

FM
ksazma posted:

Even back in our days we had a shop that sold haberdasheries, fruits, groceries, bread and cakes, beverages and even some clothes. We used to sell apples and grapes and all kinds of foreign goodies before Burnham ruined Guyana. We even sold kerosene.

CaribJunk still in the dark ages of "country come to town" to shop. This it the effect of a housebound welfare recipient pretending to be a "know it all".  

FM
skeldon_man posted:
.. .You and your PNC rigged and frigged all your elections through your bullying. .

Can you explain how the PNC managed to rig the elections in 2015 when the PPP was in power, but didn't rig the LGE, which the PPP screamed that "they won"?

But any way the black and mixed population will be just under 50% of the voting age population in 2020, so continue to call us lazy.

FM
Drugb posted:
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CaribJunk still in the dark ages of "country come to town" to shop..".  

Now you are the one who thinks that every one in Guyana must shop on Regent, Robb, Camp, and a few other streets, even though parking is no longer available.

People who know about town planning generally suggest that alternate shopping should be available.   And much emphasis is placed on making these commercial corridors successful by putting in place anchor shopping establishments strong enough to attract people into the area.

Left to folks like you every one from Queens, The Bronx, Brooklyn and Staten I would be shopping on 5th Ave.

Druggie you problem is that you have a deep felt feeling of inferiority to me, so confuse and contradict yourself.   And also display your gross ignorance, and racism.  You don't know anything about me except that I am black, so I must be on welfare.

FM
Drugb posted:
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You are a talker not a doer. Go tell Granger to build your shopping center there and see how it becomes a white elephant like the Durban park stands.  Businesses will shun the area. .

Druggie wrapping himself in contradictions and making him look like an ass. 

Do you think that the only people who shop in the central business district of G/T are those who live there?   Then why is it so congested, given that those areas are no longer residential.  Clearly people come from many places, and create traffic congestion and difficulties in finding parking.

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So if businesses shun that area why will it be attractive to vendors?  If major brands cannot attract customers then why will some women selling panties, or T shirts?

So I say let the vendors stay right there Regent St in front of your family's business. That is why you scream because you fear that developing other commercial corridors will divert business away from where they are located.

FM
ksazma posted:

Even back in our days we had a shop that sold haberdasheries, fruits, groceries, bread and cakes, beverages and even some clothes..

OK so folks only buy these goods.  They don't buy clothes, electronics, or other items.  They don't want a range of stores in a location, offering a broad range of options.

FM
caribny posted:
ksazma posted:

Even back in our days we had a shop that sold haberdasheries, fruits, groceries, bread and cakes, beverages and even some clothes..

OK so folks only buy these goods.  They don't buy clothes, electronics, or other items.  They don't want a range of stores in a location, offering a broad range of options.

Of course people buy many other things than we sold back then. I was just listing the things that we sold before our shelves went bare during the 70's and early 80's. Thankfully our shop was not our only source of income since our father was also a 'pill pusher'. My point was that businesses were always spread across Guyana. Sure, Regent and Water streets were major but never the only places of commerce in Guyana.

On another note, I was surprised on my business trip to Mackenzie in the early 80's how the KSI there was so stocked while the ones in Georgetown were bare. I thought I was in a different country as I have been to Suriname before and it reminded me of the shops there although not as lucrative.

FM
caribny posted:
skeldon_man posted:
.. .You and your PNC rigged and frigged all your elections through your bullying. .

Can you explain how the PNC managed to rig the elections in 2015 when the PPP was in power, but didn't rig the LGE, which the PPP screamed that "they won"?

But any way the black and mixed population will be just under 50% of the voting age population in 2020, so continue to call us lazy.

I think the mixed population will not identify with the nigroes. The mixed population will will be doers, not takers. Their coolie genes will tell them to work hard and EARN what you want and need. They are going to be like the latinos in America. Every political party will want their vote. Let's not forget the Amerindians. They will identify with the PPP as they see the PNC shouting "abie on tap now".

FM
caribny posted:

Druggie wrapping himself in contradictions and making him look like an ass. 

Do you think that the only people who shop in the central business district of G/T are those who live there?   Then why is it so congested, given that those areas are no longer residential.  Clearly people come from many places, and create traffic congestion and difficulties in finding parking.

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So if businesses shun that area why will it be attractive to vendors?  If major brands cannot attract customers then why will some women selling panties, or T shirts?

So I say let the vendors stay right there Regent St in front of your family's business. That is why you scream because you fear that developing other commercial corridors will divert business away from where they are located.

You obviously know nothing about Guyana or urban development and planning. Shopping centers are built out of necessity. Currently in Guyana with such a small population, the necessity is just not there. But I will let you have the last word. Go ahead and get jackass Granger to build your shopping center instead of a manufacturing center as this is the vision you have for Guyana, peddling imports. 

FM
caribny posted:
Drugb posted:
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CaribJunk still in the dark ages of "country come to town" to shop..".  

Now you are the one who thinks that every one in Guyana must shop on Regent, Robb, Camp, and a few other streets, even though parking is no longer available.

People who know about town planning generally suggest that alternate shopping should be available.   And much emphasis is placed on making these commercial corridors successful by putting in place anchor shopping establishments strong enough to attract people into the area.

Left to folks like you every one from Queens, The Bronx, Brooklyn and Staten I would be shopping on 5th Ave.

Druggie you problem is that you have a deep felt feeling of inferiority to me, so confuse and contradict yourself.   And also display your gross ignorance, and racism.  You don't know anything about me except that I am black, so I must be on welfare.

You are obviously confused about a small 3rd world nation and at thriving metropolis. But go ahead with jackass Granger and build your shopping center if you wish. 

On your identity, you claim to be Black however many suspect that you ar an Indo pretending to be negro.  

FM

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