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Ministers’ pay rise revisited 

SN Editorial 10-19-15

Now that President Granger has spoken it appears that the APNU+AFC administration has decided there will be no turning back on the much decried salary increases for ministers which range as high as 50% for Cabinet members. What a blunder. The self-awarding of these hikes for the Cabinet ministers will remain etched in the psyche of the populace as a palpable violation of the principled behaviour which the new government had so fervently promised on the campaign trail and after entering office. The increases are also illogical when compared with the varied promises of this months-old government and the charges it had levelled at its predecessor.

 

Recognising that the state of the economy could not sustain a reduction in the Value Added Tax rate as had been promised in its manifesto, the administration sensibly backpedalled in favour of a comprehensive study on the way forward. Conscious that the economy could not support the promised substantial wage hike for public servants or at least the 20% and 10% that had been mentioned at various points, the government reversed course in favour of a much smaller package. There was hardly an outcry. Despite promises of a substantial improvement in the circumstances for pensioners, the real increase in this year’s budget was slight when the reclamation of utility subsidies was factored in. How then could the executive and its Cabinet ministers be so callous as to award a salary hike of 50%? Is there no conscience bestirring in the Cabinet? Is there no concept of solidarity with the working class until such time as a larger increase is possible? Is there no calling at all for deferred gratification particularly from among those who are in a better position to withstand the travails of the economy and who also have a range of benefits to cushion their existence? Shocking.

 

Awarding these increases also jars resoundingly with the policy orientation of the government. It has established a commission of inquiry to look into the public service and had promised in its manifesto that an Independent Constitutional Salaries Review Commission would be established for the periodic review of conditions for persons appointed to constitutional offices including the President, Prime Minister, judges, MPs and others. Undoubtedly, one of the tasks of this commission would have been to erase the salaries anomaly that currently exists and which has been floated as one reason for the increase. Can it be logical and sensible that in the backdrop of this expected review the government would award what would have to be a final increase for the year and the foreseeable future and not even an interim increase which could then be subject to adjustment on completion of the review? The payout to public servants would not have been expected to be detained by this review of salaries as the coalition had made a specific manifesto promise to pay a significant increase once it entered office. To the contrary, there was no promise in the APNU+AFC manifesto that the salaries of Cabinet ministers would be raised by 50%. If as President Granger says the decision was not taken lightly then surely there should been some engagement with various stakeholders and the public on the propriety and wisdom of the decision at this point. There was none. Duplicity came first in the utterances by Minister Trotman followed by the gazetting of the order which formalises the decision.

 

Far from being seized with the desire to serve the public and imbue good governance, the Cabinet will now be seen as seeking the good life for itself first without having earned its spurs. Five months in office can hardly be considered an adequate period to evaluate performance much less award a hefty increase. If the government’s thinking was that raises for 15,000 public servants could not be afforded but that increases for Cabinet as a tiny subset could be funded where will this logically take the country? Maybe specialists in the public health system can now look forward to a 50% hike next year, perhaps permanent secretaries or road engineers in the Ministry of Public Infrastructure?

 

A series of unconvincing explanations and justifications has flowed from various government officials including President Granger. They encompass that the ministers are of a certain quality, with loads of work and working hard. Who is arriving at these assessments? Are the Cabinet ministers themselves deciding how well they are doing and the size of their workloads? Where is the promised code of conduct that members of the public can begin examining their ministers on? The scale of the increases would also suggest that the more competent PPP/C ministers, some of whom had spent several years in office were being underpaid by 50%. Much has also been made of the presumed living standards of the APNU+AFC ministers before entering office and their earnings. As the Sunday Stabroek editorial of October 11, 2015 noted, the ministers were selected to serve the public and should have looked elsewhere if lucrative pay was what was sought. For the record, however, the public now has a right to know exactly how much these ministers were earning before in their varied occupations even if that is no basis for agreeing swingeing increases for them. Their returns for this year and the preceding one should be the first set received by a revived Integrity Commission for examination.

 

Yet another explanation profferred was that differentiation in salaries had to be established among ministers and also to cater for the appointment of Vice Presidents. This was just as unconvincing. Ministers aware that a structured framework was being developed for remuneration and benefits should hardly be concerned that they were all earning the same. Further, the agreement for Vice Presidents to be appointed was mere political expediency for the  Cummingsburg Accord between APNU+AFC which was so quickly violated when the coalition entered office. The appointment of Vice Presidents is a relic of ill-advised socialist experiments and a discredited Burnhamite past. It has no place in modern governance. It is but a Christmas tree decoration. Even so, the country has had Vice Presidents before. All APNU+AFC needed to do was simply mirror what the Vice President/s of the 80s were paid with cost of living adjustments. A precedent existed.

 

Hollow now rings the ferocious and unrelenting attacks by APNU and the AFC on the PPP/C and former President Jagdeo during the last two governments. The excesses of Mr Jagdeo have been well established and developed over a period of 12 years and the public wants to see an accounting for his accumulation of wealth. Yet this Cabinet has set off inauspiciously, just months in office, with a massive increase and no basis on which to judge it. Can it credibly level the charge of extravagance without it coming back like a boomerang?

 

A larger problem for the APNU+AFC government is that trust with the people has been broken. After waiting 22+ years for a change in government and having heard lofty promises of equitable and judicious governance a good number of coalition supporters will become disillusioned and less trusting of the administration. The moral high ground has begun to erode. The distance between the coalition and its predecessor is not as dizzying as it once was. No more shall its word be taken with the same level of trust as before. All of this serves to weaken the government and make it less effective in marshalling goodwill and support for larger projects such as national unity, staunching the migration of skills, attracting re migrants, economic transformation and of course making sacrifices with the future in mind. The increases will also become a lightning rod for public disaffection. The government has a long road ahead. It has already erred with appointments, board compositions and sharing of responsibilities among coalition partners. What is clear is that a line has now been drawn in the sand by the 50% salary increase. Any other transgressions of this scale will rapidly undermine its believability.

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Presidential Candidate Granger and President Granger is not the same person.

 

What has the PNC done with him?

 

I think Granger feel comfort and safety from the electors. He is using distrust among the races to keep him in power with useless policies.

S
Originally Posted by VVP:
 

Ministers’ pay rise revisited 

SN Editorial 10-19-15

Now that President Granger has spoken it appears that the APNU+AFC administration has decided there will be no turning back on the much decried salary increases for ministers which range as high as 50% for Cabinet members. What a blunder. The self-awarding of these hikes for the Cabinet ministers will remain etched in the psyche of the populace as a palpable violation of the principled behaviour which the new government had so fervently promised on the campaign trail and after entering office. The increases are also illogical when compared with the varied promises of this months-old government and the charges it had levelled at its predecessor.

 

Recognising that the state of the economy could not sustain a reduction in the Value Added Tax rate as had been promised in its manifesto, the administration sensibly backpedalled in favour of a comprehensive study on the way forward. Conscious that the economy could not support the promised substantial wage hike for public servants or at least the 20% and 10% that had been mentioned at various points, the government reversed course in favour of a much smaller package. There was hardly an outcry. Despite promises of a substantial improvement in the circumstances for pensioners, the real increase in this year’s budget was slight when the reclamation of utility subsidies was factored in. How then could the executive and its Cabinet ministers be so callous as to award a salary hike of 50%? Is there no conscience bestirring in the Cabinet? Is there no concept of solidarity with the working class until such time as a larger increase is possible? Is there no calling at all for deferred gratification particularly from among those who are in a better position to withstand the travails of the economy and who also have a range of benefits to cushion their existence? Shocking.

 

Awarding these increases also jars resoundingly with the policy orientation of the government. It has established a commission of inquiry to look into the public service and had promised in its manifesto that an Independent Constitutional Salaries Review Commission would be established for the periodic review of conditions for persons appointed to constitutional offices including the President, Prime Minister, judges, MPs and others. Undoubtedly, one of the tasks of this commission would have been to erase the salaries anomaly that currently exists and which has been floated as one reason for the increase. Can it be logical and sensible that in the backdrop of this expected review the government would award what would have to be a final increase for the year and the foreseeable future and not even an interim increase which could then be subject to adjustment on completion of the review? The payout to public servants would not have been expected to be detained by this review of salaries as the coalition had made a specific manifesto promise to pay a significant increase once it entered office. To the contrary, there was no promise in the APNU+AFC manifesto that the salaries of Cabinet ministers would be raised by 50%. If as President Granger says the decision was not taken lightly then surely there should been some engagement with various stakeholders and the public on the propriety and wisdom of the decision at this point. There was none. Duplicity came first in the utterances by Minister Trotman followed by the gazetting of the order which formalises the decision.

 

Far from being seized with the desire to serve the public and imbue good governance, the Cabinet will now be seen as seeking the good life for itself first without having earned its spurs. Five months in office can hardly be considered an adequate period to evaluate performance much less award a hefty increase. If the government’s thinking was that raises for 15,000 public servants could not be afforded but that increases for Cabinet as a tiny subset could be funded where will this logically take the country? Maybe specialists in the public health system can now look forward to a 50% hike next year, perhaps permanent secretaries or road engineers in the Ministry of Public Infrastructure?

 

A series of unconvincing explanations and justifications has flowed from various government officials including President Granger. They encompass that the ministers are of a certain quality, with loads of work and working hard. Who is arriving at these assessments? Are the Cabinet ministers themselves deciding how well they are doing and the size of their workloads? Where is the promised code of conduct that members of the public can begin examining their ministers on? The scale of the increases would also suggest that the more competent PPP/C ministers, some of whom had spent several years in office were being underpaid by 50%. Much has also been made of the presumed living standards of the APNU+AFC ministers before entering office and their earnings. As the Sunday Stabroek editorial of October 11, 2015 noted, the ministers were selected to serve the public and should have looked elsewhere if lucrative pay was what was sought. For the record, however, the public now has a right to know exactly how much these ministers were earning before in their varied occupations even if that is no basis for agreeing swingeing increases for them. Their returns for this year and the preceding one should be the first set received by a revived Integrity Commission for examination.

 

Yet another explanation profferred was that differentiation in salaries had to be established among ministers and also to cater for the appointment of Vice Presidents. This was just as unconvincing. Ministers aware that a structured framework was being developed for remuneration and benefits should hardly be concerned that they were all earning the same. Further, the agreement for Vice Presidents to be appointed was mere political expediency for the  Cummingsburg Accord between APNU+AFC which was so quickly violated when the coalition entered office. The appointment of Vice Presidents is a relic of ill-advised socialist experiments and a discredited Burnhamite past. It has no place in modern governance. It is but a Christmas tree decoration. Even so, the country has had Vice Presidents before. All APNU+AFC needed to do was simply mirror what the Vice President/s of the 80s were paid with cost of living adjustments. A precedent existed.

 

Hollow now rings the ferocious and unrelenting attacks by APNU and the AFC on the PPP/C and former President Jagdeo during the last two governments. The excesses of Mr Jagdeo have been well established and developed over a period of 12 years and the public wants to see an accounting for his accumulation of wealth. Yet this Cabinet has set off inauspiciously, just months in office, with a massive increase and no basis on which to judge it. Can it credibly level the charge of extravagance without it coming back like a boomerang?

 

A larger problem for the APNU+AFC government is that trust with the people has been broken. After waiting 22+ years for a change in government and having heard lofty promises of equitable and judicious governance a good number of coalition supporters will become disillusioned and less trusting of the administration. The moral high ground has begun to erode. The distance between the coalition and its predecessor is not as dizzying as it once was. No more shall its word be taken with the same level of trust as before. All of this serves to weaken the government and make it less effective in marshalling goodwill and support for larger projects such as national unity, staunching the migration of skills, attracting re migrants, economic transformation and of course making sacrifices with the future in mind. The increases will also become a lightning rod for public disaffection. The government has a long road ahead. It has already erred with appointments, board compositions and sharing of responsibilities among coalition partners. What is clear is that a line has now been drawn in the sand by the 50% salary increase. Any other transgressions of this scale will rapidly undermine its believability.

VVP,

Yours (and SN) title is misleading. There is no revisiting. The administration has drawn a line and it is marshaling the troops on this one. 

V
Originally Posted by VishMahabir:
Originally Posted by VVP:
.

VVP,

Yours (and SN) title is misleading. There is no revisiting. The administration has drawn a line and it is marshaling the troops on this one. 

Aren't you an SN blogger?  They did an editorial on this before; hence revisit.

FM
Originally Posted by VVP:
Originally Posted by VishMahabir:
Originally Posted by VVP:
.

VVP,

Yours (and SN) title is misleading. There is no revisiting. The administration has drawn a line and it is marshaling the troops on this one. 

Aren't you an SN blogger?  They did an editorial on this before; hence revisit.

Thanks. What I meant was SN headline is misleading...the headline implies that the coalition is reconsidering the pay increase...that is not the case. 

V

I thought that it meant that SN was revisiting the issue, since they had written editorials on the issue previously.

 

like the PPP, the PNC thinks that it owns the votes of its constituents, thus can do what ever it wants with  no repercussions from them on Election Day, that this protest is just noise.

 

The silence from most of the AFC is deafening. They sold their souls for power and greed. Now, we need a viable third force that will act with integrity and hold both parties to account and not blindly support their policies. No coalitions before elections, and supporting or opposing each measure as it comes up in parliament, service for the people instead for themselves.

Z
Originally Posted by Zed:

I thought that it meant that SN was revisiting the issue, since they had written editorials on the issue previously.

 

like the PPP, the PNC thinks that it owns the votes of its constituents, thus can do what ever it wants with  no repercussions from them on Election Day, that this protest is just noise.

 

The silence from most of the AFC is deafening. They sold their souls for power and greed. Now, we need a viable third force that will act with integrity and hold both parties to account and not blindly support their policies. No coalitions before elections, and supporting or opposing each measure as it comes up in parliament, service for the people instead for themselves.

I NEVER trusted Moses Nagamootoo and I NEVER will.  He might not be a thief (as yet), but he surely is a scamp man trying to pass himself off as a compassionate person.

 

Of course he fled Guyana when the raise was announced so things could "passover" before he returned.

 

Ramjattan quickly turning out to be a mouth-man quack.

 

Patterson trying but he ain't got the brains and experience for his portfolio.

FM
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I do not like the PPP, but they did catch Moses LYING in Video above.

 

I did not vote...if he felt so strong why didn't he vote AGAINST it.  Fing cack man.

FM
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During the election campaign, one Of Guyana's prominent lawyers told me that a new government will not result in betterment for the Guyanese people, that things will not change because these guys were not bringing in to government a strong sense of philosophy about serving the public and the public good, that they were not imbued with a strong sense of ethics and had no moral compass. He went on to indicate that all they wanted in government was to get a piece of the pie. He was correct, we see it happening now. They lied about not giving the big raise, then made up reasons to justify the unjustifiable. They are arrogant. What is so difficult with admitting a mistake.

Z
Originally Posted by Zed:

During the election campaign, one Of Guyana's prominent lawyers told me that a new government will not result in betterment for the Guyanese people, that things will not change because these guys were not bringing in to government a strong sense of philosophy about serving the public and the public good, that they were not imbued with a strong sense of ethics and had no moral compass. He went on to indicate that all they wanted in government was to get a piece of the pie. He was correct, we see it happening now. They lied about not giving the big raise, then made up reasons to justify the unjustifiable. They are arrogant. What is so difficult with admitting a mistake.

Trotman is the biggest cack man just like Moses.  Too much old people with no inclination about how the modern world works.  And the worst thing is that they think they know everything.  A set of blubbering idiots how else can you explain the pay increase?  

FM
Originally Posted by Zed:

During the election campaign, one Of Guyana's prominent lawyers told me that a new government will not result in betterment for the Guyanese people, that things will not change because these guys were not bringing in to government a strong sense of philosophy about serving the public and the public good, that they were not imbued with a strong sense of ethics and had no moral compass. He went on to indicate that all they wanted in government was to get a piece of the pie. He was correct, we see it happening now. They lied about not giving the big raise, then made up reasons to justify the unjustifiable. They are arrogant. What is so difficult with admitting a mistake.

Are you saying they're like those land flippers? Buy cheaply through govt connection and sell sky high at $G100 mill?

FM
Originally Posted by Zed:

 

like the PPP, the PNC thinks that it owns the votes of its constituents, thus can do what ever it wants with  no repercussions from them on Election Day, that this protest is just noise.

 

 

I suggest taht you speak for yourself concerning which constituency can be taken for granted.  The PPP can rape its constituents with rusty nails and they will not say a thing.  Or if they do so anything they will blame blackman.

 

PNC supporters are quite vocal when their leadership angers them, and indeed this is what we are seeing now.  The TUC, GT Mosquito, and others are quite openly critical, indeed at the point of becoming down right dismissive of APNU/AFC.  Freddie K was quite vocal about it, as was the KN Editorial.

 

Who are the AFC supporters?  To my knowledge they represent those who like neither of the major parties, and with that party now in bed with APNU, I do not know if they exist.

 

I wonder when Guyana Times at ANY POINT criticized the PPP?

 


Why will the AFC scream? Werent they part of this decision?

 

 

APNU will get a serious shock when ever they hold LGE.  I guess, like the PPP< they will find many reasons to postpone until they think that people have forgotten.

 

 

FM
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Originally Posted by TK:
Originally Posted by Zed:

During the election campaign, one Of Guyana's prominent lawyers told me that a new government will not result in betterment for the Guyanese people, that things will not change because these guys were not bringing in to government a strong sense of philosophy about serving the public and the public good, that they were not imbued with a strong sense of ethics and had no moral compass. He went on to indicate that all they wanted in government was to get a piece of the pie. He was correct, we see it happening now. They lied about not giving the big raise, then made up reasons to justify the unjustifiable. They are arrogant. What is so difficult with admitting a mistake.

Are you saying they're like those land flippers? Buy cheaply through govt connection and sell sky high at $G100 mill?


Tell you what.  The PPP had 23 years to perfect the art of theft and intimidation.

 

It will take APNU/AFC time before they reach that point.  So this is why they were voted in.

 

So quack as much as you will like but I still prefer an incompetent APNu/AFC than an incompetent and corrupt PPP.  We will see what my views will be in 2020, when APNu/AFC will have a track record.  That is if they last that long.

FM
Originally Posted by VVP:
 

 

I NEVER trusted Moses Nagamootoo and I NEVER will.  He might not be a thief (as yet), but he surely is a scamp man trying to pass himself off as a compassionate person.

 

Hey VP, Bharrat Jagdeo trusts his old comrade Moses Nagamootoo.

BJ says he will table a motion in the National Assembly on Thursday to reverse the salary increases. Never mind the PPP has 32 seats against the coalition's 33. According to Demerara Waves, "Jagdeo hopes that at least one government parliamentarian such as Prime Minister Moses Nagamootoo would vote in favour of the reversal of the increased ministerial salaries. 'We are hoping that good sense will prevail, that one of them would vote in favour. If Nagamootoo is saying he never travelled first class and he never took a salary increase then maybe he will vote with us to reverse it,' he said."

Interesting times ahead, to quote my famous Bollywood-loving GNI friend again.

FM
Originally Posted by Gilbakka:
Originally Posted by VVP:
 

 

I NEVER trusted Moses Nagamootoo and I NEVER will.  He might not be a thief (as yet), but he surely is a scamp man trying to pass himself off as a compassionate person.

 

Hey VP, Bharrat Jagdeo trusts his old comrade Moses Nagamootoo.

BJ says he will table a motion in the National Assembly on Thursday to reverse the salary increases. Never mind the PPP has 32 seats against the coalition's 33. According to Demerara Waves, "Jagdeo hopes that at least one government parliamentarian such as Prime Minister Moses Nagamootoo would vote in favour of the reversal of the increased ministerial salaries. 'We are hoping that good sense will prevail, that one of them would vote in favour. If Nagamootoo is saying he never travelled first class and he never took a salary increase then maybe he will vote with us to reverse it,' he said."

Interesting times ahead, to quote my famous Bollywood-loving GNI friend again.

Well they already gat the man on camera fighting for the regular workers increase over politicians.  OR maybe it will be time for another trip for "rest and rexlaxations" it's been WHOLE 2 weeks already since the last one 

FM
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Originally Posted by Gilbakka:
Originally Posted by VVP:
 

 

I NEVER trusted Moses Nagamootoo and I NEVER will.  He might not be a thief (as yet), but he surely is a scamp man trying to pass himself off as a compassionate person.

 

Hey VP, Bharrat Jagdeo trusts his old comrade Moses Nagamootoo.

BJ says he will table a motion in the National Assembly on Thursday to reverse the salary increases. Never mind the PPP has 32 seats against the coalition's 33. According to Demerara Waves, "Jagdeo hopes that at least one government parliamentarian such as Prime Minister Moses Nagamootoo would vote in favour of the reversal of the increased ministerial salaries. 'We are hoping that good sense will prevail, that one of them would vote in favour. If Nagamootoo is saying he never travelled first class and he never took a salary increase then maybe he will vote with us to reverse it,' he said."

Interesting times ahead, to quote my famous Bollywood-loving GNI friend again.

Interesting times indeed to see how Nagamootoo will vote.

FM
Originally Posted by Gilbakka:
Originally Posted by VVP:
 

 

I NEVER trusted Moses Nagamootoo and I NEVER will.  He might not be a thief (as yet), but he surely is a scamp man trying to pass himself off as a compassionate person.

 

Hey VP, Bharrat Jagdeo trusts his old comrade Moses Nagamootoo.

BJ says he will table a motion in the National Assembly on Thursday to reverse the salary increases. Never mind the PPP has 32 seats against the coalition's 33. According to Demerara Waves, "Jagdeo hopes that at least one government parliamentarian such as Prime Minister Moses Nagamootoo would vote in favour of the reversal of the increased ministerial salaries. 'We are hoping that good sense will prevail, that one of them would vote in favour. If Nagamootoo is saying he never travelled first class and he never took a salary increase then maybe he will vote with us to reverse it,' he said."

Interesting times ahead, to quote my famous Bollywood-loving GNI friend again.

FM
Originally Posted by TK:
Originally Posted by Zed:

During the election campaign, one Of Guyana's prominent lawyers told me that a new government will not result in betterment for the Guyanese people, that things will not change because these guys were not bringing in to government a strong sense of philosophy about serving the public and the public good, that they were not imbued with a strong sense of ethics and had no moral compass. He went on to indicate that all they wanted in government was to get a piece of the pie. He was correct, we see it happening now. They lied about not giving the big raise, then made up reasons to justify the unjustifiable. They are arrogant. What is so difficult with admitting a mistake.

Are you saying they're like those land flippers? Buy cheaply through govt connection and sell sky high at $G100 mill?

Two sides of the same coin. And, it is only 6 months since they got elected. More is yet to come.

Z
Originally Posted by Zed:

Already reports of appointment fees to meet with top officials and sons becoming contractors overnight.

when yuh get some facts that doan come from your spelunking up jagdeo's bt, u can start a whole new thread and nobady will call u antiman

FM
Originally Posted by Zed:

Already reports of appointment fees to meet with top officials and sons becoming contractors overnight.

PNC corruption has skyrocketed in less than six months. Guyana will be destroyed by the PNC Ravana's in three years.

FM
Originally Posted by yuji22:
Originally Posted by Zed:

Already reports of appointment fees to meet with top officials and sons becoming contractors overnight.

PNC corruption has skyrocketed in less than six months. Guyana will be destroyed by the PNC Ravana's in three years.

when alyuh 2 less-than-men get some facts that doan come from your spelunking up jagdeo's bt, u can start a whole new thread and nobady will call u antiman

FM
Originally Posted by Zed:

Already reports of appointment fees to meet with top officials and sons becoming contractors overnight.

Any names, Z?

Expose them here and leh we be judge and jury.

FM
Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by TK:
Originally Posted by Zed:

During the election campaign, one Of Guyana's prominent lawyers told me that a new government will not result in betterment for the Guyanese people, that things will not change because these guys were not bringing in to government a strong sense of philosophy about serving the public and the public good, that they were not imbued with a strong sense of ethics and had no moral compass. He went on to indicate that all they wanted in government was to get a piece of the pie. He was correct, we see it happening now. They lied about not giving the big raise, then made up reasons to justify the unjustifiable. They are arrogant. What is so difficult with admitting a mistake.

Are you saying they're like those land flippers? Buy cheaply through govt connection and sell sky high at $G100 mill?


Tell you what.  The PPP had 23 years to perfect the art of theft and intimidation.

 

It will take APNU/AFC time before they reach that point.  So this is why they were voted in.

 

So quack as much as you will like but I still prefer an incompetent APNu/AFC than an incompetent and corrupt PPP.  We will see what my views will be in 2020, when APNu/AFC will have a track record.  That is if they last that long.

They had lots of practice for 28 years so it will not take too long for them. It is like riding a bicycle. Pox on both their houses, I say. If  both parties are incompetent, they should go, no two ways about it. not certain I will be around to remind you in 2020. If I am around, we will have the conversation.

Z
Originally Posted by redux:
Originally Posted by Zed:

Already reports of appointment fees to meet with top officials and sons becoming contractors overnight.

when yuh get some facts that doan come from your spelunking up jagdeo's bt, u can start a whole new thread and nobady will call u antiman

I think that you are really familiar with it so you can tell those of us who are ignorant of the experience and process what it feels like. You Really think those guys are lily white. Also, for your info and something Inhave stated before, I have non association with any political party or politicIabe in Guyana. If you live in Guyana, you will know that nothing hides here.

Z
Originally Posted by Gilbakka:
Originally Posted by Zed:

Already reports of appointment fees to meet with top officials and sons becoming contractors overnight.

Any names, Z?

Expose them here and leh we be judge and jury.

Reports. When there are more to make it more concrete.

Z
Originally Posted by Zed:
Originally Posted by Gilbakka:
Originally Posted by Zed:

Already reports of appointment fees to meet with top officials and sons becoming contractors overnight.

Any names, Z?

Expose them here and leh we be judge and jury.

Reports. When there are more to make it more concrete.

suh u admit is wet shit from jagdeo bt that u mixing with sawdust . . . waiting for it to harden

FM
Originally Posted by Zed:
Originally Posted by Gilbakka:
Originally Posted by Zed:

Already reports of appointment fees to meet with top officials and sons becoming contractors overnight.

Any names, Z?

Expose them here and leh we be judge and jury.

Reports. When there are more to make it more concrete.

Looking forward to your follow-up, sir. I really wanta marsaray some ah dem alleged culprits who bringing shame to me coalition. Dem go mek de PPP crooks look like Father Christmas.

FM
Originally Posted by redux:
Originally Posted by Zed:
Originally Posted by Gilbakka:
Originally Posted by Zed:

Already reports of appointment fees to meet with top officials and sons becoming contractors overnight.

Any names, Z?

Expose them here and leh we be judge and jury.

Reports. When there are more to make it more concrete.

suh u admit is wet shit from jagdeo bt that u mixing with sawdust . . . waiting for it to harden

You are so fixated on that man. You must really be worried about him. Look, he is not that important. He is leader of the opposition but he has no credibility. Everytime he ask a question or raise an issue. It reminds everyone he was in there for 12 years.

Z
Originally Posted by Zed:
Originally Posted by redux:
Originally Posted by Zed:
Originally Posted by Gilbakka:
Originally Posted by Zed:

Already reports of appointment fees to meet with top officials and sons becoming contractors overnight.

Any names, Z?

Expose them here and leh we be judge and jury.

Reports. When there are more to make it more concrete.

suh u admit is wet shit from jagdeo bt that u mixing with sawdust . . . waiting for it to harden

You are so fixated on that man. You must really be worried about him. Look, he is not that important. He is leader of the opposition but he has no credibility. Everytime he ask a question or raise an issue. It reminds everyone he was in there for 12 years.

uh huh, indeed . . . i am "fixated" on you without clothes spelunking deep up his ass

FM
Originally Posted by Zed:

Already reports of appointment fees to meet with top officials and sons becoming contractors overnight.

So APNU/AFC are doing what the PPP did, and yet you sing praises for the PPP.

FM
Originally Posted by yuji22:
Originally Posted by Zed:

Already reports of appointment fees to meet with top officials and sons becoming contractors overnight.

PNC corruption has skyrocketed in less than six months. Guyana will be destroyed by the PNC Ravana's in three years.

This is the company who Zed, VVP and VishM keep.  Yuji. Nehru, rama and cobra.

FM
Originally Posted by Zed:
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They had lots of practice for 28 years

Please tell me about any old time PPP politician who is as rich as Jagdeo and company.

 

Note that until 2011 Jagdeo's only employment was with the government.

FM
Originally Posted by Zed:
Look, he is not that important. He is leader of the opposition

And you don't even think that a man who has 32 seats in parliament can NEVER be unimportant!

 

Are you claiming that the PPP is weak and irrelevant?

FM
Originally Posted by Zed:
Originally Posted by redux:
Originally Posted by Zed:

Already reports of appointment fees to meet with top officials and sons becoming contractors overnight.

when yuh get some facts that doan come from your spelunking up jagdeo's bt, u can start a whole new thread and nobady will call u antiman

I think that you are really familiar with it so you can tell those of us who are ignorant of the experience and process what it feels like. You Really think those guys are lily white. Also, for your info and something Inhave stated before, I have non association with any political party or politicIabe in Guyana. If you live in Guyana, you will know that nothing hides here.

so, where did i claim that those coalition guys are "lily white" or innocent, eh?

 

u 'debate' like a klown . . . no, more like a desperate little girl

FM
Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by Zed:

Already reports of appointment fees to meet with top officials and sons becoming contractors overnight.

So APNU/AFC are doing what the PPP did, and yet you sing praises for the PPP.

 Ahey Caribny, please remind me where I have sung praises for the PPP. They are two sides of the same coin.

 

Also, it is is very dry here in Guyana, no rain so I could not have been singing.

Z
Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by yuji22:
Originally Posted by Zed:

Already reports of appointment fees to meet with top officials and sons becoming contractors overnight.

PNC corruption has skyrocketed in less than six months. Guyana will be destroyed by the PNC Ravana's in three years.

This is the company who Zed, VVP and VishM keep.  Yuji. Nehru, rama and cobra.

not saying it is true, but it could have been worse. I could have been keeping company with Redux. Jagdeo, Moses, Ramjattan. Redux would have tried to pump me out as he has been doing with all his aunties, he seems to have lots of antiman. Lol

Z
Originally Posted by redux:
Originally Posted by Zed:
Originally Posted by redux:
Originally Posted by Zed:

Already reports of appointment fees to meet with top officials and sons becoming contractors overnight.

when yuh get some facts that doan come from your spelunking up jagdeo's bt, u can start a whole new thread and nobady will call u antiman

I think that you are really familiar with it so you can tell those of us who are ignorant of the experience and process what it feels like. You Really think those guys are lily white. Also, for your info and something Inhave stated before, I have non association with any political party or politicIabe in Guyana. If you live in Guyana, you will know that nothing hides here.

so, where did i claim that those coalition guys are "lily white" or innocent, eh?

 

u 'debate' like a klown . . . no, more like a desperate little girl

Must have some levity when interacting with funny people. there is a difference  between "Think ...." And "Claim...."

Z

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