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Applications by regional airlines for additional Guyana flights challenged by US carriers
Published on August 8, 2013 
By Ray Chickrie Caribbean News Now contributor

WASHINGTON, USA -- Airlines for America (A4A), an advocate group that claims to represent major US scheduled passenger and cargo airlines, on July 31 urged the US Department of Transportation (DOT) to oppose the July 16, 2013, application of Fly Jamaica Airways and the July 18, 2013, application of Caribbean Airlines Limited (CAL) for “an exemption from 49 USC/40301 (7th Freedom) to operate scheduled service between New York-John F. Kennedy International Airport and Georgetown, Guyana.”

Members of A4A include Delta Airlines, US Airways, American Airlines, Jet Blue and United, among others. Delta Airlines recently pulled out of Guyana and could very well be behind this move to block additional flights by Fly Jamaica and CAL to Guyana from New York.
JetBlue, according to the government of Guyana, is also interesting in flying to Guyana.
Delta abruptly pulled of out Guyana in May, leaving CAL to dominate the skies over Guyana. CAL flies an average of five flights daily in and out of Guyana and has faced hurdles to add additional flights out of JFK to Guyana. This led to the government of Guyana granting CAL flag carrier status to get around US DOT hurdles.
A4A said, “Both of these applications raise serious and troubling issues for consumers, A4A members and their employees.”

The group also stated, “This is not beneficial to US consumers. The Department, instead of granting extra-bilateral exemptions for 7th Freedom operators, should focus on righting the commercial aviation business climate in the region.”
Excessive taxes and fees were also cited for discouraging passengers from flying to certain markets in the region.
The group squarely blamed Caribbean Airlines’ fuel subsidy for “forcing the cancellation of US flag service to certain markets” and cited JFK-Georgetown, Guyana, as an example.

“Member airlines have reported significant impact from Caribbean Air’s seven freedom operations and from alleged fuel subsidies from Trinidad and Tobago received by Caribbean Air, which makes it extremely challenging for US carriers to compete,” A4A told the US Department of Transportation.
The US airline advocacy group urged the DOT not to grant CAL and Fly Jamaica “such extra-bilateral authority” because “is not the right instrument to invigorate the market,” the group claimed.

“The overall business climate needs to be improved. In its current state, competition is suffering,” A4A added.
This development now adds credence to what inside sources in Georgetown are saying, namely, that “The United States is giving Fly Jamaica a hard time. They are also going after CAL.”
 
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The AFC dogs were claiming that Delta pulled out due to drugs being smuggled on their planes. Now we see the airlines claiming that it was the unfair competition from CAL via fuel subsidies that are driving them out. But delta's prices were not cheap. They still are able to charge cheaper to California than Guyana and its almost the same distance.

FM
Originally Posted by BGurd_See:

The AFC dogs were claiming that Delta pulled out due to drugs being smuggled on their planes. Now we see the airlines claiming that it was the unfair competition from CAL via fuel subsidies that are driving them out. But delta's prices were not cheap. They still are able to charge cheaper to California than Guyana and its almost the same distance.

dude..you need help

FM
Originally Posted by raymond:
Originally Posted by BGurd_See:

The AFC dogs were claiming that Delta pulled out due to drugs being smuggled on their planes. Now we see the airlines claiming that it was the unfair competition from CAL via fuel subsidies that are driving them out. But delta's prices were not cheap. They still are able to charge cheaper to California than Guyana and its almost the same distance.

dude..you need help

too late 

FM
Originally Posted by raymond:
Originally Posted by BGurd_See:

The AFC dogs were claiming that Delta pulled out due to drugs being smuggled on their planes. Now we see the airlines claiming that it was the unfair competition from CAL via fuel subsidies that are driving them out. But delta's prices were not cheap. They still are able to charge cheaper to California than Guyana and its almost the same distance.

dude..you need help

The comment does have some merit as all I heard was Delta pulled out due to drug fines.  I did not see this referenced in their report.

 

If the reasons Delta is giving are valid, then they do have point.  However, one would then ask why oppose a Jamaican carrier as clearly they do not enjoy the same subsidy.  Delta failed to garner the ridership even at CAL's pricing which was the main reason for their failure.

FM
Originally Posted by baseman:
Originally Posted by raymond:
Originally Posted by BGurd_See:

The AFC dogs were claiming that Delta pulled out due to drugs being smuggled on their planes. Now we see the airlines claiming that it was the unfair competition from CAL via fuel subsidies that are driving them out. But delta's prices were not cheap. They still are able to charge cheaper to California than Guyana and its almost the same distance.

dude..you need help

The comment does have some merit as all I heard was Delta pulled out due to drug fines.  I did not see this referenced in their report.

 

If the reasons Delta is giving are valid, then they do have point.  However, one would then ask why oppose a Jamaican carrier as clearly they do not enjoy the same subsidy.  Delta failed to garner the ridership even at CAL's pricing which was the main reason for their failure.

 

And you still believe they should build the new terminal that would be financed by the Chinese?

FM
Originally Posted by JB:
Originally Posted by baseman:
Originally Posted by raymond:
Originally Posted by BGurd_See:

The AFC dogs were claiming that Delta pulled out due to drugs being smuggled on their planes. Now we see the airlines claiming that it was the unfair competition from CAL via fuel subsidies that are driving them out. But delta's prices were not cheap. They still are able to charge cheaper to California than Guyana and its almost the same distance.

dude..you need help

The comment does have some merit as all I heard was Delta pulled out due to drug fines.  I did not see this referenced in their report.

 

If the reasons Delta is giving are valid, then they do have point.  However, one would then ask why oppose a Jamaican carrier as clearly they do not enjoy the same subsidy.  Delta failed to garner the ridership even at CAL's pricing which was the main reason for their failure.

 

And you still believe they should build the new terminal that would be financed by the Chinese?

What does that have to do with Delta's issues?

FM
Originally Posted by Vish M:

Very Interesting 

Vishnu American Airlines, United and Westjet fly to Trinidad.  How come the fuel subsidy affects Guyana and not POS?

Had your little fly by night airline called EZjet not destroyed profitablility last year it is possible that DL might still be around.  The problem with Guyana is when irresponsible airlines jump in, dilute yields, then run out of cash.  DL lost money las year on the JFK GEO route.

FM
Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by Vish M:

Very Interesting 

Vishnu American Airlines, United and Westjet fly to Trinidad.  How come the fuel subsidy affects Guyana and not POS?

Had your little fly by night airline called EZjet not destroyed profitablility last year it is possible that DL might still be around.  The problem with Guyana is when irresponsible airlines jump in, dilute yields, then run out of cash.  DL lost money las year on the JFK GEO route.


Stop the lying, there is no evidence that Delta lost money on the GEO route. Show us the evidence.

FM
Originally Posted by BGurd_See:

The AFC dogs were claiming that Delta pulled out due to drugs being smuggled on their planes. Now we see the airlines claiming that it was the unfair competition from CAL via fuel subsidies that are driving them out. But delta's prices were not cheap. They still are able to charge cheaper to California than Guyana and its almost the same distance.

Druggie American, United, Westjet and British Airways all fly to POS.  If the CAL fuel subsidy was the real issue then only CAL would fly to POS.

 

Guyana's problem is expensive jet fuel (I will be interested in finding out why its more expensive than it is in Bdos or Antigua) and drugg trafficking.  Unlike other Caribbean airports Guyana is so corrupt that even senior personnel are involved and there are too many instances of drugs loaded in Guyana being caught in Tdad.   If the guard dog who is supposed to protect the sheep from the wolves decides to join the wolves then what do you expect?

FM
Originally Posted by BGurd_See:
Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by Vish M:

Very Interesting 

Vishnu American Airlines, United and Westjet fly to Trinidad.  How come the fuel subsidy affects Guyana and not POS?

Had your little fly by night airline called EZjet not destroyed profitablility last year it is possible that DL might still be around.  The problem with Guyana is when irresponsible airlines jump in, dilute yields, then run out of cash.  DL lost money las year on the JFK GEO route.


Stop the lying, there is no evidence that Delta lost money on the GEO route. Show us the evidence.

Everybody lost money on the JFK GEO route when Vishnu's airline was flying.  The difference is that GEO is very important to CAL. So they swallowed those losses in 2012 and are now charging both Trinis and Guyanese on the JFK route.

 

 GEO does not matter to Delta which immediately, either retired the ageing plane that it used (and using the replacement elsewhere), or diverted it to another route which they see as more profitable.

 

If GEO was very profitable DL would still be flying there.

FM
Originally Posted by caribny:
 

Everybody lost money on the JFK GEO route when Vishnu's airline was flying.  The difference is that GEO is very important to CAL. So they swallowed those losses in 2012 and are now charging both Trinis and Guyanese on the JFK route.

 

 GEO does not matter to Delta which immediately, either retired the ageing plane that it used (and using the replacement elsewhere), or diverted it to another route which they see as more profitable.

 

If GEO was very profitable DL would still be flying there.

Where is the evidence of your claim? Even delta did not say this. Lying is your forte.

FM
Originally Posted by BGurd_See:
 

Where is the evidence of your claim? Even delta did not say this. Lying is your forte.

So you are telling me that an airline will stop flying a route which they feel is profitable? 

http://www.kaieteurnewsonline....-flies-out-tomorrow/

 

I suggest you talk to DL about why they left.  Their excuse that they tell the public is lack of profitability.

 

When Vishnu's airline Ezjet charged $400 last year every airline lost money.  CAL lost almost $10 million according to reports.

 

This is what happens when the PPP allows airlines run by amateurs to fly to GEO.  They do not price properly and so reduce the overall profitability of GEO, regardless as to how full the planes might have been.

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Cal had no choice but to accept this....and now they are busy recouping those losses with their very high fares to POS and GEO from JFK.   DL just left as GEO means nothing to a global air carrier like them.

FM
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Originally Posted by caribny:
 

So you are telling me that an airline will stop flying a route which they feel is profitable? 

http://www.kaieteurnewsonline....-flies-out-tomorrow/

 

I suggest you talk to DL about why they left.  Their excuse that they tell the public is lack of profitability.

 

When Vishnu's airline Ezjet charged $400 last year every airline lost money.  CAL lost almost $10 million according to reports.

 

This is what happens when the PPP allows airlines run by amateurs to fly to GEO.  They do not price properly and so reduce the overall profitability of GEO, regardless as to how full the planes might have been.

.

 

Cal had no choice but to accept this....and now they are busy recouping those losses with their very high fares to POS and GEO from JFK.   DL just left as GEO means nothing to a global air carrier like them.

You lying piece of turd, your link did not state that Delta was losing money. Even if it did, it is the dirt rag Kaiteur with zero credibility. Show us the evidence or shut up. Why don't you admit that Delta will only break into a market if they feel there is an opportunity to hold the market at ransom as Caribbean Airline is doing. Delta's profit was not what they expected for exploiting the weakness in the 3rd world. 

FM
Originally Posted by BGurd_See:

Cocaine like he like bai young and soft. His family in narc pass de drugs through when the plane land in ny. 

 

Slimy Arsewipe Goads, as you write,my people you speak so highly of, they read your writings, I've made them a promise to say nothing of their remarks.

cain
Originally Posted by BGurd_See:
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You lying piece of turd, your link did not state that Delta was losing money. Even if it did, it is the dirt rag Kaiteur with zero credibility. Show us the evidence or shut up. Why don't you admit that Delta will only break into a market if they feel there is an opportunity to hold the market at ransom as Caribbean Airline is doing. Delta's profit was not what they expected for exploiting the weakness in the 3rd world. 


Why do you not explain what the article stated was Delta's reason for ceasing service to GEO?  Come on reveal the fact that you are illiterate inaddition to being innumerate.

 

 

DL competes into Mobay from JFK with United, Jetblue and CAL.  And for those who are willing to switch planes, which some do, with American Air and US Air.

 

Whatsup with GEO when they only have one competitor?  Why is your PPP unable to bring in credibe airlines when they boast about how Guyana has the most "successful" growth in tourism in the Caribbean...of course not mentioning that this is almost exclusively Guyanese going down to b uild homes as they now realize that social security cannot support them in the USA.

 

FM

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