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The Leader of APNU `tossed aside’ the racial question

Posted By Staff Writer On June 11, 2014 @ 5:01 am In Daily,Features | 

 

The Leader of the PNC and Opposition in the National Assembly, Brigadier David Granger, spent time during Guyana’s last independence anniversary meeting essentially PPP supporters in the largely Indo-Guyanese enclave in Queens, New York. It appears that both the PNC’s North American chapter and Mr. Mike Persaud deserve some credit for facilitating Mr. Granger’s opportunity to share something of his aspirations and policies to what was considered an almost closed PPP stronghold.

During his meeting, Mr. Granger dealt with a wide range of issues that are usually of concern to PPP constituencies which the PPP has spent decades tweaking in its favour. In my opinion, given the cauldron into which Guyanese politics has settled since the 2011 elections, this was an ideal opportunity for Mr. Granger to communicate a brand of politics that would have excited, captured the imagination and projected his party as a surefooted alternative to the regime we have today.

 

But unfortunately this was not to be. Instead, Mr. Granger made some rather odd assertions that require our attention if only because they appear to run counter to what many of us, including many of those who listened to him, believe is taking place in Guyana. Of course, there is nothing wrong with this – on the contrary new thinking backed by substantial evidence should be encouraged. But some of the more important of Mr. Granger’s points were not backed up by any evidence at all.

future notesI base my comments on four reports (in the form of letters to the press) of Mr. Granger’s contributions at various meetings. This and next week, I will consider issues relating to the opposition leader’s understanding of racism in Guyana, inclusive governance, the need for peaceful non-violent protest and the question of the PNC apologizing for its past.

 

I begin with what I consider the most important departure from my understanding of what is taking place in Guyana: Mr. Granger’s understanding of race and politics in our society. Most of us believe that racial voting has been the hallmark of political relations in Guyana and that as a consequence special strategies and arrangements need to be encouraged to facilitate our living together productively.

 

However, if the various reports are anything to go by, “Mr. Granger appeared to circumvent the idea that race plays any part in the thinking of voting Guyanese. We did not hear Mr. Granger admit that fact … In fact; he took pains to deny that race is any factor. And, if there is no racial voting, then no need to talk about a solution. He referred to his own multi-cultural, multi-racial family and to the people he knew as “mixed. … The racial question was tossed aside” (“Granger disappointed on the question of an apology for PNC excesses:” SN: 03/06/2014).

 

In a real sense Guyana was founded in racism which the indentured system only complicated. So much so that writing in 1931, ARF Webber, commenting on the racial confrontation between Africans and Portuguese in 1847, made the observation that this was a straw that was “showing which way the wind was blowing.” (“Centenary History and Handbook of British Guyana,” Argosy Company Ltd). Since then there have been many studies and commissions; some of which have designated us a plural society while others have stated that we fall into the category of hopelessly ungovernable bi-communal societies.

Thus, in “Bicommunal Systems: Guyana, Malaysia, Fiji” R. S. Milne explained that “bicommunalism is particularly conducive to stark confrontation between the groups. With bicommunalism, inter-group relations are quite likely to be seen in “zero-sum” terms, thereby creating a high potential for conflict, violence, and even “disintegration.” The evidence discussed here comes from three countries during the mid-1980s: Guyana, Malaysia, and Fiji. In each one … that duality (bicommunalism) entails either hegemony or a “precarious balance”‘ has been resolved in favor of hegemony” (Journal of Federalism, Spring, 1988)

 

Three years ago, in “Toward Ethnic Conflict Transformation: A Case Study of Citizen Peace building Initiatives on the 2006 Guyana Elections,” Roxanne Myers and Jason Calder claimed that “Ethnicity is the prime marker of political affiliation and membership in Guyana, and thus identity becomes personally and socially significant to East Indian and African Guyanese who participate in the maintenance, escalation, or transformation of ethnic competition and conflict.”

Every general election over the last sixty years has demonstrated clear racial preferences. Who does Mr. Granger believe voted for him and why did most of them do so? It is no wonder then that on this point, which is the crux of our political condition, his audience did not take Mr. Granger’s position seriously.

 

Indeed, Mr. Mike Persaud found occasion to proffer some advice. “Mr. Granger and the PNC have got to face squarely the racial and political arithmetic of Guyana: Africans at 30 per cent, Indians at 44 per cent of the electorate, and the fact that the majority vote race. … You need an electoral strategy to make your candidate and party appealing to your target constituency” (“Granger disappointed on the question of an apology for PNC excesses:” SN: 03/06/2014).

 

Even a supporter of Mr. Granger and APNU, Dr. Tarron Khemraj, had this advice for the PNC organisers of one of the New York meetings: “I am certain the PNC will think more about how it positions its head table in terms of gender and racial balance” (“A few things were learnt from the opposition leader at Mike Persaud’s home:” SN: 05/06/2014). Of course, since the ethnic question has lost so much of its political importance that it could be “tossed aside”, at best, Dr. Khemraj observation is simple a nicety that can be similarly abandoned!

If racism has lost much of its force, one is left to wonder what the Brigadier meant and what reasoning propelled him to tell his audience that he “believed in inclusionary democracy in which all parties and groups were involved in the decision-making process and governance…” (“Granger seeks a government of national unity:” SN: 27/05/2014).

 

It goes without saying that given the secondhand and partial reporting, it is quite possible that I am misinterpreting Mr. Granger on this most important point. I would be extremely relieved to hear that this is the case and to be given a more comprehensive and correct interpretation.

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BANG on target DOC.

 

"this was an ideal opportunity for Mr. Granger to communicate a brand of politics that would have excited, captured the imagination and projected his party as a surefooted alternative to the regime we have today."

 

HE FAILED.

FM
Originally Posted by KishanB:

BANG on target DOC.

 

"this was an ideal opportunity for Mr. Granger to communicate a brand of politics that would have excited, captured the imagination and projected his party as a surefooted alternative to the regime we have today."

 

HE FAILED.

 

And you success in? 

FM

Clear exposure he has much to learn in politrix.  They cannot wash away that 40 percent who are East indians unless they want to turn Guyana into Rwanda.

 

"Indeed, Mr. Mike Persaud found occasion to proffer some advice. “Mr. Granger and the PNC have got to face squarely the racial and political arithmetic of Guyana: Africans at 30 per cent, Indians at 44 per cent of the electorate, and the fact that the majority vote race. … You need an electoral strategy to make your candidate and party appealing to your target constituency” (“Granger disappointed on the question of an apology for PNC excesses:” SN: 03/06/2014)."

FM
Originally Posted by JB:
Originally Posted by KishanB:

BANG on target DOC.

 

"this was an ideal opportunity for Mr. Granger to communicate a brand of politics that would have excited, captured the imagination and projected his party as a surefooted alternative to the regime we have today."

 

HE FAILED.

 

And you success in? 

I am not running for anything, Granja is and he is an absolute failure as a politician.

 

 

DECENT MAN, but failed politician.

FM
Originally Posted by KishanB:
Originally Posted by JB:
Originally Posted by KishanB:

BANG on target DOC.

 

"this was an ideal opportunity for Mr. Granger to communicate a brand of politics that would have excited, captured the imagination and projected his party as a surefooted alternative to the regime we have today."

 

HE FAILED.

 

And you success in? 

I am not running for anything, Granja is and he is an absolute failure as a politician.

 

 

DECENT MAN, but failed politician.

So success politician = scamp man and flour seller? 

FM

Loser must not be bitter.

 

The APNU/PNC should lick its wounds and go back to the drawing baord and understand why the PNC loses elections in Guyana.

 

Drafting in a few East Indians like TK will never give them victory since TK is no Nagamootoo, he is a stranger to the pains of the working poor.

 

Plus there is a GRAVE distructs of the PNC by the East indians, young and old.

 

That message in 2011 from the PPP that young East Indian girls were raped at National Service HIT HOME.

 

Plus the PPP was peddling that some hanuman girl was raped at Congress Place as she delivered a document for her father.

 

TODAY that girl is in a mental asylum in Trinidad since she cannot free herself of what happen at Congress Place.

 

 

So cuss TK and all your avatars, you are on the TITANIC with Granja.  

FM

Read DOC upstairs. TK begging for place on Granja Head table but I was there and Granbja did not even recognise him.  Granja recognised Mike and Malcolm.

 

Even a novice like Granja knows a political opportunist.

FM
Originally Posted by KishanB:

Loser must not be bitter.

 

The APNU/PNC should lick its wounds and go back to the drawing baord and understand why the PNC loses elections in Guyana.

 

Drafting in a few East Indians like TK will never give them victory since TK is no Nagamootoo, he is a stranger to the pains of the working poor.

 

Plus there is a GRAVE distructs of the PNC by the East indians, young and old.

 

That message in 2011 from the PPP that young East Indian girls were raped at National Service HIT HOME.

 

Plus the PPP was peddling that some hanuman girl was raped at Congress Place as she delivered a document for her father.

 

TODAY that girl is in a mental asylum in Trinidad since she cannot free herself of what happen at Congress Place.

 

 

So cuss TK and all your avatars, you are on the TITANIC with Granja.  

 

And your point is? Since when TK is JB? Cause you say so? 

FM
Originally Posted by KishanB:

BANG on target DOC.

 

"this was an ideal opportunity for Mr. Granger to communicate a brand of politics that would have excited, captured the imagination and projected his party as a surefooted alternative to the regime we have today."

 

HE FAILED.

Indeed he failed and will continue to fail no less than the PPP will continue to fail because of who we are and the way our political agencies are architectures. Granger and the PPP cartel are vestigial remnants of a bygone era whose thinking modalities does not anticipate a complete abandoning of our current Constitution for one that meets the needs of our people.

 

I am hopeful that Theron can influence the thinking over there to facilitate new trajectories for thought. Hinds is already there and like Theron he has written extensively as to why we need a different governing structures. Unfortunately, there are no such seminal minds in the PPP. Misir who used to facilitate forums in NY to address these kinds of changes has been completely submerged into the insipidity of autocratic race based culture of the PPP. Change will not come from there camp.

 

Ramotar or Iffart or Anil or the AG are not change agents. They are concertized ideologues of democratic centralism that demands conformity to  the PPP corporate mind. They can never be forward looking thinkers.

FM
Originally Posted by KishanB:

YES DOC

 

“Mr. Granger appeared to circumvent the idea that race plays any part in the thinking of voting Guyanese."

 

GRanja HEAD IN THE SAND

Is it?  If he said that most of the votes that he gets come from Africans and mixed voters who are frustrated with racism from Indian elites you would have called him a racist. 

 

Id he focused only on Indian angst then he would have alienated his own base.

 

So he does what politicians in Guyana ALWAYS do, and that included your hero Cheddi Jagan, and is to pretend that race and ethnic insecurity aren't factors in Guyanese life.

FM
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Originally Posted by Stormborn:
Originally Posted by KishanB:

BANG on target DOC.

 

"this was an ideal opportunity for Mr. Granger to communicate a brand of politics that would have excited, captured the imagination and projected his party as a surefooted alternative to the regime we have today."

 

HE FAILED.

Indeed he failed and will continue to fail no less than the PPP will continue to fail because of who we are and the way our political agencies are architectures. Granger and the PPP cartel are vestigial remnants of a bygone era whose thinking modalities does not anticipate a complete abandoning of our current Constitution for one that meets the needs of our people.

 

I am hopeful that Theron can influence the thinking over there to facilitate new trajectories for thought. Hinds is already there and like Theron he has written extensively as to why we need a different governing structures. Unfortunately, there are no such seminal minds in the PPP. Misir who used to facilitate forums in NY to address these kinds of changes has been completely submerged into the insipidity of autocratic race based culture of the PPP. Change will not come from there camp.

 

Ramotar or Iffart or Anil or the AG are not change agents. They are concertized ideologues of democratic centralism that demands conformity to  the PPP corporate mind. They can never be forward looking thinkers.

Mr Granger need to say more about his vision and plan. Mr TK say he heard him gve a 5 point plan at Mr Mike Persaud house. 

FM
Originally Posted by HM_Redux:

Granger did ok, but he lacks charisma and the ability to inspire.

 

Granger most times seems like he is in straight jacket provided to him by Corbin and Jagdeo.

Mr HM_Redux you attend Mr Granger meeting in Queens? 

FM

There is no real racism among Guyanese-if u compare it the Southern United States. People vote for their respective races without any real hatred for one another-they doan even cast their ballots for confrontational politics. They just vote for their own. That continues to be case because it suits the uneducated political minds that thrust themselves into the political parties that exist in Guyana. And the comrade leaders like opportunists they can control.

 

The citizens have never been tested on the question of policies that will make a difference in their lives. So they have to settle for the party that has more of their kind in it. And so far no party has ever addressed the voting public on relevant issues and policies. The PPP has openly warned the indoes about how they should cast their votes. The PNC has been quiet on that-not a peep or rebuttal, knowing full well that every pronouncements of the PPP guarantees the votes for them(PNC) from their base supporters.   

 

The country is ripe for the pickings. It has to be that person who can speak intelligently.

 

Such a man is avialable somewhere in Guyana.

 

Caribj comments was properly put and was an important point he noted.

 

If Granger is the man, then he has to enlist the correct batch of indoes who can guide with insights pertaining to the indoe votes. Doan just choose every indian that comes his way, but the talented who has the ability to close the great distrust not racism..

 

My personal view is, so far Hoyte was the only person that sought the interset of the indoe mind. Cheddie was always sympathetic to Afroes. He knew of their pains from written works he read, but he had no real solution for Guyana's voting dilemma.    

S
Originally Posted by seignet:

There is no real racism among Guyanese-if u compare it the Southern United States. People vote for their respective races without any real hatred for one another-they doan even cast their ballots for confrontational politics. They just vote for their own. That continues to be case because it suits the uneducated political minds that thrust themselves into the political parties that exist in Guyana. And the comrade leaders like opportunists they can control.

 

The citizens have never been tested on the question of policies that will make a difference in their lives. So they have to settle for the party that has more of their kind in it. And so far no party has ever addressed the voting public on relevant issues and policies. The PPP has openly warned the indoes about how they should cast their votes. The PNC has been quiet on that-not a peep or rebuttal, knowing full well that every pronouncements of the PPP guarantees the votes for them(PNC) from their base supporters.   

 

The country is ripe for the pickings. It has to be that person who can speak intelligently.

 

Such a man is avialable somewhere in Guyana.

 

Caribj comments was properly put and was an important point he noted.

 

If Granger is the man, then he has to enlist the correct batch of indoes who can guide with insights pertaining to the indoe votes. Doan just choose every indian that comes his way, but the talented who has the ability to close the great distrust not racism..

 

My personal view is, so far Hoyte was the only person that sought the interset of the indoe mind. Cheddie was always sympathetic to Afroes. He knew of their pains from written works he read, but he had no real solution for Guyana's voting dilemma.    

Well said Sir.

FM

Even the Indians with insight who Granger are courting will confront him with he PNC legacy imagery. So that courting process would start in a deep hole. The horrors of this PPP, the Indian Elitism practices by this oligarch class that Caribny sees as Indian racism could not even begin to fill that hole.

 

To lure some of that 44% away it has to come not from the old PNC but the new PNC. How does one separate from the other? Aha that's the question that has occupied this Board recently - to apologize or not; to put forward fresh plans that's inclusive; to embrace the other ethnicity? You tell me. As stated above the Guyanese electorate does not see policy difference, it sees a racial insecurity difference with one another.

Kari

First Granger has to make a deal with Congress Place. He should prepare from now if he is serious about seeking the indoe votes. If he doesn't, he falls into the same trap as Cheddie Jagan-rewarding party stalwarts key positions who were poorly trained for their respective jobs and portfolioes. That was the recipe for the rampant corruption that followed. Many would want to believe that under Cheddie's watch there was no thiefing. But there was-considered in some circles as a payment for the years they were denied and the punishment they faced. Had there been no previous corruption it would have been difficult for those who came later to steal so easily.

 

Granger therefore, should do what several notable Guyanese had suggested to Cheddie. Give those ill trained stalwarts Foreign Postings paid in American Dollars in far away countries and free himself of potentials of poor governance. Did he pay heed? No. That was CBJ bull headedness where  mediorcity was concerned. That man loved fools. In 1992, the country was full of hope. Going to meeting to meet someone who had no idea what a conversation was all about. Not even sratch pad to make notes.

 

Granger has to prepare the Old PNC for the New PNC.

 

I would still prefer to c a new group formed with no baggages.

S
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