Hear Mr Jagdeo was bossing Mr Ramotar last week at State House. True? 

For the PPP to move forward, Rammo must put his own stamp on His Presidency. Until then, he will be seen as living in the shadow of a former President.

Another smart move is to sit down with the PNC and chart a new course for Guyana for the next couple of years. The PPP and PNC will slowly become dinosaurs if they depend on the traditional political model.

Blacks feel alienated and the mixed race is growing at a very fast pace. Time for the PPP to understand that we must have a new Guyana for all Guyanese. The opposition must also put national interest ahead of petty politics.

Time to move our beloved Guyana forward. Time for change.

Will never happen.

Why are you so pessimistic ?

Mr Jagdeo will never allow Mr Ramotar to do what is best.

This has nothing to do with Jagdeo and Ramotar. This has inflated egos written all over it; both from Granja and Ramotar.

Funny, when I say the same thing, you, cobra, kari,chief,conscience,nehru,rev.skeldonman and others call me a racist.

Any way thanks for admitting that you know blacks feel alienated.  Next you need to figure out why.

Also if you do the mathematics, large sections of the mixed population also feel alienated. And what makes it more complicated for the PPP is that most mixed people in Guyana are part black, and are deeply rooted into the Afro Guyanese community.  Indeed they account for at least 20-25% of the votes that APNU gets, and a large % of AFCs Region 4 vote as well.

No problem.

Now, let the PNC apologize for their past misdeeds during the Burnham and Hoyte era and Guyana can begin the healing process.

An apology has nothing to with race but a past PNC dictatorship era. Take off your political hat for a moment and you will begin to understand how many fair minded Guyanese are willing to see their Country move forward.

Why do I even bother with you. All of Guyana except a 5% Oligarch group feels alienated. Race is NOT the stupid issue. The issue is one of the PNC brand. What does it meant to the disaffected 95%? To 42% or so that vote for it - no problem with the brand, what ever the motivation: racist towards Indians or fear of a racist PPP - we don't care. It's not race. Okay now for the other 95% - 42% = 53%. How to get them to NOT LIKE THE PPP? They love the PPP because (and let me cut and paste the same thing above why people like the PNC) - no problem with the brand, what ever the motivation: racist towards Blacks or fear of a racist PNC (notice the inversion) - we don't care.

It's the Brand - not the PP brand, but the PNC brand. Why do we address the PNC brand? Because we care. Why we do not address the PPP brand? Because they are the devil incarnate. Now CaribJ what in the world about this logic you can't get in your dumbass brain. Who cares about the PPP, as long as they are gone, vamoose, arriverderci!!!! Eh?! The PNC needs to clean up its act to this 53%. How? That's the burning question.

Well put Yugeeeeee

Kari

If all of us put our heads together Guyana can have a better future. 

MR HOYTE JAIL HOI HOOLIGANS. PPP FREE THEM. WHO MUST APOLOGISE?

All apology must come out in a TRUTH COMMIOSSON. 

one minute you make sense the next you back to your stupidity 

Fair enough.

who will apologise for the ppp misdeed in the past and the present what will the ppp tell the future generation about pradoville and some of the ppp cronies wealth 

We hear today that the type of people who were responsible for the PNC's sordid reputation are now with the PPP, and you think that ONLY the PNC needs to apologize.

The PPP has lots of blood on its hands and indeed work with the WORST of what the Burnham era represented.

These two parties are both united in blood and either BOTH apologize or neither do.  There is no reason for the abuse of the PNC to be codified, and not also that of the PPP.

The PPP=PNC so why one must apologize, to get Indians votes, and not the PPP, so that they are less feared by blacks?

If we are to get away from racial paranoia then BOTH parties will need to convince the population that they shouldn't be viewed through a racial prism.

Without our ethnic insecurities continue and people remain paranoid.

Look at the toxic brew.  Indians feas the return of the PNC and also feel that the PPP panders too much to black people.

Black people fear the PPP, and remain suspect that their elite leaders will grovel to the PPP, and sell them out, all for a bowl of PPP soup.

And then you seriously tell me that there isn't a racial factor in this!!!

Kari it has come to this.  You now agree with yuji. 

"Guyanese", meaning Indians of course, because you can furnish no proof that the black/mixed bloc want an apology from the PNC, and then you insist it isn't race? 

Did the WPA insist on an apology from the PNC before joining them as part of APNU?

Well if it isn't race then why should this be done to woo Indian voters....YOUR WORDS?

The irony being of course that the HOI thugs were freed by the PPP, after Hoyte arrested them, and now are well installed in Freedom House.

Are you suggesting that Indians are so stupid that the very people responsible for harassing them are now with the PPP, and they think that only the PNC is culpable?

THE PPP HAS NOW TRANSFORMED ITSELF INTO THE HAMMIE GREEN (CIRCA 1992) WING OF THE PNC!!!

Somewhere along the way, a few sub par individuals convinced you that you are a brilliant fellow. They seeded your delusion.

The PNC and the PPP  haves a brand problem and and it is hinged on their dependencies on race based voting blocks. This is not about one or the other but both collectively. Add to that the fact both have legacies of corrupt practices and you have to ask what makes one the better of the two? If you will have to invest in former crooks over a present kleptocracy what is your point? If a 39 year past regime has a brand problem why would the presiding kleptocrats not have a brand problem as well? Further why would they not have to apologize as well?

Indian fear does not trump African fear. It is a strange concern that you have that you continue to harp for an apology from the PNC when you know, or should know, it will not appease Indians. Tactically, it is a stupid thing for the PNC to apologize for thirty old faults when the existing government is exceeding them on all metrics of corruption and despotism.

Again, you need to be guarded when you begin to measure brain size. Yours obviously is functioning sub par with this inane cry for the PNC to apologize and insisting you are concerned with their brand.

Imaging you cheering Yugi along when his call for an apology is exactly why the PNC should not. He follows the prevailing indo mythology that the PNC tried to exterminate Indians; that during their rule there was habitual rapes of Indian women because the PNC had a project of duglarization.

Per this myth the PPP restored democracy when in reality they sat on their collective asses as a black middle class revolted and turned the regime on its head. Now what are the PNC apologizing for again?

Tangled up in weeds are you.

First let me correct you.  The PPP isn't 53%.  They got 48%.  Some through their ability to buy votes.  The AFC got 10%.  I don't know how firm this is as up to now they have been used as a vessel for protest votes,

The Indian vote is about 45% and not all are guaranteed to the PPP, regardless as to what the PNC does.  That is once they don't fall into a trap of being connected to pre-election violence.

YOU SAID THAT THE PNC SHOULD APOLOGIZE TO GET INDIAN SUPPORT!

Now why did you specify Indian support?  Arent Indians a race?

Now why should the PNC appeal to a specific race by apologizing if it isn't about race?

Kari Indians aren't a monolithic group as you well know, and yet you group them by race.  So how isn't it about race?  You have grouped a bunch of people who are culturally, ideological, and socially quite different using ONE criteria. RACE.

So why isn't it about race?

Especially when 40% of the disaffected don't want an apology, unless it is from the PPP. 

Your initial premise was RACE.  But now you have gotten responses from many people that your logic is flawed, now you have decided that it isn't about race.

Tell you what Kari.

1.  The 95% Indians who are disillusioned are dismayed by a sense of BETRAYAL by the PPP.  12 years ago when I began to post most of the posters here, INCLUDING YOU, were quite happy with the PPP.  Many now feel disappointed and betrayed.  Conflicted because most will STILL vote PPP.

2.  Black people are alienated because they feel excluded, and they will express this in different ways based on their class.  The poor focus on discrimination in employment.  The more affluent blacks might express it in terms of exclusion from governance and leadership. 

Here is the truth Kari.  Unlike many Indians who are disillusioned because they feel betrayed, the PPP has lived up to their WORST fears.  They HOPED that the PPP would have been better but it turned out to be EXACTLY what they FEARED it would be.  Vicious, vindictive, and hostile!

So pardon me if I have a different view of this than you do. The reality is that most of the people on this forum who don't like the PPP don't like your idea.  The devout PPP supporters LOVE your idea.  Don't you think that alone should make your idea seemed flawed. 

Do you really think that yuji and others will shift to the PNC out of an apology?

No they will use the PNC apology as part of their "black man bad, Indian good, so black man have to apologize" to ensure that the PPP looks like the good guy in this.  THAT is why they agree with you!

Please let Kari knows this.  He says its about the PNC encouraging some Indians to vote for them, "but its not about race".

In addition when did the PNC get so angelic?  Why will a mere apology expunge them of the sin, which they will happily commit should they win? That will be an orgy of corruption by people starved from access to the pot for 22 years, and encouraged by the PPP elites about how blatantly corrupt people can be and get away with it in Guyana.

Why will the PNC solve the problem.  If they win they will explode into the same factionalism which crippled it after they lost in 1992.  Those who think Burnham is a hero, and who will happily continue the cycle of race based revenge vs. those who are more pragmatic and "honest" and who will realize that such attitudes are short sighted a guarantee of an early PNC loss.  Hammie Green vs Hoyte.

Those are some sound statements Sir. 

Somewhere between those ears have to be something useful......

     

 

Somewhere between those ears have to be something useful......

This is in reference to you.  You had your idea, which reflected poor thought, and a complete ignorance of the realities of Guyana.

Additional information has been provided to you, not least by Gilbakka, who I assume that you can't have a quarrel with, as he doesn't strike me as some one with an agenda.

Yet you still stick to it.  Not because you think it good, but because you are like the PPP.  You have a zero sum notion of life.