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Perhaps there are much more to evolve as time progresses.

Those 60 million people who voted for Trump will eventually realize their mistake because while keeping Muslims out of America may sound sexy, they will also learn that Trump is not going to help them become any more prosperous. Infact, he is such a schmuck that he will bankrupt the economy like he bankrupted his many companies. These people will realize that orgasms over removing Muslims is not enjoyable on an empty stomach.

ksazma posted:

Those 60 million people who voted for Trump will eventually realize their mistake because while keeping Muslims out of America may sound sexy, they will also learn that Trump is not going to help them become any more prosperous. Infact, he is such a schmuck that he will bankrupt the economy like he bankrupted his many companies. These people will realize that orgasms over removing Muslims is not enjoyable on an empty stomach.

And how yuh know all of this?

With the White race once again in control in Europe and the USA, it is better to fortify the back door. Dem ppl that believe in owning slaves, and with the ME and its despotic leadership. Maybe, dey will sell Africans again. 

Trump would be admired if he did nothing other than round up un-Americans and deport them. 

Why have people in their country who do not share or respect their values. 

Demerara_Guy posted:

Perhaps there are much more to evolve as time progresses.

Why you knuckleheads getting so hot under the collar because the son of a famous boxer is being questioned?

It shows that the officials are doing their job.

It also shows that no one is above the law and anyone can be a suspect. There is a price to keep us safe and to keep this nation safe. Customs and law enforcement officers cannot be complacent and be selective, especially at a time when terrorism is on the rise.

Now, I dont want to sound like the racist invoking the stereotypes about Muslims...but they are a logical target as long as Muslims (and yes, its a tiny fraction) continue to engage in terrorism around the world. 

And when people feel their rights are being violated...they have a recourse in the courts...we dont have kangaroo courts here like in Guyana

This is a different word in which we live. 

So DG, you and Kazma need to buckle up and stop getting giddy with excitement anytime you think Muslims are being unfairly targeted. 

Vish, were you high when you wrote the above???? Please tell me YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Since when is asking someone about their religion a sound immigration question? And how stupid are these immigration people anyway if they can't recognize the very public son of a very public man who has been in the public domain since the 60s?

seignet posted:

ksazma posted:

Those 60 million people who voted for Trump will eventually realize their mistake because while keeping Muslims out of America may sound sexy, they will also learn that Trump is not going to help them become any more prosperous. Infact, he is such a schmuck that he will bankrupt the economy like he bankrupted his many companies. These people will realize that orgasms over removing Muslims is not enjoyable on an empty stomach.

And how yuh know all of this?

With the White race once again in control in Europe and the USA, it is better to fortify the back door. Dem ppl that believe in owning slaves, and with the ME and its despotic leadership. Maybe, dey will sell Africans again. 

Trump would be admired if he did nothing other than round up un-Americans and deport them. 

Why have people in their country who do not share or respect their values. 

You may love massa whip but don't expect others to do the same. Trump is hapless and it shows with him and his gang. That is a fact.

VishMahabir posted:

Demerara_Guy posted:

Perhaps there are much more to evolve as time progresses.

Why you knuckleheads getting so hot under the collar because the son of a famous boxer is being questioned?

It shows that the officials are doing their job.

It also shows that no one is above the law and anyone can be a suspect. There is a price to keep us safe and to keep this nation safe. Customs and law enforcement officers cannot be complacent and be selective, especially at a time when terrorism is on the rise.

Now, I dont want to sound like the racist invoking the stereotypes about Muslims...but they are a logical target as long as Muslims (and yes, its a tiny fraction) continue to engage in terrorism around the world. 

And when people feel their rights are being violated...they have a recourse in the courts...we dont have kangaroo courts here like in Guyana

This is a different word in which we live. 

So DG, you and Kazma need to buckle up and stop getting giddy with excitement anytime you think Muslims are being unfairly targeted. 

Bai, this is merika not Saudi Arabia.  

You need to change your meds, 

VishMahabir posted:

Demerara_Guy posted:

Perhaps there are much more to evolve as time progresses.

Why you knuckleheads getting so hot under the collar because the son of a famous boxer is being questioned?

It shows that the officials are doing their job.

It also shows that no one is above the law and anyone can be a suspect. There is a price to keep us safe and to keep this nation safe. Customs and law enforcement officers cannot be complacent and be selective, especially at a time when terrorism is on the rise.

Now, I dont want to sound like the racist invoking the stereotypes about Muslims...but they are a logical target as long as Muslims (and yes, its a tiny fraction) continue to engage in terrorism around the world. 

And when people feel their rights are being violated...they have a recourse in the courts...we dont have kangaroo courts here like in Guyana

This is a different word in which we live. 

So DG, you and Kazma need to buckle up and stop getting giddy with excitement anytime you think Muslims are being unfairly targeted. 

Reality and obvious issues appear to miss you by eons; ... however it is your choice to be ingrained with that approach and mind-set.

VishMahabir posted:

Demerara_Guy posted:

Perhaps there are much more to evolve as time progresses.

Why you knuckleheads getting so hot under the collar because the son of a famous boxer is being questioned?

It shows that the officials are doing their job.

It also shows that no one is above the law and anyone can be a suspect. There is a price to keep us safe and to keep this nation safe. Customs and law enforcement officers cannot be complacent and be selective, especially at a time when terrorism is on the rise.

Now, I dont want to sound like the racist invoking the stereotypes about Muslims...but they are a logical target as long as Muslims (and yes, its a tiny fraction) continue to engage in terrorism around the world. 

And when people feel their rights are being violated...they have a recourse in the courts...we dont have kangaroo courts here like in Guyana

This is a different word in which we live. 

So DG, you and Kazma need to buckle up and stop getting giddy with excitement anytime you think Muslims are being unfairly targeted. 

Vish, I think that you need to reconsider your position.

First, trump had argued that his immigration action, the ban was not a religious discrimination. Now, we hear of American Muslim being specifically being questioned about his religion. I thought that there was something in the constitution that guaranteed certain individual rights.

Secondly, you might want to give up some of your individual rights to satisfy Trump's agenda, but you cannot just assume that it will be ok for others who value their rights more than you.

third, you do sound like a racist and stereotyping, in spite of your wish not to do so. 

Fourth, the courts are not as impartial as you seem to indicate. Why do you think that the Republicans blocked Obama's nomination for the Supreme Court? 

Zed posted:

VishMahabir posted:

Demerara_Guy posted:

Perhaps there are much more to evolve as time progresses.

Why you knuckleheads getting so hot under the collar because the son of a famous boxer is being questioned?

It shows that the officials are doing their job.

It also shows that no one is above the law and anyone can be a suspect. There is a price to keep us safe and to keep this nation safe. Customs and law enforcement officers cannot be complacent and be selective, especially at a time when terrorism is on the rise.

Now, I dont want to sound like the racist invoking the stereotypes about Muslims...but they are a logical target as long as Muslims (and yes, its a tiny fraction) continue to engage in terrorism around the world. 

And when people feel their rights are being violated...they have a recourse in the courts...we dont have kangaroo courts here like in Guyana

This is a different word in which we live. 

So DG, you and Kazma need to buckle up and stop getting giddy with excitement anytime you think Muslims are being unfairly targeted. 

Vish, I think that you need to reconsider your position.

First, trump had argued that his immigration action, the ban was not a religious discrimination. Now, we hear of American Muslim being specifically being questioned about his religion. I thought that there was something in the constitution that guaranteed certain individual rights.

Secondly, you might want to give up some of your individual rights to satisfy Trump's agenda, but you cannot just assume that it will be ok for others who value their rights more than you.

third, you do sound like a racist and stereotyping, in spite of your wish not to do so. 

Fourth, the courts are not as impartial as you seem to indicate. Why do you think that the Republicans blocked Obama's nomination for the Supreme Court? 

I commented on the need for questioning of people entering the country, not on the actions of the officials. I am not justifying what the officials did. It was stupid. But to suggest that they cannot ask questions when suspicions arise is insane, especially in this day and age. 

The article does not say if the officials had probable cause because they refuse to comment on their motive for doing so. 

We cannot assume that everytime a situation like this arises the officials are in the wrong. There have been times when many dark skin people were questioned after 911. Do we assume that all of the officials who were engaged in these actions were guided by stereotypes and racist motives?

This thing is going too far now. When someone mess with the children of the greatest then Prashad has a problem with that.

"We cannot assume that everytime a situation like this arises the officials are in the wrong."

YES, they are in the wrong if they ask your religion, do they do the same for neo-nazis.

Do you have numbers to support your assertion that Muslims are prone to terrorism over all other religions.

Zed posted:

VishMahabir posted:

Demerara_Guy posted:

Perhaps there are much more to evolve as time progresses.

Why you knuckleheads getting so hot under the collar because the son of a famous boxer is being questioned?

It shows that the officials are doing their job.

It also shows that no one is above the law and anyone can be a suspect. There is a price to keep us safe and to keep this nation safe. Customs and law enforcement officers cannot be complacent and be selective, especially at a time when terrorism is on the rise.

Now, I dont want to sound like the racist invoking the stereotypes about Muslims...but they are a logical target as long as Muslims (and yes, its a tiny fraction) continue to engage in terrorism around the world. 

And when people feel their rights are being violated...they have a recourse in the courts...we dont have kangaroo courts here like in Guyana

This is a different word in which we live. 

So DG, you and Kazma need to buckle up and stop getting giddy with excitement anytime you think Muslims are being unfairly targeted. 

Vish, I think that you need to reconsider your position.

First, trump had argued that his immigration action, the ban was not a religious discrimination. Now, we hear of American Muslim being specifically being questioned about his religion. I thought that there was something in the constitution that guaranteed certain individual rights.

Secondly, you might want to give up some of your individual rights to satisfy Trump's agenda, but you cannot just assume that it will be ok for others who value their rights more than you.

third, you do sound like a racist and stereotyping, in spite of your wish not to do so. 

Fourth, the courts are not as impartial as you seem to indicate. Why do you think that the Republicans blocked Obama's nomination for the Supreme Court? 

Fourth, the courts are not as impartial as you seem to indicate. Why do you think that the Republicans blocked Obama's nomination for the Supreme Court? 

Republicans block Obama's choice but democrats will also block Trump choice ifthey could...its the nature of politics in the US.

Placing a SC member on the bench is a lifetime position, so there are always ideological concerns by democrats and republicans. It is not always the case that members of the SC will support the President. Note the three judges who opposed the Trump ban.

Courts may not be impartial all the time...and this depends on where one stands...but we can expect that they are qualified to make well reasoned and sound decisions. Then, there is the recourse to appeals.  

Abu Jihad posted:

"We cannot assume that everytime a situation like this arises the officials are in the wrong."

YES, they are in the wrong if they ask your religion, do they do the same for neo-nazis.

 

 

Somehow Vish missed that the ONLY reason this is news is because they questioned him about his religion? People are questioned everyday when they travel. Hell, people are probably questioned when they go to Guyana also.

There is no appeal from the decisions of the Supreme Court. The "we" is not as inclusive as you think. Also, the Republicians opposition to Obama's nominee contradicts your argument. If they are not always impartial, then how can you argue that they will make sound decisions?

no assumptions made. The article indicates that he was asked his religion. According to the constitution, is he allowed to do so?

America is supposedly a country of rules and laws, and there is a constitution that guarantees certain rights,. Because the actions of some after the 911 attack happened, this does not mean that it was right. 

Those who forget the past are destined to repeat the mistakes of the past. The slow erosion of rights must be fought. If not, then Many Americans will face a bleak future. Just think of Nazi Germany. Do you think that suddenly, there was a rise of the madness. No, it was a gradual process, little by little.

Abu Jihad posted:

"We cannot assume that everytime a situation like this arises the officials are in the wrong."

YES, they are in the wrong if they ask your religion, do they do the same for neo-nazis.

Do you have numbers to support your assertion that Muslims are prone to terrorism over all other religions.

 

I never use the work "prone". Dont put words in my mouth. The majority of acts of terrorism in recent years are committed by Muslims...whether they are "real" muslims or not is not the issue...in their minds they are Muslims. 

As for the evidence...well...where do you want me to start?

Zed posted:

There is no appeal from the decisions of the Supreme Court. The "we" is not as inclusive as you think. Also, the Republicians opposition to Obama's nominee contradicts your argument. If they are not always impartial, then how can you argue that they will make sound decisions?

no assumptions made. The article indicates that he was asked his religion. According to the constitution, is he allowed to do so?

America is supposedly a country of rules and laws, and there is a constitution that guarantees certain rights,. Because the actions of some after the 911 attack happened, this does not mean that it was right. 

Those who forget the past are destined to repeat the mistakes of the past. The slow erosion of rights must be fought. If not, then Many Americans will face a bleak future. Just think of Nazi Germany. Do you think that suddenly, there was a rise of the madness. No, it was a gradual process, little by little.

Banna, you are trying to split hairs here...you are only looking at one side of the coin...the Democrats not getting their way..because you are supporting the Democrats as not getting their way..

There is a rigorous process to becoming a SC justice. There is no better way of vetting a candidate...one thing is certain...the candidates today, republican or democrats are well vetted. 

There is no "appeal" to decisions of the SC, but Congress can rewrite the laws to override their decisions.

Prashad posted:

This thing is going too far now. When someone mess with the children of the greatest then Prashad has a problem with that.

Prash,

I have to agree with you on this.

This is now getting out of hand. The great Mohammed Ali spoke out against the unjust Vietnam war and even went to jail for it.

Is this how his children are being treated ? Totally unacceptable.

MUHAMMAD ALI Jr, center