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Have you ever walk on the beach on the weekend and found that someone had been smokeing or drinking and were too lazy to cleanup after themselves? Isn’t disgusting to find that someone eat in paper plates or change their baby’s diaper and left it for someone else to clean up because they didn’t care enough to throw it away themselves?

Sometimes I want to go a beach and not to have to worry about it being destroyed in the future. Thanks to the slobs throw their junk all over the place the next generation may have to visit beaches covered in cardboard boxes, cigarettes, dirty diapers, beer bottles and dirty rags instead of soft sand, prestine water that is flourishing with fish, turtles and birds while people swimming and diving. People want to capture that blissful and beautiful moment that they will always remember.

Wouldn’t you want to preserve the beauty of your country for as long as possible? If the polluting continues, you’ll be known as “The Dumpster country, famous for its trash all over the place” That’s the same thing as saying “Don’t come to this place or you’ll catch a disease” And what about the tourist? The beaches is one of the main reasons that tourist visit our countries. Lots of people make a living by selling their products to thousands of tourist who visit every year. If the beaches are trashed, no one will come visit, and vendors who sell souvenirs to the tourists will be out of a job. Its like a cycle – no beaches, no tourist, no more people to buy souvenirs. Is that what you want to do? Destroying the beaches will only make the tourist avoid the country and many people will lose their jobs, and their families will starve and maybe thrown in the street?

My advice to you is have a heart so that people can make a living and not have to worry if they will live in a house or apartment instead of inside or next to the dumpster. With a little effort, you can make a difference and better future for this beautiful country.

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There are 2 ways of addressing this problem. First the village can levy a fee for using the beach and use the funds to clean and beautify the place. The other way is have the local Bbice govt enact a tourism tax and use the money to pay citizens to clean the beaches. This foolish youth who wrote the letter is misguided to believe that the maintenance of the beach can be left to the individual citizens. There has to be an organized effort to keep the beach clean. This should not be about having a heart, it has to be about commerce and supporting tourism. There should be garbage cans placed on the beach as well as sanitary crews to clean up every day or at least on the busy days such as weekends.

Take an example from the Islands in the Caribbean, when I was in St Lucia the cleaning was done by the town which in turn was funded by the tourism board via taxes. There is a positive to this as it will create employment as well as beautify the place.
FM
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Originally posted by BGurd_See:
There are 2 ways of addressing this problem. First the village can levy a fee for using the beach and use the funds to clean and beautify the place. The other way is have the local Bbice govt enact a tourism tax and use the money to pay citizens to clean the beaches. This foolish youth who wrote the letter is misguided to believe that the maintenance of the beach can be left to the individual citizens. There has to be an organized effort to keep the beach clean. This should not be about having a heart, it has to be about commerce and supporting tourism. There should be garbage cans placed on the beach as well as sanitary crews to clean up every day or at least on the busy days such as weekends.

Take an example from the Islands in the Caribbean, when I was in St Lucia the cleaning was done by the town which in turn was funded by the tourism board via taxes. There is a positive to this as it will create employment as well as beautify the place.


The kid is 13 bro, born in the US, second time in his life to GY, don't know or care who ppp or jagdeo is but was concern and disgusted by what he saw and all you can say he is foolish and misguided...no wonder Guyana remain to be shit hole of the caribean...
sachin_05
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Originally posted by sachin_05:
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Originally posted by BGurd_See:
There are 2 ways of addressing this problem. First the village can levy a fee for using the beach and use the funds to clean and beautify the place. The other way is have the local Bbice govt enact a tourism tax and use the money to pay citizens to clean the beaches. This foolish youth who wrote the letter is misguided to believe that the maintenance of the beach can be left to the individual citizens. There has to be an organized effort to keep the beach clean. This should not be about having a heart, it has to be about commerce and supporting tourism. There should be garbage cans placed on the beach as well as sanitary crews to clean up every day or at least on the busy days such as weekends.

Take an example from the Islands in the Caribbean, when I was in St Lucia the cleaning was done by the town which in turn was funded by the tourism board via taxes. There is a positive to this as it will create employment as well as beautify the place.


The kid is 13 bro, born in the US, second time in his life to GY, don't know or care who ppp or jagdeo is but was concern and disgusted by what he saw and all you can say he is foolish and misguided...no wonder Guyana remain to be shit hole of the caribean...


He is not foolish as he is still a child. It is the parent, hint hint, who has not exposed him to the realities of the world. You didn't have a conversation with this child after his visit about how the parks, beaches and other public places are cleaned? You really believe that Canadians, Americans and others don't litter and the public places are miraculously clean because of john public's civic responsibility? You need to educate him about the sanitation department and how they get funded. Everywhere people litter, some more than others depending on awareness. Go to the Labor Day parade in NY and see the cleanup aftermath, same thing at Carabana and any of the public beaches where clean up crews descend at the end of the day to remove garbage.
FM
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Originally posted by BGurd_See:
He is not foolish as he is still a child. It is the parent, hint hint, who has not exposed him to the realities of the world. You didn't have a conversation with this child after his visit about how the parks, beaches and other public places are cleaned? You really believe that Canadians, Americans and others don't litter and the public places are miraculously clean because of john public's civic responsibility? You need to educate him about the sanitation department and how they get funded. Everywhere people litter, some more than others depending on awareness. Go to the Labor Day parade in NY and see the cleanup aftermath, same thing at Carabana and any of the public beaches where clean up crews descend at the end of the day to remove garbage.


Only partially true. Sure there is a need for cleaning force but something else work over here. Most people learn very early to use trash bins. Mostly only hooligans litter in the US. Most will walk over to a trash rather than throw their trash on the ground just because there is not a bin under their hand. Since there are so many tv shows going on in Guyana, they should dedicate some tx time for advertisements promoting physical clenliness. That should help quite a bit.
FM
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Originally posted by sachin_05:
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Originally posted by BGurd_See:
There are 2 ways of addressing this problem. First the village can levy a fee for using the beach and use the funds to clean and beautify the place. The other way is have the local Bbice govt enact a tourism tax and use the money to pay citizens to clean the beaches. This foolish youth who wrote the letter is misguided to believe that the maintenance of the beach can be left to the individual citizens. There has to be an organized effort to keep the beach clean. This should not be about having a heart, it has to be about commerce and supporting tourism. There should be garbage cans placed on the beach as well as sanitary crews to clean up every day or at least on the busy days such as weekends.

Take an example from the Islands in the Caribbean, when I was in St Lucia the cleaning was done by the town which in turn was funded by the tourism board via taxes. There is a positive to this as it will create employment as well as beautify the place.


The kid is 13 bro, born in the US, second time in his life to GY, don't know or care who ppp or jagdeo is but was concern and disgusted by what he saw and all you can say he is foolish and misguided...no wonder Guyana remain to be shit hole of the caribean...


I must say that I agree with BGurd_See on this one. While I am happy that your son can observe the condition of the beach and be disguisted, however, it is up to you, Sachin, to explain how these places are kept clean, as BGS suggested.

This also happens in the great USof A. In the USA some beaches have to be closed because of the filth, including medical waste.
FM
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Originally posted by marlon:
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Originally posted by sachin_05:
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Originally posted by BGurd_See:
There are 2 ways of addressing this problem. First the village can levy a fee for using the beach and use the funds to clean and beautify the place. The other way is have the local Bbice govt enact a tourism tax and use the money to pay citizens to clean the beaches. This foolish youth who wrote the letter is misguided to believe that the maintenance of the beach can be left to the individual citizens. There has to be an organized effort to keep the beach clean. This should not be about having a heart, it has to be about commerce and supporting tourism. There should be garbage cans placed on the beach as well as sanitary crews to clean up every day or at least on the busy days such as weekends.

Take an example from the Islands in the Caribbean, when I was in St Lucia the cleaning was done by the town which in turn was funded by the tourism board via taxes. There is a positive to this as it will create employment as well as beautify the place.


The kid is 13 bro, born in the US, second time in his life to GY, don't know or care who ppp or jagdeo is but was concern and disgusted by what he saw and all you can say he is foolish and misguided...no wonder Guyana remain to be shit hole of the caribean...


I must say that I agree with BGurd_See on this one. While I am happy that your son can observe the condition of the beach and be disguisted, however, it is up to you, Sachin, to explain how these places are kept clean, as BGS suggested.

This also happens in the great USof A. In the USA some beaches have to be closed because of the filth, including medical waste.


not to fuget condoms,injection needles, bums, rapists, kidnappers and tje list goes on and on...this kid is much smarter dat his dad... i can tell you dis cheers
FM
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Originally posted by BGurd_See:
There are 2 ways of addressing this problem. First the village can levy a fee for using the beach and use the funds to clean and beautify the place. The other way is have the local Bbice govt enact a tourism tax and use the money to pay citizens to clean the beaches. This foolish youth who wrote the letter is misguided to believe that the maintenance of the beach can be left to the individual citizens. There has to be an organized effort to keep the beach clean. This should not be about having a heart, it has to be about commerce and supporting tourism. There should be garbage cans placed on the beach as well as sanitary crews to clean up every day or at least on the busy days such as weekends.

Take an example from the Islands in the Caribbean, when I was in St Lucia the cleaning was done by the town which in turn was funded by the tourism board via taxes. There is a positive to this as it will create employment as well as beautify the place.
Fines for littering and monitors on the beach to ensure proper sanitary habits are being observed.
FM
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Originally posted by D2:
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Originally posted by BGurd_See:
There are 2 ways of addressing this problem. First the village can levy a fee for using the beach and use the funds to clean and beautify the place. The other way is have the local Bbice govt enact a tourism tax and use the money to pay citizens to clean the beaches. This foolish youth who wrote the letter is misguided to believe that the maintenance of the beach can be left to the individual citizens. There has to be an organized effort to keep the beach clean. This should not be about having a heart, it has to be about commerce and supporting tourism. There should be garbage cans placed on the beach as well as sanitary crews to clean up every day or at least on the busy days such as weekends.

Take an example from the Islands in the Caribbean, when I was in St Lucia the cleaning was done by the town which in turn was funded by the tourism board via taxes. There is a positive to this as it will create employment as well as beautify the place.
Fines for littering and monitors on the beach to ensure proper sanitary habits are being observed.


hey dumm 2...you had to have the last say rite airhead cheers
FM
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Originally posted by marlon:
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Originally posted by sachin_05:
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Originally posted by BGurd_See:
There are 2 ways of addressing this problem. First the village can levy a fee for using the beach and use the funds to clean and beautify the place. The other way is have the local Bbice govt enact a tourism tax and use the money to pay citizens to clean the beaches. This foolish youth who wrote the letter is misguided to believe that the maintenance of the beach can be left to the individual citizens. There has to be an organized effort to keep the beach clean. This should not be about having a heart, it has to be about commerce and supporting tourism. There should be garbage cans placed on the beach as well as sanitary crews to clean up every day or at least on the busy days such as weekends.

Take an example from the Islands in the Caribbean, when I was in St Lucia the cleaning was done by the town which in turn was funded by the tourism board via taxes. There is a positive to this as it will create employment as well as beautify the place.


The kid is 13 bro, born in the US, second time in his life to GY, don't know or care who ppp or jagdeo is but was concern and disgusted by what he saw and all you can say he is foolish and misguided...no wonder Guyana remain to be shit hole of the caribean...


I must say that I agree with BGurd_See on this one. While I am happy that your son can observe the condition of the beach and be disguisted, however, it is up to you, Sachin, to explain how these places are kept clean, as BGS suggested.

This also happens in the great USof A. In the USA some beaches have to be closed because of the filth, including medical waste.
Uncle marlon, that the boy was so moved by the situation points to the good upbringing he is being given.

While you cannot blame the Gov't for everything, the PPP Gov't has played a big role in the garbage problems in Guyana, by not having held local Gov't elections, and by not sufficiently engaging the citizenry as well. antabanta has pointed out some immediate solutions that I have passed on, and the AFC agrees that it would be a part of the immediate clean-up we will engage in after assuming office.
FM
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Originally posted by Gerhard Ramsaroop:
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Originally posted by marlon:
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Originally posted by sachin_05:
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Originally posted by BGurd_See:
There are 2 ways of addressing this problem. First the village can levy a fee for using the beach and use the funds to clean and beautify the place. The other way is have the local Bbice govt enact a tourism tax and use the money to pay citizens to clean the beaches. This foolish youth who wrote the letter is misguided to believe that the maintenance of the beach can be left to the individual citizens. There has to be an organized effort to keep the beach clean. This should not be about having a heart, it has to be about commerce and supporting tourism. There should be garbage cans placed on the beach as well as sanitary crews to clean up every day or at least on the busy days such as weekends.

Take an example from the Islands in the Caribbean, when I was in St Lucia the cleaning was done by the town which in turn was funded by the tourism board via taxes. There is a positive to this as it will create employment as well as beautify the place.


The kid is 13 bro, born in the US, second time in his life to GY, don't know or care who ppp or jagdeo is but was concern and disgusted by what he saw and all you can say he is foolish and misguided...no wonder Guyana remain to be shit hole of the caribean...


I must say that I agree with BGurd_See on this one. While I am happy that your son can observe the condition of the beach and be disguisted, however, it is up to you, Sachin, to explain how these places are kept clean, as BGS suggested.

This also happens in the great USof A. In the USA some beaches have to be closed because of the filth, including medical waste.
Uncle marlon, that the boy was so moved by the situation points to the good upbringing he is being given.

While you cannot blame the Gov't for everything, the PPP Gov't has played a big role in the garbage problems in Guyana, by not having held local Gov't elections, and by not sufficiently engaging the citizenry as well. antabanta has pointed out some immediate solutions that I have passed on, and the AFC agrees that it would be a part of the immediate clean-up we will engage in after assuming office.


Gerhard,

I did say that I am happy that the kid observed the condition of the beach.

I do agree with you that the GOG should have had local elections long ago. That is part of the problem
FM
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Originally posted by marlon:
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Originally posted by sachin_05:
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Originally posted by BGurd_See:
There are 2 ways of addressing this problem. First the village can levy a fee for using the beach and use the funds to clean and beautify the place. The other way is have the local Bbice govt enact a tourism tax and use the money to pay citizens to clean the beaches. This foolish youth who wrote the letter is misguided to believe that the maintenance of the beach can be left to the individual citizens. There has to be an organized effort to keep the beach clean. This should not be about having a heart, it has to be about commerce and supporting tourism. There should be garbage cans placed on the beach as well as sanitary crews to clean up every day or at least on the busy days such as weekends.

Take an example from the Islands in the Caribbean, when I was in St Lucia the cleaning was done by the town which in turn was funded by the tourism board via taxes. There is a positive to this as it will create employment as well as beautify the place.


The kid is 13 bro, born in the US, second time in his life to GY, don't know or care who ppp or jagdeo is but was concern and disgusted by what he saw and all you can say he is foolish and misguided...no wonder Guyana remain to be shit hole of the caribean...


I must say that I agree with BGurd_See on this one. While I am happy that your son can observe the condition of the beach and be disguisted, however, it is up to you, Sachin, to explain how these places are kept clean, as BGS suggested.

This also happens in the great USof A. In the USA some beaches have to be closed because of the filth, including medical waste.

I agree, BG_S is correct here. If the beach is an asset, then local Govts should ensure it's well maintained. The funding should come from concession stand fees or other means.
FM
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Originally posted by marlon:
This also happens in the great USof A. In the USA some beaches have to be closed because of the filth, including medical waste.


The actions of mostly hooligans, not responsible people of which most are.
FM
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Originally posted by SuperMike:
not to fuget condoms,injection needles, bums, rapists, kidnappers and tje list goes on and on...this kid is much smarter dat his dad... i can tell you dis cheers


Again the actions of the diviants in our society.
FM
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Originally posted by BGurd_See:
At a simple foot ball game in the US where there is trash cans available all around, you still see the cleanup guy under the bleachers picking up after slobs who litter indiscriminately.


You said it perfectly. The conclusion is that Guyanese for whatever reason have had a history of not taking pride in their surroundings and while the government has a respobsibility mostly for removing/disposing garbage, the people more than any has the responsibility of not tossing their trash around just because the trash bin is five feet away and too far for them to walk.
FM
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Originally posted by ksazma:
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Originally posted by BGurd_See:
At a simple foot ball game in the US where there is trash cans available all around, you still see the cleanup guy under the bleachers picking up after slobs who litter indiscriminately.


You said it perfectly. The conclusion is that Guyanese for whatever reason have had a history of not taking pride in their surroundings and while the government has a respobsibility mostly for removing/disposing garbage, the people more than any has the responsibility of not tossing their trash around just because the trash bin is five feet away and too far for them to walk.

Guyanese?? I take you to India man.
FM
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Originally posted by baseman:
Guyanese?? I take you to India man.


Given I am not as well traveled as you are, I have to stick to the habits of Guyanese who generally just throw our garbage out the kitchen window. They don't do that over here because they don't have a kitchen window anymore or fear of being charged for litteering amoung other reasons. But the most obvious one is the sense of pride they took in their new surroundings.
FM
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Originally posted by ksazma:
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Originally posted by baseman:
Guyanese?? I take you to India man.


Given I am not as well traveled as you are, I have to stick to the habits of Guyanese who generally just throw our garbage out the kitchen window. They don't do that over here because they don't have a kitchen window anymore or fear of being charged for litteering amoung other reasons. But the most obvious one is the sense of pride they took in their new surroundings.

Throwing organic waste somewhere in your yard to decompose may not be bad. This is mandated in Swiss and they are a very clean country. Litter, especially in public places, is another thing and this is more where the issue lies. I agree with you, there is a high degree of learned behavior. I remember visiting Guyana a few years ago with a US nephew and he ensured all our trash (bottles, paper, etc) went into the trash bin. The locals were leaving everything where they fell.
FM
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Originally posted by baseman:
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Originally posted by ksazma:
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Originally posted by baseman:
Guyanese?? I take you to India man.


Given I am not as well traveled as you are, I have to stick to the habits of Guyanese who generally just throw our garbage out the kitchen window. They don't do that over here because they don't have a kitchen window anymore or fear of being charged for litteering amoung other reasons. But the most obvious one is the sense of pride they took in their new surroundings.

Throwing organic waste somewhere in your yard to decompose may not be bad. This is mandated in Swiss and they are a very clean country. Litter, especially in public places, is another thing and this is more where the issue lies. I agree with you, there is a high degree of learned behavior. I remember visiting Guyana a few years ago with a US nephew and he ensured all our trash (bottles, paper, etc) went into the trash bin. The locals were leaving everything where they fell.


The high degree of learned behaviour comes from mature leadership, that Guyana is lacking, either from the government or from most parents taking the time from surviving, to take care of their children properly.
It did not surprise me at the last Canada Day celebration, near the food court in the park. Without being asked, a boy picked up a napkin on the ground and put it in the trash bin. The women whom I assumed was his mother said ' Thank you Daniel', end of story.
Tola
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Originally posted by marlon:
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Originally posted by sachin_05:
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Originally posted by BGurd_See:
There are 2 ways of addressing this problem. First the village can levy a fee for using the beach and use the funds to clean and beautify the place. The other way is have the local Bbice govt enact a tourism tax and use the money to pay citizens to clean the beaches. This foolish youth who wrote the letter is misguided to believe that the maintenance of the beach can be left to the individual citizens. There has to be an organized effort to keep the beach clean. This should not be about having a heart, it has to be about commerce and supporting tourism. There should be garbage cans placed on the beach as well as sanitary crews to clean up every day or at least on the busy days such as weekends.

Take an example from the Islands in the Caribbean, when I was in St Lucia the cleaning was done by the town which in turn was funded by the tourism board via taxes. There is a positive to this as it will create employment as well as beautify the place.


The kid is 13 bro, born in the US, second time in his life to GY, don't know or care who ppp or jagdeo is but was concern and disgusted by what he saw and all you can say he is foolish and misguided...no wonder Guyana remain to be shit hole of the caribean...


I must say that I agree with BGurd_See on this one. While I am happy that your son can observe the condition of the beach and be disguisted, however, it is up to you, Sachin,[ to explain how these places are kept clean, as BGS suggested.

This also happens in the great USof A. In the USA some beaches have to be closed because of the filth, including medical waste.


to explain how these places are kept clean
Really? do I need to tell him that because the current administration fail in its duty to hold election since 1994, cause the people the stuck with the incompetent city council for the past 17 years?
sachin_05
Sachin, your kid's letter is a refelection of your noble qualities and it's refreshing to see a kid with such civic pride for the environment.

The Champion of the Earth should give your kid a medal. Big Grin flag
Mitwah
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Originally posted by Mitwah:
Sachin, your kid's letter is a refelection of your noble qualities and it's refreshing to see a kid with such civic pride for the environment.

The Champion of the Earth should give your kid a medal. Big Grin flag


This is how children grow up to respect the environment and in the end have a better world.

Regarding a medal from the champion, the champion first need to get off his high horse and have a sense that youth with these qualities, makes excellent world leaders. Something I doubt that Jagdeo knows about.
Tola
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Originally posted by BGurd_See:
This foolish youth who wrote the letter is misguided to believe that the maintenance of the beach can be left to the individual citizens.


Aye you jackass why are you calling this youth foolish?
Chief
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Originally posted by Wally:
One time in 1972 I was swiming at that 63 beach and I got bitten by something in the water. It hurt like crazy.


I got bitten quite a few timmes too...its not easy under the water Wink Big Grin panman yippie
Chief
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Originally posted by Chief:
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Originally posted by Wally:
One time in 1972 I was swiming at that 63 beach and I got bitten by something in the water. It hurt like crazy.


I got bitten quite a few timmes too...its not easy under the water Wink Big Grin panman yippie



The two of you musbe bite each other. Case closed.
cain
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Originally posted by Chief:
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Originally posted by Wally:
One time in 1972 I was swiming at that 63 beach and I got bitten by something in the water. It hurt like crazy.


I got bitten quite a few timmes too...its not easy under the water Wink Big Grin panman yippie


Those mermaids got sharp teeth. Big Grin
Mitwah
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Originally posted by Chief:
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Originally posted by BGurd_See:
This foolish youth who wrote the letter is misguided to believe that the maintenance of the beach can be left to the individual citizens.


Aye you jackass why are you calling this youth foolish?


It is foolish to expect clean beaches without an organized cleanup plan. His parents did not teach him right and so the joins the throng of those who react without thinking. hahahahhaha
FM
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Originally posted by cain:
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Originally posted by Chief:
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Originally posted by Wally:
One time in 1972 I was swiming at that 63 beach and I got bitten by something in the water. It hurt like crazy.


I got bitten quite a few timmes too...its not easy under the water Wink Big Grin panman yippie



The two of you musbe bite each other. Case closed.


God created Adam&Eve.
Chief
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Originally posted by sachin_05:

to explain how these places are kept clean
Really? do I need to tell him that because the current administration fail in its duty to hold election since 1994, cause the people the stuck with the incompetent city council for the past 17 years?


It is really elections that will solve this issue? I think it goes beyond elections, it has to change in political structures, giving more autonomy to the individual villages to determine their own faiths and levy their own taxes for their individual needs. A town council all the way in New Amsterdam or Georgetown will not have the same commitment to villages far away.
FM
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Originally posted by BGurd_See:
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Originally posted by sachin_05:

to explain how these places are kept clean
Really? do I need to tell him that because the current administration fail in its duty to hold election since 1994, cause the people the stuck with the incompetent city council for the past 17 years?


It is really elections that will solve this issue? I think it goes beyond elections, it has to change in political structures, giving more autonomy to the individual villages to determine their own faiths and levy their own taxes for their individual needs. A town council all the way in New Amsterdam or Georgetown will not have the same commitment to villages far away.

No, but holding elections and re-energing the loval Govt debates will enhance accountability and clarity and to roles and responsibility. It's all interlinked, don't just brush it off.
FM
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Originally posted by baseman
No, but holding elections and re-energing the loval Govt debates will enhance accountability and clarity and to roles and responsibility. It's all interlinked, don't just brush it off.


Nonsense, there has to be constitutional change, just changing the guards will not ensure proper planning and improvements. It will be just another set of corrupt individuals taking over. Again, villages need more autonomy to develop as they see fit. The model in the US works pretty well as we see towns and villages selling bonds to finance projects and making expenditures on projects that they believe will give a payback. The sloth in local election is a disgrace indeed but I don't see it solving the fundamental issue of accountability.
FM
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Originally posted by BGurd_See:
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Originally posted by sachin_05:

to explain how these places are kept clean
Really? do I need to tell him that because the current administration fail in its duty to hold election since 1994, cause the people the stuck with the incompetent city council for the past 17 years?


It is really elections that will solve this issue? I think it goes beyond elections, it has to change in political structures, giving more autonomy to the individual villages to determine their own faiths and levy their own taxes for their individual needs. A town council all the way in New Amsterdam or Georgetown will not have the same commitment to villages far away.


BG_S,
I commend you on this contribution. I am not saying I agree or disagree with you 100% here, but by far this is one of the most constructive points you have ever made.
FM
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Originally posted by BGurd_See:
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Originally posted by baseman
No, but holding elections and re-energing the loval Govt debates will enhance accountability and clarity and to roles and responsibility. It's all interlinked, don't just brush it off.


Nonsense, there has to be constitutional change, just changing the guards will not ensure proper planning and improvements. It will be just another set of corrupt individuals taking over. Again, villages need more autonomy to develop as they see fit. The model in the US works pretty well as we see towns and villages selling bonds to finance projects and making expenditures on projects that they believe will give a payback. The sloth in local election is a disgrace indeed but I don't see it solving the fundamental issue of accountability.

I don't fully disagree with what you said, but my point is we should not cherry-pick where and when we want to apply the rule of law, this is what allows people to shrug responsibility as they wish. But i'm not disgreeing with what you said.
FM
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Originally posted by BGurd_See:
Nonsense, there has to be constitutional change, just changing the guards will not ensure proper planning and improvements. It will be just another set of corrupt individuals taking over.


Agree 100%. My understanding of people in Guyana is they are all for themselves. They don't have someone like George Washington who saw the need to don't become a fixture in the presidency. Even on the street, ordinary people take advantage on others perceived by them to be of lesser standing. The rich are mostly arrogant and abusive to the rest. The only way to alter the egos of those seeking government offices is to have a constitutional change that will guarantee there is no absolute power grid. The PPP preached about constitutional reform when the PNC were in power and nearly two decaded later have done little if nothing about it. Perhaps they too realized that changing the status quo would get in the way of them getting rich and powerful. Now I don't know anything about the AFC outside of their promises to feel that they are going to be any different except that they don't have any strikes like the PPP and PNC. If Ramjattan is indeed elected president, he will have to act quickly to fic the constitution because as much as Guyanese suffer from many things, the biggest bugger has always been they were/are blessed with currupted leaders unrestrained by a faulty constitution.
FM
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Originally posted by BGurd_See:
It is foolish to expect clean beaches without an organized cleanup plan.


Without knowing this kid, I am willing to believe that their problem is more with the litter buggers than the litter clearers.
FM
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Originally posted by ksazma:
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Originally posted by BGurd_See:
Nonsense, there has to be constitutional change, just changing the guards will not ensure proper planning and improvements. It will be just another set of corrupt individuals taking over.


Agree 100%. My understanding of people in Guyana is they are all for themselves. They don't have someone like George Washington who saw the need to don't become a fixture in the presidency. Even on the street, ordinary people take advantage on others perceived by them to be of lesser standing. The rich are mostly arrogant and abusive to the rest. The only way to alter the egos of those seeking government offices is to have a constitutional change that will guarantee there is no absolute power grid. The PPP preached about constitutional reform when the PNC were in power and nearly two decaded later have done little if nothing about it. Perhaps they too realized that changing the status quo would get in the way of them getting rich and powerful. Now I don't know anything about the AFC outside of their promises to feel that they are going to be any different except that they don't have any strikes like the PPP and PNC. If Ramjattan is indeed elected president, he will have to act quickly to fic the constitution because as much as Guyanese suffer from many things, the biggest bugger has always been they were/are blessed with currupted leaders unrestrained by a faulty constitution.

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