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New passport application…Lawyer takes Top Cop to court over birth certificate requirement

June 29, 2014 | By | Filed Under News

 

A decision by the Government to ask first time passport applicants to present a birth certificate issued within the last six

 

Plaintiff: Attorney-at-law Saphier Husain-Subedar

Plaintiff: Attorney-at-law Saphier Husain-Subedar

 

months, has sparked a court case. Prominent city lawyer, Saphier Husain-Subedar, has taken the Chief Immigration Officer to court asking that the decision to refuse birth certificates older than six months be overturned. The Chief Immigration Officer, court documents said, is none other than the Commissioner of Police, Seelall Persaud. Husain-Subedar said that he decided to file the case after he went into the Passport Office and attempted to apply for a Passport. He was turned down. Last week, Chief Justice, Ian Chang, granted an Order or Rule nisi directed at the Chief Immigration Officer, Commissioner Persaud. The Commissioner must now show cause why a final court order should not be issued to quash the decision of Immigration Officer, Mr. Parris No. 21356, on June 18th, who refused to accept a birth certificate tendered as part of the new Passport application, by the lawyer. In the court action, the lawyer is also asking that the court direct the Immigration Office to accept his birth certificate as is and consider his application and to issue an electronic machine readable passport to him. The matter is coming up again on July 8th. According to the court documents, Husain-Subedar, of Broom Hall, Mahaicony, East Coast Demerara, said that he has a birth certificate No. 1 of Division/Centre 5, Mahaicony and issued on 2004/01/22. His name on that certificate is stated as Saphier Husain. On March 8th, 2013, the lawyer said he adopted the name “Subedar”, after his grandfather from India. The lawyer said he is an Attorney-at-Law admitted to practice in the Republic of Trinidad and Tobago in October 1986 and in Guyana in June 1987. “I practiced with the name of Saphier Husain. That in January, 2013 I have now completed National Committee of Accreditation Exams in the Dominion of Canada and was awarded the N.C.A. Certificate in the name of Saphier Husain Subedar.” The lawyer said he has been practising for over 27 years in Guyana and is also a rice and cattle farmer. “I also engaged in religious Lay Ministry in Guyana and in the Province of Ontario Canada. That as a resident of Canada and also because of professional reasons I have to travel frequently to various international locations. That I was issued Passport No. 1066917 issued on 19th March, 2004 which has now expired.” Rejected! On June 18th, Husain-Subedar said that he visited the Immigration Office in Camp Street, Georgetown with the required application form completed. He was in the company of a legal clerk, Frank Cole. Husain-Subedar also had in his possession a copy of the Deed Poll, a document showing his name change, and his old Passport, issued on March 19th, 2004.

 

Police Commissioner, Seelall Persaud

Police Commissioner, Seelall Persaud

 

He had two passport size photos certified by Michael Somersall, Attorney-at-Law, and the required $4,000 fee. Husain-Sudedar said that he presented the documents to Immigration Officer, Mr. Parris No. 21356, “who rejected the application on the grounds that the birth certificate was not valid for said application, since it was issued in 2004/01/22 and not within the last six months.” The lawyer said he asked on what authority he was being rejected and the Immigration Officer replied that he was instructed by his senior officers to do so. “That I told said Immigration Officer that his rejection is wrong in law and violated my Constitutional right… to withhold freedom of movement as guaranteed under Article 148 of the Constitution of Guyana 1980 as amended i.e – the right to enter Guyana and the right to leave Guyana.” Within the Law Husain-Subedar said that he did his research and believed that his birth certificate issued under the Registration of Births and Deaths Chapter 44:01 of the Laws of Guyana cannot be invalidated except by law or an amendment of the constitution. “That I am informed and verily believe that I may not be able by regular process to get a new birth certificate before the next six months. That I am informed and verily believe that several persons may get the birth certificate within a few weeks by payment of a huge sum of money. That the requirement of a new birth certificate is for ulterior motive, denial of a passport, violation of the right to travel and personal liberty guaranteed under Act 139 of the Constitution of Guyana as decided by the Supreme Court of India in the case of Satwant Singh Sawhney Vs.  D. Ramaratham, Assistant Passport Officer, 1967 SCR (2) 525– (India)…” Husain-Subedar said that as a result of the decision, he cannot freely travel to and from Guyana, as is his constitutional right. Rather this right is being contravened by “said refusal to grant me a passport because of the requirement of a birth certificate issued within the last six months.” The lawyer said that he conducted “diligent” research and found “no law, regulation, rule, publication in the Official Gazette, official publication in any newspapers circulating in Guyana requiring a birth certificate issued within the last six months as a prerequisite to the issuance of a passport. He also contended that Guyana does not even have a Passport Act, like in the case of India and Lesotho. “That the Chief Immigration Officer and subordinate officers are acting in excess of their jurisdiction and failure to carry out their statutory duty under the Immigration Act of the Laws of Guyana. Wherefore I advised myself and verily believed that I am entitled to a Writ of Certiorari and Mandamus to quash the said above decision and to command the Chief Immigration Officer and subordinate officers, their servants and agents and everyone of them to issue an electronic machine readable passport to me by law.” The birth certificate issue has been a contentious one since it came to light earlier this month. In a statement, the Home Affairs Ministry had said that the machine readable passport was introduced in 2007 and to ensure that the passport was less susceptible to forgery, the directive coming from the Guyana Police Force was given for applicants to furnish birth certificates no older than six months. The Ministry outlined that for integrity purposes, it is now reinforcing its policy directive originally given to the Guyana Police Force. “This process is necessary to enable Guyana to comply with international best practices and prevent illegal use of travel documents.” APNU Shadow Minister of Public Works and Telecommunications, Joseph Harmon, had said however that it is “a most ridiculous requirement. If you are a first-time applicant for the passport, what will a recently issued birth certificate do to enhance one’s integrity? How does the old one diminish one’s eligibility for the passport? In making rules we have to be sensible.”

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i tell y'all dis is a bunch of PPP smoke to cover something sinister

 

this is not a revenue raiser of any significance . . . why is Freedom House digging in and going to all this trouble?

FM

They are  making the Birth Certificate division looking  a den of thieves, everyone knows that to get birth certificates bribes has to be passed, seems

like the Government of the day have no grouse about bribe taking. As in this case would seems that it is being encouraged.

FM

The new passport regulation is

ridiculous

June 26, 2014 | By | Filed Under Letters
 

DEAR EDITOR, I read in the news papers with a great deal of interest that ‘’Guyanese applying for a passport for the first time must produce a birth certificate not less than six months old before the application.’’ As an Ordained Minister of Religion, Legal Marriage Officer and a signatory on passport forms, I believe this new regulation is in error and is completely wrong. While I can comprehend that the Hon. Minister of Home Affairs is trying to stamp out corruption pertaining to illegal birth certificates, marriage certificates etc. This new regulation doesn’t convince me that irregularities of forged birth certificates will come to an end. The Hon. Minister did not say if married women applying for a passport for the first time must have a new marriage certificate, and husband new birth certificate, since they are required to produce those documents with their birth certificates for a new passport. This new regulation did not say if widows must have a new death certificate and divorced women must produce a new updated absolute or those with name change by deed poll an updated deed poll. This regulation did not say if children whose parents will apply for passports for them must also have a new birth certificate within six months. In my opinion, a legal birth certificate, marriage certificate, and death certificate doesn’t have an expiry date on it, so how can this new birth certificate law inform the immigration officer that it’s an original or forged birth certificate? I believe if the birth certificate is very old and writings are not legible then the applicant must produce a new birth certificate. To apply for a birth certificate now will take two months or longer… even a year. A late registration takes six months. One cannot fill out an application form and go upstairs at the GPOC and pay $600 for two birth certificates and get it instantly unless huge bribes are given; so this new law may appear to be good, but stricter laws must be made and given to the Registrar General to facilitate birth certificates instantly. Here is an example of a man who spent $20,000 to travel with his wife to the immigration from Crabwood Creek; he arrives at 7a.m. and after waiting until midday is told he needs new birth certificates. He now takes a Taxi for a $1000 to the GPOC to be told to submit an application and his birth certificates will be posted in two months. He has no other alternative but to pay a bribe of $10,000 to get his birth certificates. The stricter the laws the greater the corruption. My next question is: why is it that the entire nation has to travel to Georgetown to obtain a very inferior quality machine readable passport? After seven years, why is it this government cannot decentralize this passport office? In Berbice it used to be in New Amsterdam and Skeldon. What they need to do is set up Passport Offices in the different regions so our citizens can have easy access to apply for their passports without paying thousands to travel to Georgetown to be sent home empty-handed. Their applications will be made in their regions and their passport will be processed in Georgetown using the same old system we had many years ago. After 48 years of Independence, to obtain a simple birth certificate has been a great problem. All the applications are done at GPOC then they go through old, dead, worn-out books searching for applicants’ names. This again must be decentralized to the various regions to ease the paper work pressure. In this age of computers and the internet, passport applications should be done online; after payment a receipt is given to the applicant to be taken to their nearest Birth Certificate office to obtain their birth certificates. What’s the big deal to computerize this nation’s births with less than a million people? My next point:  if these new laws are implemented then it should be in the passport form and be posted all over the media and pasted at schools, libraries, hospitals etc. to sensitize the Guyanese public. I have birth certificates for myself and families many years in brand new condition. Why is it that I have to get a new birth certificate for my child to get a simple passport? Then the other problem at GPOC is folks working there always spelling people’s names wrong and in some cases give them completely different names. I applied for a birth certificate three times for an old lady at my church. GPOC claimed the lady was never registered. I took the lady to them after she showed them her ID card, stating that she had an old red birth certificate but it was damaged. They found her name and mailed me the birth certificate one month later. To my amazement, they gave the lady a completely new first name. My last name on the envelope they called me ‘Leal’’ instead of Cecil. I wonder how many folks working at GPOC passed three subjects including English Language. I am thoroughly convinced we are governed by modern illiterates. This whole issue about this new law about a six months old birth certificate for a first applicant passport should be reviewed and a Bill should be tabled in parliament and approved before this unjust, ridiculous law is approved. Our present administrators make and break so many laws they themselves cannot uphold. How many of our Ministers in government will wait two months for a birth certificate to get them a new passport? If my parent dies in the USA and I don’t have a passport, it means I can’t travel unless I have a new birth certificate. Can our erudite Minter of Legal Affairs tell me why this entire nation has to travel to Georgetown for a passport and birth certificate? How do we compare ourselves with our Caribbean neighbours? Who will compensate people travelling from Essequibo, Berbice, Linden, Lethem etc. to be turned down for their passport? They should file a lawsuit to be compensated for their expenses. I am thoroughly convinced that we are a nation behind human civilization when I compare our nation with countries I have been to. May God help us. Rev. Gideon Cecil

FM
Originally Posted by redux:

i tell y'all dis is a bunch of PPP smoke to cover something sinister

 

this is not a revenue raiser of any significance . . . why is Freedom House digging in and going to all this trouble?

Correct.  There must be something which triggered this action by the Govt.  On the surface, it looks very strange however, unless I know differently, the Govt is responding to some type of concern.  I reserve judgement.  The fact that it's gone to court is reassuring that the rule of law will be respected.  Let's hear what the court says.

FM

The only people who really should have a birth certificate issued within the last six months should be those who lost theirs and those born within the last six months.

 

Ignorant people flexing muscle seems to be the order of the day.

 

 

cain
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Originally Posted by cain:

The only people who really should have a birth certificate issued within the last six months should be those who lost theirs and those born within the last six months.

 

Ignorant people flexing muscle seems to be the order of the day.

 

 

What if non-Guyanese living in Guyana claim this and seek a passport from Guyana.

FM
Originally Posted by baseman:
Originally Posted by cain:

The only people who really should have a birth certificate issued within the last six months should be those who lost theirs and those born within the last six months.

 

Ignorant people flexing muscle seems to be the order of the day.

 

 

What if non-Guyanese living in Guyana claim this and seek a passport from Guyana.

Claim what? That they just up and lost their birth cert or they just born?

 

As in any other country, show the proof. You cannot walk in any office claiming you are who you are without proof.

 

I'm willing to bet that none of us posting here or any other site have a birth certificate issued to us just a mere six months ago unless as I've stated.

What those officials are doing is sheer bullshit.

cain
Originally Posted by baseman:
Originally Posted by redux:

i tell y'all dis is a bunch of PPP smoke to cover something sinister

 

this is not a revenue raiser of any significance . . . why is Freedom House digging in and going to all this trouble?

Correct.  There must be something which triggered this action by the Govt.  On the surface, it looks very strange however, unless I know differently, the Govt is responding to some type of concern.  I reserve judgement.  The fact that it's gone to court is reassuring that the rule of law will be respected.  Let's hear what the court says.

the only "concern" of Freedom House right now is SURVIVAL

 

the PPP regime is engaged in an existential, multi-pronged effort to rig upcoming elections in Guyana . . . this is one prong

 

the Opposition must use it's majority to get answers on how many new birth certificates were issued (and to whom) since this nominally 'absurd' directive came down from Home Affairs

 

watch dem carefully

FM
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Originally Posted by cain:
Originally Posted by baseman:
Originally Posted by cain:

The only people who really should have a birth certificate issued within the last six months should be those who lost theirs and those born within the last six months.

 

Ignorant people flexing muscle seems to be the order of the day.

 

 

What if non-Guyanese living in Guyana claim this and seek a passport from Guyana.

Claim what? That they just up and lost their birth cert or they just born?

 

As in any other country, show the proof. You cannot walk in any office claiming you are who you are without proof.

 

I'm willing to bet that none of us posting here or any other site have a birth certificate issued to us just a mere six months ago unless as I've stated.

What those officials are doing is sheer bullshit.

Cain, I have an issue with the requirement but they have been taken to court so I would reserve judgement until there is a hearing and court response.  The GoG has to defend their actions.  Let's withhold judgement, that's all I say.

FM
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Originally Posted by baseman:
Originally Posted by cain:
Originally Posted by baseman:
Originally Posted by cain:

The only people who really should have a birth certificate issued within the last six months should be those who lost theirs and those born within the last six months.

 

Ignorant people flexing muscle seems to be the order of the day.

 

 

What if non-Guyanese living in Guyana claim this and seek a passport from Guyana.

Claim what? That they just up and lost their birth cert or they just born?

 

As in any other country, show the proof. You cannot walk in any office claiming you are who you are without proof.

 

I'm willing to bet that none of us posting here or any other site have a birth certificate issued to us just a mere six months ago unless as I've stated.

What those officials are doing is sheer bullshit.

Redux, I have an issue with the requirement but they have been taken to court so I would reserve judgement until there is a hearing and court response.  The GoG has to defend their actions.  Let's withhold judgement, that's all I say.

u (deliberately?) missing the forest for the trees

 

re-read my previous post

FM
Originally Posted by redux:
Originally Posted by baseman:
Originally Posted by redux:

i tell y'all dis is a bunch of PPP smoke to cover something sinister

 

this is not a revenue raiser of any significance . . . why is Freedom House digging in and going to all this trouble?

Correct.  There must be something which triggered this action by the Govt.  On the surface, it looks very strange however, unless I know differently, the Govt is responding to some type of concern.  I reserve judgement.  The fact that it's gone to court is reassuring that the rule of law will be respected.  Let's hear what the court says.

the only "concern" of Freedom House right now is SURVIVAL

 

the PPP regime is engaged in an existential, multi-pronged effort to rig upcoming elections in Guyana . . . this is one prong

 

the Opposition must use it's majority to get answers on how many new birth certificates were issued (and to whom) since this nominally 'absurd' directive came down from Home Affairs

 

watch dem carefully

How does this link to regime preservation?  Let hear the court.

FM
Originally Posted by baseman:
Originally Posted by redux:
Originally Posted by baseman:
Originally Posted by redux:

i tell y'all dis is a bunch of PPP smoke to cover something sinister

 

this is not a revenue raiser of any significance . . . why is Freedom House digging in and going to all this trouble?

Correct.  There must be something which triggered this action by the Govt.  On the surface, it looks very strange however, unless I know differently, the Govt is responding to some type of concern.  I reserve judgement.  The fact that it's gone to court is reassuring that the rule of law will be respected.  Let's hear what the court says.

the only "concern" of Freedom House right now is SURVIVAL

 

the PPP regime is engaged in an existential, multi-pronged effort to rig upcoming elections in Guyana . . . this is one prong

 

the Opposition must use it's majority to get answers on how many new birth certificates were issued (and to whom) since this nominally 'absurd' directive came down from Home Affairs

 

watch dem carefully

How does this link to regime preservation?  Let hear the court.

huh . . . u see no link between rigging and regime preservation?

FM
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Originally Posted by redux:
Originally Posted by baseman:
Originally Posted by redux:
Originally Posted by baseman:
Originally Posted by redux:

i tell y'all dis is a bunch of PPP smoke to cover something sinister

 

this is not a revenue raiser of any significance . . . why is Freedom House digging in and going to all this trouble?

Correct.  There must be something which triggered this action by the Govt.  On the surface, it looks very strange however, unless I know differently, the Govt is responding to some type of concern.  I reserve judgement.  The fact that it's gone to court is reassuring that the rule of law will be respected.  Let's hear what the court says.

the only "concern" of Freedom House right now is SURVIVAL

 

the PPP regime is engaged in an existential, multi-pronged effort to rig upcoming elections in Guyana . . . this is one prong

 

the Opposition must use it's majority to get answers on how many new birth certificates were issued (and to whom) since this nominally 'absurd' directive came down from Home Affairs

 

watch dem carefully

How does this link to regime preservation?  Let hear the court.

huh . . . u see no link between rigging and regime preservation?

Does one need a passport to vote?

FM
Originally Posted by baseman:
Originally Posted by redux:
Originally Posted by baseman:
Originally Posted by redux:
Originally Posted by baseman:
Originally Posted by redux:

i tell y'all dis is a bunch of PPP smoke to cover something sinister

 

this is not a revenue raiser of any significance . . . why is Freedom House digging in and going to all this trouble?

Correct.  There must be something which triggered this action by the Govt.  On the surface, it looks very strange however, unless I know differently, the Govt is responding to some type of concern.  I reserve judgement.  The fact that it's gone to court is reassuring that the rule of law will be respected.  Let's hear what the court says.

the only "concern" of Freedom House right now is SURVIVAL

 

the PPP regime is engaged in an existential, multi-pronged effort to rig upcoming elections in Guyana . . . this is one prong

 

the Opposition must use it's majority to get answers on how many new birth certificates were issued (and to whom) since this nominally 'absurd' directive came down from Home Affairs

 

watch dem carefully

How does this link to regime preservation?  Let hear the court.

huh . . . u see no link between rigging and regime preservation?

Does one need a passport to vote?

dude, as i posted elsewhere, i believe the directive is administrative cover for the issuance of a shit load of 'new' birth certificates . . . nothing to do with passport

 

look also to the late-in-de-day "transfers" 'uncovered' by PPP party "activists" that Rohee want GECOM to bless

 

rigging in the 21st Century does not need to be done Burnham style with the crude stuffing of ballot boxes

 

we ah watch alyuh

FM
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Originally Posted by redux:
Originally Posted by baseman:
Originally Posted by redux:
Originally Posted by baseman:
Originally Posted by redux:
Originally Posted by baseman:
Originally Posted by redux:

i tell y'all dis is a bunch of PPP smoke to cover something sinister

 

this is not a revenue raiser of any significance . . . why is Freedom House digging in and going to all this trouble?

Correct.  There must be something which triggered this action by the Govt.  On the surface, it looks very strange however, unless I know differently, the Govt is responding to some type of concern.  I reserve judgement.  The fact that it's gone to court is reassuring that the rule of law will be respected.  Let's hear what the court says.

the only "concern" of Freedom House right now is SURVIVAL

 

the PPP regime is engaged in an existential, multi-pronged effort to rig upcoming elections in Guyana . . . this is one prong

 

the Opposition must use it's majority to get answers on how many new birth certificates were issued (and to whom) since this nominally 'absurd' directive came down from Home Affairs

 

watch dem carefully

How does this link to regime preservation?  Let hear the court.

huh . . . u see no link between rigging and regime preservation?

Does one need a passport to vote?

dude, as i posted elsewhere, i believe the directive is administrative cover for the issuance of a shit load of 'new' birth certificates . . . nothing to do with passport

 

look also to the late-in-de-day "transfers" 'uncovered' by PPP party "activists" that Rohee want GECOM to bless

 

rigging in the 21st Century does not need to be done Burnham style with the crude stuffing of ballot boxes

 

we ah watch alyuh

You have an overactive imagination.

FM
Originally Posted by baseman:
Originally Posted by redux:
Originally Posted by baseman:
Originally Posted by redux:
Originally Posted by baseman:
Originally Posted by redux:
Originally Posted by baseman:
Originally Posted by redux:

i tell y'all dis is a bunch of PPP smoke to cover something sinister

 

this is not a revenue raiser of any significance . . . why is Freedom House digging in and going to all this trouble?

Correct.  There must be something which triggered this action by the Govt.  On the surface, it looks very strange however, unless I know differently, the Govt is responding to some type of concern.  I reserve judgement.  The fact that it's gone to court is reassuring that the rule of law will be respected.  Let's hear what the court says.

the only "concern" of Freedom House right now is SURVIVAL

 

the PPP regime is engaged in an existential, multi-pronged effort to rig upcoming elections in Guyana . . . this is one prong

 

the Opposition must use it's majority to get answers on how many new birth certificates were issued (and to whom) since this nominally 'absurd' directive came down from Home Affairs

 

watch dem carefully

How does this link to regime preservation?  Let hear the court.

huh . . . u see no link between rigging and regime preservation?

Does one need a passport to vote?

dude, as i posted elsewhere, i believe the directive is administrative cover for the issuance of a shit load of 'new' birth certificates . . . nothing to do with passport

 

look also to the late-in-de-day "transfers" 'uncovered' by PPP party "activists" that Rohee want GECOM to bless

 

rigging in the 21st Century does not need to be done Burnham style with the crude stuffing of ballot boxes

 

we ah watch alyuh

You have an overactive imagination.

ummmmm . . . i bet u also 'believe' that the PPP espionage operation headquartered on the grounds of Castellani House has nothing to do with spying on the opposition

FM
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Originally Posted by redux:
Originally Posted by baseman:
Originally Posted by redux:
Originally Posted by baseman:
Originally Posted by redux:
Originally Posted by baseman:
Originally Posted by redux:
Originally Posted by baseman:
Originally Posted by redux:

i tell y'all dis is a bunch of PPP smoke to cover something sinister

 

this is not a revenue raiser of any significance . . . why is Freedom House digging in and going to all this trouble?

Correct.  There must be something which triggered this action by the Govt.  On the surface, it looks very strange however, unless I know differently, the Govt is responding to some type of concern.  I reserve judgement.  The fact that it's gone to court is reassuring that the rule of law will be respected.  Let's hear what the court says.

the only "concern" of Freedom House right now is SURVIVAL

 

the PPP regime is engaged in an existential, multi-pronged effort to rig upcoming elections in Guyana . . . this is one prong

 

the Opposition must use it's majority to get answers on how many new birth certificates were issued (and to whom) since this nominally 'absurd' directive came down from Home Affairs

 

watch dem carefully

How does this link to regime preservation?  Let hear the court.

huh . . . u see no link between rigging and regime preservation?

Does one need a passport to vote?

dude, as i posted elsewhere, i believe the directive is administrative cover for the issuance of a shit load of 'new' birth certificates . . . nothing to do with passport

 

look also to the late-in-de-day "transfers" 'uncovered' by PPP party "activists" that Rohee want GECOM to bless

 

rigging in the 21st Century does not need to be done Burnham style with the crude stuffing of ballot boxes

 

we ah watch alyuh

You have an overactive imagination.

ummmmm . . . i bet u also 'believe' that the PPP espionage operation headquartered on the grounds of Castellani House have nothing to do with spying on the opposition

This is probably true however, it's an assertion, but I believe it could be credible.

FM
Originally Posted by baseman:
Originally Posted by cain:

The only people who really should have a birth certificate issued within the last six months should be those who lost theirs and those born within the last six months.

 

Ignorant people flexing muscle seems to be the order of the day.

 

 

What if non-Guyanese living in Guyana claim this and seek a passport from Guyana.

This is not the case. The applicant is seeking a passport renewal. Here I just present myself at the wicket with my soon to expire passport, application for renewal, two photos and money.

 

Cain is right. This requirement is ridiculous and most likely illegal.

Mitwah
Originally Posted by baseman:
Originally Posted by redux:
Originally Posted by baseman:
Originally Posted by redux:
Originally Posted by baseman:
Originally Posted by redux:
Originally Posted by baseman:
Originally Posted by redux:
Originally Posted by baseman:
Originally Posted by redux:

i tell y'all dis is a bunch of PPP smoke to cover something sinister

 

this is not a revenue raiser of any significance . . . why is Freedom House digging in and going to all this trouble?

Correct.  There must be something which triggered this action by the Govt.  On the surface, it looks very strange however, unless I know differently, the Govt is responding to some type of concern.  I reserve judgement.  The fact that it's gone to court is reassuring that the rule of law will be respected.  Let's hear what the court says.

the only "concern" of Freedom House right now is SURVIVAL

 

the PPP regime is engaged in an existential, multi-pronged effort to rig upcoming elections in Guyana . . . this is one prong

 

the Opposition must use it's majority to get answers on how many new birth certificates were issued (and to whom) since this nominally 'absurd' directive came down from Home Affairs

 

watch dem carefully

How does this link to regime preservation?  Let hear the court.

huh . . . u see no link between rigging and regime preservation?

Does one need a passport to vote?

dude, as i posted elsewhere, i believe the directive is administrative cover for the issuance of a shit load of 'new' birth certificates . . . nothing to do with passport

 

look also to the late-in-de-day "transfers" 'uncovered' by PPP party "activists" that Rohee want GECOM to bless

 

rigging in the 21st Century does not need to be done Burnham style with the crude stuffing of ballot boxes

 

we ah watch alyuh

You have an overactive imagination.

ummmmm . . . i bet u also 'believe' that the PPP espionage operation headquartered on the grounds of Castellani House have nothing to do with spying on the opposition

This is probably true however, it's an assertion, but I believe it could be credible.

classic!!!

 

har har har har harrr

FM

Oi Base you got knock down here banna, dem boys wrong and that's end of story. As you say, let's wait for the courts and hear true story it'll soon come out around 2035 until then we view it as wrong.

cain

The new passport regulation is ridiculous

June 26, 2014 | By | Filed Under Letters 

DEAR Baseman, I read in the news papers with a great deal of interest that ‘’Guyanese applying for a passport for the first time must produce a birth certificate not less than six months old before the application.’’ As an Ordained Minister of Religion, Legal Marriage Officer and a signatory on passport forms, I believe this new regulation is in error and is completely wrong. While I can comprehend that the Hon. Minister of Home Affairs is trying to stamp out corruption pertaining to illegal birth certificates, marriage certificates etc. This new regulation doesn’t convince me that irregularities of forged birth certificates will come to an end. The Hon. Minister did not say if married women applying for a passport for the first time must have a new marriage certificate, and husband new birth certificate, since they are required to produce those documents with their birth certificates for a new passport. This new regulation did not say if widows must have a new death certificate and divorced women must produce a new updated absolute or those with name change by deed poll an updated deed poll. This regulation did not say if children whose parents will apply for passports for them must also have a new birth certificate within six months. In my opinion, a legal birth certificate, marriage certificate, and death certificate doesn’t have an expiry date on it, so how can this new birth certificate law inform the immigration officer that it’s an original or forged birth certificate? I believe if the birth certificate is very old and writings are not legible then the applicant must produce a new birth certificate. To apply for a birth certificate now will take two months or longer… even a year. A late registration takes six months. One cannot fill out an application form and go upstairs at the GPOC and pay $600 for two birth certificates and get it instantly unless huge bribes are given; so this new law may appear to be good, but stricter laws must be made and given to the Registrar General to facilitate birth certificates instantly. Here is an example of a man who spent $20,000 to travel with his wife to the immigration from Crabwood Creek; he arrives at 7a.m. and after waiting until midday is told he needs new birth certificates. He now takes a Taxi for a $1000 to the GPOC to be told to submit an application and his birth certificates will be posted in two months. He has no other alternative but to pay a bribe of $10,000 to get his birth certificates. The stricter the laws the greater the corruption. My next question is: why is it that the entire nation has to travel to Georgetown to obtain a very inferior quality machine readable passport? After seven years, why is it this government cannot decentralize this passport office? In Berbice it used to be in New Amsterdam and Skeldon. What they need to do is set up Passport Offices in the different regions so our citizens can have easy access to apply for their passports without paying thousands to travel to Georgetown to be sent home empty-handed. Their applications will be made in their regions and their passport will be processed in Georgetown using the same old system we had many years ago. After 48 years of Independence, to obtain a simple birth certificate has been a great problem. All the applications are done at GPOC then they go through old, dead, worn-out books searching for applicants’ names. This again must be decentralized to the various regions to ease the paper work pressure. In this age of computers and the internet, passport applications should be done online; after payment a receipt is given to the applicant to be taken to their nearest Birth Certificate office to obtain their birth certificates. What’s the big deal to computerize this nation’s births with less than a million people? My next point:  if these new laws are implemented then it should be in the passport form and be posted all over the media and pasted at schools, libraries, hospitals etc. to sensitize the Guyanese public. I have birth certificates for myself and families many years in brand new condition. Why is it that I have to get a new birth certificate for my child to get a simple passport? Then the other problem at GPOC is folks working there always spelling people’s names wrong and in some cases give them completely different names. I applied for a birth certificate three times for an old lady at my church. GPOC claimed the lady was never registered. I took the lady to them after she showed them her ID card, stating that she had an old red birth certificate but it was damaged. They found her name and mailed me the birth certificate one month later. To my amazement, they gave the lady a completely new first name. My last name on the envelope they called me ‘Leal’’ instead of Cecil. I wonder how many folks working at GPOC passed three subjects including English Language. I am thoroughly convinced we are governed by modern illiterates. This whole issue about this new law about a six months old birth certificate for a first applicant passport should be reviewed and a Bill should be tabled in parliament and approved before this unjust, ridiculous law is approved. Our present administrators make and break so many laws they themselves cannot uphold. How many of our Ministers in government will wait two months for a birth certificate to get them a new passport? If my parent dies in the USA and I don’t have a passport, it means I can’t travel unless I have a new birth certificate. Can our erudite Minter of Legal Affairs tell me why this entire nation has to travel to Georgetown for a passport and birth certificate? How do we compare ourselves with our Caribbean neighbours? Who will compensate people travelling from Essequibo, Berbice, Linden, Lethem etc. to be turned down for their passport? They should file a lawsuit to be compensated for their expenses. I am thoroughly convinced that we are a nation behind human civilization when I compare our nation with countries I have been to. May God help us. Rev. Gideon Cecil

Mitwah

It is possible that this comment was posed earlier.......but I could not read them all to confirm...

 

I am hoping that there is some merit to this requirement....within 6 months.

 

This matter is rightfully getting a proper review......in the courts...as opposed to many uneducated opinions.

 

On the face of this matter it has no legal merit.

 

This has real problems for Guyanese living overseas.

 

I am awaiting the GOG response 

Vish M
Originally Posted by Vish M:

It is possible that this comment was posed earlier.......but I could not read them all to confirm...

 

I am hoping that there is some merit to this requirement....within 6 months.

 

This matter is rightfully getting a proper review......in the courts...as opposed to many uneducated opinions.

 

On the face of this matter it has no legal merit.

 

This has real problems for Guyanese living overseas.

 

I am awaiting the GOG response 

vish bai, your 'faith' in the gangster PPP Gov't is a 21st Century curiosity

 

but then again, maybe not

FM
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