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No-confidence motion… Nadir’s interpretation of clause “erroneous”- Greenidge

August 27, 2014, By KNews, Filed Under News, Source - Kaieteur News

 

As the time draws nearer for the no-confidence motion to be voted on, so do the fears, speculation and “worrying interpretations of the law” by some political figures.

 

Carl Greenidge

Carl Greenidge


On a recently held radio programme, one government official disclosed his “revelation and interpretation of a clause in the Constitution” as it relates to the no-confidence motion. PPP Parliamentarian, Manzoor Nadir expressed that a clause in the Constitution outlines that “all elected members of parliament” must be present in the National Assembly when the “highly anticipated” no-confidence motion is put to a vote. The Public Accounts Committee member asserted that if a Parliamentarian from either side of the House is not present, then a vote on the motion could not be made.


The programme saw commentaries by Head of Blue Caps Clinton Urling and A Partnership for National Unity (APNU)’s Shadow Minister of Agriculture and the Environment Dr. Rupert Roopnaraine.


Urling expressed that he was not aware of the “newfound clause” as mentioned by Nadir and said that it underscores the need for research but in the end, it comes down to interpretation and the word of the Judiciary.


But Carl Greenidge, Chairman of the Public Accounts Committee came forward to debunk the “silly and irrational” twists made to a clause of the Constitution in relation to the motion. Greenidge, before elaborating on his point, said that Nadir simply, “has to come better than that.”


“Having heard previous statements by the Attorney General, Anil Nandlall, President Donald Ramotar and Cabinet Secretary, Dr. Roger Luncheon all of which hinted of the existence of mysterious requirements or procedures pertaining to the No-Confidence Motion, I have been waiting to see what the PPP would come up with. If Nadir’s comments are the full extent of the mystery to which they were alluding, then as the fellows say in the street, “they have to come again” for Nadir’s views are erroneous and possibly pernicious,” the former Finance Minister stated.


Greenidge explained that the revised Constitution has three sets of references to voting in the Assembly.


“First, determination of the outcome of a ballot shall be by a majority. Majorities mentioned are either simple or two-thirds of all the members. A two-thirds majority is required in two circumstances if a vote is to be carried; a confidence motion and the declaration of a state of emergency or war.”


With regard to no-confidence, actually ‘confidence motions’, the APNU parliamentarian stated that Article 106 (6&7) of the Constitution states that “The Cabinet including the President shall resign if the Government is defeated by the vote of a majority of all the elected members of the National Assembly on a vote of confidence. Notwithstanding its defeat, the Government shall remain in office and shall hold an election within three months, or such longer period as the National Assembly shall by resolution supported by not less than two-thirds of the votes of all the elected members of the National Assembly determine, and shall resign after the President takes the oath of office following the election.”

 

PPP MP, Manzoor Nadir

PPP MP, Manzoor Nadir

 

Greenidge then made the point that two-thirds of 65 is 43. Therefore, absence from the Assembly makes no difference to that requirement.


He added, “But is that what is meant by the all members? These references to all the elected members need to be and have up to now been interpreted in the context of the specific article of the Constitution which deals with voting in the Assembly.”


Greenidge pointed out as well that the Constitution states that as it relates to voting, it says that “All questions proposed for decision in the National Assembly shall be determined by a majority of the votes of the members present and voting.”


Greenidge said that in law, perhaps more than any other discipline, it is imperative to read the entire reference document before drawing a conclusion about meaning.  He said that it is inconceivable that drafting would have been so poor that the temporary illness or death of one Member of Parliament could frustrate the Assembly’s declaration of a state of emergency.


“Since the wording of the phrases on voting are all the same, it is for Mr Nadir to identify a single occasion when the interpretation of “all the elected members” has ever been determined with reference to those absent,” Greenidge expressed.


As it relates to Urling’s contention on research, Greenidge said that indeed, “research should be done before accepting gratuitous and obviously self-serving interpretations of the law, proffered by Nadir and his colleagues. It is a very simple matter and has been tested many times. An understanding of Article 168 requires no resort to the Judiciary.  It never has.”


He concluded that the matter of voting on a no-confidence motion is not at all complicated.

 

Source -- http://www.kaieteurnewsonline....erroneous-greenidge/

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Originally Posted by Demerara_Guy:
Greenidge then made the point that two-thirds of 65 is 43. Therefore, absence from the Assembly makes no difference to that requirement.


He added, “But is that what is meant by the all members? These references to all the elected members need to be and have up to now been interpreted in the context of the specific article of the Constitution which deals with voting in the Assembly.”

 

 

No-confidence motion… Nadir’s interpretation of clause “erroneous”- Greenidge

August 27, 2014, By KNews, Filed Under News, Source - Kaieteur News

Absence may or may not make a difference, though the obtaining 43 votes of the elected MPs - two thirds - indeed would be a challenge.

FM

This is nonsense, there is no 2/3rd's majority required for a vote of no confidence a simple majority is what is required and stipulated by the constitution.

 

Again PPP grasping at straws. BTW what happened to the PPP threatening they would call a snap election that has turned into vapor?

FM
Originally Posted by Demerara_Guy:
As it relates to Urling’s contention on research, Greenidge said that indeed, “research should be done before accepting gratuitous and obviously self-serving interpretations of the law, proffered by Nadir and his colleagues. It is a very simple matter and has been tested many times. An understanding of Article 168 requires no resort to the Judiciary.  It never has.”

 

He concluded that the matter of voting on a no-confidence motion is not at all complicated.

Why wait until the start of the new session, rather than engaging with the dilly dallying antics at the close of the legislative assembly.

 

Perhaps, only Greenidge understands the Constitution.

 

Simple matter ... "Get on with the no-confidence motion and let the process follow."

FM
Originally Posted by Cobra:

What Manzoor Nadir is saying is that a no-confidence motion is not a piece of cake. You have to consult with the constitution.

Manzoor Nadir is speaking nothing more than pure unfiltered horse shit.

 

FM
Originally Posted by Cobra:

What Manzoor Nadir is saying is that a no-confidence motion is not a piece of cake. You have to consult with the constitution.

OH skites, Cobra the PPP snake oil salesman is the new Ralph Ramkarran SC?

 

 

FM
Originally Posted by HM_Redux:
Originally Posted by Cobra:

What Manzoor Nadir is saying is that a no-confidence motion is not a piece of cake. You have to consult with the constitution.

Manzoor Nadir is speaking nothing more than pure unfiltered horse shit.

 

You have a right to demonstrate your anger with anyone or anything that pleases you. The issue is still a constitutional matter and Mr. Nadir is right.

FM
Originally Posted by Cobra:
Originally Posted by HM_Redux:
Originally Posted by Cobra:

What Manzoor Nadir is saying is that a no-confidence motion is not a piece of cake. You have to consult with the constitution.

Manzoor Nadir is speaking nothing more than pure unfiltered horse shit.

 

You have a right to demonstrate your anger with anyone or anything that pleases you. The issue is still a constitutional matter and Mr. Nadir is right.

Fact are fact, Cobra you talking sheer horse dung on GNI.

FM

If Nadir interpretation of the constitution is erroneous, then why should we believe Carl Greenidge when they are many interpretations? Our judiciary should have the final saying since they're the guardian of the constitution.

FM
Originally Posted by Cobra:

If Nadir interpretation of the constitution is erroneous, then why should we believe Carl Greenidge when they are many interpretations? Our judiciary should have the final saying since they're the guardian of the constitution.

Why Nadababa so silent? He is the PPP constitution expert. Manzoor is a Katahar. PPP challenged AFC to bring it on; PPP threatened they would call a snap election that has turned into vapor. PPP is in panic mode.

 

Ramotar does not want to go down in history that he is the first President in the Carribean, West Indies or South America to be toppled by a Confidence Motion. Hope he learns from this that he is to reach out and compromise with the other side.

One Seat can make a difference.

Mitwah
Originally Posted by Cobra:

Nadir is not a katahar. He is a knowledge man. PPP is strategic and waiting for the right time to strike. 

Ok! He is a spent force. Why did he  step down as leader on May 29, 2011?

 

Are you saying he likes PPP/C pee?

Mitwah
Originally Posted by Cobra:

Nadir is not a katahar. He is a knowledge man. PPP is strategic and waiting for the right time to strike. 

 

PPP is already striking fear in the minds of the AFC. The AFC is rotten, corrupt and broke. The PPP will crush them like baigan choka. This election will be the end of the AFC.

 

The big boys, PPP and PNC will be left standing.

 

Granger will make his usual trip to the office of the president, cup in hand.

 

PPP for another five years.

FM
Originally Posted by yuji22:
Originally Posted by Cobra:

Nadir is not a katahar. He is a knowledge man. PPP is strategic and waiting for the right time to strike. 

 

PPP is already striking fear in the minds of the AFC. The AFC is rotten, corrupt and broke. The PPP will crush them like baigan choka. This election will be the end of the AFC.

 

The big boys, PPP and PNC will be left standing.

 

Granger will make his usual trip to the office of the president, cup in hand.

 

PPP for another five years.

Mitwah
Originally Posted by yuji22:
Originally Posted by Cobra:

Nadir is not a katahar. He is a knowledge man. PPP is strategic and waiting for the right time to strike. 

 

PPP is already striking fear in the minds of the AFC. The AFC is rotten, corrupt and broke. The PPP will crush them like baigan choka. This election will be the end of the AFC.

 

The big boys, PPP and PNC will be left standing.

 

Granger will make his usual trip to the office of the president, cup in hand.

 

PPP for another five years.

Indications are that the PPP/C will be in power for a number of five-years terms.

 

There are constitutional requirements for the President and the Leader of the Opposition to meet to discuss certain topics.

 

However, it is simply hearsay and not authentic information that the Leader of the Opposition visits with cap in hand.

FM
Originally Posted by Demerara_Guy:

 

 Indications are that the PPP/C will be in power for a number of five-years terms.

 

Banna with dem kinda joke, you might make it as a stand up comedian.

cain
Originally Posted by cain:
Originally Posted by Demerara_Guy:

 

 Indications are that the PPP/C will be in power for a number of five-years terms.

Banna with dem kinda joke, you might make it as a stand up comedian.

A select few may consider it as a joke.

FM
Originally Posted by Demerara_Guy:

No-confidence motion… Nadir’s interpretation of clause “erroneous”- Greenidge

August 27, 2014, By KNews, Filed Under News, Source - Kaieteur News

 

As the time draws nearer for the no-confidence motion to be voted on, so do the fears, speculation and “worrying interpretations of the law” by some political figures.

 

Carl Greenidge

Carl Greenidge


On a recently held radio programme, one government official disclosed his “revelation and interpretation of a clause in the Constitution” as it relates to the no-confidence motion. PPP Parliamentarian, Manzoor Nadir expressed that a clause in the Constitution outlines that “all elected members of parliament” must be present in the National Assembly when the “highly anticipated” no-confidence motion is put to a vote. The Public Accounts Committee member asserted that if a Parliamentarian from either side of the House is not present, then a vote on the motion could not be made.


The programme saw commentaries by Head of Blue Caps Clinton Urling and A Partnership for National Unity (APNU)’s Shadow Minister of Agriculture and the Environment Dr. Rupert Roopnaraine.


Urling expressed that he was not aware of the “newfound clause” as mentioned by Nadir and said that it underscores the need for research but in the end, it comes down to interpretation and the word of the Judiciary.


But Carl Greenidge, Chairman of the Public Accounts Committee came forward to debunk the “silly and irrational” twists made to a clause of the Constitution in relation to the motion. Greenidge, before elaborating on his point, said that Nadir simply, “has to come better than that.”


“Having heard previous statements by the Attorney General, Anil Nandlall, President Donald Ramotar and Cabinet Secretary, Dr. Roger Luncheon all of which hinted of the existence of mysterious requirements or procedures pertaining to the No-Confidence Motion, I have been waiting to see what the PPP would come up with. If Nadir’s comments are the full extent of the mystery to which they were alluding, then as the fellows say in the street, “they have to come again” for Nadir’s views are erroneous and possibly pernicious,” the former Finance Minister stated.


Greenidge explained that the revised Constitution has three sets of references to voting in the Assembly.


“First, determination of the outcome of a ballot shall be by a majority. Majorities mentioned are either simple or two-thirds of all the members. A two-thirds majority is required in two circumstances if a vote is to be carried; a confidence motion and the declaration of a state of emergency or war.”


With regard to no-confidence, actually ‘confidence motions’, the APNU parliamentarian stated that Article 106 (6&7) of the Constitution states that “The Cabinet including the President shall resign if the Government is defeated by the vote of a majority of all the elected members of the National Assembly on a vote of confidence. Notwithstanding its defeat, the Government shall remain in office and shall hold an election within three months, or such longer period as the National Assembly shall by resolution supported by not less than two-thirds of the votes of all the elected members of the National Assembly determine, and shall resign after the President takes the oath of office following the election.”

 

PPP MP, Manzoor Nadir

PPP MP, Manzoor Nadir

 

Greenidge then made the point that two-thirds of 65 is 43. Therefore, absence from the Assembly makes no difference to that requirement.


He added, “But is that what is meant by the all members? These references to all the elected members need to be and have up to now been interpreted in the context of the specific article of the Constitution which deals with voting in the Assembly.”


Greenidge pointed out as well that the Constitution states that as it relates to voting, it says that “All questions proposed for decision in the National Assembly shall be determined by a majority of the votes of the members present and voting.”


Greenidge said that in law, perhaps more than any other discipline, it is imperative to read the entire reference document before drawing a conclusion about meaning.  He said that it is inconceivable that drafting would have been so poor that the temporary illness or death of one Member of Parliament could frustrate the Assembly’s declaration of a state of emergency.


“Since the wording of the phrases on voting are all the same, it is for Mr Nadir to identify a single occasion when the interpretation of “all the elected members” has ever been determined with reference to those absent,” Greenidge expressed.


As it relates to Urling’s contention on research, Greenidge said that indeed, “research should be done before accepting gratuitous and obviously self-serving interpretations of the law, proffered by Nadir and his colleagues. It is a very simple matter and has been tested many times. An understanding of Article 168 requires no resort to the Judiciary.  It never has.”


He concluded that the matter of voting on a no-confidence motion is not at all complicated.

 

Source -- http://www.kaieteurnewsonline....erroneous-greenidge/

There is a feverish tension in Guyana as the PPP tried to trick the people into believing they are being cheated when the real cheats are the likes of this CIOG fraud mansoor.

FM

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