Jagan mek the PNC rule for 28 years because of his pigheadedness. Dis baldheaded skont gweing down the same road. Like it is said, whom the gods wishes to destroy is made pagli first. 

Maybe all dis shite in Guyana is a plan of the gods to rid Guyanese of stupid leaders.

I want to see him remove Granger. Only if he Jagdeo leaves Guyana then maybe APNU will give up. I wonder how many martyrs will it take. 

There would be no problem removing Granger from his office. His political career is over.   The coalition is done for and the PNC will never win a free and fair election. 

The outcome of negotiations is heavily influenced by the power relationship between the parties. To understand the power relationship between the PPP and APNU one must ask who is requesting the negotiations. In this instance, there is no doubt that APNU realizes that they have an extremely weak hand made weaker by the rapidly closing legal paths and international condemnation.

APNU is now facing up to the reality that the only realistic alternative to a negotiated outcome is to demit office. The days of the Cold War where the domino theory enabled undemocratic governments are over. The threat to stay in office even after a declaration is APNU’s last play. However, it is a very weak hand. They may try it for a bit but know it will not be a sustainable position. The PPP have no incentive to negotiate, particularly as they are on the verge of being declared the winner. Besides the PPP leadership will lose credibility if they negotiate under duress and enter into a partnership with untrustworthy partners. Last but not least, the vast majority of the PPP supporters will never go for negotiations. The PPP are in an absolute position of strength.

@seignet posted:

Jagan mek the PNC rule for 28 years because of his pigheadedness. Dis baldheaded skont gweing down the same road. Like it is said, whom the gods wishes to destroy is made pagli first. 

Maybe all dis shite in Guyana is a plan of the gods to rid Guyanese of stupid leaders.

I want to see him remove Granger. Only if he Jagdeo leaves Guyana then maybe APNU will give up. I wonder how many martyrs will it take. 

Wonder why you are scared of Dr Jagdeo, have you ever met him? Most of the people in Guyana like him and if he had ran for president he would have won by a very large margin.

 He did a lot for the Black people , even more than Granger's government. as a matter of fact he has done a lot more for Guyana then the Coalition.

@Locutus posted:

The outcome of negotiations is heavily influenced by the power relationship between the parties. To understand the power relationship between the PPP and APNU one must ask who is requesting the negotiations. In this instance, there is no doubt that APNU realizes that they have an extremely weak hand made weaker by the rapidly closing legal paths and international condemnation.

APNU is now facing up to the reality that the only realistic alternative to a negotiated outcome is to demit office. The days of the Cold War where the domino theory enabled undemocratic governments are over. The threat to stay in office even after a declaration is APNU’s last play. However, it is a very weak hand. They may try it for a bit but know it will not be a sustainable position. The PPP have no incentive to negotiate, particularly as they are on the verge of being declared the winner. Besides the PPP leadership will lose credibility if they negotiate under duress and enter into a partnership with untrustworthy partners. Last but not least, the vast majority of the PPP supporters will never go for negotiations. The PPP are in an absolute position of strength.

Well said.

Jagdeo has done more for Black People than Indians.

@Ramakant-P posted:

Jagdeo has done more for Black People than Indians.

Perhaps you are correct.

@Locutus posted:

The outcome of negotiations is heavily influenced by the power relationship between the parties. To understand the power relationship between the PPP and APNU one must ask who is requesting the negotiations. In this instance, there is no doubt that APNU realizes that they have an extremely weak hand made weaker by the rapidly closing legal paths and international condemnation.

APNU is now facing up to the reality that the only realistic alternative to a negotiated outcome is to demit office. The days of the Cold War where the domino theory enabled undemocratic governments are over. The threat to stay in office even after a declaration is APNU’s last play. However, it is a very weak hand. They may try it for a bit but know it will not be a sustainable position. The PPP have no incentive to negotiate, particularly as they are on the verge of being declared the winner. Besides the PPP leadership will lose credibility if they negotiate under duress and enter into a partnership with untrustworthy partners. Last but not least, the vast majority of the PPP supporters will never go for negotiations. The PPP are in an absolute position of strength.

Bro, it has nothing to do with all of that. Afro-Guyanese hold dear to their heart the time of slavery. Even though this generation has not endured, it is remembered history. They have been slowly loosing their inheritance of the land, its governance and their citizenship. They are made to bend under the PPP. They simply putting a crowbar in their backs suh not to bend.

Eventually, they will have to compromise by themselves. If Jagdeo leaves it happens at a faster pace. Is not dislike taht I have forJagdeo, it is what he respresents. He holding back the progress of the country and diminishes leadership in the PPP and the country at large.

@seignet posted:

Bro, it has nothing to do with all of that. Afro-Guyanese hold dear to their heart the time of slavery. Even though this generation has not endured, it is remembered history. They have been slowly loosing their inheritance of the land, its governance and their citizenship. They are made to bend under the PPP. They simply putting a crowbar in their backs suh not to bend.

Eventually, they will have to compromise by themselves. If Jagdeo leaves it happens at a faster pace. Is not dislike taht I have forJagdeo, it is what he respresents. He holding back the progress of the country and diminishes leadership in the PPP and the country at large.

You don't know what you are talking about. You should get your facts straight.  The blacks had 33 years to better themselves and what did they do?  They celebrated slavery and were more concerning about Africa than Guyana.  Burnham was sending money to Africa to fight Apartheid and at the same time, they were treating the Indians the same way.  

Indians had to go to the National service in order to qualify for jobs. They were forced to join the  PNC and were treated as second class citizens. 

On the other hand, Jagdeo fed, housed, and clothed them.

Again, get your facts straight.

Jagdeo is correct.

@seignet posted:

Bro, it has nothing to do with all of that. Afro-Guyanese hold dear to their heart the time of slavery. Even though this generation has not endured, it is remembered history. They have been slowly loosing their inheritance of the land, its governance and their citizenship. They are made to bend under the PPP. They simply putting a crowbar in their backs suh not to bend.

Eventually, they will have to compromise by themselves. If Jagdeo leaves it happens at a faster pace. Is not dislike taht I have forJagdeo, it is what he respresents. He holding back the progress of the country and diminishes leadership in the PPP and the country at large.

Please clarify what you mean by losing "their inheritance of the land, its governance and their citizenship". Are Afro-Guyanese having their land taken away or being denied land ownership, are they being unfairly denied the opportunity to govern and are certain rights of citizenship being taken away? Was this being done from 1968-1992? Was it also being done over the past 5 years. 

It is disingenuous to pin this all on Jagdeo. After all were we on a path of rapid progress before he arrived on the scene? In fact to pin the economic and social inequities on one party much less one individual is counter productive. There are certainly deeper structural issues to be fixed but trying to deny the free will of the people to choose their government is probably not the best way to start fixing those issues.

Also, if you are really interested in exploring the inequities of land ownership in Guyana you may want to explore the members of the upper economic class that are backing APNU.