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Washington (CNN) -- U.S. special forces swooped into Somalia in a pair of helicopters in a daring overnight raid to rescue two kidnapped aid workers -- an American and a Dane -- and killed the nine gunmen holding them, American officials said Wednesday.

The hostages, Jessica Buchanan and Poul Thisted, were seized in October after they visited humanitarian projects in northern Somalia, said the Danish Refugee Council, the agency for which they worked.

Both are unharmed, the aid group said.

They were taken to a regional medical facility and received care from U.S. military doctors and nurses, Pentagon spokesman George Little said Wednesday.

Andreas Kamm, secretary-general of the Danish Refugee Council, told CNN the agency was "very relieved" that both hostages had been safely rescued.
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"They are not hospitalized," Kamm said, so "we take it as a sign that they're OK."

The pair phoned their families from the African nation of Djibouti after the rescue, said Ann Mary Olsen of the Danish Refugee Council, according to Danish TV2 reporter Thorkild Dahl.

Dahl said Olsen told reporters she had tried to work with local people to get the hostages released but had not succeeded.

Navy SEALs from the unit that killed al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden last year in Pakistan were part of the mission, a U.S. official said, without specifying whether any of the same individuals were on both assaults.

More details of the operation

SEALs were only part of the special forces team, the official said. Pentagon spokesman Little said the rescue team included special operations troops from different branches of the military but would not specify which branches.

The SEALs are part of a unit officially called the Naval Special Warfare Development Group, formerly known as SEAL Team Six.

The special forces troops took fire as they fought their way into a compound where the hostages were held, the official said, adding the troops believed that the kidnappers were shooting. The official is not authorized to speak to the media and asked not to be named.

Nine heavily armed gunmen were killed in the strike, Little said, adding that they had explosives nearby. There were no known survivors among the kidnappers, he added.

The American assault team did not suffer any injuries, the Pentagon said.

The special forces rushed the hostages out of the compound and onto the helicopters, the U.S. official said.

The raid was undertaken on what CNN meteorologists say was a dark night, with little moonlight but generally clear skies.

White House spokesman Jay Carney, traveling with President Barack Obama to Iowa on Wednesday, gave more details of how the mission had unfolded.

Obama learned of the success of the mission at 6:43 p.m. Tuesday, a little more than two hours before he gave the State of the Union address, Carney said.

"The decision to go ahead with this rescue mission was made because there was information concerning the deteriorating health of Ms. Buchanan, as well as a window of opportunity to execute this mission," Carney said.

Obama, who had given the go-ahead at 9 p.m. Monday, was kept regularly updated on its progress throughout Tuesday, Carney said.

Only minutes after concluding his high-profile speech, the president telephoned Buchanan's father at 10:32 p.m. to inform him of the mission's success, Carney said.

Before news broke of the rescue, Obama told Defense Secretary Leon Panetta, "Leon, good job tonight. Good job tonight," at the State of the Union address.

The hostages were safe at that point, but the mission was not yet complete as the American assault team was not out of Somalia, Little said.

Obama thanked the special operations forces for their "extraordinary courage and capabilities" in a statement, but did not provide details on the fatalities.

"The United States will not tolerate the abduction of our people, and will spare no effort to secure the safety of our citizens and to bring their captors to justice," Obama said. "This is yet another message to the world that the United States of America will stand strongly against any threats to our people."

Panetta monitored the rescue from the White House, Little said.

In a statement, Panetta later said the raid "is a testament to the superb skills of courageous service members who risked their lives to save others."

Speaking on ABC's "Good Morning America," Vice President Joe Biden said of the special forces: "It just takes your breath away, their capacity and their bravery and their incredible timing."

The rescued American is "doing well, under the circumstances," her father told CNN on Wednesday.

John Buchanan said the family was "fine -- now," and expressed his thanks to the special forces who rescued Jessica, saying: "We're really grateful." He declined to comment on her health.

Capt. John Kirby, another Pentagon spokesman, said the abductors were ordinary criminals.

"They were kidnappers. We don't have any indication that they were connected to any terrorist group or ideological group at that point," he said.

"They were not Al-Shabaab," Little said, referring to the al Qaeda-linked Islamist militia that holds sway over parts of Somalia.

He said the sense of urgency with regard to the hostage situation had increased from mid-January.

"It's safe to say that within the last week or so, we were able to connect enough dots that we could make the decisions that were made," Kirby said, referring to the intelligence U.S. officials had to go on.

The area where the hostages were seized is known as a hub for pirates, rather than an area of Islamic militant activity.

Thisted, the rescued Dane, is a senior aid worker who had been in Somalia for some time, said Olsen of the Danish Refugee Council.

A number of high-profile abductions of foreigners have occurred in Somalia and in Kenya, close to the largely lawless Somali border.

Some of the kidnappings have been blamed on Al-Shabaab, while criminals seeking ransoms seem to have carried out others.

The raid comes nearly three years after Navy snipers killed three pirates who had taken hostage the captain of the Maersk Alabama off Somalia.

U.S. forces did not coordinate the raid with local officials, but residents welcomed the outcome as a warning to other groups to cease the kidnapping of foreigners, said Abdirahman Mohamud Farole, president of Puntland, a semiautonomous region of Somalia.

Local authorities gave conflicting casualty figures after the raid. Some officials said seven gunmen were killed, but Mohamed Ahmed Aalin, president of Galmudug state, said nine were killed and five others detained by U.S. forces.

The aid workers were part of the Danish Refugee Council's de-mining unit, which aims to make civilians safe from landmines and unexploded ordnance.Source

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Originally posted by Mara:
The timing of this operation for the President could not have been better. First the Captain of the Maersk Alabama & the 3 Somali pirates, then Osama Bin-laden and now these bandits. No doubt a tremendous boost for his re-election campaign.


And he does it with impressive efficiency. No need for him to use big fireworks like his predecessor yet his results are far more quantitative.
FM
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Originally posted by Cobra:
Many U.S. presidents did some extraordinary thing during their administration. It's only fair to take credit where credit is deserve but it may not necessarily help Obama his re-election. The economy is priority on everyone's mind. Being optimistic about Obama's re-election is as good as dreaming.

Chammar like you hate black people.
Chief
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Originally posted by Cobra:
Many U.S. presidents did some extraordinary thing during their administration. It's only fair to take credit where credit is deserve but it may not necessarily help Obama his re-election. The economy is priority on everyone's mind. Being optimistic about Obama's re-election is as good as dreaming.
And on what account are you making this prophesy...dreaming?
FM
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Originally posted by Cobra:
Many U.S. presidents did some extraordinary thing during their administration. It's only fair to take credit where credit is deserve but it may not necessarily help Obama his re-election. The economy is priority on everyone's mind. Being optimistic about Obama's re-election is as good as dreaming.


The polls today show Obama gaining a bit.
FM
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Originally posted by D2:
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Originally posted by Cobra:
Many U.S. presidents did some extraordinary thing during their administration. It's only fair to take credit where credit is deserve but it may not necessarily help Obama his re-election. The economy is priority on everyone's mind. Being optimistic about Obama's re-election is as good as dreaming.
And on what account are you making this prophesy...dreaming?


I thought you were sleeping. What are you, a night hawk? The writing is on the wall. The media and his platform "change we can believe" will hurt him badly, especially if he goes up against Newt.
FM
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Originally posted by Cobra:
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Originally posted by D2:
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Originally posted by Cobra:
Many U.S. presidents did some extraordinary thing during their administration. It's only fair to take credit where credit is deserve but it may not necessarily help Obama his re-election. The economy is priority on everyone's mind. Being optimistic about Obama's re-election is as good as dreaming.
And on what account are you making this prophesy...dreaming?


I thought you were sleeping. What are you, a night hawk? The writing is on the wall. The media and his platform "change we can believe" will hurt him badly, especially if he goes up against Newt.
Newt vs Obama will be fun, Newt wont be able to invent history on the fly. I have a ringside seat on this one. Obama will bitch slap him

Sleep? What is that?
FM
Obama, like the past Republican presidents, is not addressing the outsourcing of America. The only jobs remaining are low paying one in the service industry or the other extreme in intellectual property. The middle class manufacturing jobs have disappeared and will not be coming back. China has the lock down on electronics and most other manufacturing. When Obama asked Steve Jobs last year what it would take to have iphones made in the US, he replied that those jobs will never come back. The only iphones related jobs are in retail.
FM
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Originally posted by BGurd_See:
Obama, like the past Republican presidents, is not addressing the outsourcing of America. The only jobs remaining are low paying one in the service industry or the other extreme in intellectual property. The middle class manufacturing jobs have disappeared and will not be coming back. China has the lock down on electronics and most other manufacturing. When Obama asked Steve Jobs last year what it would take to have iphones made in the US, he replied that those jobs will never come back. The only iphones related jobs are in retail.

Maybe daz caaz he taalk to Abama. Taalk to Ginger Bread man, he goa geh anada ansa. Dem wite man know how foa fix datt prablim, just like abie coolie bais donk hay. Dem dozz juss puss around till dem muss gafa do sometin'.
FM
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Originally posted by Wally:
Obama cannot control the US economy so he is using the US military to try to get himself re-elected. Americans are not a stupid people. They know that the man cannot create jobs. So they will give him the boot in the next election.


The use of the US military is the only superiority that the US has on the world right now so they will use it to the end.
AJ
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Originally posted by Chief:
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Originally posted by Cobra:
Many U.S. presidents did some extraordinary thing during their administration. It's only fair to take credit where credit is deserve but it may not necessarily help Obama his re-election. The economy is priority on everyone's mind. Being optimistic about Obama's re-election is as good as dreaming.

Chammar like you hate black people.


It is sad that the only thing unchanged since God created earth is killing ppl. And men get honoured for doing that - taking a life that they did give.

The planet will and still suffer from changes, but the evil of mans' heart will never change.

Some religion on the planet, considers KILLINGs to be honouring to god and there are rewards for it.

Suh, is Obama killing ppl for re-election?
S
Western justice and transparency
Glenn Greenwald

On Saturday in Somalia, the U.S. fired missiles from a drone and killed the 27-year-old Lebanon-born, ex-British citizen Bilal el-Berjawi. His wife had given birth 24 hours earlier and the speculation is that the U.S. located him when his wife called to give him the news. Roughly one year ago, El-Berjawi was stripped of his British citizenship, obtained when his family moved to that country when he was an infant, through the use of a 2006 British anti-Terrorism law — passed after the London subway bombing — that the current government is using with increasing frequency to strip alleged Terrorists with dual nationality of their British citizenship (while providing no explanation for that act). El-Berjawi’s family vehemently denies that he is involved with Terrorism, but he was never able to appeal the decree against him for this reason:

Berjawi is understood to have sought to appeal against the order, but lawyers representing his family were unable to take instructions from him amid concerns that any telephone contact could precipitate a drone attack.

Obviously, those concerns were valid. So first the U.S. tries to assassinate people, then it causes legal rulings against them to be issued because the individuals, fearing for their life, are unable to defend themselves. Meanwhile, no explanation or evidence is provided for either the adverse government act or the assassination: it is simply secretly decreed and thus shall it be.

Exactly the same thing happened with U.S. citizen Anwar Awlaki. When the ACLU and CCR, representing Awlaki’s father, sued President Obama asking a federal court to enjoin the President from killing his American son without a trial, the Obama DOJ insisted (and the court ultimately accepted) that Awlaki himself must sue on his own behalf. Obviously, that was impossible given that the Obama administration was admittedly trying to kill him and surely would have done so the minute he stuck his head up to contact lawyers (indeed, the U.S. tried to kill him each time they thought they had located him, and then finally succeeded). So again in the Awlaki case: the U.S. targets someone for death, and then their inability to defend themselves is used as a weapon to deny their legal rights.

remainder of article:
http://www.salon.com/writer/glenn_greenwald/
FM
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Originally posted by Abu Jihad:
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Suh, is Obama killing ppl for re-election?


YES, thats the only option left to prove Americas might.
It is brain power to innovate and allow ingrates like you and Henry to crawl out of your hovels to the light. If they can trigger an email with ip and GPS location in an instant some one post on a site as this to ferret out homegrown threats, think how scared those fools are who intend to do us harm or who kidnap good folks must feel. As soon as they fire up a computer, ipod, gameboy or any connectable device and blam!.. a tomahawk on their heads!
FM
Under Obama, we no longer need courts, judges or lawyers. The president can simply execute anyone he pleases. Of course some people, and you know who you are, yearn for the womb-like security of a totalitarian police state, deluded into believing that if you incessantly declare your absolute simpering fealty to the ruling clique, the guillotine will fall only on others and not on you.
FM
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Originally posted by Henry:
Under Obama, we no longer need courts, judges or lawyers. The president can simply execute anyone he pleases. Of course some people, and you know who you are, yearn for the womb-like security of a totalitarian police state, deluded into believing that if you incessantly declare your absolute simpering fealty to the ruling clique, the guillotine will fall only on others and not on you.
Under what law can a president ipso facto execute any one? You larouchites hyper ventilate these ridiculous claims and think we should accept them as we do our cereal for breakfast simply because you said so. If anyone acts to kill citizens of the nation and then undertake to hide outside the reach of the legal system; I am all for them getting iced by the military since it is the option of last resort to curtail mayhem

In any event, the topic is the extermination of 7 vermin who kidnapped and held for ransom someone who dedicated her life to helping the children of their country.
FM
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Originally posted by Billy Ram Balgobin:
I see this attack as no different from the extra-judicial attacks on Buxton by the Phantoms. In both cases, gov'ts took extra measures to stop kidnappers armed with AKs.
It is different because Buxton is a village in the state and agencies of the state should be arrayed against whomever threatens the state. There is no imperative to use mercenaries or drug lords in private justice outside the law. Then you are (if it can be proven to be the case) unfit for office.
FM
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Originally posted by D2:
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Originally posted by Billy Ram Balgobin:
I see this attack as no different from the extra-judicial attacks on Buxton by the Phantoms. In both cases, gov'ts took extra measures to stop kidnappers armed with AKs.
It is different because Buxton is a village in the state and agencies of the state should be arrayed against whomever threatens the state. There is no imperative to use mercenaries or drug lords in private justice outside the law. Then you are (if it can be proven to be the case) unfit for office.


So GW and company was unfit for office and should have been strung up by the ba!!$ after 9/11.

Obmam is unfit for office for killing Awlaki.

I am getting to like this D2 guy cheers
AJ
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Originally posted by Abu Jihad:
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Originally posted by D2:
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Originally posted by Billy Ram Balgobin:
I see this attack as no different from the extra-judicial attacks on Buxton by the Phantoms. In both cases, gov'ts took extra measures to stop kidnappers armed with AKs.
It is different because Buxton is a village in the state and agencies of the state should be arrayed against whomever threatens the state. There is no imperative to use mercenaries or drug lords in private justice outside the law. Then you are (if it can be proven to be the case) unfit for office.


So GW and company was unfit for office and should have been strung up by the ba!!$ after 9/11.

Obmam is unfit for office for killing Awlaki.

I am getting to like this D2 guy cheers
Awalaki was planning murders and was implicated in other terrorist action. He got what he deserved.

Per my statement above if you become an enemy combatant and hide outside of the law you get targeted. That fat white boy also has bull's eye in his forehead. I guess you will cry foul then as well but who the hell cares.
FM
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Originally posted by D2:
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Originally posted by Billy Ram Balgobin:
I see this attack as no different from the extra-judicial attacks on Buxton by the Phantoms. In both cases, gov'ts took extra measures to stop kidnappers armed with AKs.
It is different because Buxton is a village in the state and agencies of the state should be arrayed against whomever threatens the state. There is no imperative to use mercenaries or drug lords in private justice outside the law. Then you are (if it can be proven to be the case) unfit for office.


Look at the history of this country and you will discover all kinds of devious methods were used by gov't to protect the state. A Buxton Village in the US would be targetted by drones or by any other means.
The Move group was attacked in PHiladelphia leaving many dead and over 60 buildings destroyed. The attack on the Branch Davidian compound in WACO snuffed out the lives of many innocent children. The State was not under major threat yet the US was reckless in handling the situation.
Billy Ram Balgobin
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Originally posted by Billy Ram Balgobin:
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Originally posted by D2:
quote:
Originally posted by Billy Ram Balgobin:
I see this attack as no different from the extra-judicial attacks on Buxton by the Phantoms. In both cases, gov'ts took extra measures to stop kidnappers armed with AKs.
It is different because Buxton is a village in the state and agencies of the state should be arrayed against whomever threatens the state. There is no imperative to use mercenaries or drug lords in private justice outside the law. Then you are (if it can be proven to be the case) unfit for office.


Look at the history of this country and you will discover all kinds of devious methods were used by gov't to protect the state. A Buxton Village in the US would be targetted by drones or by any other means.
The Move group was attacked in PHiladelphia leaving many dead and over 60 buildings destroyed. The attack on the Branch Davidian compound in WACO snuffed out the lives of many innocent children. The State was not under major threat yet the US was recklhss in handling the situation.
The incident at waco did not involve extrajudicial intent with mercenaries in charge. It involved state agents trying to serve a warrant who were fired on. They state did not set the fire that resulted in the deaths of the Davidians. MOVE involved a mayor allowing the police to firebomb the Osage house there the people lived and the fire got out of hand . Neither incident involved the hiring of drug lords to murder citizens.
FM
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Originally posted by Abu Jihad:
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Awalaki was planning murders and was implicated in other terrorist action. He got what he deserved.

So is Buxton, man you letting me down.
Wa rang wid you brain lately.
RK was no officer of the law but a Drug kingpin. Buxton is not in the backwater region of Recife but a neighborhood adjoining the Capital city. The necessity here was to use agencies of he state to counter attacks on the state.
FM
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Originally posted by Henry:
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Originally posted by D2:
Awalaki was planning murders and was implicated in other terrorist action. He got what he deserved.
And you know this how? You are more than happy to execute people based on unproven allegations, until it is your turn.
I am happy the bastard is dead and quite satisfied with the evidence presented that he was an agent of terror. I am also sure that the state would not spend millions to kill a man who is innocent.
FM
You remind me of the term " Double Face Charlie" yippie yippie
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Originally posted by D2:
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Originally posted by Henry:
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Originally posted by D2:
Awalaki was planning murders and was implicated in other terrorist action. He got what he deserved.
And you know this how? You are more than happy to execute people based on unproven allegations, until it is your turn.
I am happy the bastard is dead and quite satisfied with the evidence presented that he was an agent of terror. I am also sure that the state would not spend millions to kill a man who is innocent.
Nehru
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Originally posted by D2:
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Originally posted by Abu Jihad:
quote:
Awalaki was planning murders and was implicated in other terrorist action. He got what he deserved.

So is Buxton, man you letting me down.
Wa rang wid you brain lately.
RK was no officer of the law but a Drug kingpin. Buxton is not in the backwater region of Recife but a neighborhood adjoining the Capital city. The necessity here was to use agencies of he state to counter attacks on the state.


Who was that convicted Dominican Drug Lord from East NY, Brooklyn the US hired to track down Shukrajummah in Guyana posing as a Cuban Doctor?? The US use the Mafia to spy on MLK and many others who were fighting for a great cause.
Billy Ram Balgobin
quote:
Originally posted by Billy Ram Balgobin:
quote:
Originally posted by D2:
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Originally posted by Abu Jihad:
quote:
Awalaki was planning murders and was implicated in other terrorist action. He got what he deserved.

So is Buxton, man you letting me down.
Wa rang wid you brain lately.
RK was no officer of the law but a Drug kingpin. Buxton is not in the backwater region of Recife but a neighborhood adjoining the Capital city. The necessity here was to use agencies of he state to counter attacks on the state.


Who was that convicted Dominican Drug Lord from East NY, Brooklyn the US hired to track down Shukrajummah in Guyana posing as a Cuban Doctor?? The US use the Mafia to spy on MLK and many others who were fighting for a great cause.
One can use any means to get enemies of the state planning to kill citizens of the state if they are outside the reach of the law. Surveillance of MLK did not kill him.
FM
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Who was that convicted Dominican Drug Lord from East NY, Brooklyn the US hired to track down Shukrajummah in Guyana posing as a Cuban Doctor?? The US use the Mafia to spy on MLK and many others who were fighting for a great cause.
One can use any means to get enemies of the state planning to kill citizens of the state if they are outside the reach of the law. Surveillance of MLK did not kill him.



So, you are telling us that it was okay for the US to use organized crime to gather intelligence on American citizens?

Why is illegal for the Guyanese gov't to use whatever necessary against enemies of the states who killed innocent citizens?
Billy Ram Balgobin
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Originally posted by Billy Ram Balgobin:
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Who was that convicted Dominican Drug Lord from East NY, Brooklyn the US hired to track down Shukrajummah in Guyana posing as a Cuban Doctor?? The US use the Mafia to spy on MLK and many others who were fighting for a great cause.
One can use any means to get enemies of the state planning to kill citizens of the state if they are outside the reach of the law. Surveillance of MLK did not kill him.



So, you are telling us that it was okay for the US to use organized crime to gather intelligence on American citizens?

Why is illegal for the Guyanese gov't to use whatever necessary against enemies of the states who killed innocent citizens?
I do not know it happened even if in high probability it did but I am sure it was soundly criticized every which way and never accepted as good practice.

Check the oath of office and you will understand why, It does not speak of action outside the law but the imperative to work within the range and scope of the law.
FM
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Originally posted by Henry:
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Originally posted by D2:
One can use any means to get enemies of the state

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Originally posted by Hitler:
My motto is "Destroy him by all and any means."
I know, cast some one in the light of the absurd and hopefully it rubs off and you can derive some modicum of satisfaction. Let me state clearly, you are just being a conspiracy nutcase as usual. Because I said the above it my no way means I will agree with any action by the state, legal or not. I disagree even with some things deemed legal before the legislature and would hope legislation gives overage to some things deemed illegal presently. Meanwhile, I advise walking with in the law.
FM

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