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If the Republicans understood the principle of s starting somewhere first and then making changes we would not have had a 100% partisan vote for this legislation. Not having ANY Republican on board meant that they sabotaged its many parts that required their votes, for example, funding insurance loss when people who should have been in the market did not. Republicans needed to be part of fixing what is necessarily growing pains for this complex legislation, and not sabotage it like being under big pharma clutches and keeping prscription drugs high.

 

Economic growth

I believe that the Bush fiscal stimulus following the 2008 housing and financial crash was (i) not large enough, and (ii) most of it went o bail out banks and keep States afloat financially. Thus little went into infrastructure projects. Obama's plea to Congress for more went abegging especially after the TEA party triumph in the 2010 mid-terms. We saw their antics like government shutdown, the sequestration and generally holding up measures that would have helped a more robust economic growth.

Syria

In spite of his success in removing Assad's gas weaponry (Russia destroyed these) without firing a shot, Obama's mandate to shut down wars needed the help of Middle East partners which did not happen for several reasons. First, the Bush-enabled Malaki government wanted the Americans out and they purged the Sunni military and officials who found a partner in the Al Qaeda breakaway headed by Al Bagdadi, thus incubating ISIS. ISIS became a phenomenon overnight after the Malaki soldiers dropped their American weapons and transports and flee from the sunni areas. It's not that the Obama administration did not see this coming (in spite of the JV remarks), but who could prefer for an abandonment like the Malaki Shiite soldiers. Then when the Shiite militias took over the Sunni villages and towns the Malaki forces ceded ground there. It was only after Malaki resigned that the americans were bcak in a special ops role and the tide turned against ISIS. Mosul is the only big part of Iraq left and it's about to start.

Turkey only wanted to bomb American allies Kurds in the border area as the Turks see Kurds as their existential enemies. The Saudis pulled out of the American coalition against ISIS after Iran became their main concern and they focused on the Houthis in Yemen. Jordan's approach is baffling especially after one of its pilot was burnt alive in a cage by ISIS.

The Russians also became a factor that under international law the Americans could do nothing about. they had a defense treaty with Syria and the Americans obviously were not invited in. Prior to that a no-fly zone (pursued by Hillary) might have helped but that was politically not possible with Republican and Democrats opposition for America to coninute financing a war that Arab regional powers should be doing. As long as the russians and Assad pummel the anti-Assad rebels and America concentrate on getting Kurds to be like the Iraqi army oftoday, then ISIS should be forced from Raqaa by the spring of next year, if not sooner.

 

There are tremendous areas of Obama successes, notably in turning around opinion in the rest of the world about America during the Bush era. He's tackled energy, the environment and institutionalized injustice against Blacks. He's brought back jobs and wages are finally rising. His public opinion rating is soon to touch the 60% mark. He sure would have regrets like nay other outgoing President.

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After a war...especially after winning in Iraq turned into a quagmire, americans are always leery of interventionism. Additionally, america was in an economic melt down given the wallstreets raided 3 trillion from the market and robbed ordinary americans some two thirds of their net worth. when Obama came in.

 

He turned the society around and rebuild faith at home so people can see above the water if but barely. He however neglected the reality that if america does not stand up no one will. Syria needed a no fly zone and a firm reliable red line.

 

I hope hillary orders the navy to bomb the hell out of Damascus. If they cannot feel the misery being meted out elsewhere they will never sit down at the table. Screw the Russians. and Iranians also. Create a safe zone and guard it Build viable communities and protect them. No one else will.

FM

Stormie, you're right to point out what is largely unsaid by the media and pundits - a yuuuge chunk of the greatest factor spurring growth was taken out of the American economy when Obama took over. Some economists argue it's more than $3 trillion of spending power was wiped out from consumers' pockets. Imagine you cannot use that money to spur demand by buying products.

I'll another dud Obama was handed - for the first time in American history the dependent population outnumbered the contributing population. So more entitlement spending and food stamps were the order of the day.

Here's another one - the 3 decades of pulling nuts and bolts out of the American economy (starting under Regan) to Asia and Latin America finally came home to roost....and bite Obama.

Can you imagine a housing bust (with a lot of homes valued less than the outstanding mortgages) along with a financial crash (more monies due to securities than were available in banks), plus a global recession facing you on your first day in office?

It is unimaginable the odds Obama had to fight to get back to ground level and now the economy is taking off for the next President. That's why it looks good for a 2-term Hillary Presidency - thanks to Obama...and boo to all those Democrats who ran away from Obama in the mid-terms. Then years from now when the young population would have had a stable jobs-and-income situation they will begin to buy-in to Obamacare and Big Pharma will be brought to heel and Obamacare will be an institution like Social Security and Medicare.

Kari
ba$eman posted:

Obama screw-ups will last a generation,

I am continuously amazed the extent to which the Indo KKK pretend that 2008 didn't exist, or fool themselves into a belief that the GOP left the USA in good shape in Jan 2009.  Or that their attempt to steal Iraqi oil (THAT was the motivation, no mass destruction nonsense) in 2003 doesn't have lasting impacts.

I happen to see Obama is a mediocre president.  His "success" more due to a cooperate Federal Reserve which kept interest rates low.

But give credit to the man. Bush drove this country into a ditch and Obama dragged us out. 

Now all of that "hope and change" and  other Kari stuff. Well let the man have a chance to engage in hero worshipping.

You cannot find ONE Obama screw up.  Don't say ISIS because if Bush didn't screw up Iraq we wouldn't have had that problem!

FM
caribny posted:
I happen to see Obama is a mediocre president.  His "success" more due to a cooperate Federal Reserve which kept interest rates low.

Spoken like the monetarist economist guru Milton Friedman of the Chicago school of supply-side trickle down economics - the holy grail of interest rates as a determinant of economic growth.

Wasn't it also low rates when Greenspan was the Fed Chief that was part of the financial and housing debacle of 2008?

Kari

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