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Originally Posted by Kari:
With the Iran nuclear Agreement soon to be ratified by Congress or its unlikely voted-down Bill vetoed by President Obama, he has sent a clear signal to Netanyahu and the Saudis that US strategic interest in the Mid-East has just changed.

The Iranians slowly will be a partner in the fight to rid the world of IS and bring stability to Iraq, Stria, Yemen, Gaza, etc.

 

Hey bro. Welcome back from "hajj." My compliments on the hajjin.

 

To the issue at hand. WTF makes you think that American strategic interests can change with a piece of useless paper?

 

The Saudis and the Israelis are pillars of American policy in the Middle East and will remain so until we can find a viable alternative source of energy to run our cars on.

 

AIPAC and the Saudis are entrenched in the Washington establishment and beyond. The Iranians are as influential as Guyana is in Washington. Which is to say not very.

FM
Originally Posted by Nehru:

The West have a way of controlling, gaming and confusing Third World Leaders.

 

Because Third World leaders are all prima donnas. They confuse protocol for power.

 

This is why wan PPP President thinks he can cuss out the Ambassador of the President of the United States because "me ah wan President too" forgetting of course that the President of the US is the most powerful sovereign on Earth while the President of Guyana has a smaller army and budget than a poor sparsely inhabited Southern county.

 

I remember wan Caribbean Chief Minister of a Crown Dependency complaining bitterly that he was not greeted by any formal ceremony when he arrived in London to parlay with the Queen's Ministers. Dis chap was really really upset that he had to take a taxi from the airport and had no 20-gun salute.

FM

Shaits, greetings from the land of coffee shops - I'm at the L'opera cafe in Rembrandt Square, Amsterdam.

 

Your understanding of US foreign policy interests in the Middle East lie somewhere south of the Equator - that is, in the space of the PPP brain trust - an oxymoron if ever there was one.

 

With the deal oil price dropped. Iran can influence events in Yemen, Syria, Iraq and Gaza more than Israel and Saudi Arabia can. Netanyahu disrespects US policies under Obama. The Saudis are duplicitous. Obama is keeping them both honest. That now have to play ball and guard the power forward on the elbow and free throw line.

 

Obama smartly bringing Cuba and now Iran from the cold; ended debilitating US military engagements, shepherded the nation through social changes - all through the last 2 years of  a Presidency that lost 2 mid-terms; after guiding the nation through a financial crisis and being an architect in landmark medical insurance.

Kari
Originally Posted by Sunil:

Fracking has been a game changer in the US, Saudi oil is no longer needed. The idea that Iran Shiites are radicals is nonsense. Apart from the Ayatollahs rhetoric most young Iranians are quite liberal and Westernized, more so than many Pakis I have know born in the UK.

Well, true, but it's a Western born Paki slashing the throats the of Westerners for ISIS.  But I agree, Iranian civilization is much more Western tan most in the ME.

FM

Obama made it clear in his 2008 campaign that he will speak to America's enemies with no preconditions. He made it clear in those early days that a more perfect Union should not be the enemy of the good, meaning that any measure (think Obama care for instance), while flawed should not be abandoned once it leads to somewhere. 

 

That, combined with his quote of the use of the power of American example rather than the example of American power make him an ardent disciple of diplomacy.

 

He was brilliant in bringing Iran to its knees with getting allies with much to lose to enforce crippling sanctions.

 

He unleashed Stuxnet which set back Iran's nuclear program. He got the Saudis to keep pumping oil while got lucky with US gas that kept oil prices low. 

 

So you see no military action, and Iran's nuclear ambitions are put on hold. 

 

With the Iranian population seeing possibilities the Mullahs could change.

 

Heck Obama could even start a Saudi-lranian Sunni-Shiite rapprochement.

 

Israeli-Palestinian peace next?

Kari
Originally Posted by Sunil:

Fracking has been a game changer in the US, Saudi oil is no longer needed. The idea that Iran Shiites are radicals is nonsense. Apart from the Ayatollahs rhetoric most young Iranians are quite liberal and Westernized, more so than many Pakis I know born in the UK.

Sunil as usual you are on the money.

Chief

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