How come RH High is such a low performing high school?

I had to visit John Adamhigh one day and most of the name of student s who were excelleing were West Indian sounding names.

Vishnu, who are the under performers in the RH high? Is it the Indo G's? What is the demographic of the school? Oftentimes the teachers are blamed for an entire host of social problems outside the school environment that they can not effectively address in the class room. But the city will not blame the parents, students or society, it is easier just to blame the teachers and administration. 

I found this as the breakout just in case CaribJ came along to further denigrate Indo's. Looks like the culprits may be a variety of races

Richmond Hill High School Enrollment By Race

The student body of Richmond Hill High School in Richmond Hill, Queens County, New York is made up of 5 ethnicities. The largest ethnic group of the 2918 students at Richmond Hill High School is Hispanic. This is followed by Asian (34.0 %), Black (16.0 %), White (2.4 %) and Indian (0.1 %).

The Hispanic count seems to be higher that reality.

Anyone who has even a remote connect to anything spanish is a Hispanic.

Parents are the chief culprits as they do not even attend Open school nor PTA meetings.

The school attendance is approx 80% in the main building and 95% in the Annex.

New students are trying but will be influence by the more matured students and are more so, with their poor conduct.

Majority of incoming students are poor or marginal performers from the local Junior High Schools.

The DOE is not providing sufficient funds to "make-up" for the necessary additional instructional time.

Where does the top performers go after Junior High, charter/magnet schools? It looks like RH high is a dumping ground for under-performers hence giving a skewed indication of the true statistics. 

High Performers always select the Top High Schools.

it starts with SHSAT  - their scores will place them with the top 10 High Schools.  Then the other high performers will select the next level high schools. 

The Charter Schools will mostly select the students with level  4s or 3s.

Majority of students in RHHS and John Adams are with Level 1s and 2s and definitely without Regents at their entrance.

These are community High Schools that need much more attention.  

Plus their parents do not response to any meeting or call their elected.  Generally with a population with 2000+ students, there are maximum of 20 parents on average at any PTA meetings.  It is a Sad Happening.

No Community leader nor Elected official pushing for no funding for these schools even though the Racino claims to get more than $100M to education......$0 comes to the impacted schools.  These schools are on the shadow of the Racino yet $0.......  

Well if grades 1 and 2 are funneled into RH high then the outcome should be no surprise. You can't expect teachers and principle to overcome when the deck is already stacked against them. In my town there is no concept of top performing high schools other than private schools which run at $25-30K per year, all the kids end up going to the same high school which serves to balance out the statistics. 

Who do you think that the Asians are?  In any case Vishnu can tell you that one cannot know for certain how many Indo Caribbean people are there.  If the person says that they are "other", and then writes in Guyanese, they are often assigned to non Hispanic black.  Some do not enter Asian as they have found out that Asians Indians do not consider them part of their community.

RH has a high Indo Caribbean community alongside its diverse Hispanic populations, because RH South Ozone has many of them.  It is likely that many IndoCarib kids have the same educational deficits that the black and Hispanic kids have.  I have long warned about those who jump up and down celebrating how well Caribbean kids are doing, merely because there are many who excel.  It is blatantly obvious that there re huge numbers of our kids (black and Indian) who are underperforming, and who are poorly positioned to succeed in a city which will not pay low skilled people a living wage.

So druggie you can continue your game of pretending that Indo CTarib people are better than Afro Caribs.  I am telling you that there are serious problems, especially among the youths, in BOTH communities.  To the extent that there is more discussion of this within the AfroCarib community places the IndoCarib kids who need help at a major disadvantage.

Just be grateful that there are people like Vishnu who are vocal about this problem, and aggressive in demanding that the City allocate resources to help the community to solve it.

Unless you claim that Guyanese do not send their kids to school, which is unlikely.

I have elected to be a parent/guardian first rather than a representative from an elected official's office.

The primary reason, I can call anyone within the DOE and demand answers.

So far I have contacted the Support Network Leaders, The Family Advocate Unit, the Superintendent, the Deputy Chancellor and Mayor Elect Bill de Blasio.

But we need the support of the community leaders; Muslim, Hindu, Punjabis, Christians, Civic, Cultural, Business and Social .

I guess if this has visibility and mainstream media coverage, we would see these "leaders" crawling out for their moment in the limelight.

Should the DOE continue with their trend then my only other option is to seek legal intervention.

IndoG's don't describe themselves as Asian and describing oneself as other does not place them into hispanic or asian. On application forms in the US, race checkbox is an option that allows one to describe their nationality, it is not up to the institution but rather the applicant. This is how the schools are able to track the racial demographics. Stop peddling your lies. Where did I mention that IndoCarib's are better than CaribBlacks?

You are the one fixated on such matters. There has been no reliable study to show which group is doing better in the US.  What is evident is that the majority of AfroCaribs in NJ tend to live in the worst towns, Orange, East Orange and Irvingtown, while the IndoG's start out in Newark, Jersey City and then gravitate to the suburbs.  The areas that IndoG's live, even in downtrodden towns is a well kept and rose among the thorns. The AfroCarib areas are normally rundown and crime ridden. Even in my town I see the AfroCaribs living on the poorer sections of town. Now I don't know if this is an indication of the trend but this is my perception and that of a lot of others.  

Folks,

This situation in Richmond Hill must not be polarized and polluted with the Guyana politics.

We have a community at risk .

All hands on deck, please

Vish, In as much as I agree with you, it is sickening to see the attitude and behaviour of some of the Students from that School. I fought the City year after year NOT to have my Kids sent there. They all went to Edison, Bronx and the HS at arou238 and Hillside.

Nehru,

A parent, like you and many who are conscious, will always push to get their children to the highest level.

Many parents, majority, are not aware of how to deal with the DOE and becomes frustrated with the system and resign in acceptance.

Richmond Hill and John Adams have a high concentration of Caribbean students with a predominate Indo Caribbean student-count.

The Census race selection is limited with regards to the identity of Indo or Afro Caribbean, hence we get the following:

Indo Caribbean

Indo Guyanaese

Afro Caribbean

West Indian

Black

Guyanese

Trinidadian

Jamaican

Asian

West Indian

South Asian

and many more categories

As a result, we are classified as Black, Asian or other.

The reality, we have an Indo Caribbean, South Asian and Punjabi population that is probable the majority in the local high schools in Richmond Hill

Please call Elaine Gorman at 212 374 2446 DOE Portfolio 

Please advise her of your opposition put our children in Trailers and compromising our children and community by try to add a New High School for all of Queens at our expense.

There was a meeting to protest the moving of students etc. How many parents turned out to the meeting? Mind you there are more than 3,000 students there. 

there were approximately 20 parents.

You claim that you do not wail that Indo Caribs are better off and then you rant about how bad AfroCaribs are.

Clearly druggie there is no way that IndoGuyanese account for less than 1% of the kids there.  They are definitely included mainly in the Asian, and some also in either black or Hispanic, depending on how those who collect statistics classify some one who writes down Guyanese.

Well folks I attended the PEP meeting in Manhattan tonite.

There were 5 proposals to be voted ON.

3 Schools from the Bronx and 2 from Queens.

I was the ONLY parent at this crucial and critical vote. This was for all of the above schools.

I arrived at 6:29 PM, sign-in time is from 5:30 thru 6:30 PM.

I was totally shocked to be informed that I will be the first and only one to speak.

At the PEP meeting, it was chaired by the current Chancellor Dennis Walcott and had about 24 others panelist on the stage at the High School for Fashion 225 W 24th St.

The DOE did it again as there were not community interest to be served by having the meeting in Manhattan. This was a deliberate effort to further alienate the parents from the decisioning process.

RHHS was the subject for much discussion.

Its late and I will add more tomorrow

There is no "clearly", the facts are the facts, IndoGuyanese don't describe themselves as Asian, they are more likely to described as Indian. The numbers are not arbitrary, it is based on what is written on the application forms. hahahaah

Richmond Hill HS need its own SWAT team on stand by on any school days. How can parents be of any help to these kids when they going to school to make love, and every word they speak is fu*ck.

At the end of the day, these are many of the kids that will be our future.

Please do not write off all as there are many who are trying to "survive and surface"

I took 15 students from SAYA and RHHS last week to observe Universal Children Day at the Peace Institute. They were just wonderful, I was proud to be a part of their life experience.

There were several Bangladeshi and Pakistani students within this group. Their presentation about their experiences in their home countries was riveting.  They were all ecstatic about belonging to RHHS. Two of the senior had SAT scores of 1800+.

Let us kindle their fire and provide an environment for them to flourish and prosper and become more respectful.

Happy Thanksgiving to all

There are "points of light" emanating from RHHS

Vish, I am so happy to hear this. Keep working with them so that they could be the LIGHT at RHHS darkness. I congratulate you Bhai.

Thanks for trying and having hope for these children, Vishnu. I may be too old fashion to understand these kids today. It's a good thing I never turn out to be a school teacher because I may be in jail by now for whipping them senselessly.  

Restraint! My good fella.

I am concerning a legal intervention to stop these assaults on our community

What are clearly the fact druggie?

That Indo Guyanese no longer live in RH? Because that is what you imply. the

You are being your usual asinine self.  The census doesnt care how Guyanese chose to describe themselves.  It assigns Guyanese to categories which fit its census boxes.  Indeed the .1% "Indian" might refer to Native Americans.  People of East and South Asian descent are described as "Asian".

The complicating issue for Indo Caribbean people is that they might not check the "Asian" box, but might check the "other" box and write in Guyanese or Trinidadian.  They might then be categorized as "non Hispanic black".  If they write in South American they will then be dumped into the Hispanic box.

But what the census does not do is have an "Asian" box and an "Indian" box.  Indians are a subset of the Asian category.

The school is under the control of the DOE which will use the generally accepted ways of allocating people to these broad ethnic categories.

So please do not make yourself look like a moron by implying that RH high school is being swamped by a large number of Chinese and Koreans.

Folks,

Lets focus on what is ahead.

What can be done to assist these students?

Please keep this post clear and positive

Noticed that after I posted 

"please keep this post clear and positive"

It should read

Clean and Positive.

Well there you have it druggie.

The statistics speak for itself,  we can not rely on perception from Vishnu. 

Three questions for you.

1. Where do IndoCaribbean kids go to school if substantial numbers aren't at this school?  Its not as if the other nearby schools are any better.

2. Why will Vishnu care if there are only Punjabi kids in that school?

3.  Why are you so dense that you don't understand "Indian" means "Indian/Native American", and Asian includes any one whose ancestry is from that continent, however they describe it.  So if a Guyanese Indian writes "Indian" he is put in the "Asian" box.  If he writes "Guyanese" he is put into the "non Hispanic black/African American box", as Guyanese aren't classified as Hispanics and so are lumped with other Non Hispanics, who are presumed to be black.  So yes druggie VM is most likely correct when he says that the IndoCaribbean population is most likely UNDER counted.

Now clean out your BBQ and leave discussing urban issues to people who know what they are talking about.

Is there any support on this forum if  legal action is taken on the NYC DOE for the dis-respect and creating an environment fostering poor educational opportunities?