Why the need for such militia, to bolster a Military Rule Government.

If the government feels it's necessary then it is. The PNC is not the PPP who drink milk and fart whole day. They believe in military and discipline. Indians should consider joining the Militia rather than drinking rum on the street corner and troubling people's daughters. 

I serve two years in the National Service of Guyana.

kp posted:

Why the need for such militia, to bolster a Military Rule Government.

A militia is better than a standing army for a small country like Guyana. Why are they asking questions? The GPM has always been open to all Guyanese and has included all Guyanese. The regional trainers were always as mixed. The PPP should examine their own brainwashing of indos to understand the deficiency of their ethnic group in the military.

Meh mattie coolie meck meh hand fall. They continue to show weakness and fear. Gandhi died many moons ago. His philosophy of non-violence is no longer valid in today's world. Guyanese much think like Guyanese and cut the bullshit they going on with. Now, this white rass putagees woman want to ask questions in Parliament. Them ain't got nothing better to do. 

antabanta posted:

kp posted:

Why the need for such militia, to bolster a Military Rule Government.

A militia is better than a standing army for a small country like Guyana. Why are they asking questions? The GPM has always been open to all Guyanese and has included all Guyanese. The regional trainers were always as mixed. The PPP should examine their own brainwashing of indos to understand the deficiency of their ethnic group in the military.

The GPM was incorporated into GDF as a reserve battalion. Reservists are not full time soldiers. What's the rationale for making them a separate entity again? The biggest difference between Militias and Regular Army besides part time vs full time is one reports directly to the Army Command and the other is regional. That's why a lot of the time you see "Local" in front of militia. We don't have separate regional governments. The militia will have a separate chain of command reporting ultimately the President/commander in chief. It's a waste of time and money. Keep them as reservists. 

Prince posted:

If the government feels it's necessary then it is. The PNC is not the PPP who drink milk and fart whole day. They believe in military and discipline. Indians should consider joining the Militia rather than drinking rum on the street corner and troubling people's daughters. 

I serve two years in the National Service of Guyana.

I agree, Indians should apply and flood this.  When the first GPM was formed jagan was advised to send his people in.  He refused as it was deemed supporting the PNC.  

I have a feeling they will punt again. 

kp posted:

Why the need for such militia, to bolster a Military Rule Government.

Pata mouth, why the PPP did not initiate something similar and ensure adequate PPP representation rather than crying that Blackman got the guns.  

GTAngler posted:

antabanta posted:

kp posted:

Why the need for such militia, to bolster a Military Rule Government.

A militia is better than a standing army for a small country like Guyana. Why are they asking questions? The GPM has always been open to all Guyanese and has included all Guyanese. The regional trainers were always as mixed. The PPP should examine their own brainwashing of indos to understand the deficiency of their ethnic group in the military.

The GPM was incorporated into GDF as a reserve battalion. Reservists are not full time soldiers. What's the rationale for making them a separate entity again? The biggest difference between Militias and Regular Army besides part time vs full time is one reports directly to the Army Command and the other is regional. That's why a lot of the time you see "Local" in front of militia. We don't have separate regional governments. The militia will have a separate chain of command reporting ultimately the President/commander in chief. It's a waste of time and money. Keep them as reservists. 

The GPM became 2nd brigade in the GDF and promptly stopped training reservists. In effect, it was shutdown by the PPP, not incorporated. There has not been any recruitment of reservists or training for a while.

Any militia is completely separate from any standing army, with different objectives, operational procedures, etc., and should be treated as such. How is it a waste of time and money? The militia can serve Guyana better than a large standing army.

I never knew Jagan refuse to have Indians joint the army or people’s militia.

indians suffer abuse by the hands of Africans when it was compulsory as part of their education curriculum during Burnham days . That stigma has left a scorn on Indians hence their refusal to be part of the army or militia.

there were a few Indians who joint the army after ppp won and was subject to pressure form blacks - was this part of Congress place direction . 

Regarding the People’s Militia .. yes PNC is recruiting hundreds of young people who are in training in Linden . My wife cousin children has joint the militia. They were scoop up and promise lots of stuff as they were brain wash with big money coming from the promise treasure of oil.

So far no one seems to be addressing the fact that Guyana does NOT need a Militia. What I am seeing is the suggestion that the PPP should have initiated something at this level and if this is brought back, Indos should apply in numbers to ensure "proper representation". What are we preparing for, a civil war? Do any of you really think Indo Guyanese are actually going to apply or join in the numbers you're hoping for? Even if they did, who do you think is accepting or denying applications? 

Baseman posted:

Prince posted:

If the government feels it's necessary then it is. The PNC is not the PPP who drink milk and fart whole day. They believe in military and discipline. Indians should consider joining the Militia rather than drinking rum on the street corner and troubling people's daughters. 

I serve two years in the National Service of Guyana.

I agree, Indians should apply and flood this.  When the first GPM was formed jagan was advised to send his people in.  He refused as it was deemed supporting the PNC.  

I have a feeling they will punt again. 

It’s easily said from the outside who’s Indian children should joint . If we set by example, then we arm ourself to call out other Indians . 

Dont you agree? 

antabanta posted:

GTAngler posted:

antabanta posted:

kp posted:

Why the need for such militia, to bolster a Military Rule Government.

A militia is better than a standing army for a small country like Guyana. Why are they asking questions? The GPM has always been open to all Guyanese and has included all Guyanese. The regional trainers were always as mixed. The PPP should examine their own brainwashing of indos to understand the deficiency of their ethnic group in the military.

The GPM was incorporated into GDF as a reserve battalion. Reservists are not full time soldiers. What's the rationale for making them a separate entity again? The biggest difference between Militias and Regular Army besides part time vs full time is one reports directly to the Army Command and the other is regional. That's why a lot of the time you see "Local" in front of militia. We don't have separate regional governments. The militia will have a separate chain of command reporting ultimately the President/commander in chief. It's a waste of time and money. Keep them as reservists. 

The GPM became 2nd brigade in the GDF and promptly stopped training reservists. In effect, it was shutdown by the PPP, not incorporated. There has not been any recruitment of reservists or training for a while.

Any militia is completely separate from any standing army, with different objectives, operational procedures, etc., and should be treated as such. How is it a waste of time and money? The militia can serve Guyana better than a large standing army.

First of all, no one said anything about a Large standing army. Second, what will be the role of a Militia in Guyana? What will their different objectives be? Who will they be paid by? To whom will they be reporting?

GTAngler posted:

antabanta posted:

GTAngler posted:

antabanta posted:

kp posted:

Why the need for such militia, to bolster a Military Rule Government.

A militia is better than a standing army for a small country like Guyana. Why are they asking questions? The GPM has always been open to all Guyanese and has included all Guyanese. The regional trainers were always as mixed. The PPP should examine their own brainwashing of indos to understand the deficiency of their ethnic group in the military.

The GPM was incorporated into GDF as a reserve battalion. Reservists are not full time soldiers. What's the rationale for making them a separate entity again? The biggest difference between Militias and Regular Army besides part time vs full time is one reports directly to the Army Command and the other is regional. That's why a lot of the time you see "Local" in front of militia. We don't have separate regional governments. The militia will have a separate chain of command reporting ultimately the President/commander in chief. It's a waste of time and money. Keep them as reservists. 

The GPM became 2nd brigade in the GDF and promptly stopped training reservists. In effect, it was shutdown by the PPP, not incorporated. There has not been any recruitment of reservists or training for a while.

Any militia is completely separate from any standing army, with different objectives, operational procedures, etc., and should be treated as such. How is it a waste of time and money? The militia can serve Guyana better than a large standing army.

First of all, no one said anything about a Large standing army. Second, what will be the role of a Militia in Guyana? What will their different objectives be? Who will they be paid by? To whom will they be reporting?

Very good questions. The opposition that’s is been paid by tax payers dollars should demand these answers and more. If it’s not forthcoming, then the opposition can scream .

All PNC card-carrying members will be the militia. Keep them happy.

skeldon_man posted:

All PNC card-carrying members will be the militia. Keep them happy.

Skelly, how fast you does run when you see black man? 

Prince posted:

skeldon_man posted:

All PNC card-carrying members will be the militia. Keep them happy.

Skelly, how fast you does run when you see black man? 

Were you a PNC card holder or still is.

Dem ROAR bais always seh PPP doan want abie mattie coolie join de army. Dem coolie peopkle will become independent spirit like me bai Mr Malcolm Haripal. Dem not will be bline slaves. 

skeldon_man posted:

All PNC card-carrying members will be the militia. Keep them happy.

DG still gat he PNC card. Would he be eligible to join the militia? 

GTAngler posted:

antabanta posted:

GTAngler posted:

antabanta posted:

kp posted:

Why the need for such militia, to bolster a Military Rule Government.

A militia is better than a standing army for a small country like Guyana. Why are they asking questions? The GPM has always been open to all Guyanese and has included all Guyanese. The regional trainers were always as mixed. The PPP should examine their own brainwashing of indos to understand the deficiency of their ethnic group in the military.

The GPM was incorporated into GDF as a reserve battalion. Reservists are not full time soldiers. What's the rationale for making them a separate entity again? The biggest difference between Militias and Regular Army besides part time vs full time is one reports directly to the Army Command and the other is regional. That's why a lot of the time you see "Local" in front of militia. We don't have separate regional governments. The militia will have a separate chain of command reporting ultimately the President/commander in chief. It's a waste of time and money. Keep them as reservists. 

The GPM became 2nd brigade in the GDF and promptly stopped training reservists. In effect, it was shutdown by the PPP, not incorporated. There has not been any recruitment of reservists or training for a while.

Any militia is completely separate from any standing army, with different objectives, operational procedures, etc., and should be treated as such. How is it a waste of time and money? The militia can serve Guyana better than a large standing army.

First of all, no one said anything about a Large standing army. Second, what will be the role of a Militia in Guyana? What will their different objectives be? Who will they be paid by? To whom will they be reporting?

Your questions suggest you don't know what you're talking about. How then did you conclude the GPM is unnecessary? I said something about a large standing army. I repeat, the militia can serve Guyana better than a large standing army. If you know nothing about the GPM, on what are your objections based?

GTAngler posted:

So far no one seems to be addressing the fact that Guyana does NOT need a Militia. 

You keep insinuating this without saying why. Why do you think Guyana does NOT need a militia?

antabanta posted:

GTAngler posted:

So far no one seems to be addressing the fact that Guyana does NOT need a Militia. 

You keep insinuating this without saying why. Why do you think Guyana does NOT need a militia?

The militia is a Para military force that is controlled by the PNC it's main purpose is to brain wash it's members . Chances are you cannot be a member of the opposition party and will be used as a requirement to get employment. This will be another method of the PNC to recruit new members. 

antabanta posted:

GTAngler posted:

So far no one seems to be addressing the fact that Guyana does NOT need a Militia. 

You keep insinuating this without saying why. Why do you think Guyana does NOT need a militia?

According to the definition of a militia, it is an armed civilian military force that can be called up to support the regular army during times of need.  Similar to the national guard in the US. Now why does Guyana need a militia again? Are they are war or danger of war?

Guyana People's Militia

The People's Militia was created in 1976 during a period of heightened tension along the Guyana-Venezuela border. Proposed by opposition leader Cheddi Jagan, the militia was envisioned as a more ethnically diverse force than the GDF, which it would replace. Jagan saw the militia as a popular organization that would have branches on every city block and in every village. The government agreed to form the People's Militia, but only as a supplemental security force. Militia members were to engage in their normal occupation until war broke out, at which point they would defend their communities and assist the regular forces.

The government intended the militia units to be autonomous and flexible enough to be self-supporting during emergencies. The militia's force level was set at 2,000. The government's stated goal was to make the militia a broad-based volunteer force. It was initially well received, and both Afro-Guyanese and Indo-Guyanese volunteered. However, preferential treatment of Afro-Guyanese led to an exodus of Indo-Guyanese volunteers. Heavy recruitment in PNC strongholds and sustained political indoctrination ensured that the People's Militia would be loyal to the PNC.

Training in the People's Militia consisted of foot drills for two hours twice a week, plus two Sundays every month. The militia was organized into nine districts, and training was carried out in each of the districts. Uniforms consisted of tan shirts, brown pants, boots, and berets. Members of the militia wore uniforms only during training or during combat. In times of emergency, the militia would be integrated into the GDF.

Writing in the Guyana Review in November 2008, Retired Brigadier David Granger had said that the Militia during its 20-year existence had proven to be a vital component of the defence system that allowed citizens to contribute to national security on a part-time basis without making a full-time commitment to military service. With the loss of autonomy and the depletion in its strength, however, the esprit de corps that was nourished for two decades dissipated.

He had said that many of the Militia’s inherent advantages were lost. Regions without reservists, for example, could no longer assist the regular force to secure porous borders and coastlines or provide organised labor in the event of natural disasters such as floods and other environmental hazards. Most of all, the social capital amassed by the morale and zeal that once motivated ordinary citizens to serve as soldiers and to sacrifice their leisure time to make their country safer seemed to have been squandered.

In 2015, Commander in Chief (CIC), His Excellency President David Granger announced the re-introduction of the National Cadet Corps which is aimed at enabling the nation’s youths to develop basic leadership skills and affording them the opportunity to learn more about and explore Guyana. He indicated that militarisation was not the focus but rather the provision of an environment for recreation and social growth.

Eighteen years after it was disestablished by the People’s Progressive Party Civic (PPPC)-led administration, the Guyana People’s Militia (GPM) was re-activated and hoped to recruit an additional 1,500 persons as reserves. Chief-of-Staff of the Guyana Defence Force, Brigadier Mark Phillips announced that the GPM has been re-established with effect December 1, 2015 in keeping with the defense policy of the six- month old civilian administration.

“These are not full-time, these are part-time soldiers. The whole concept is to have a small regular army and a larger reserve that could augment the regular army," he said.

Phillips explained the advantage of having the GPM as a separate entity rather than being part of the GDF as the 2nd Infantry Battalion since August, 1997. “They will have a separate budget and a separate organizational structure, greater involvement at the regional and community levels in defence and security activities, not to mention training and employment activities".

The Chief of Staff said several drill halls countrywide would be rehabilitated and Regional Companies would be strengthened through recruitment and the provision of more leadership training for officers and senior non-commissioned officers. “We have not done any major or sustained maintenance of basically all the infrastructures in the different regions and it is our intention to start focusing on that in 2016. We are not going to achieve everything in 2016 but we are going to start in 2016," he said.

The rebirth of the People’s Militia, as an important element to strengthen defense mechanisms was lauded by the Guyanese leader March 3, 2016. “The regular Force and the reserve force together must always be in a state of operational readiness and be capable of being deployed to any part of our country and also to fulfill any commitments we have in the Caribbean. The organizational changes which have been directed will ensure that the Defense Force within its financial limitations can adequately discharge its duties to defend Guyana."

During Guyana People’s Militia (GPM) “Teen Camp 2016, youths gained insights into Conflict Resolution, National Policy which included learned about the Members of Parliament and the various Ministries of the government. They were also taught basic military drills and fieldcraft, the use of silent signals in patrolling, survival techniques, the basics of jungle training including how to build shelters, traps, and various rope knots.

Ages 14 to 16, the participants can be drafted into the National Cadet Corps and as such the camp be seen as the formation of its nucleus.The participants were drawn from the various regions as follows: 30 from Region 4; 19 were from Region 5; 27 from region 6 and 26 from Region 10.

The Guyana People's Militia (GPM) observed Militia Day on 01 December 2016. As part of the activities for the observance, Officers of the GPM appeared on radio and television programmes, where they provided information on the history and development of the Militia, its recent re-establishment, its current programs, and projections for the future. On Saturday, December 3, the Officers and Reservists of the GPM participated in Route Marches in Regions 4, 6, and 10.

GDF Chief of Staff, Brigadier George Lewis, took the salute as the Region 4 Parade marched past on Irving Street. He also delivered the feature address to the troops following their assembly on the Sports Ground at Base Camp Ayanganna. In Region 6, the Platoon on parade was commanded by Lieutenant Jermaine Watson. New Amsterdam's Mayor, His Worship Kirt Wynter took the salute at Theatre Alley on Main Street, while the assembled ranks were addressed by Reserve Officer, Major Manesh Seeram.

Meanwhile, Linden's Mayor, His Worship Carwyn Holland, took the salute as the Militia contingent marched past. The troops were later addressed by Reserve Officer, Major Valmiki Singh. This is the first observance of Militia Day since the re-establishment of the Guyana People's Militia on December 1, 2015.

It was initially well received, and both Afro-Guyanese and Indo-Guyanese volunteered. However, preferential treatment of Afro-Guyanese led to an exodus of Indo-Guyanese volunteers. Heavy recruitment in PNC strongholds and sustained political indoctrination ensured that the People's Militia would be loyal to the PNC

Dave posted:

Baseman posted:

Prince posted:

If the government feels it's necessary then it is. The PNC is not the PPP who drink milk and fart whole day. They believe in military and discipline. Indians should consider joining the Militia rather than drinking rum on the street corner and troubling people's daughters. 

I serve two years in the National Service of Guyana.

I agree, Indians should apply and flood this.  When the first GPM was formed jagan was advised to send his people in.  He refused as it was deemed supporting the PNC.  

I have a feeling they will punt again. 

It’s easily said from the outside who’s Indian children should joint . If we set by example, then we arm ourself to call out other Indians . 

Dont you agree? 

I believe Guyana should make it mandatory for all able-bodied males to do two years in the military.

Baseman posted:

I believe Guyana should make it mandatory for all able-bodied males to do two years in the military.

how long have you had this 'position' . . .?

ronan posted:

Baseman posted:

I believe Guyana should make it mandatory for all able-bodied males to do two years in the military.

how long have you had this 'position' . . .?

Since I see how other small countries do it!

Baseman posted:

ronan posted:

Baseman posted:

I believe Guyana should make it mandatory for all able-bodied males to do two years in the military.

how long have you had this 'position' . . .?

Since I see how other small countries do it!

answer nah

ronan posted:

Baseman posted:

ronan posted:

Baseman posted:

I believe Guyana should make it mandatory for all able-bodied males to do two years in the military.

how long have you had this 'position' . . .?

Since I see how other small countries do it!

answer nah

Evolved over the past 20 or so years!

Baseman posted:

ronan posted:

Baseman posted:

ronan posted:

Baseman posted:

I believe Guyana should make it mandatory for all able-bodied males to do two years in the military.

how long have you had this 'position' . . .?

Since I see how other small countries do it!

answer nah

Evolved over the past 20 or so years!

kp posted:

antabanta posted:

GTAngler posted:

So far no one seems to be addressing the fact that Guyana does NOT need a Militia. 

You keep insinuating this without saying why. Why do you think Guyana does NOT need a militia?

The militia is a Para military force that is controlled by the PNC it's main purpose is to brain wash it's members . Chances are you cannot be a member of the opposition party and will be used as a requirement to get employment. This will be another method of the PNC to recruit new members. 

Haven't you already agreed that the PNC controls ALL the military and para-military in Guyana? Why would one more make a difference? Are you saying that the PNC, an afro-dominant party, needs to brainwash black people in Guyana to follow the PNC? So you're saying then that blacks don't automatically follow the PNC? Your bs has now reached the point of speculation.

Reeper posted:

antabanta posted:

GTAngler posted:

So far no one seems to be addressing the fact that Guyana does NOT need a Militia. 

You keep insinuating this without saying why. Why do you think Guyana does NOT need a militia?

According to the definition of a militia, it is an armed civilian military force that can be called up to support the regular army during times of need.  Similar to the national guard in the US. Now why does Guyana need a militia again? Are they are war or danger of war?

That same argument can be used to question the existence of the GDF. Every nation needs a defence force. I think Guyana would do better with a large militia (every citizen a soldier) and small standing army. It's difficult to overcome any nation where every citizen can take up arms in defence.

I have always been in favor of a strong military. Guyana needs to be able to defend itself. The problem is, we don't have the money. A reserve force is absolutely a necessity but it should be an arm of the GDF. A militia as I said before is a localized citizen army. We have less than a million people. One centralized government. We don't have state or provincial governments. Even the US National Guard reports first to the governor. 

I suppose a militia based on Malcolm Haripaul's model of a people's Militia not the model of the old PNC days. When eventually Guyana East Indians, Douglas and allies get their own sovereign country in the future then they should adopt a system of mass military training for the entire population based on the type of system that Israel has now. It serves to protect the nation from outside attacks and it also safeguards democracy internally.

antabanta posted:

Reeper posted:

antabanta posted:

GTAngler posted:

So far no one seems to be addressing the fact that Guyana does NOT need a Militia. 

You keep insinuating this without saying why. Why do you think Guyana does NOT need a militia?

According to the definition of a militia, it is an armed civilian military force that can be called up to support the regular army during times of need.  Similar to the national guard in the US. Now why does Guyana need a militia again? Are they are war or danger of war?

That same argument can be used to question the existence of the GDF. Every nation needs a defence force. I think Guyana would do better with a large militia (every citizen a soldier) and small standing army. It's difficult to overcome any nation where every citizen can take up arms in defence.

Especially when small poor countries can't afford some of the modern military equipment.

antabanta posted:

That same argument can be used to question the existence of the GDF. Every nation needs a defence force. I think Guyana would do better with a large militia (every citizen a soldier) and small standing army. It's difficult to overcome any nation where every citizen can take up arms in defence.

Not necessarily but a good point. An army is the norm in most countries, where it is mostly used as a political arm of the standing govt. However a backup civilian trained force is a bit far fetched for a small nation like Guyana. 

GTAngler posted:

I have always been in favor of a strong military. Guyana needs to be able to defend itself. The problem is, we don't have the money. A reserve force is absolutely a necessity but it should be an arm of the GDF. A militia as I said before is a localized citizen army. We have less than a million people. One centralized government. We don't have state or provincial governments. Even the US National Guard reports first to the governor. 

The GPM was structured differently. The training and recruitment were both coordinated centrally. It costs less than the standing army to maintain because the forces are part-time and receive a small stipend for their efforts. Training is done by regular army forces seconded to the GPM. It was/is in effect a centrally controlled reserve force.

Django posted:

antabanta posted:

That same argument can be used to question the existence of the GDF. Every nation needs a defence force. I think Guyana would do better with a large militia (every citizen a soldier) and small standing army. It's difficult to overcome any nation where every citizen can take up arms in defence.

Especially when small poor countries can't afford some of the modern military equipment.

Precisely. Perfect examples are Israel and Vietnam during the US invasion.

Prince posted:

skeldon_man posted:

All PNC card-carrying members will be the militia. Keep them happy.

Skelly, how fast you does run when you see black man? 

When you carry hot lead, there is no need to run from a black man, especially you. In Guyana, black men frikken coolies wid cutlass and palin staves.