Police should not have entered Parliament Chambers – Acting Top Cop.

December 16,2017

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Some of the policemen in parliament chambers on Monday trying to evict MP Juan Edghill

Police Commissioner (acting) David Ramnarine yesterday said that cops should not have entered Parliament Chambers on Monday in an incident which triggered a clash with PPP/C MPs and he said important lessons have been learnt.

Following a string of incidents which have raised concerns about security in Parliament, Ramnarine issued terse responses yesterday to each of them and said that the Guyana Police Force is   “satisfied that the security of Parliament in these times is assured”.

The entry of policemen into the Chambers on Monday following the refusal of PPP/C MP Juan Edghill to adhere to a ruling by Speaker, Dr Barton Scotland led to a melee after some of the junior police sought to have the MP removed. Some of the policemen ended up in a fracas with PPP/C MPs.

Stabroek News was told by a source that the lawmen who showed up in the Parliament Chambers on Monday, following the ruckus around Edghill, were summoned by a caller purporting to be acting on the instruction of the Clerk of the National Assembly Sherlock Isaacs.

The source noted that while the police were called to the chambers, they were not there to arrest anyone but to prevent a breach of peace.

Both Scotland and the Clerk have denied calling in the police. Stabroek News gathered that the call to the police was made to the commander’s office and it requested that Commander of ‘A’ Division Marlon Chapman visit Parliament Cham-bers. 

It was related that when Chapman entered Parliament Chambers, he spoke with Isaacs, former Attorney General Anil Nandlall and other opposition members of parliament in a bid to resolve the issue. However, it was explained by the source that before they could have resolved the issue a group of junior ranks stormed into the chambers and attempted to remove Edghill, who was seated and surrounded by fellow opposition of Members of Parliament. This then led to a brawl between the police and PPP/C MPs

It is believed that the junior ranks were instructed by an official who was outside of the parliamentary chambers to enter and remove Edghill.

While Chapman and senior police officers were standing to the side, about five  policemen dressed in blue approached Edghill and then attempted to forcibly remove him. At this point the situation in parliament escalated and it was Chapman, the source said, who ordered the junior ranks out of the chambers when the issue escalated.

Santa

Ramnarine also addressed the breach of security on December 8th when a woman dressed in a Santa suit entered  Parliament Chambers ringing a bell and bearing gifts believed to be for Opposition Leader Bharrat Jagdeo who was speaking at the time. The woman’s unannounced arrival clearly startled Speaker Scotland and left MPs confused. The Assistant Sergeant-at-Arms, who is responsible for the security of the Chamber, quickly held on to the woman, who had a dictionary in hand and led her back out.

However, despite the fact that presidential guards were standing there, no attempt was made to arrest her.

It appeared that with all the confusion, the security personnel did not know what to do and they kept inquiring from each other what was going on, while the woman managed to exit the compound through a back gate. Again police officers who were standing in the compound made no attempt to detain her. She made her way down Hadfield Street before turning right into High Street and disappearing from sight.

In his statement yesterday, Ramnarine cryptically said: “It is to be noted that there cannot be a security breach when an entry in whatever shape or form is authorised.  It is my view, after making the requisite enquiries, that this was no more than just a prank.”

Ramnarine’s statement would suggest that the woman dressed as Santa Claus had been given permission by someone in authority to enter and undertake the caper. Reports have said that the woman in question is connected to a politician. Ramnarine’s statement would suggest that the police are not pursuing this matter further. The opposition PPP/C had raised concerns about the intention of the Santa and others have argued that it is a gross breach of security for anyone to come off the street and be permitted to access Parliament Chambers. It is unclear if the police have questioned the persons associated with the prank.

Ramnarine addressed a third incident where two plainclothes policemen sat at the press table in Parliament Chambers on Wednesday pretending to be journalists. After complaints by journalists to the clerk, the one plainclothes policeman who was still at the table was asked to leave. It is unclear what they were doing there.

In his statement yesterday, Ramnarine disclosed that the seniors of the plainclothes police had been admonished and reprimanded over the incident.

“The third incident where two Police Officers found themselves `enjoying elite company’ gave the distinct impression that the police had not learnt anything from the previous incident and further aggravated the concerns about security of Parliament being breached.

“I wish to state that the two young plainclothes policemen were not properly nor thoroughly briefed and also did not follow the specific instructions given, for if they had, they would not have found themselves in the Chambers of Parliament.

“Their seniors have been admonished and reprimanded in this regard”, Ramnarine said.

On Thursday, there was another incident where a woman who had been admitted to the public gallery by parliamentary security began singing loudly.

Ramnarine said “The final incident, I hope this is indeed final, was really nothing near to a security breach, as the woman in question was permitted to enter the Public Viewing Gallery by security officials of Parliament Office Security”.

Ramnarine said that the police force in collaboration with its senior colleagues in the Joint Services, has reviewed and enhanced security arrangements in an around Parliament and is satisfied that the security of Parliament in these times is assured.

“Regrettably, and unfortunately, law enforcement officials can sometimes find themselves between a rock and a hard place and in these situations they have to contemplate, in a matter of seconds the ‘dammed if you do and dammed if you don’t’ philosophy of preventive policing”, the acting Commissioner stated.

The Santa who breached security last week Friday. No one seemed interested in apprehending her. 

Gilbakka posted:

Same thing I've been saying.

Django, please help me out with the FULL REPORT

Done.

This Government looking foolish by the minute.

Django posted:

Gilbakka posted:

Same thing I've been saying.

Django, please help me out with the FULL REPORT

Done.

Thanks, comrade.

Did they enter as Police or as private citizens and did they act on their own?

Mitwah posted:

Did they enter as Police or as private citizens and did they act on their own?

They were summoned as police by Ramjattan to arrest Edghill.

Bibi Haniffa posted:

Mitwah posted:

Did they enter as Police or as private citizens and did they act on their own?

They were summoned as police by Ramjattan to arrest Edghill.

Show the proof.

Django posted:

Bibi Haniffa posted:

Mitwah posted:

Did they enter as Police or as private citizens and did they act on their own?

They were summoned as police by Ramjattan to arrest Edghill.

Show the proof.

It's in several of these articles right here on GNI.  Plus - ("I know")!!!

Bibi Haniffa posted:

Mitwah posted:

Did they enter as Police or as private citizens and did they act on their own?

They were summoned as police by Ramjattan to arrest Edghill.

Nice try. 

Bibi Haniffa posted:

Django posted:

Bibi Haniffa posted:

Mitwah posted:

Did they enter as Police or as private citizens and did they act on their own?

They were summoned as police by Ramjattan to arrest Edghill.

Show the proof.

It's in several of these articles right here on GNI.  Plus - ("I know")!!!

I have a feeling you are making that up.

Bibi Haniffa posted:

Django posted:

Bibi Haniffa posted:

Mitwah posted:

Did they enter as Police or as private citizens and did they act on their own?

They were summoned as police by Ramjattan to arrest Edghill.

Show the proof.

It's in several of these articles right here on GNI.  Plus - ("I know")!!!

Tell us about your Bonus. 

Tell us about your Bonus. 

Django, Mitwah asking you a question.

Chief posted:

This Government looking foolish by the minute.

You looking even more FOOLISH and SLAVISH by being their supporter BUT I do not expect you to grasp that.

Nehru posted:

Chief posted:

This Government looking foolish by the minute.

You looking even more FOOLISH and SLAVISH by being their supporter BUT I do not expect you to grasp that.

This is the bullshit that makes people upset. Why is it when those of us who backed the govt speak against them when they make stupid moves, are made to look bad? Is it not better than for us to stand quiet as some of you morons who backed the PPP did when they made errors while in govt?

But I do not expect a foolish  jackass as yourself to grasp that.

cain posted:

Nehru posted:

Chief posted:

This Government looking foolish by the minute.

You looking even more FOOLISH and SLAVISH by being their supporter BUT I do not expect you to grasp that.

This is the bullshit that makes people upset. Why is it when those of us who backed the govt speak against them when they make stupid moves, are made to look bad? Is it not better than for us to stand quiet as some of you morons who backed the PPP did when they made errors while in govt?

But I do not expect a foolish  jackass as yourself to grasp that.

iF YOU HAD A BRAIN YOU WOULD REALISE YOU are foolish AND slavish. bUT THEN AGAIN A filth head IS A filth head!!!

Dude do us all a favour and stay far away from discussions, maybe you can keep yourself busy by pumping your organ.

Mitwah posted:

Did they enter as Police or as private citizens and did they act on their own?

Mits, are you suggesting that it is possible that private citizens would be wearing police uniforms and be allowed to enter parliament? Never thought about that!

Guyana needs a total overhaul. Such a shame a beautiful country being wrecked by ignorant people. 

Many people supported the AFC because they genuinely wanted a change in government because of the excesses of the PPP government. They wanted a better Guyana and had faith that the AFC in the coalition would guarantee that outcome. Now, they are finding out different and are criticizing the coalition when they screw up, which is often.

It is counter productive for those who who had and still support the PPP to heap scorn on those peopler to continually remind them of their original position. Instead, their criticism of the coalition should be welcomed and should indicate to others that they, the supporters of the AFC do not slavishly follow their political choice.

cain posted:

Guyana needs a total overhaul. Such a shame a beautiful country being wrecked by ignorant people. 

I totally agree that the human element is the critical part of the solution. We can change the constitution as much as we want and someone can come along and bastardize  the whole thing.

Zed posted:

Mitwah posted:

Did they enter as Police or as private citizens and did they act on their own?

Mits, are you suggesting that it is possible that private citizens would be wearing police uniforms and be allowed to enter parliament? Never thought about that!

I thought the video show them wearing regular plain clothes and not uniforms.

Some will continue to be naive and stupid. They are no different than Trump Rednecks!!!!!!

Nehru posted:

Some will continue to be naive and stupid. They are no different than Trump Rednecks!!!!!!

Do you want me to tell you to shut you rass for Christmas? keep all you story to all you self nah.  

Trump is a *****! Punanai Grabber, SExist PIG, Racist PIGS LIAR!!!

Nehru posted:

Trump is a *****! Punanai Grabber, SExist PIG, Racist PIGS LIAR!!!

Guyana problems are not enough for you guys.   Use your voting power to get him out if he and Granger are the same.

Mitwah posted:

Zed posted:

Mitwah posted:

Did they enter as Police or as private citizens and did they act on their own?

Mits, are you suggesting that it is possible that private citizens would be wearing police uniforms and be allowed to enter parliament? Never thought about that!

I thought the video show them wearing regular plain clothes and not uniforms.