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in Courts, News, Politics December 31, 20185 Comments

 

Left to right: Attorney General, Basil Williams, then Solicitor General Kim Kyte, and Queens Counsel Hal Gallop and Ralph Thorne speak with the media outside the Chief Justice, Roxane George-Wiltshire’s Courtroom after her decision.

Attorney General Basil Williams on Monday insisted that all percentages of parliamentary votes must be rounded up, in stark contrast to what experts in the United States and Norway have stated.

He also believes that challenging the 33 to 32 vote in favour of the opposition-sponsored no-confidence motion on the constitutional grounds that then government parliamentarian Charrandas Persaud is a Canadian citizen would not adversely impact several government parliamentarians who are also foreign citizens.

Williams told the media “I don’t need to” hire mathematicians to determine what is an absolute majority in Guyana’s 65-member National Assembly, even as he insisted that all percentages must be rounded up to the next whole number. “The majority formula is always half plus one whether it is an even number or whether it is an odd number,” said the Attorney General.

Remarking that mathematics has always been a problem in Guyana, Williams added that “the formula cuts across so whether it is an odd or even number, it is still half plus one.”

Political Science Professor, Keith Dougherty (University of Georgia photo)

However, University of Georgia’s Political Scientist Dr. Keith Dougherty – who has co-authored a number of publications on parliamentary majorities and voting matters with Florida International University’s Mathematician Dr. Julian Edward – insisted that 33 is the absolute majority of the elected members of Guyana’s National Assembly. “If there are 65 eligible voting members of the House, an absolute majority should be 33. That is more than half of the eligible members. Note, the compliment (those not voting for no confidence) is 32 members, which is less than 33,” Dougherty said.

Referring to the Attorney General’s Legal Memorandum to House Speaker Dr. Barton Scotland, Professor Dougherty  stated that “absolute majorities are based on eligible voters not who attends.” He agreed with Attorney General Williams that the next whole number after 32.5 and the next highest whole number would be 33 but disagreed that another vote has to be added to make it 34. “This statement is correct. The next highest whole number is 33. Adding an additional 1 to get 34, as stated later in the paragraph, is abnormal in all the cases I have studied — mostly in Europe and the United States,” he told Demerara Waves Online News.

Dougherty said the the size of the coalition (one government MP voting with the opposition) does not affect the voting procedure. ” With that switch government would no longer have an absolute majority, nor a simple majority,” he has already said.

Mathematics Professor, Julian Edward.

Professor Edward, in his response to Demerara Waves Online News, noted that himself and Professor Dougherty “have written several papers on majority rule, and we always assumed absolute majority for 65 members should be 33. “I find the logic leading to 34 being the definition to be strange and inconsistent with the generic definition of majority,” he said.

Norwegian Political Scientist at the University of Oslo, Dr. Bjørn Erik Rasch, in his writing on Parliamentary Voting Procedures, states that “Absolute majority is thus a slightly more demanding rule than simple majority: To be accepted, an option needs positive support from more than half of the assembly. If each and every legislator has strict preferences and participates in voting, simple and absolute majority amounts to the same. As participation decreases, the hurdle represented by absolute majority may seem to increase,” he said.

The Attorney General says he is relying on a battery of lawyers including Guyanese Senior Counsel Rex McKay, and Stephen Fraser, and Barbadian Queen’s Counsel, Ralph Thorne and Hal Gallop to strike down the 33 votes for the no-confidence motion.

Williams has also argued that Persaud’s vote should be scrapped because it is unconstitutional by virtue of the fact that he is a Canadian citizen. The Attorney General brushed aside suggestions that several other parliamentarians, including those on the government side, might have to resign or be removed because they are foreign citizens.

AFC DEFECTOR: Charrandass Persaud.

“The only issue before the courts would be Charrandas. No other MPs (Members of Parliament) are before the Court,” he said. Pressed on whether other lawmakers, who are foreign nationals, would continue to serve, he said,”that’s a situation that will have to be addressed but right now the only issue before the court is Charrandas.”

Williams deflected further questions to Senior Counsel McKay, while conceding that Guyana’s Constitution prohibits dual citizenship.

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"Remarking that mathematics has always been a problem in Guyana.... "

What does the hell does that mean....people cant count in Guyana?????

What happen to the case where Ramjattan was looking into the bribery case?....they might have a better chance here.....

V
Ray posted:

PNC Basil like some of his followers on GNI better than these guys...ask Django and Ronan

HEHEHE Shameless PRICKS!!!  What a World of lies, ignorance and plain stupidity they live in.

Nehru

I still don’t understand what they don’t understand.  They ruled with 33, they passed laws with 33, they made national decisions with 33.  Now the shoes on the other foot, 33 is not enough!

There are 65, 33 is absolute. 32.5 is an irrelevant and an artificial goal post!

FM
Nehru posted:
Ray posted:

PNC Basil like some of his followers on GNI better than these guys...ask Django and Ronan

HEHEHE Shameless PRICKS!!!  What a World of lies, ignorance and plain stupidity they live in.

Femininity takes over.

Django
Baseman posted:

I still don’t understand what they don’t understand.  They ruled with 33, they passed laws with 33, they made national decisions with 33.  Now the shoes on the other foot, 33 is not enough!

There are 65, 33 is absolute. 32.5 is an irrelevant and an artificial goal post!

Bhai, look at article 168 of the Constitution.

Django
Django posted:
Baseman posted:

I still don’t understand what they don’t understand.  They ruled with 33, they passed laws with 33, they made national decisions with 33.  Now the shoes on the other foot, 33 is not enough!

There are 65, 33 is absolute. 32.5 is an irrelevant and an artificial goal post!

Bhai, look at article 168 of the Constitution.

Ayuh deh pon sheer stupidness. Mekkin up rules along the way!

FM
Baseman posted:
Django posted:
Baseman posted:

I still don’t understand what they don’t understand.  They ruled with 33, they passed laws with 33, they made national decisions with 33.  Now the shoes on the other foot, 33 is not enough!

There are 65, 33 is absolute. 32.5 is an irrelevant and an artificial goal post!

Bhai, look at article 168 of the Constitution.

Ayuh deh pon sheer stupidness. Mekkin up rules along the way!

The Quorum is one third of all the elected members of National Assembly.

How many members should make it up ?

Django
Baseman posted:

I still don’t understand what they don’t understand.  They ruled with 33, they passed laws with 33, they made national decisions with 33.  Now the shoes on the other foot, 33 is not enough!

There are 65, 33 is absolute.

32.5 is an irrelevant and an artificial goal post!

Correct with 33.

FM

Hey Django, Your business suppliers will love you if you apply the same format on their invoice.

And don't say it's different in business, cause in another posted to Kaz, you asked what is half of $65 million. 

FM
Django posted:
Baseman posted:
Django posted:
Baseman posted:

I still don’t understand what they don’t understand.  They ruled with 33, they passed laws with 33, they made national decisions with 33.  Now the shoes on the other foot, 33 is not enough!

There are 65, 33 is absolute. 32.5 is an irrelevant and an artificial goal post!

Bhai, look at article 168 of the Constitution.

Ayuh deh pon sheer stupidness. Mekkin up rules along the way!

The Quorum is one third of all the elected members of National Assembly.

How many members should make it up ?

Run hey, run deh, run up, down, run in, out, 33 is an absolute majority of 65!

FM
Baseman posted:
Django posted:
Baseman posted:
Django posted:
Baseman posted:

I still don’t understand what they don’t understand.  They ruled with 33, they passed laws with 33, they made national decisions with 33.  Now the shoes on the other foot, 33 is not enough!

There are 65, 33 is absolute. 32.5 is an irrelevant and an artificial goal post!

Bhai, look at article 168 of the Constitution.

Ayuh deh pon sheer stupidness. Mekkin up rules along the way!

The Quorum is one third of all the elected members of National Assembly.

How many members should make it up ?

Run hey, run deh, run up, down, run in, out, 33 is an absolute majority of 65!

Bro, tell nah how much members make up a quorum.

Django
Dave posted:

Hey Django, Your business suppliers will love you if you apply the same format on their invoice.

And don't say it's different in business, cause in another posted to Kaz, you asked what is half of $65 million. 

Bhai, don't i know dollars and cents good, the calculator in my head. I missed kaz post have to check it out.

Django
Last edited by Django
Django posted:
Dave posted:

Hey Django, Your business suppliers will love you if you apply the same format on their invoice.

And don't say it's different in business, cause in another posted to Kaz, you asked what is half of $65 million. 

Bhai, don't i know dollars and cents good, the calculator in my head. I missed kaz post have to check it out.

The heat is on, watch yo self...  you may take of naked down the street  

FM
Django posted:
Nehru posted:

Base, how DUMB can these people get?? Well, it is a level of DUMBNESS this planet has never seen!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

We know maths isn't your forte.

HEHEHEHEHEHE HAHAHAHAHA  Donkey teaching Math now  32>33 

Nehru
ksazma posted:

The absolute majority of an odd number used to be very clear until the PNC got involved.

You see story there by the struggling PNCR/APNU/AFC.

For the past three years they maintained that 33 is a majority hence they govern Guyana and pass lots of legislation in parliament.

Now, they are saying that 33 is NOT a majority, but staying on as the government.

FM

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