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The Alliance For Change (AFC) appeared to have used the ongoing controversy over Minister of State, Joseph Harmon to address an imbalance in power between the Cabinet and the Presidency, political scientists said Thursday.

Political Scientist, Dr. David Hinds observed that the AFC had negotiated the numerical allocation of seats in the Cummingsburg Accord but failed to discuss the assignment of power. After the AFC secured key ministries such as Public Security, Agriculture, Public Infrastructure and Public Security, he said the  People’s National Congress Reform (PNCR)- the largest partner in A Partnership for National Unity and the entire coalition- concentrated power in the Presidency. “I think if the Cabinet is allowed to exercise as much power as it should, the AFC would be allowed to exercise a lot of power and so I think what we have is the Ministry of the Presidency as a counter-weight against the AFC’s influence in the traditional cabinet so what is happening is the cabinet now becomes a kind of balancer against the AFC’s control of the Cabinet,” he told Demerara Waves Online News.

“When you have a one-party government the two parts of the executive works more harmoniously. But in the case of a coalition this is not necessarily the case. I would say that in the present government, the cabinet is the junior partner insofar as actual wielding of power is concerned,” he said.

The United States-based Political Scientist believes that the David Granger-led administration will be hesitant to give into the AFC’s call for the Minister of State to be stripped of several of his responsibilities. “When you shift those away from him, do you give them to the Prime Minister or so? I think they are going to be hesitant to do that. I think they would want to keep those things under the control of the Presidency… Even if they take some of those from Harmon is to make sure that the powers reside in the Presidency and we may well see as a compromise they opt for another Minister of State,” he said.

The Cummingsburg Accord, he said, did not address the division of governance authority  but now the AFC is hiding its call for more authority in its call for Harmon’s responsibilities to be split.. “Having the Cabinet seats does not necessarily amount to influence and power and I think the real nerve-centre of the governance is the Ministry of the Presidency rather than the Cabinet. I think that is part of what the AFC is responding to because they realize that a lot of the powers resides in the power of the presidency and they may not want to be as frank as what I am saying here so they are talking about splitting up the powers of Joe Harmon,” he said.

Hinds argued that in the absence of a mechanism such as political committee or council outside Cabinet to prevent and resolve sensitive political issues before they become public, the coalition would encounter problems. “If you had a council, that’s where you meet and you decide whether Harmon’s powers are too much and what should be done,” he said, adding that the now rescinded appointment of Brian “BK” Tiwari as Harmon’s ministerial adviser was “bound to be controversial and should have been placed before a wider body.”

 

Former University of Guyana Political Science lecturer, Freddie Kissoon said the AFC’s support has been declining ever since after the May 11, 2015 general elections because Guyanese have recognised that Prime Minister Moses Nagamootoo has no real power although he is constitutionally the President’s principal assistant. Kissoon, like Hinds, believes that the AFC has taken advantage of the Harmon controversy to hammer home its position. “What the Harmon imbroglio has done- it has given them an opportunity  to say ‘ when you look at what Harmon was doing, it relates back to his enormity power; it relates that he was co-terminus with the President… I think the AFC saw this as a golden opportunity to complain that ‘we didn’t get the kind of power we thought we should seeing that we put the PNC back in power’ and they couldn’t bring it up at random, they couldn’t bring it up as an after-thought because the reaction of the Guyanese people would be ‘why you are doing this now’ so I think the Harmon fiasco was the impetus,” he told Demerara Waves.

While Kissoon agrees that the AFC failed to negotiate power rather than the number of parliamentarians, he does not believe that that party will get anything more because AFC and APNU would not want to appear to be engaged in in-fighting.

Hinds suggested that at any rate such a committee should not have approved Tiwari’s appointment because of serious questions that have been raised in forensic reports about his business dealings with the previous People’s Progressive Party Civic (PPPC) administration. “I think the rescinding of Tiwari’s thing has least to do with whether Harmon over-reached and it has more to do with the political consequences of such a thing. The APNU+AFC supporters do not want those people to go close to power…You can’t on the one hand have those audit reports coming out and then on the other hand go and appoint somebody who is part of that crowd. I think that is politically suicidal ,” he said.

Harmon has been also accused of ordering the Guyana Revenue Authority (GRA) to halt the seizure of two luxury vehicles belonging the Chinese company, Baishan Lin , days after he  had returned from China where he was seen in a photograph aboard a private jet with top officials of that company.

The vehicles were subsequently seized and the President said he had instructed that there must be no intrusion in the work of other ministers.

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Harmon is a chatree and he is taking down Granger with him. We didn't help to hound the corrupt ppp/c out of office, only to have same or worse. Is Harmon on the take?

Perhaps Granger don't care, since he may not be leading the PNC in the next election.

Mitwah

You have to agree with Hinds and Kissoon that the Cummingsburg Accord (whose terms and the Constitution may be at odds in some crucial cases) may have been right for APNU, unlike what CARIBNY screamed at that time - number of Ministries, etc for a small party that can't bring the PPP votes to the coalition - remember CARIBNY? We've known that the Office of the President and now the Ministry of the Presidency (sic!) is where the power lies. Cabinet is just a rubber stamp for what's decided at the top and administered through the Ministry of the Presidency. The real power of the AFC is a threat to make this a one-year government. Does it have the pathway or the kahunas to do so? And does the lurking unreformed PPP/C be a real obstacle for the exercise of AFC's power?

 

Either way the PPP is doing what they've done to Guyana in their history - first have the US engineer the 60s disturbance and made the British structure voting for PR to give the PNC (and cajole a UF) to break the Cold War communist-leaning PPP. Now instead of a reformed PPP to stop what seems to be a PNC that's same old and not the new-fangled PNC I called for them to market themselves as starting with an apology for their old PNC to the Nation (not just Indians, as CARIBNY thinks of this call).

 

Kari

OH how different it can be when pressure ah bus Pipe!!!!  These same FOOLS were showering praise and accolades on a wonderful coalition. I told these people they were brain dead then and I am telling them again, Al YUh are brain dead!!!

Nehru

No Pavi, "These same FOOLS" were screaming for anything but the PPP/C in the last elections following the Vote of No Confidence and dissolution of the Ramotar Government. Then came the AFC - virtuous and without baggage - in a coalition with a PNC-dominated APNU that was operating in a different environment from Burnham's. This gave hope for a change from the narco-infused violent days and for economic transformation as Guyana was still stuck as a primary-producing exporter and importer of most everything. "These same FOOLS were" NOT "showering praise and accolades on a wonderful coalition"; rather their hope was based on what was and what could be.

Kari
Kari posted:

You have to agree with Hinds and Kissoon that the Cummingsburg Accord (whose terms and the Constitution may be at odds in some crucial cases) may have been right for APNU, unlike what CARIBNY screamed at that time - number of Ministries, etc for a small party that can't bring the PPP votes to the coalition - remember CARIBNY? We've known that the Office of the President and now the Ministry of the Presidency (sic!) is where the power lies. Cabinet is just a rubber stamp for what's decided at the top and administered through the Ministry of the Presidency. The real power of the AFC is a threat to make this a one-year government. Does it have the pathway or the kahunas to do so? And does the lurking unreformed PPP/C be a real obstacle for the exercise of AFC's power?

 

Either way the PPP is doing what they've done to Guyana in their history - first have the US engineer the 60s disturbance and made the British structure voting for PR to give the PNC (and cajole a UF) to break the Cold War communist-leaning PPP. Now instead of a reformed PPP to stop what seems to be a PNC that's same old and not the new-fangled PNC I called for them to market themselves as starting with an apology for their old PNC to the Nation (not just Indians, as CARIBNY thinks of this call).

 

In fact what I am seeing is exactly as I predicted.

Do you see a monolithic AFC, or one where Nigel Hughes resigns because he didn't like AFC comments about Harmon, and Trotman holding himself tight to APNU by being the prodigal son?  Then the AFC Indo section criticizes Holder, as if he is an APNU appointee.

In fact when Moses appeared in front of people like you and boasted that he would "control" the PNC, in effect being the tail wagging the dog, he gave rise to the Harmon phenomenon. 

Did I not warn you and the rest of your Moses fanatics that your behavior would breed a backlash from people who suspected that your involvement was merely a function of a PPP civil war?  Apparently there is dissension WITHIN the AFC.

And what if Moses leaves?  You think that Jagdeo will welcome him back?  Or not make an example of "******indians", "dirty Indians", "neemakarams". "Congo lovers", and all the epithets which they PPP flung in the direction of the Moses fan club?

I am willing to bet that if Moses leaves, the AFC will recall his slot, and replace him with some one from the Trotman faction.  It is obvious they have no interest in contributing to the return of the PPP.  They will sooner destroy the AFC, in its present form, than allow this.

FM
Nehru posted:

OH how different it can be when pressure ah bus Pipe!!!!  These same FOOLS were showering praise and accolades on a wonderful coalition. I told these people they were brain dead then and I am telling them again, Al YUh are brain dead!!!

It will not be any different if the PPP/C continue along the same path. Changes have to happen from the top; else the PPP/C will forever be loyal spectators. Guyanese don't vote on issues.

Mitwah

When Uncle Nehru warned Al YUh Baxside of the EVIL, BARBARIC ways of the PNC and that Uncle Tom and Devany will be toilet cleaners, Al YUh seh Uncle Nehru Mad.  Well tek madness in Al YUh Baxside.

Nehru
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Kari posted:

So now CARIBNY has a conspiracy theory that the Moses defection from the PPP was to be a Trojan horse in some coalition to destroy the PNC of APNY.

Kari must be no more intelligent than drugb and Nehru are.

I told you last year that many within APNU (or the G/town faction of the AFC) did not trust those who I described as PPP refugees.  In fact many still suspect that this is merely a PPP internal civil war.

Instead of trying to assuage their concerns Moses and his disciples jumped up and down and screamed that they would "control the coalition by threatening to withdraw if they didn't get what they wanted". 

When they did so what others heard was " don't mind that there was an Indo gov't for 23 years, which excluded blacks.  We Indos will use a majority black coalition, and still maintain Indo control".

I was at an event where Moses said so and I noticed Granger had a secret smile, when this was said.  I am sure what went though his head was that "you must really think that I am a stupid man to become a hostage to you".

In fact the Trotman faction must have thought the same when one notices who the AFC cabinet members are, who are the MPs, and likely who controls the AFC list.

So all of this is no shock to me.

FM
caribny posted:
Kari posted:

So now CARIBNY has a conspiracy theory that the Moses defection from the PPP was to be a Trojan horse in some coalition to destroy the PNC of APNY.

Kari must be no more intelligent than drugb and Nehru are.

I told you last year that many within APNU (or the G/town faction of the AFC) did not trust those who I described as PPP refugees.  In fact many still suspect that this is merely a PPP internal civil war.

Instead of trying to assuage their concerns Moses and his disciples jumped up and down and screamed that they would "control the coalition by threatening to withdraw if they didn't get what they wanted". 

When they did so what others heard was " don't mind that there was an Indo gov't for 23 years, which excluded blacks.  We Indos will use a majority black coalition, and still maintain Indo control".

I was at an event where Moses said so and I noticed Granger had a secret smile, when this was said.  I am sure what went though his head was that "you must really think that I am a stupid man to become a hostage to you".

In fact the Trotman faction must have thought the same when one notices who the AFC cabinet members are, who are the MPs, and likely who controls the AFC list.

So all of this is no shock to me.

SHIT HEAD TALKIN BOUT INTELLIGENCE. WHEN YOU FINISH LEARNING 2 TIMES TABLE THEN COME BACK AND GAFF WITH UNCLE NEHRU YOU BLOODY DUNCIFIED GOAT!!!

Nehru
Mitwah posted:
Nehru posted:

OH how different it can be when pressure ah bus Pipe!!!!  These same FOOLS were showering praise and accolades on a wonderful coalition. I told these people they were brain dead then and I am telling them again, Al YUh are brain dead!!!

It will not be any different if the PPP/C continue along the same path. Changes have to happen from the top; else the PPP/C will forever be loyal spectators. Guyanese don't vote on issues.

We have to take Mits seriously here.

First the PPP needs to move Jagdeo aside for the good of the party and country. This can easily be done by not bruising his ego.

A new leader must emerge very quickly, one who is trusted and can appeal at least to a small portion of mixed and Afro races.

PPP can then sit down with the AFC after this happens and the AFC can go with the hammer in parliament and end this emerging dictatorship.

The ball is actually in the PPP's court but they need to reform quickly. Let the old school and corrupt PPP members go. Let a new generation emerge.

FM
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yuji22 posted:
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A new leader must emerge very quickly, one who is trusted and can appeal at least to a small portion of mixed and Afro races.

 

Please put aside your silly notion that blacks are gullible and stupid.

The PPP will have to reinvent itself. Not only dumping Jagdeo but just about its entire leadership.  It will have to include non Indians in influential positions and not just as tokens.  This will even include selecting an Afro as its presidential candidate.

Given that it has campaigned based upon being the "coolie people party" will its supporters allow this, or will they fool themselves that a black token here and there will make the difference. 

Well the PPP did this for 23 years and last year were soundly, and almost unanimously rejected by the Afro and mixed voters.  And now the PPP appears to be losing ground among Amerindians as well.

FM

YUji Bhai, I said Jagdeo should not be leading the Party since May 11. He can be the General Secretary of the PPP. He did too much damage to be at the head. He is a very intelligent and knowledgeable person but he had his chance and his time to be Leader has gone.

Nehru
Nehru posted:

YUji Bhai, I said Jagdeo should not be leading the Party since May 11. He can be the General Secretary of the PPP. He did too much damage to be at the head. He is a very intelligent and knowledgeable person but he had his chance and his time to be Leader has gone.

Like wow man! This is a first, finally a sensible post by you banna.

cain
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cain posted:
Nehru posted:

YUji Bhai, I said Jagdeo should not be leading the Party since May 11. He can be the General Secretary of the PPP. He did too much damage to be at the head. He is a very intelligent and knowledgeable person but he had his chance and his time to be Leader has gone.

Like wow man! This is a first, finally a sensible post by you banna.

Reading, writing, Math and you are not friends.

Nehru
cain posted:
Nehru posted:

YUji Bhai, I said Jagdeo should not be leading the Party since May 11. He can be the General Secretary of the PPP. He did too much damage to be at the head. He is a very intelligent and knowledgeable person but he had his chance and his time to be Leader has gone.

Like wow man! This is a first, finally a sensible post by you banna.

Nehru is smart and knowledgeable, if you don't understand the man post then it proves you are a dunce.  

 

FM
ian posted:
cain posted:
Nehru posted:

YUji Bhai, I said Jagdeo should not be leading the Party since May 11. He can be the General Secretary of the PPP. He did too much damage to be at the head. He is a very intelligent and knowledgeable person but he had his chance and his time to be Leader has gone.

Like wow man! This is a first, finally a sensible post by you banna.

Nehru is smart and knowledgeable, if you don't understand the man post then it proves you are a dunce.  

 

HAHAHAHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

You've just made my day with the most fkdup post ever.

cain
cain posted:
Nehru posted:

YUji Bhai, I said Jagdeo should not be leading the Party since May 11. He can be the General Secretary of the PPP. He did too much damage to be at the head. He is a very intelligent and knowledgeable person but he had his chance and his time to be Leader has gone.

Like wow man! This is a first, finally a sensible post by you banna.

Nehru didn't write it. His account was hacked.

FM
Nehru posted:

YUji Bhai, I said Jagdeo should not be leading the Party since May 11. He can be the General Secretary of the PPP. He did too much damage to be at the head. He is a very intelligent and knowledgeable person but he had his chance and his time to be Leader has gone.

Going forward, Jagdeo can become a consultant.

The PPP needs to act quickly and elect a young and new leader. Time to turn over a new page in PPP's history.

Our country needs healing and unity.  PNC created more mistrust that we can ever imagine. They are creating a very racist and arrogant administration with evidence of consolidation of power and a Black Dictatorship. Harmon and Granger are from the Burnham School of racism and discrimination.

AFC humbled an ever increasingly arrogant PPP. 

Let us all come home and heal our party. Bring home our sons and daughter who left due to disagreement. A new PPP must also be honest and fair to Afros and the Mixed race.

Carib is exhibiting what we as Indos feared all along and Granger is fulfilling his wishes.

FM
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yuji22 posted:
. A new PPP must also be honest and fair to Afros and the Mixed race.

.

Given that the PPP is packed with brown bai KKK like you, who scream all manner of foul things about blacks, this fairness will NEVER happen.

FM

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