Gilbakka posted:

Mitwah posted:

Django posted:

Gilbakka posted:

@Django

True, winning LGE doesn't guarantee winning GE. But it is a morale booster, having a positive psychological impact on PPP supporters, reinforcing hope for victory in less than 2 years from now. The PPP has to sustain the momentum though. No complacency now.

Exactly, thank you for being truthful.

Well said Gilly. Hope the PPP build on that momentum and select its leader for the 2020 GE. 

A new leader there will be. But I want the party to retain the services of Bharrat Jagdeo as its Energizer battery. Still going strong as the LGE result shows.

I give him full credits for bringing out the PPP's support base. SOCU might be the sword of Damocles to the PPP.

Baseman posted:

Mitwah posted:

skeldon_man posted:

WHY WAS THERE SO MUCH HYPE ABOUT THE LGE? IS IT A NOTHING BURGER NOW THAT THE RULING PARTY LOST?

Granger's illness might have been a contributing factor for the low turn out in its traditional support areas. The PNC definitely have to establish a new leader.  64% stayed away from the polls.

If 36% turned out and the PPP won 64% then 80% of the PNC base stayed away.  That is big shyte!   Mars can check my ‘Rithmatic!

I don’t get what granger have to do with it.  If that is so, then dem in real trouble come 2020.  

Absolutely. 

skeldon_man posted:

Mitwah posted:

skeldon_man posted:

Mitwah posted:

I wouldn't read too much into the results when 64% of the populace did not vote. Winning 61% of 36% is nothing to trumpet about since the APNU+AFC controls the purse. 

36% participation is any election is no real measurement of the likely hood results of a General Election.

One thing for sure is that there is definitely a need for a third force.

 

An independent and effective third force.

This can happen if the constitution is changed to allow the formation of the coalition after the elections.

In Guyana, this will cause chaos. The majority party will seize power and expel the minority party as the PNC did to the UF. It was good the PNC and the AFC formed a coalition. However, the AFC was not independent or effective as it promised. This was a complete failure given the promises of the AFC. They suffered in the LGE

I don’t think so. Look what we have now, no confidence bill and the coalition could have defections and collapse.  What’s the difference if a minority threatens because promises are not kept?

Baseman posted:

skeldon_man posted:

Mitwah posted:

skeldon_man posted:

Mitwah posted:

I wouldn't read too much into the results when 64% of the populace did not vote. Winning 61% of 36% is nothing to trumpet about since the APNU+AFC controls the purse. 

36% participation is any election is no real measurement of the likely hood results of a General Election.

One thing for sure is that there is definitely a need for a third force.

 

An independent and effective third force.

This can happen if the constitution is changed to allow the formation of the coalition after the elections.

In Guyana, this will cause chaos. The majority party will seize power and expel the minority party as the PNC did to the UF. It was good the PNC and the AFC formed a coalition. However, the AFC was not independent or effective as it promised. This was a complete failure given the promises of the AFC. They suffered in the LGE

I don’t think so. Look what we have now, no confidence bill and the coalition could have defections and collapse.  What’s the difference if a minority threatens because promises are not kept?

You think the PNC would allow a no-confidence motion? Even if they do and they lose, they will not give up power. They will "misinterpret" the constitution and justify their continued rule...dictatorship.

I believe we are witnessing the  ascension of the PPP back to national office!  

PNC look so stale and half croaked just after 3 years.  Dem rass duh need a horse 🐎 dose of political Viagra!! I mean, even old man Nagamootoo show more vigor!  I don’t know why Cribby take them serious!!

skeldon_man posted:

Baseman posted:

skeldon_man posted:

Mitwah posted:

skeldon_man posted:

Mitwah posted:

I wouldn't read too much into the results when 64% of the populace did not vote. Winning 61% of 36% is nothing to trumpet about since the APNU+AFC controls the purse. 

36% participation is any election is no real measurement of the likely hood results of a General Election.

One thing for sure is that there is definitely a need for a third force.

 

An independent and effective third force.

This can happen if the constitution is changed to allow the formation of the coalition after the elections.

In Guyana, this will cause chaos. The majority party will seize power and expel the minority party as the PNC did to the UF. It was good the PNC and the AFC formed a coalition. However, the AFC was not independent or effective as it promised. This was a complete failure given the promises of the AFC. They suffered in the LGE

I don’t think so. Look what we have now, no confidence bill and the coalition could have defections and collapse.  What’s the difference if a minority threatens because promises are not kept?

You think the PNC would allow a no-confidence motion? Even if they do and they lose, they will not give up power. They will "misinterpret" the constitution and justify their continued rule...dictatorship.

That’s a different matter to whether coalitions after election are a good model. 

If the lose the vote, they lost legitimacy and needs to call election. Then the games begin.  

Gilbakka posted:

https://www.stabroeknews.com/2...-apnu-34-afc-nets-4/

Gilly, have some mercy, you beat django to the punch in posting this story. De paycheck will be secure though, no penalty applied for negative news against the pnc/afc. 

Gilbakka posted:

The LGE has proved that the AFC is a 4% party. Yet AFC leaders insist it is a 10% party. When will their deception and self-delusion end?

Gilbakka posted:

Why didn't the AFC contest 53 LAA?

Perhaps AFC past support have significantly dwindled.

Dave posted:

D2 posted:

Why are these statistics significant? Do they accrue to a different PPP from the kleptocracy that had Guyana in it's thrall for 2 and a 1/2 decades? Have they shown anyone that they have changed or are we simply counting sheep here?

 

How can you expect change if they are not given a second chance yet. 

I am sure they have recognized their mistakes and have began that process by extending their arm to their enemies... that’s step # 1

Step one is you remove the chief architect of the corrupt regime from being the mouth piece of the party. Then you offer up a vision that they have undergone some catharsis.

Instead the same stale kleptocracy brazenly sell their dirty wares and expect that my mere ethnic nepotism they will once again be given the ship of state so they can rob its cargo as they have consistently done.

skeldon_man posted:

D2 posted:

Why are these statistics significant? Do they accrue to a different PPP from the kleptocracy that had Guyana in it's thrall for 2 and a 1/2 decades? Have they shown anyone that they have changed or are we simply counting sheep here?

 

The PNC 28 years of dictatorship must have been a utopia in Guyana.

Let me get this...they steal so I am obliged to accept that they steal because others steal as well  and all will be  well if I accept them and count my blessings! As I said moo cow kind of reasoning!

Nehru posted:

Skelly, Dem Bhias love to be SLAVE to Massa. 28 years of starvation, enslavement and dem want more. Well, the whip at Hope Estate must have been real sweet

Reason logically so at least one can pretend you think. This is about the PPP's failure to show themselves as being different from their last incarnation which was a morass of thievery and corruption that ruined every industry in the state and practically sold the society and its natural resources to the Chinese. Only last week Donald was lamenting neoliberalism as tha cause as their failure and not admitting that he was part of the thievery ( squatting on OMAI and GUYSUCO's board As the former pillaged the state and the latter progress to complete failure). He as having any role in our state in the future is as unpalatable as Jagdeo.

For change to come about, those like you with pretense to reason ought to be chastising both sides for their failures. Not until their combined incompetence is vociferously opposed by thinking people can there be any acknowledgement that change is necessary. Chattering like a bunch of bleating sheep about 61 percent of the vote means little. It simply states that the same corrupt lot have a chance of returning to the helm unrepentant, absent any new vision and predictably to continue where they left off....unrestrained thievery.

Demerara_Guy posted:

Gilbakka posted:

The LGE has proved that the AFC is a 4% party. Yet AFC leaders insist it is a 10% party. When will their deception and self-delusion end?

Gilbakka posted:

Why didn't the AFC contest 53 LAA?

Perhaps AFC past support have significantly dwindled.

When you use the word "perhaps" it means that  you know shit.

kp posted:

Gilbakka posted:

@Django

True, winning LGE doesn't guarantee winning GE. But it is a morale booster, having a positive psychological impact on PPP supporters, reinforcing hope for victory in less than 2 years from now. The PPP has to sustain the momentum though. No complacency now.

When the AFC/PNC says winning the LGE does not guarantee winning at the general election, it tell me they are banking heavily on RIGGING to guarantee the win at the GE.

Well, they have to say something, even if they themselves believe it or not!

My belief, the PNC do have plans for some stuffing however, I don't think they can overcome a significant shortfall in their base turnout.  This is not the days of pre-1992.  No scenes of GDF trucks taking boxes aback Sophia, Agricola and Plaisance with boxes showing up two days later.

What I believe, if the PNC loses, there will be a convulsive reaction against the PPP and also against the PNC autocrats.  I would not be surprised to see an overthrow of the PNC leadership and younger, more radical elements rise, at least, in the interim.

Even if the PPP is in power they don't have real political power. Real political power will only come about with the creation of an independent sovereign country of our own.

Gilbakka posted:

President Granger's PNC wanted to prove that the AFC lost support since 2015 and GECOM has confirmed it. 

Correction. Granger wanted to prove that the AFC did NOT win the level of support that it claims in 2015 and made them prove their base of support.

Granger would NOT accept the fact that the AFC LOST support because then it would imply that its alliance with APNU is the reason.

caribny posted:

Gilbakka posted:

President Granger's PNC wanted to prove that the AFC lost support since 2015 and GECOM has confirmed it. 

Correction. Granger wanted to prove that the AFC did NOT win the level of support that it claims in 2015 and made them prove their base of support.

Granger would NOT accept the fact that the AFC LOST support because then it would imply that its alliance with APNU is the reason.

Thanks for the correction.

Prashad posted:

Even if the PPP is in power they don't have real political power. Real political power will only come about with the creation of an independent sovereign country of our own.

Indians don't like living in Indian enclaves.  Region 6, the most Indian in Guyana where they account for 65% of the population (more if you exclude New Amsterdam) saw a 23% FALL during the PPP era.

Not sure how popular your Indesh is as Indians are fleeing the region which is as close to Indesh as you will get.

Gilbakka posted:

caribny posted:

Gilbakka posted:

President Granger's PNC wanted to prove that the AFC lost support since 2015 and GECOM has confirmed it. 

Correction. Granger wanted to prove that the AFC did NOT win the level of support that it claims in 2015 and made them prove their base of support.

Granger would NOT accept the fact that the AFC LOST support because then it would imply that its alliance with APNU is the reason.

Thanks for the correction.

How much of a sucker are you?  Don't you ponder before responding?  Caribj wrapping you in knots and laffing!

After humiliating the AFC and burying them below layers of PNC horse shit, he tell them go out and see what support remains....and that's a reflection of what they brought in 2015!

Were you really one on CBJ insiders?  No wonder he m.uc.ked up so bad!

Baseman posted:

I believe we are witnessing the  ascension of the PPP back to national office!  

PNC look so stale and half croaked just after 3 years.  Dem rass duh need a horse 🐎 dose of political Viagra!! I mean, even old man Nagamootoo show more vigor!  I don’t know why Cribby take them serious!!

PPP is delaying announcing their Presidential Candidate. What's going on?

Leonora posted:

Baseman posted:

I believe we are witnessing the  ascension of the PPP back to national office!  

PNC look so stale and half croaked just after 3 years.  Dem rass duh need a horse 🐎 dose of political Viagra!! I mean, even old man Nagamootoo show more vigor!  I don’t know why Cribby take them serious!!

PPP is delaying announcing their Presidential Candidate. What's going on?

Ancient Chinese secret. They are building Trojan Horse at Freedom House.

skeldon_man posted:

 

Ancient Chinese secret. They are building Trojan Horse at Freedom House.

Is VishMahabir involved in this? 

I wonder why all them PNC so concern about who the PPP will elect as their presidential candidate. What should be concerning is the in fighting within the PNC

Valid observations. 

kp posted:

I wonder why all them PNC so concern about who the PPP will elect as their presidential candidate. What should be concerning is the in fighting within the PNC

 

I thought as Guyanese that we all should be involved in who runs Guyana...why should it matter if we support PPP, PNC or AFC?

Ray posted:

kp posted:

I wonder why all them PNC so concern about who the PPP will elect as their presidential candidate. What should be concerning is the in fighting within the PNC

 

I thought as Guyanese that we all should be involved in who runs Guyana...why should it matter if we support PPP, PNC or AFC?

 

Yes Guyanese should be concerned about who is their president and is he fit and proper to lead, presently Harmon is preaching one thing and Volda is saying something different.  The opposition party leader is Jagdeo , approximately 2 years for general election lots of time to elect a presidential candidate,  it also stated someone will be elected by year end, one month away. The people in Guyana are satisfied with that , the diaspora is antsy.