Drugb posted:

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Granger, a Black representing one of the emancipated is indeed the topic. Blacks now in charge but they are incompetent when it comes to new ideas and a way forward.

Just as the PPP was.  Even you were screaming that Guyana was too backward under Jagdeo for you to return there.

Drugb posted:

 

Any child in Guyana would add the human resource as the biggest export out of Guyana.  This can be said for most of the Caribbean including Barbados.

Guyana of course has a double brain drain.  As Jamaican nurse flee to the USA Guyanese nurses are hired to replace them.  Ditto teachers.

The healthcare system in Barbados would collapse if all of the Guyanese nurses left.

caribny posted:

Drugb posted:

 

Any child in Guyana would add the human resource as the biggest export out of Guyana.  This can be said for most of the Caribbean including Barbados.

Guyana of course has a double brain drain.  As Jamaican nurse flee to the USA Guyanese nurses are hired to replace them.  Ditto teachers.

The healthcare system in Barbados would collapse if all of the Guyanese nurses left.

Now you ketch sense. Instead of berating Guyanese who go to the Caribbean for employment, you should be applauding them for delivering much needed skillful services. The Islands are just a stepping stone for most. Even the Bajans fleeing Barbados as they can't make a decent living there. The White and multi nationals are the ones making the money in Barbados and many other Caribbean Islands. At least in Guyana the IndoGuyanese are fighting against the Chinese and other International businesses for a piece of the pie. The Black Guyanese are content to lay back and wait for someone to employ them to their own detriment. But you use this tendency to claim marginalization. 

caribny posted:

Drugb posted:

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Granger, a Black representing one of the emancipated is indeed the topic. Blacks now in charge but they are incompetent when it comes to new ideas and a way forward.

Just as the PPP was.  Even you were screaming that Guyana was too backward under Jagdeo for you to return there.

The PPP was making the right moves mostly with the Amelia falls and infrastructure to provide an environment conducive to business and manufacturing. The PNC killed all this off, now they await oil(started under the PPP) as their saving grace. 

Drugb posted:

 The Black Guyanese are content to lay back and wait for someone to employ them to their own detriment. But you use this tendency to claim marginalization. 

You are blinded by your racist views,the Africans in Guyana were in all sort of trades and professional skills,during the Burnham rule they have dwindled and was further shut out by the PPP whose motto was "abhee time"

Majority of the Indians were farmers and Sugar Industry laborers not much were in trade and professional skills,to keep their labor pool intact the cunning methods used by the Colonials deprived them from getting educated.

Burnham was a blessing in disguise for the Indians apart from oppressing them,an avenue opened up for them to get an Education and entry the professional and trade skills,some even got rich by the contraband trade,and some choose to leave hence the mass migration of Indians.

Drugb posted:

caribny posted:

Drugb posted:

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Granger, a Black representing one of the emancipated is indeed the topic. Blacks now in charge but they are incompetent when it comes to new ideas and a way forward.

Just as the PPP was.  Even you were screaming that Guyana was too backward under Jagdeo for you to return there.

The PPP was making the right moves mostly with the Amelia falls and infrastructure to provide an environment conducive to business and manufacturing. The PNC killed all this off, now they await oil(started under the PPP) as their saving grace. 

The cost of the Amelia Falls hydro would have been a heavy burden on the coffers of the Nation,Guyana can't be a major manufacturing country with the current population,what it can achieve with the arable lands it can be a major food producer for the Caribbean and other markets.

Drugb posted:

 

Now you ketch sense. Instead of berating Guyanese who go to the Caribbean for employment, you should be applauding them for delivering much needed skillful services. The Islands are just a stepping stone for most. Even the Bajans fleeing Barbados as they can't make a decent living there. The White and multi nationals are the ones making the money in Barbados and many other Caribbean Islands. At least in Guyana the IndoGuyanese are fighting against the Chinese and other International businesses for a piece of the pie. The Black Guyanese are content to lay back and wait for someone to employ them to their own detriment. But you use this tendency to claim marginalization. 

The fact that you equate white Bajans, whose ancestors arrived 400 years ago with people who just got off the plane from China, many not even speaking English properly is a laugh.

Now should I tell you that you don't have a right to be a citizen of Guyana because my ancestors were present in Guyana long before yours? 

And that my ancestors were among the founders of at least 3 of the villages (Buxton, BV, and Victoria), established local government systems. That they formed the nucleus of that cadre of teachers who taught your ancestors, and nurses and mid wives who ensured that your ancestors didn't die in child birth. Because you see even then they were literate, when I am sure that your ancestors were as illiterate as you are today.

So why don't you shush your mouth because the stench of your ignorance is nauseating.

When Guyanese go to these islands they are not doing favors. The Guyanese who don't meet the standards to migrate directly to North America and the UK as teachers and nurses go to those islands. So they are being RESCUED from the hardships that they would certainly suffer by remaining in Guyana..

This is why Antigua had to ask CARICOM for a waiver as Guyanese teachers and nurses were pouring into that island when there were no longer any vacancies, and yet the freedom of movement rules meant that Antigua couldn't deny them entry.

So much so that Jagdeo was begging them to return, as he had no teachers or nurses, and they cussed him out about how black people were being treated in Guyana.

Django posted:

Drugb posted:

caribny posted:

Drugb posted:

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Granger, a Black representing one of the emancipated is indeed the topic. Blacks now in charge but they are incompetent when it comes to new ideas and a way forward.

Just as the PPP was.  Even you were screaming that Guyana was too backward under Jagdeo for you to return there.

The PPP was making the right moves mostly with the Amelia falls and infrastructure to provide an environment conducive to business and manufacturing. The PNC killed all this off, now they await oil(started under the PPP) as their saving grace. 

The cost of the Amelia Falls hydro would have been a heavy burden on the coffers of the Nation,Guyana can't be a major manufacturing country with the current population,what it can achieve with the arable lands it can be a major food producer for the Caribbean and other markets.

So which is the chicken and which is the egg?  You are like a dog trying to catch its tail.  What is the model you suggest, grow the population, then invest in infrastructure to grow the economy?  You are a real fool to think just "arable" land is the answer when all you can do is the basic commodity of the value chain.  This is what Guyana has been for over 50 years due to a lack of cheap and reliable power.

You are a static thinker, to be polite.  Every country invest for the future, meaning the infrastructure today in for the benefit for future generations and in today's term, will seem out of proportion.  But that's not the working model.

When the USA built up its interstate highway system, it was a heavy burden and debt financed, but without that the US would not have gone from a $1 Trillion economy to a $16 trillion.

Amelia would have replaced the $200 mil imported fuel for power gen, and had the capacity to power growth well beyond today and into a sphere never seen before.  The $200 mil was an immediate savings of foreign currency and started the funding of the repayment before the impact of the growth to come!

You people are such dunces, its not funny!!

ba$eman posted:

 

So which is the chicken and which is the egg? 

This is no chicken and egg situation.  The PPP undermined its credibility with the Fip Motilall scandal. If the PPP lacked the ability and credibility to build a $5million highway then how could they have been entrusted with a billion dollar project, which had it failed. would have plunged Guyana into disaster?

What gets me about you is if the Fip Motilall scandal had happened under APNU you would have been screaming MURDER.

The PPP lacked the capacity to execute the Amaila project and its about time you all stop screaming your nonsense about this.

Has GuySICKO exploited all avenues possible to generate energy which can be used to supply coastal areas?  This having the double advantage of keeping alive a company which can no longer survive based on exporting raw sugar to markets which no longer require their product.

Django posted:

Drugb posted:

 The Black Guyanese are content to lay back and wait for someone to employ them to their own detriment. But you use this tendency to claim marginalization. 

You are blinded by your racist views,the Africans in Guyana were in all sort of trades and professional skills,during the Burnham rule they have dwindled and was further shut out by the PPP whose motto was "abhee time"

Majority of the Indians were farmers and Sugar Industry laborers not much were in trade and professional skills,to keep their labor pool intact the cunning methods used by the Colonials deprived them from getting educated.

Burnham was a blessing in disguise for the Indians apart from oppressing them,an avenue opened up for them to get an Education and entry the professional and trade skills,some even got rich by the contraband trade,and some choose to leave hence the mass migration of Indians.

These are lies. How did the PPP shut out a Black from a trade? Govt did not control all job openings in the country, especially in the private sector. In the public govt sector 99.9 % of the workers were Blacks under the PPP, so haul your lying tail. 

Drugb posted:

.99.9 % of the workers were Blacks under the PPP, so haul your lying tail. 

Even the PPP admitted that the vast majority of blacks in the public sector were in the lower, and lower middle ranks, with the Indians in the higher ranks.

The only difference between Guyana in 2010 and in 1910 was that Indians replaced whites at the highest public sector levels.

But continue merrily along displaying how stupid you are.  Just now you will be screaming how nice the British were lacking any level of racism.

caribny posted:

ba$eman posted:

 

So which is the chicken and which is the egg? 

This is no chicken and egg situation.  The PPP undermined its credibility with the Fip Motilall scandal. If the PPP lacked the ability and credibility to build a $5million highway then how could they have been entrusted with a billion dollar project, which had it failed. would have plunged Guyana into disaster?

What gets me about you is if the Fip Motilall scandal had happened under APNU you would have been screaming MURDER.

The PPP lacked the capacity to execute the Amaila project and its about time you all stop screaming your nonsense about this.

Has GuySICKO exploited all avenues possible to generate energy which can be used to supply coastal areas?  This having the double advantage of keeping alive a company which can no longer survive based on exporting raw sugar to markets which no longer require their product.

You meandering all over the place like a headless fowl.  You complain about everything and everyone!  You talk of all the ills of the PPP towards yet cuss Burnham for not "preparing" blacks adequately to compete with Indians.  Banna, you are a joker and a clown!

Now, I know you are not stupid, you just play stupid and hold your nose to make stupid points

caribny posted:

Drugb posted:

.99.9 % of the workers were Blacks under the PPP, so haul your lying tail. 

Even the PPP admitted that the vast majority of blacks in the public sector were in the lower, and lower middle ranks, with the Indians in the higher ranks.

The only difference between Guyana in 2010 and in 1910 was that Indians replaced whites at the highest public sector levels.

But continue merrily along displaying how stupid you are.  Just now you will be screaming how nice the British were lacking any level of racism.

You are lying, where is this stated and what does this have to do with Django's statement that the ppp drive blackman out of trade occupation?

Drugb posted:

Django posted:

Drugb posted:

 The Black Guyanese are content to lay back and wait for someone to employ them to their own detriment. But you use this tendency to claim marginalization. 

You are blinded by your racist views,the Africans in Guyana were in all sort of trades and professional skills,during the Burnham rule they have dwindled and was further shut out by the PPP whose motto was "abhee time"

Majority of the Indians were farmers and Sugar Industry laborers not much were in trade and professional skills,to keep their labor pool intact the cunning methods used by the Colonials deprived them from getting educated.

Burnham was a blessing in disguise for the Indians apart from oppressing them,an avenue opened up for them to get an Education and entry the professional and trade skills,some even got rich by the contraband trade,and some choose to leave hence the mass migration of Indians.

These are lies. How did the PPP shut out a Black from a trade? Govt did not control all job openings in the country, especially in the private sector. In the public govt sector 99.9 % of the workers were Blacks under the PPP, so haul your lying tail. 

What percentage of Africans were employed in Private Sector ?? which is dominated by the Indian,would you mind provide an answer,in the public sector their opportunities were further thwarted.That what i meant in my first paragraph.

The rest of my statement was to refresh your memory Africans were not laying back,check the history of Guyana you will find out how many were in the Nursing,teaching and other professions.

Django posted:

Drugb posted:

Django posted:

Drugb posted:

 The Black Guyanese are content to lay back and wait for someone to employ them to their own detriment. But you use this tendency to claim marginalization. 

You are blinded by your racist views,the Africans in Guyana were in all sort of trades and professional skills,during the Burnham rule they have dwindled and was further shut out by the PPP whose motto was "abhee time"

Majority of the Indians were farmers and Sugar Industry laborers not much were in trade and professional skills,to keep their labor pool intact the cunning methods used by the Colonials deprived them from getting educated.

Burnham was a blessing in disguise for the Indians apart from oppressing them,an avenue opened up for them to get an Education and entry the professional and trade skills,some even got rich by the contraband trade,and some choose to leave hence the mass migration of Indians.

These are lies. How did the PPP shut out a Black from a trade? Govt did not control all job openings in the country, especially in the private sector. In the public govt sector 99.9 % of the workers were Blacks under the PPP, so haul your lying tail. 

What percentage of Africans were employed in Private Sector ?? which is dominated by the Indian,would you mind provide an answer,in the public sector their opportunities were further thwarted.That what i meant in my first paragraph.

The rest of my statement was to refresh your memory Africans were not laying back,check the history of Guyana you will find out how many were in the Nursing,teaching and other professions.

 

 

  Why don't you tell us as you seem to know these numbers, but please cite the source. You are just trying to invent a bogey man to explain away Blacks position at the bottom of the economic ladder. But thankfully this tendency is universal, in the US, Britain, Brazil, Columbia, Canada, Blacks continue to follow the pack.  The PPP don't have any influence in those countries for you to blame them. 

The rest of your statement is bull crap. Blacks still dominate, nursing, teaching and other professions. The Indian dominate the private sector. Blacks want to be employees and not employers, whose fault is this?

ba$eman posted:

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You meandering all over the place like a headless fowl.  You complain about everything and everyone!  You talk of all the ills of the PPP towards yet cuss Burnham for not "preparing" blacks adequately to compete with Indians.  Banna, you are a joker and a clown!

Now, I know you are not stupid, you just play stupid and hold your nose to make stupid points

So because I cuss Hitler I must support Stalin. One can detest both Burnham and the PPP.

As to Burnham. You see your racism blinds you as you see blacks as defective. Burnham destroyed blacks because he destroyed their initiative, undermined their drive education, and killed off the village managements systems, so drainage fell apart.

Now where is there anything about Burnham preparing blacks.  Blacks in Guyana were already the most prepared Caribbean blacks to succeed.  His aim was to reduce us to dependency and in that he succeeded.

Now  resume your myth that Indians are  wealthier than blacks.  A small fraction might be wealthy, just as a small fractions of blacks are highly educated.  To judge the entirety of either race by this is gross foolishness.

You were told that a high % of poverty in Guyana exists in rural areas among people involved in agriculture.   Given that blacks form a minority of those involved in agriculture, and are heavily urban figure out which ethnic group is well represented amongst the poor.

Figure out also why Indians more closely profile Africans in their over representation amongst the poverty stricken than they do for their fellow indentures, the Chinese and Portuguese, both group heavily outperforming them.

I also find it interesting that you, who most likely does NOT own a business, measures success solely in terms of business ownership.

Drugb posted:

caribny posted:

Drugb posted:

.99.9 % of the workers were Blacks under the PPP, so haul your lying tail. 

Even the PPP admitted that the vast majority of blacks in the public sector were in the lower, and lower middle ranks, with the Indians in the higher ranks.

The only difference between Guyana in 2010 and in 1910 was that Indians replaced whites at the highest public sector levels.

But continue merrily along displaying how stupid you are.  Just now you will be screaming how nice the British were lacking any level of racism.

You are lying, where is this stated and what does this have to do with Django's statement that the ppp drive blackman out of trade occupation?

You and django can continue your fight.  I am telling you that in 1910 blacks were the bulk of the clerks and junior administrators and in 2010 they occupied the same role.  The PPP squeezed blacks out of the upper tier leadership.

Blacks had to do what the white man told them......or else in 1910. By 2010 Indians told blacks what to do.... or else.

Roger Luncheon was offered an opportunity to prove that blacks weren't squeezed out of leadership.   He couldn't .  Nor could be explain why the top leadership were mainly Indians. When asked why no blacks were appointed as heads of overseas missions his response is that they weren't qualified.  Many instances of blacks languishing in acting capacities and not appointed.  Talbot at the UN mission being an example.

So help out Jagdeo and show that 40% of the ambassadors and heads of state owned entities were blacks.   Because he surely couldn't.