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PUTTING THE RESULTS BEYOND QUESTION

May 13, 2015 | By | Filed Under Features / Columnists, Peeping Tom, Source

 

Both of the two main political groupings, the People’s Progressive Party Civic (PPPC) and the coalition APNU+AFC are claiming victory in what, if the numbers are to be believed, would be the closest election race in the history of Guyana, and possibly in the Region. It is hard for anyone to contemplate a closer race.


But precisely because the race was believed to be so close, there is going to be disputation over the results. APNU+AFC will claim that it won the elections; the PPPC will contend that it also won. In fact, the celebrations have already begun in the streets, despite there being no official announcement as yet.


The ultimate adjudicator is of course the Guyana Elections Commission (GECOM), but the recklessness of both of the main parties declaring that they have won the elections is going to leave the supporters of whichever camp is judged by GECOM to have lost the elections feeling that it was cheated.


This is the danger that presents itself when parties go ahead and announce that they have won, even before all the votes have been counted. It should never have happened, and one has to question why if APNU+AFC believed that it had an unassailable lead, it would not have waited for the official confirmation as the PPPC had done in 2006 and 2011.


Of course, following the 2011 elections, APNU also claimed that it had won and resorted to street protests. But this time around the AFC is part of a joint opposition coalition and one has to give some credibility to the fact that it is not likely to be party to a false declaration of results.


That said, there will be thousands of Guyanese who will feel that APNU+AFC is trying to claim victory without having won. This will fuel suspicion over the results; something that Guyana can do without.


This suspicion that will now develop over this premature declaration of the results of the elections means that the country will become far more divided and dangerous. This matter can however be settled amicably and to the satisfaction of all.


This column today proposes a way in which to put beyond any doubt the results of these elections.


GECOM should go ahead and meticulously tabulate the results of the various statements of poll. It should check and recheck this to ensure full accuracy, even if it takes a week. The political parties should encourage their supporters to be calm and allow GECOM to do its work.


Following this and in compliance with the law, GECOM should make its announcement. Whichever party it deems to have won the elections will thus assume the presidency.


However, in order to appease the supporters of the losing side that there were no mistakes with the tabulations of its results, and in order to reinforce further confidence in the count, GECOM should submit copies of its statements of poll and invite the two main parties to prepare copies of their statements of poll.


A group comprising members of each of the international observer teams should be put together and asked to undertake a verification of GECOM’s results. This should set the supporters of the losing party at ease or alternatively present a case for a legal challenge to the results.

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He's right. Regardless of what happens and who wins ultimately....50% of Guyana will feel cheated by the other 50% of Guyana.

 

I must say though the way that the PNC appears to be coming to power (if it ultimately prevails) shows that the PNC is the same old Indian-hating terrorist organization we know it to be.

 

And the AFC is just a bunch of anti-Indian cheap hookers. They would sell their mothers for the right price.

FM
Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by Shaitaan:

.) shows that the PNC is the same old Indian-hating terrorist organization we know it to be.

 .

OK apart from being a very sore loser who backed the wrong horse what evidence do you have of this.

 

Can you quite actions by Granger or other senior PPP officials?

 

Dude,

 

I'm happy to concede that the PPP lost if indeed they did. We have a situation where both parties have declared themselves the winner by the same margins of victory with almost identical totals.

 

GECOM is counting and pegs the PPP at 51% of the vote so far.

 

We have credible reports within the PPP of corrupted poll sites in Region 4 producing suspect SOPs.

 

This election has produced no winner and no loser as yet. When we have a definitive result from GECOM that withstands judicial scrutiny then I will happily congratulate APNU-AFC, if indeed they have won.

 

Spare me the nonsense where both sides are now clearly jockeying to dominate the narrative. You and I can dispense with that. Pay me that compliment at least. I do so when speaking to you.

FM
Originally Posted by Shaitaan:
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We have credible reports within the PPP of corrupted poll sites in Region 4 producing suspect SOPs.

 

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So help me out here.  Don't SoPs not need signatures of the officials from the contesting parties to be valid?

 

So what is the issue?  Can the APNU AFC be the only signature and the SoP be considered valid.  Or are you implying that the PPP reps took bribes to accept false statements.

FM
Originally Posted by Shaitaan:

.with 1/2 of Guyana feeling cheated with our racial history.

Tell me something.

 

When the PPP won and blacks feel robbed, not because the election was rigged, but because they lacked sufficient votes, so were held down by an elected tyranny of an Indian elite, you don't say anything?

 

So why now your plea for Indians, with the implication of course that 100% of Indians voted PPP.

 

Shaitaan individuals are free to have which ever ethnic or other identity that they wish.  HOWEVER a NATIONAL leader has to project that his NATIONAL identity over rides all others. 

 

Moses did NOT say that he wasn't Indian.  He said that his geographic (national) identity as a Guyanese was more important to him than his ethnic identity as some one of Indian descent. He DID NOT say this to appease non Indians.  He said this in INDIA when he received an award from the GOPIO. 

 

What was important is that this became only important to the PPP, which decided this year to campaign on apaan jhat.  In 2011 when Moses ran against them the PPP didn't raise this. At that time they entertained the illusion that they would get black support.  I am sure that if asked Jagdeo would have said the same thing in 2008.

 

 

 

Now why should Moses expect to be credible to non Indians if he tells them that his identity as an Indian is more important than being a Guyanese.  Obviously they would expect him to favor Indians, and therefore be biased against them?

FM
Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by Shaitaan:
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We have credible reports within the PPP of corrupted poll sites in Region 4 producing suspect SOPs.

 

.

So help me out here.  Don't SoPs not need signatures of the officials from the contesting parties to be valid?

 

So what is the issue?  Can the APNU AFC be the only signature and the SoP be considered valid.  Or are you implying that the PPP reps took bribes to accept false statements.

 

The SOPs do not require the signatures of officials of contesting parties to be valid. Just the elections officials.

 

Yes, APNU-AFC's agent's signature alone can legally appear on an SOP and that SOP is perfectly valid.

 

The PPP reps were tossed out for long periods of the voting at a certain number of poll sites in Region 4.

 

All I'm saying is that the PPP/C feels it has evidence that will withstand a court of law on this matter. They are deciding the matter as we speak with the legal team.

 

We may have a nasty messy acrimonious legal battle in the offing.

FM
Originally Posted by Shaitaan:
.valid.

 

The PPP reps were tossed out for long periods of the voting at a certain number of poll sites in Region 4.

 

All.

So why is the PPP only now complaining, when this should have been done since yesterday.  At this point it looks like sour grapes.

 

The PPP was boasting that it had more votes than the APNU AFC< so why this sudden rant?  If you have more votes why would you care?

FM
Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by Shaitaan:
.valid.

 

The PPP reps were tossed out for long periods of the voting at a certain number of poll sites in Region 4.

 

All.

So why is the PPP only now complaining, when this should have been done since yesterday.  At this point it looks like sour grapes.

 

The PPP was boasting that it had more votes than the APNU AFC< so why this sudden rant?  If you have more votes why would you care?

 

Abbe morons didn't realize the scale and organization of what was happening. They thought that it wouldn't really affect the 54% majority they were racking up. Dem bais were obviously wrong.

 

Yes, I admit PPP dropped the ball here and whatever they do now does indeed look like sour grapes.

 

The PPP ain't run by our best and brightest.

FM
Originally Posted by Shaitaan:

P.S...If the PPP/C has indeed lost the election, let it be clear and convincing that the will of the people is that APNU-AFC has been elected. It is also in APNU-AFC's interest not to come to power with 1/2 of Guyana feeling cheated with our racial history.

Since 2011, Guyana has been ruled by a party with less than 50% support

FM
Originally Posted by Shaitaan:

He's right. Regardless of what happens and who wins ultimately....50% of Guyana will feel cheated by the other 50% of Guyana.

 

I must say though the way that the PNC appears to be coming to power (if it ultimately prevails) shows that the PNC is the same old Indian-hating terrorist organization we know it to be.

 

And the AFC is just a bunch of anti-Indian cheap hookers. They would sell their mothers for the right price.

Shitty the only whore here is you and not only are you a whore but you are an incompetent dunce racist whore.

FM

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