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Originally Posted by Shaitaan:
 

It was a joke about monkeys you nut. It had nothing to do with blacks. It was not some veiled metaphor. It's just the way I talk.


So now make the same joke about this Indian "civilization" that you revere.  After all they worship monkeys, and we are more likely to stew them, yes with curry too!

 

 You already made derogatory commentary about Caribbean blacks.  Condemning 5 million people asd representing no more than a flag, a piece of territory and a prediliection to bang on garbage.  Yes this is what we are reduced to in your eyes.

FM
Originally Posted by Shaitaan:
Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by Shaitaan:
Racism is not defined as "stuff Caribny disagrees with."

 

 

Apparently it is what Shaitaan disagrees with.

 

Continue to portray black caribbean people as a cultureless people who only a flag, beat on garbage, and who dont have anything worthwhile. 

 

LOL...you know bai, you remind me of a sainted chap I once knew. It was Day 1 of Army training and I was battle buddies with dis obnoxious negro from Jamaica. Whole regiment and I get the one caribbean negro that hated coolies. Within weeks we became the closest of friends, closer than even my own brother. We did indeed have a similar culture, humor, and tastes.

 

I don't know why you reminded me of this chap but I suspect if you and I wade through the caricatures and the politics, I think we'd find we had a lot in common.


I have no problem with douglarization.  You think that it is the end of the world.  So who is the one trapped in race here?

FM
Originally Posted by Shaitaan:
 

I don't know why you reminded me of this chap but I suspect if you and I wade through the caricatures and the politics, I think we'd find we had a lot in common.


Oh we do have a lot in common, which is why I find your paranoia about douglarization so laughable. By virtue of being Guyanese, and operating within a caribbean context, and being of the Americas the notion of either of us defining pourselves in terms of our ancestral lands is a joke.

 

This notion that Indo Guyanese are a separate "nation" is pure nonsense.  Firstly, as a comparison of you and Nehru will quickly show, there is no one way of being an Indo Guyanese, nor is there of being an Afro Guyanese, so Indians and Africans in Guyana are not two separate nations vying for a piece of real estate called Guyana. 

 

We live in a home with separate bedrooms but have to meet in the kitchen and in the living room, and so must craft language and custom to enable communication between us.  If that home goes up in flames, both Africans and Indians are going to get burnt.  Along with the remaining 30% who selof identify as being neither.

 

Indians laugh at you.  Africans laugh at me. and the people of Ireland laugh at all those "irish for a day" Americans who garland themselves with teh shamrock on St Patty's Day.

 

Sorry neither you nor I can "go home" again and to entertain the fantasies taht we are anything other than being a Caribbean people is seriously deranged, and liable to end in disappointment.

 

If you allow others to define the Caribbean as only belonging to the descandants of Africans then that is YOUR FAULT!

FM
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Originally Posted by Shaitaan:
 We are a people a nation in the most profound meaning of the term.  These co-called Caricom nations are simply a bunch of Anglicized blacks with flags and some territory. They have very little that makes them a nation in the classical sense. The Jamaicans are not the Greeks. The Trinis have like a silly garbage can that they beat as a drum. Wow! What a great "national" accomplishment. In the annals of nation-states, history will record Gaugamela, Marathon, Trafalgar, Waterloo, and the great accomplishment of some people on the island of Trinidad figuring our how to bang on an empty oil drum.

 

About Tobago. What makes the Tobagonians a people? What is their native Tobagonian language? Their native food? Their habits? Their customs? Laws? Their Tobagonian gods? etc. etc.

 

 

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Here is where you define yourself OUTSIDE of a Caribbean context and in connection to India.   You do not even include Indians within the context of what a Trinidadian is.  Trinidadians are reduced to "banging on a silly garbage drum".   Ironically you COMPLETELY negate the contributions that Indians have made to defining what a Trinidadian is. 

 

And incidentally the very multi cultural nature of Trinidad, and its close ties to the Afro French Creole Caribbean is what differentiates it from Tobago.

 

So no merely because 99% of Tobagonians look like 40% of Trinidadians doesnt suggest that they are not entitled to have a separate identity, and to link themselves to a culture which they deem different to that of Trinidad.

 

And here is where you reveal your hypocrisy.  What is your language.  English.  What is your God, at least the one who you were raised with, The father the son and the holy ghost.  So again how are you part of this "Indian nation"?

FM
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