Ramjattan should read the Black Racist on this site. Black racism is justified and open with bullyism, but coolie racism is closeted and quiet. 

this is fascinating

please give examples for each on GNI

thanks

Ramjattan asserted that the CSOs could not be regarded as employees of the State, as there were no contracts of employment, no terms and conditions and no real wage. He reminded that APNU and the AFC, while in opposition, had opined that it is not wise to dole out money to the Amerindians for no good reason. “We always objected…we said over and over that it was not the way to go; to give over 2000 people $30,000 each for doing no real work. What you guys were doing was buying the votes of the Amerindians.”

Indians have a serious problem. In 1992, after they won the elections, all they talked about was the PNC 28 years. Now, this coolie azz referencing about the PPP. For how long will he that? Get on with the job.

Redux, you racist, you and your buddy Carib, should  take a look at the two letters, one by Ravi Dev, in today's KN. It summarizes the Indian and Black problems very well, as well as the concerns of both ethnic groups.  

He will be the one the coalition will put up to go against the PPP, so it does not look like its a "racial" thing.

THIS HOUSE SLAVE WAS GIVEN A TALKING POINt FROM MASSA GRANGER AFTER CLEANING GRANGER TOILET AND BLOWING HIM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This is what the PNC wants to hear.  His job is to rip the PPP apart and embarrassed them.  There is no unity in the alliance.  When you have 90% afros in the Government, how can you say that the PNC is a unified party?.

When you fired Indos and replaced them with afros, how can you say that that the PNC is a unified party.?

They just appoint a square Peg as Region 6 Chief Medical Officer. BLOODY IDIOTS!!!!!!!!!

Rumjaatan was the man, that stated " I will lock-up all you rass" and now begging for unity. There is very little given to the Amerindians by the PNC, before and even now. Look at the budget cuts in the PPP support areas and now in the Amerindian regions, don't these coolie ministers see the facts or are they blinded with ignorance. PNC is using Moses and Rumjaatan as attack DOGS against their own race, if you can't see that ,well you are just like them. Sorry , I forget you on their PAYROLL.

Bhai, Dat is what HOUSE SLAVES are there for!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Perhaps Ramjattan, a senior member in the government, is completely unaware of the activities of the PNC.

Perhaps not.

You have been asked many times by myself and itaname and redux as to what we say that is racist.  You have FAILED to respond, but yet YOU have made many statements playing to stereotypes of blacks as being violent and bullies. 

Others here have called us lazy, and claimed that we would have died if Indians never arrived in Guyana, and that we are lucky to be living in a country with so many hard working Indians.

THAT is racist. 

NOT saying that in Guyana Indian racism=African racism and that BOTH groups have suffered as a result.

Has Ramjattan ever visited an Amerindian community and observed that these young workers were doing nothing? Which Amerindian leader has complained about the hiring of these workers and the work they did?

Have you ever gone to heaven and check out those virgins in waiting?

The PPP didn't plan to keep them employed.  This was a vote buying scheme, and so their services would have no longer been needed.

Your point?  And why is it beneficial to pay people for doing no work?  Isnt it not better to assist them to find gainfull employment? 

But then the PPP wanted to reduce a segment of the Amerindian and African populations into dependent mendicancy.   Their problem being that "blackman too damn ungrateful" as they would take the bribe, and still vote PNC.

One is reality and the other is faith-based. It was a simple question. I have visited several Amerindian communities, had discussions with leaders, workers and community members and have not heard anything that is in congruence with what Ramjattan posited. After the elections and with the discontinuance of the programme, community leaders in the communities I Visited expressed opposition to the move.

Minister Allicock charges… PPP closed the CSO programme –Not the gov’t, as is being claimed

August 21, 2015

 How's yo breath lately...pine sol?

Please see my response to Mitts. Also, as I have stated several times, I am not responsible for anything the PPP has done. I had thought that the April thing was a budget allocation and budget year matter. For the communities I have visited, these individuals preformed useful work in the community and were missed when their employment was not continued.

when time permits, we might be able  get into a serious discussion on vote buying and its role in retention of power. 

i do agree that it is beneficial to help people gain employment. It is tragic that so many youths leave the school system, either as graduates or having dropped out and cannot find employment, or not find employment in their field of expertise. This occurs in the city and in the countryside among all races but predominantly among the two major races. question to ponder - does the exception prove the rule or does it point to the weakness of making generalizations? 

The PPP was in power after April, so had the time to allocate funds beyond that.

This was a vote buying scheme, and there were no plans to extend it further, otherwise funds would have already been allocated.  With elections in May, there would have been no new budget until after then.

And what skills were these people gaining that would have allowed them to become independent, and able to find work for themselves?

And what adds fat to the fire is when the PPP virtually kidnapped some tochaos, and tried to bully them into not attending the annual Tochao meeting.  Even when out of power, the PPP still tries to treat Amerindians as children.

Would employment itself not create some skills, etc? Also,  I know that job-embedded professional development is the best form of PD. I now that some of the skills I Learnt when I had my first set of Jobs in Canada are still with me and I know they made me better able to function in the job environment  there.

I am unaware of any kidnapping of at tashaos or virtual kidnapping of them. I was off line for approx eight days because I was on holidays. I do agree with you that Amerindians have been marginalized in our society, as in many others. We need to go beyond platitudes and political discourse. In the long term, they will have to decide for themselves what they want their future to be and the national government and other agencies will then have to work with them to achieve that. The first step is for them to be involved in decisions that affect their communities and community members. Make no mistake about this, both major political parties and the UF have used the Amerindians in their politics.

Patronage jobs create a state of dependency.  The PPP bribed for votes by doing this.  What skills did those people get? Plus PPP bribed tochaos aren't a credible source of information, especially as many will change their tune, once APNU/AFC largesse begins to pour their way.

There was money to pay these people up to April (up to elections)  The PPP was in power up to May 11th.  Can you explain why there was not money allocated to pay these people longer than this?

The fact that you are unaware that some tochaos visting G/town were hijacked by PPP officials, warned not to attend the national tochao conferences, and bribed to return is your issue.  This allegation was made and the PPP hasn't denied this, so clearly the reports aren't false.  And in fact this behavior is much in keeping with the Jagdeo modus.

Giving Jagdeo carte blanche to ru(I)n the PPP will ensure its demise.  He is a dictator, and a power drunk lunatic in the same way as Forbes Burnham was.  However the world has changed and has less patience for that "Big Man" rule that was the case up to the 70s. 

Aside from Ralph Gonzalves of St Vincent, Bouterse, and maybe the President of Haiti, there are NO "BIG MAN" leaders left in CARICOM.  We will see if the Vincentian don't boot him out, just like Guyanese booted out the Ramotar puppet regime, which we now can confirm was a Jagdeo front.  And just like how people from St Kitts Nevis also got rid of their BIG MAN.

Give him some time. PNC will kick him aside.

Ramjattan should stop being fixated on BJ and start proving himself.  He was very critical of the PPP and their "incompetency", now he win, show abie his "competency", we waiting!!

In at least two of the communities, I am not regarded as an outsider. Furthermore, I did do some work with the community workers in their roles, so not unisource. Yes, it is anecdotal. Regarding the Tashaos. So this is an allegation with no charges laid. I guess where there is smoke there is some fire. One has to accept the wisdom of the voters regardless of whether they choose someone we are not in favour of. Regarding jagdeo, many in the PPp will argue different. Time will tell. Slowly, the dictators  and caudillos are being turfed out, replaced by democratic and more responsive governments. There is some debate whether this is all good.  I do not think that the average guy or girl in an Amerindian village cares whether their job is patronage. It puts money in the pocket. What about those jobs handed out by both the PNC and PPP governments. Many people are forced to accept jobs because of circumstances and make the most of it, develop themselves so that they can move out and move on. It is easy for someone not faced with these circumstances to pontificate.

Patronage jobs are designed to buy votes.  Once the election passes they disappear, as the votes are already cast.  Or a new gov't comes in and doesn't see why party hacks of the opposition should be rewarded.

So how does this help those who have become dependent on those jobs?  If these were real jobs then they would have been permanent. but being patronage jobs these aren't created because of the value created, so are easily ended when some bureaucratic sees fit.

As far as I know, these jobs were created a considerable time before the elections. Secondly, in any Amerindian community, there is a high level of unemployment. Anything that helps to put food on the table is better than nothing. I still believe that even if the job is short term or political patronage, one can develop skills that will make one more employableare in the future. 

Most elections  are about buying votes with the taxpayer money. Or the money donated to the political parties, lots of promises about jobs, employment, in addition to services, etc. Are these jobs creating dependency?

what "jobs"/"skills" are you babbling about here?

defending indefensible acts of the PPP with incoherence and stupidity is a bloody shame and lowers you below even the very low bar set for bitter-ender tribal ignars on GNI

And yet the PPP did not build these jobs into a PERMANENT budgetary allocation.

How does it help people if their jobs are short term, and aren't such that they can make a transition to something more permanent?  That keeps people in dependent poverty, but then this is all the PPP sees with Amerindians.