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Standing up and defending what is right cannot be construed as mirroring indiscipline

MARCH 18, 2012 | BY  | FILED UNDER LETTERS 

 

 

Dear Editor,
Please allow me to respond to a letter by the Honorable Minister of Home Affairs in the print press on 12-03-15 and other articles on 2012-03-16 regarding statements made by me arising from the $90.Million dollars elections fund allocation to the Police. Hereafter I shall not proffer any further communication on the subject.
Let me begin by reiterating that I stand by what was said in the press. I also emphatically maintain, amidst much chagrin and frustration, that my failure to disclose a cheque should not be perceived as an intention to cover for any malpractice by me or anyone who worked with me during that challenging period.
This meager sum was grossly inadequate and by its infinitesimal nature, taken in the context of several millions of dollars, which should have been given, was regarded with much distaste as having had no major impact on the situation and maybe that is why I happened to sign it several days after, realizing that I had other monies available. In short; I kept focusing on the forest and lost sight of the trees.
Fortunately it was assuring to note one commander admitting, though anonymously, that he received a similar sum and obviously this sum received by me, would have been brought to light during the investigation by the Office of Professional Responsibility.
Hence I will not lose any sleep over this paltry sum. In fact I am more disappointed that the more than 1.5 Million dollars which I received through donations from Miners and Businessmen was spent on Election duties, now realizing that the greater portion of the huge sum of 90 million dollars was allocated to cover such activity.
It should be viewed as unfortunate and with some amount of concern for professional ethics, commanders who thanked and lauded the notable contributions of the business community in the print and electronic press, but which certainly contrasted significantly with the information provided by the Force Administration that is to say that millions of dollars were given to them. However it ‘was not intended for the commanders to receive financial assistance from the Force in the form of goods and other items.
Mr. Editor, The Honorable Minister stated in his letter that my breach of the Force Standing Order is ‘unpardonable’ and that resulting from my disclosures of ‘classified’ information, that I placed a matter of an internal issue, and which in his opinion could have been dealt with internally, in the realm of Politicians and the Media thereby providing ‘ammunition’ for these groups, perceived to be anti Police and anti Government , to continue to criticize, which they never fail to do, and seem to enjoy doing.
I do not agree that the information was classified and in fact the media, a key stake holder in society plays an important role in holding us all to account. Further let me categorically state that in any democratic society it is more, rather than often, through relentless quizzing and unfettered criticism that such democracy is kept in check. In the extant case, the criticisms were constructive and led to exposing of a grave issue. For sure, if left to some officials, this matter would be handled in the same contumely manner in the future. Further it was deliberated, that with the influence of the minister on the Officer corps, the Conference was not a suitable nor sufficient forum to discuss the issue of elections financing.
Therefore I do not share the view that the Standing Orders are cast in stone. It cannot supersede nor circumvent my fundamental right to freedom of expression, over the very salient issue of welfare and conditions of service during National Elections and over which we, officers and ranks alike, were made to compromise our professionalism, countrywide. Neither should my absence from the Officer’s Conference have irked the minister, in such magnitude that I was the subject of much discussion, amounting to some ridicule.
I will never dispute the magnitude of growth and development visited upon my being, since my entry into the Force and each day I do endeavour to reciprocate. But does this mean that my conscience must be traded at all times?
All those who subscribe to the view which allows oneself to be so consumed by a career that it becomes the whole of one’s existence, certainly would have no part of their human psyche left which is separate and inviolable. For me good leadership means standing up for moral and ethical issues with a view to bring about much needed change for the future. Of course this is always onerous and requires real courage, apart from being prepared to go it alone. Standing up and defending that which is right cannot be construed as mirroring indiscipline. The word ‘discipline’ must be appropriately defined as meaning fairness, understanding and reason.
During my entire career, I have aspired to alleviate the socio economics of ranks and there are numerous positive developments during my command thus far, to substantiate. I am well aware of the responsibilities of command and leadership, among the most sacred being to take care of ranks and ensure that they are asked to perform in conditions conducive to effective and efficient service. This is so despite being told, ever so often by contemporaries and seniors, to ‘slow down’, ‘relax’ and ‘take it easy’, these obviously not being compatible with the elements of my personality, hence I really find it difficult to be quiet with issues of a serious nature.
Finally I am fully supportive of civilian oversight of the Force and have on a number of occasions publicly said to the rank and file that the public has the right, through their representatives, and by others, to question our actions, hold us to account and monitor our work. What is difficult to contemplate and ever so often has brought controversy, surrounding perceived interference, is oversight which becomes so intrusive to the extent that it manifests itself into civilian command of the Force. This can and does adversely affect professionalism, resulting in indecisiveness, ineffectiveness and inefficiency from Officers. No wonder the Honorable Minister so often chides and vents his frustration at the inordinate length of time it takes to get simple things done.
The Constitution provides for civilian control of the Force but the command of the Force is the province of the Commissioner, under section 7 of the Police Act.
David Ramnarine, Assistant Commissioner

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With  surgical precision Asistant  Commissioner  David  Ramnarine delicately sliced  Goat-Ain't-bite-me Rohee a  new bung hole. Unfortunately for  the  Guyana  Police  Force  and  the  People of  Guyana, a  young ,  bright, upstanding  and  promising leader of  the  GPF is  about  to  be  squelched by this jackass and  he  will get  away with  it. Why?   Because   leadership in the  GPF  is crowded with  too  many 'yes men '  jockeying  for  position and  deathly afraid  to  rock  the boat. For  one  I pray  that  the COP  and  other pipsqueaks  prove me wrong.

 

Kudo  to  David  Ramnarine! His  career  may  be  over, but his carat  goes up and  wider and  better  doors lies ahead.

FM
Minister Rohee asks that Asst Commissioner Ramnarine be disciplinedPDFPrintE-mail
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Monday, 19 March 2012 21:53
THE Ministry of Home Affairs (MOHA), is once again compelled to respond to certain matters which Police “C” Divisional Commander, David Ramnarine, has raised in a letter published in his name in the Stabroek News and Kaieteur News  of March 19, 2012 respectively. 

Minister Clement Rohee

A statement from the ministry last evening said, “The Ministry of Home Affairs stands firm in its view that all members of the Guyana Police Force,

David Ramnarine

without exception, from Constable to Commander, must uphold the Standing Orders of the Guyana Police Force. 
“Mr Ramnarine is wrong in seeking to make himself an exception from a long established custom and practice, and to cover that exception under the guise of his Constitutional Rights as a citizen of Guyana.
“Unlike hundreds of thousands of citizens of Guyana, Mr Ramnarine has the authority and powers under the Police Act Chapter:16:01 to deny any citizen, albeit temporarily, certain Constitutional rights such as his Freedom of Movement and Association.
“He can order the arrest, detention and facilitate the prosecution of any citizen, who in his view, breaches any law, considered a breach of the peace and the good order in communities under his jurisdiction.
“Mr Ramnarine can order an investigation by ranks under his command into any matter of a criminal nature that can affect the lives of citizens. Mr Ramnarine therefore is no ordinary citizen; he is vested with powers unlike the common man and woman in our society.
“The question is, since all other ranks of the Force have the same Constitutional rights which Mr. Ramnarine claims as personal to him, how come other ranks have opted to uphold the Standing Orders of the Guyana Police Force, while at the same time, being fully aware of their Constitutional Rights, but chose not to dabble in politics and babble in the press everyday?
“It must be borne in mind that Ramnarine serves at the highest level of the Force, yet he has chosen to set a bad example for the Force under cover of his Constitutional Rights. His actions are careless, mutinous and unlawful.

“Part III of the Police (Discipline) Act Chap (17:01) states:
“Any Member of the Force (other than the Commissioner) who communicates to the publisher or Editor of any newspaper or to any unauthorized person any matter connected with the Force without the permission of the Commissioner; commits an offence against discipline, and is liable to such punishment as may be imposed upon him, by the Commissioner or the Disciplinary Authority, in accordance with the provisions of the Schedule, except that no punishment provided in Sub-Paragraph (d), (e), (f), or (g) or paragraph 1 of the schedule shall be imposed on a Special Constable who has not been called out full time service” .

“In his letter to the Editor of Stabroek News and Kaieteur News, Mr. Ramnarine, contrary to long established customs and traditions of the Guyana Police Force, chose to parade publicly his personal political views on matters such as governance, political democracy and the role and functions of the Office of the Minister of Home Affairs vis-à-vis the Police Act.

“The Commander accuses the Ministry of intruding into the affairs of the Force.
“The Minister of Home Affairs has had cause to privately caution Mr. Ramnarine on several occasions about the demerits of his arguments, and the harm it can cause to and within the Force. Subsequent developments proved these efforts futile.
“Moreover, since the PPP/C Administration must bear full responsibility for any upsurge in criminal activities and a breakdown in public order, does Mr. Ramnarine expect the Minister of Home Affairs to sit back and tell the Police Commissioner nothing, while Mr Ramnarine and his satraps sit back in their exalted chambers and rub their hands in glee? And when the Minister, according to the Police Act, gives “general direction to the Commissioner” in respect of criminal and public order issues in Guyana, Mr Ramnarine, deems this intrusive.
“In the circumstances, the Minister of Home Affairs hereby declares that he has lost confidence in the Guyana Police Force’s Commander at ‘C’ Division, and as a consequence, has written to the Commissioner of Police (ag) drawing to his attention, his concerns about the conduct of Assistant Commissioner Ramnarine and has requested that action be taken at his level in accordance with the Police (Discipline) Act Chap 17:01

 

Someone  ought  to  remind this  moron that  what  he now seek to condemn In  David  Ramnarine, is exactly  what  the  PPP encouraged, extolled and  expected from  fair  and  decent  minded  officers during  the Kabaka's era.  Deputy  Commissioner Mentore and  many other brave  souls paid  a very high  price for  their conscience and  unselfish act  of  defiance  against  a dictator. The  names  of Neville  Sobers,  Dick  LaBorde,  Neil  Isacs,  Isic Soobryan...   are  still  revered  and  respected by those imbued with a sense of  moral and  ethical values. 

 Kudo  to  you  Mr. Ramnarine!  Keep  your  head  high and  let  the light  shine  far  and  wide. Don't  be  kowtowed by  this weasel!

FM

So Ramnarine lied about receiving no monies, even thought the sum was paltry. The fact that he lied to sensationalize the issue is troubling and raises questions about his own integrity.  

FM

Look how coolies like crab donk dem mattie coolies.  Datt why dem blackman a c.untrol da security an' ah gah abie wid gun abie head.  Dem black bais a plot wid PNC foa beat donk and kill abie an' ayuh ring alyuh haan.  Dem corrupt PPP nah waan coolie incharg soa dem cyan run dem corrptshun wid dem black bais who looking foa lil milk.

FM

Ramnarine admitted he lied about the money but feel it is NOT a BIG deal. HAHAHA This Chap got promoted to Asst Commander?? How??? Why???. When yuh think he gun get promoted again. I will bet he gun join PNC soon.  MOST disgruntle Indians are quick to jump ship.

Nehru

Ramnarine’s name should not have been on the cheque

March 20, 2012 | By | Filed Under Letters 

 

 

Dear Editor,


I refer to your article ‘Rohee dismisses call for audit of police $90M’ (SN march 16, 2012) for which I was intrigued by the fact that the cheque allocated to buy food and cover transportation for policemen had the name D. Ramnarine Asst. Commissioner as the payee.


My recollection of how the government accounting system worked in the past would not have permitted such madness.  Mr. Ramnarine’s name should only appear as the payee, if the entire sum was an advance to him personally to engage in government work and for which he would have produced receipts and vouchers to clear the advance.


Alternatively, if the money was the sum of advances to individual policemen as was likely the case, then they each should have had personal cheques written in their names with supporting documentation.


Also, if the money was to pay for transportation, then the name of the provider of the transportation service should have appeared on the cheque. Similarly, a cheque should have been prepared for the supplier of the food and a cashier/paymaster should have been directly in charge of the process not the Asst. Commissioner.

This approach allows transparency and accountability as an appropriate paper trail is established for government follow up work, if the need arises.


Currently, the present system opens too many opportunities for fraud as it makes the ultimate payee invisible. This is how it was done when the supplier of the service could not read or write, but policemen certainly have those skills and therefore this is the wrong methodology.


What is more disturbing, however, is the fact that by placing Mr. Ramnarine’s name on the cheque, he is no longer a policeman responsible for police work at election time, but he is now a supplier and accountant for non police services. What a waste of talent.


Equally troubling is the fact that Mr. Ramnarine was turned into a ‘Fundraiser in Chief’ in the Community for which he had to apply the law of the land.


What an untenable and compromised situation to be sucked into because of failed oversight. Unquestionably, an audit is necessary and the accounting system needs to be upgraded for policemen must be policemen and not anything else.
C. Kenrick Hunte

 

An audit should be commenced immediately.

 
 
Mitwah
Originally Posted by Nehru:

Ramnarine admitted he lied about the money but feel it is NOT a BIG deal. HAHAHA This Chap got promoted to Asst Commander?? How??? Why???. When yuh think he gun get promoted again. I will bet he gun join PNC soon.  MOST disgruntle Indians are quick to jump ship.

Nehru, apart from Ramnaraine’s explanation that this cheque was received some time after 28th November 2011,  we should be even more concerned that the cheque was drawn on the Central Police Welfare Fund and to him personally.

It should be noted that, in all of the responses from the Guyana Police Force and that of the Minister of Home Affairs, Mr. Clement Rohee, on Thursday 15th March 2012, there was no mention of the Central Police Welfare Fund.

 

Please note when Rohee was questioned about the relationship between the Central Police Welfare Fund and feeding of the Policemen and women, Rohee did not give an answer. 

 

The way the funds were handled leaves room for fraud. Ramnarine is doing exactly what Cheddi taught the boys to do during Kabaka's dickatorship.

Mitwah
Originally Posted by Sledgehammer:

Look how coolies like crab donk dem mattie coolies.  Datt why dem blackman a c.untrol da security an' ah gah abie wid gun abie head.  Dem black bais a plot wid PNC foa beat donk and kill abie an' ayuh ring alyuh haan.  Dem corrupt PPP nah waan coolie incharg soa dem cyan run dem corrptshun wid dem black bais who looking foa lil milk.

Don't overexert your puny intellect trying to mitigate out of control PPP crime with FEAR of the Black man.

 

Just take care . . . your flabby reflexes are leading you AGAIN into those dark places . . . the lacunae of the lost bigot - CONFUSED and irredeemably stupid.

FM

Mits, There are obviously carelessness in the way things were done but there is no proof of FRAUD. Mr Ramnarine is probably unaware that MR Rohee IS his Boss and there can be consequences for not following protocol. I am sure the way the transactions were done is business as usual in Guyana. I am not saying it is RIGHT. Maybe there needs to be strict guidelines for ALL Agencies to follow. In most Countries Mr Ramnarine would have been fired or disciplined.

Nehru

Nehru, please pay attention to MR. C. Ram's take on this:

 

The Ministry of Home Affairs last week issued a statement in attempt to clear the air on a contentious $90M that was drawn from the Consolidated Fund.


The ministry had also published the copy of a Police Welfare Fund cheque paid to Assistant Commissioner David Ramnarine.






This was after Ramnarine, who was Commander of the Police Interior Division, had indicated that he did not receive any money from the police to provide for his ranks during last November’s General and Regional Elections.






“If Rohee thinks that he has embarrassed Ramnarine, he has raised serious issues of the Minister of Finance,” Christopher Ram told this newspaper.






The prominent Accountant, who is also an attorney at law, explained that the government had sought the $90M under line item 6261 which caters for local travel and subsistence. This, he said, has nothing to do with the Police Welfare Fund.






Payments of such nature should be done via a Bank of Guyana cheque drawn on the police account.






“The Minister of Home Affairs and the Commissioner of Police should be prosecuted. They cannot legally put the money into the Welfare Fund,” Ram stated emphatically.

 

 

Mitwah
Originally Posted by redux:
Originally Posted by Sledgehammer:

Look how coolies like crab donk dem mattie coolies.  Datt why dem blackman a c.untrol da security an' ah gah abie wid gun abie head.  Dem black bais a plot wid PNC foa beat donk and kill abie an' ayuh ring alyuh haan.  Dem corrupt PPP nah waan coolie incharg soa dem cyan run dem corrptshun wid dem black bais who looking foa lil milk.

Don't overexert your puny intellect trying to mitigate out of control PPP crime with FEAR of the Black man.

 

Just take care . . . your flabby reflexes are leading you AGAIN into those dark places . . . the lacunae of the lost bigot - CONFUSED and irredeemably stupid.

Haha, dah wan good wan bai, ah weh yuh haal am out from.  Like yuh hopin foa lil milk fom dem BJ bais or wah.  Nah mek worries, 'e gos wuk.  Ah wah yuh mean flabby relex nah, mi lil dugla gyal like how tings deh bai, wysiwyg.

FM

Part III of the Police (Discipline) Act Chap (17:01) states:“Any Member of the Force (other than the Commissioner) who communicates to the publisher or Editor of any newspaper or to any unauthorized person any matter connected with the Force without the permission of the Commissioner; commits an offence against discipline, and is liable to such punishment as may be imposed upon him, by the Commissioner or the Disciplinary Authority, in accordance with the provisions of the Schedule

 

When  an individual's personal  and  professional integrity  is  at  stake,  the principle of  natural  justice ought to take  precedence over  any Organizational/ Departmental Standing Orders, particularly  so when such  breach of professionalism and ethics has  been compromised  by  directives and orders coming  from one's superior. In  this  instance, Assistant Commissioner Ramnarine and  all commanders'  personal  and  professional integrity was  placed in  jeopardy when:

 

Police  Chief  Henry  Greene   advised his  them  that  there was  no  budget for in-lined ranks under   their  command during  the  election  period and that they should seek  donations  from  business  and  individuals  in their communities. This  directive is indeed one  of the  most   shameless assault on  ethics  and  professionalism  that  has soiled the  fabric of a  once  respected organization. In  essence,  such directive have  the effect of  turning the  men & women  of  Law & Order  into beggars and  shake  down  artist. In  my  opinion,  this  was  the  opportune  time for the  commanders to refuse  such  directive and  tell  Greene where    to  go fly a kite.  This  is  the point  where I would blame  Ramnarine   for not  taking  a firm and  timely  stand against what  was clearly an  unprofessional,  unethical, boldface and shameless  exercise of indigence  and impecuniosity of members of the GPF.

 

Having molested the publicfor donation to feed the ranks under his command and then to learn that $90 million dollars was in fact budgeted for such exercise, any decent person would feel outrage and lied to by by their superior and take the necessary action to clear their name and set the record straight.


When you send police in their  community with a tin cup to plea indigence  and impecuniosity,  you are  indeed  bartering  their  independence , professionalism and  personal  integrity and you  flimsy  shield of  Standing  Orders is  not  going  to  save  you  from  the  deluge  of  ca-ca  coming  your  way. Now,  go wipe  four  face  Goat-Ain't-bite-me-man!

FM
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Originally Posted by Nehru:

Ramnarine admitted he lied about the money but feel it is NOT a BIG deal. HAHAHA This Chap got promoted to Asst Commander?? How??? Why???. When yuh think he gun get promoted again. I will bet he gun join PNC soon.  MOST disgruntle Indians are quick to jump ship.

Bai, alyuh wah jump cu.ntry shud nah taak.  Alyuh jump run deh an' a talk bout abie donk hay.  Come donk hay an' den yuh cyan taak but who ah jump ship.  From wah abie see, nuff blackman a jump PNC ship and goa PPP.

FM

Rohee seems to be hiding and is refusng to talk about Henry Green Rape charge.

Berbicians want to know Why??????

 

Rohee is very angry Assistant Commishoner David Ramnarine has cleared his name and made sure every Guyanese know he is not part of or nvolved in the Missing 90 Million Dollar which disappeared and neither Henry Green  or Rohee can account for.

Berbicans want to know WHY???

 

 

Both Rohee and Green are thieves.

Berbicians want to know Why Ramotar is Silent on this matter?????

 

 

Boy it look like Freedom House got problems.

Berbicians looking on carefully.

 

 

FM

Auditor General opens probe into $90M allocation

“I will be following the money trail”

By Michael Younge

Auditor General Deodat Sharma said his office has commenced an investigation aimed at determining exactly how the $90 million allocation to the Guyana Police Force to cover expenses during the election period was spent.
During an interview with Guyana Times on Tuesday, Sharma said a team has been delegated to scrutinise the allocation’s disbursement and utilisation, as public concerns grow over the actual expenditure of the funds.

Auditor General Deodat Sharma

He said that already his office has engaged several individuals who received and spent parts of the monies as documented in the correspondence received by his agency. “I will be following the money trail,” he declared, adding that he will stop at nothing until proper account is given for every cent that the Parliament would have approved as supplementary funds.
He explained that all of the commanders who received monies or claimed that they did not will also be subject to his audit. Sharma also explained that the work undertaken is expected to last for approximately one month.
He said that conducting the audit “was not hard” and it would not affect the current work load of the agency. Sharma was adamant that the audit when completed would serve to put rest any suspicions that there may have been financial discrepancies, breaches of accounting procedures, or fraud.
He did say that the findings of audit would be handed over to the relevant authorities for recommended action or follow-up as they seem fit based upon the content of the AG’s report.  Sharma said that no stone will be left unturned in determining how the monies were spent and whether they were spent in accordance with the purpose for which they were sourced initially. He said that his office will be working with the office of the home affairs minister and the Guyana Police Force as well, to ascertain any assistance as may become necessary. He stressed that he never got the impression that the minister wanted to ‘stop or obstruct” him from proceeding with an audit and investigation.  Home Affairs Minister Clement Rohee had chastised the Kaieteur News for seeking to suggest that he was trying in some way to obstruct the work of the audit office because of his personal position on the need for an actual investigation.
Rohee said in a statement that he was satisfied said his ministry had last week offered the requisite explanation as to how the monies were disbursed and spent, and did not see it fit to call in the auditor general amid requests by the opposition for an investigation.  “There is no mystery about how this money was spent,” Rohee had told Parliament, stating that he was satisfied that all documents were received and monies accounted for. He further explained to the media that he would not do anything to compromise the outcome or hinder the work of the constitutional audit office of Guyana. The contentious issue is the claim by some divisional commanders, especially Assistant Commissioner David Ramnarine, that they were not provided with monies to properly look after their ranks during the inlying period for last year’s elections. Two weeks after the allegations were made, the Guyana Police Force belatedly refuted the claims and provided a breakdown of how the money was allocated to each division and specific departments of the force.
The Home Affairs Ministry has said that the $90 million allocated to the Guyana Police Force was to meet the following expenditure: $39,641,200 to take care of a budgetary shortfall to run the routine operations of the police force under line item 6261 – Local Travel and Subsistence. This shortfall was brought to the attention of the Finance Ministry as early as the second quarter of 2011.
Secondly, $8,000,000 was provided to cater for the transport and travelling of ranks specific to general and regional elections activities. This sum was fully expended for this purpose; thirdly, $43,008,000 was provided for the feeding of police ranks who were inline prior to, during and after the elections.  According to the ministry, as is customary, the provision for the feeding of police ranks was consistent with the size, needs, and peculiarities of each divisional cluster. The Home Affairs Ministry said it is not reluctant to provide details of the utilisation of the $43,008,000, and has also provided a breakdown of the expenditure. “As was indicated in an earlier press release by the Guyana Police Force, the organisation is still holding the sum of $10,515,000, which represents the balance from the $43,008,000 to ensure that all payments relating to activities specific to the feeding of ranks for elections are being addressed. The Ministry of Home Affairs reiterates its strong commitment to strict financial accountability and wishes once again to assure the general public that at no time would it allow any breaches of the financial regulations to be occasioned.”
On Monday, the People’s National Congress Reform (PNCR) had called for an investigation into the allocation.  In a statement, the party said the publication of a cheque, for $320,000 made out to Assistant Commissioner David Ramnarine might have satisfied the general public that Ramnarine did receive some money. However, the issue is whether this was part of the $3.8 million allocated for E and F divisions, out of the $90 million.

 
FM

My observation is that the fact that common accounting practices were ignored and a personal check was made to Ramnarine reeks of corruption. The 300k gy was definitely a bribe to keep his mouth shut, the only mistake he made was cashing the check made out to him with no indication of reason of usage. He took the bait when he cashed the check.

FM
Originally Posted by BGurd_See:

My observation is that the fact that common accounting practices were ignored and a personal check was made to Ramnarine reeks of corruption. The 300k gy was definitely a bribe to keep his mouth shut, the only mistake he made was cashing the check made out to him with no indication of reason of usage. He took the bait when he cashed the check.

In order to reach assistant rank he had to know the system - corruption and all. He dose'nt fool me, there are no good cops in GY.  He is pissed off because Rohee short-change his corrupted ass. Being there, and done that yourself Mr BGuard  if you were in his position and were given  300 grand out of the 90mil loot what would you had done...lets hear... 

sachin_05

From abject poverty to one of Guyana’s leading lawmen-David Ramnarine is a special person

 

APRIL 11, 2010 | BY  | FILED UNDER NEWS 

Many people argue that poverty is a crime. Some have even gone further to suggest that crime is directly linked to poverty.
But the life of David Ramnarine, Assistant Commissioner of Police, would certainly dispel those myths.
From abject poverty, directly linked to an alcoholic father, Ramnarine rose out of the ashes to become one of Guyana’s leading lawmen.
A Berbician by birth, Ramnarine defied the odds to become one of Guyana’s most professional police officers. His parents initially could not afford to pay his O’level examination fees.
Ramnarine, born on June 5, 1969, is the sixth child of Kenneth and Amo Ramnarine of Rose Hall Town, Corentyne, where the youngster pursued his primary and secondary education.
His father worked at the Rose Hall Estate doing all kinds of job to try to make ends meet for his family of eight children.
The young lawman described his late father as a serious alcoholic, while his mother on the other hand tried desperately to raise a good family. Of course her efforts were derailed by her alcoholic husband.
“Any home that has the experience of a father that drinks a lot cannot be a comfortable, peaceful or a quiet home. Peace you’ll have for brief periods until your father comes home drunk, and then all hell breaks loose.
“That was one of the more traumatic periods in our lives when we were growing up. People in the community always used to be sorry for us because our father used to neglect us a lot. My mother used to try washing wares, being a domestic servant.
“In those days you basically slaved it out, washing wares and doing all kinds of odds and ends for people so that your children could get an education and something to eat,” Ramnarine recalled.
His youngest sister made the sacrifice of working as a waitress to supplement his mother’s meager income so that the others could pursue their secondary education.
“I recall clearly my father used to give my mother $40 per week and he used to put a licking on her when he wanted his rum. He would take back $20 from her. There were times when my brother and I had to tie my father down on the main post of the house to prevent him from doing a lot of nonsense.”
“I recall this lady Mrs. Kyte, I don’t know if she is still alive, always used to rescue us on the weekend – tea, breakfast and dinner.
“Clothing? The Beharrys, who are overseas now, they helped us out a lot too. The Somrah’s in Rose Hall Town. My father used to take a lot of credit from them. When he could not pay, they will write the bill off,” said Ramnarine.
His school life was also one of turbulence.
He remembered that whenever he or his siblings attempted to study, his father whom he described as a wicked man, would take out the main fuse.
“He would know when it was examination time. I don’t know what happened to him or why he used to behave like that, but we used to go in the backyard under the coconut trees and we used lanterns.”
Ramnarine attended the Rose Hall Town (Scot) Primary School and the Lower Corentyne Secondary school.
He remembered some of his headmasters, including Mr. Budnarine Tehal and Adam Hussein, who lived at the head of their street and who were quite aware of some of the hardships the family faced.
“When it arrived at a time when I had to write CXC, my mother couldn’t find the money for me to write eight subjects and I was forced to repeat fourth form because once you had gone over to fifth form you had to find the money to write the exams. I couldn’t find the money,” Ramnarine said.
This was despite Ramnarine being one of the ‘high-flyers’ in his class since according to him every one of his siblings read a lot.
He even used this to his advantage to raise lunch money on many days.
“I used to be helpful to a lot of my classmates. They always used to come to me when they had mathematical problems. In those days, too, for laughs, I never used to have snack money to take to school. So when they have a problem or they want an answer I would say that ‘it will cost you. At break time you will have to take me to the stand and buy something. So that was how it used to work out.”
At one time he even washed cars.
He credited some of his language skills to former teacher, Miss Leila Jaglall, who saw his potential from an early stage.
“I recall that I completed the second year in Fourth from, and ended up in her hands again, and I could not get to write a particular subject because I did not have the money. She called me and said, “Look, I know that you can pass literature. I’m gonna pay for you to write the subject.’ And she gave me$60 and said that she did not want it back. I passed with a grade two and she said that was her reward,” Ramnarine said.
But in those early years, Ramnarine and his siblings learnt some very important lessons. One of those lessons came about when his father actually sold their house with them inside unknown to them.
The family was rescued by a very good neighbour, who at the time was a Police Constable named John Newton Ross.
“Having married an East Indian woman, he lived next to us and he was eyewitness to what my father used to do. He always used to tell my father that he should be ashamed of his behaviour,” Ramnarine said.
At around that time, Ramnarine and most of his siblings had already left school.
Four of the family members had completed high school and were all teaching at secondary schools, which according to him was quite an achievement, given their turbulent upbringing.
“You know, when you look back you realise that a lot of people, in different ways, had a hand in maybe who you have arrived to be today.”
After leaving school at the age of 17, Ramnarine was not quite old enough to get a job in the Public Service like most young men.
So his first job was at a store owned by then Mayor of Rose Hall, John Merai, the brother of current Assistant Commissioner of Police, Steve Merai.
There was no thought at that time of becoming a policeman.
“It was twelve hours a day, six days a week. I started working for $20 per week. Mr Merai who knew my ability would always encourage me to go either to work at the estate or at the Ministry of Education. “
After reaching the age of maturity he applied to the Ministry of Education as well as the Albion estate for a job.
Soon after, he received a letter from the Ministry of Education, inviting him for an interview.
To his surprise, after completing the interview he left, feeling every bit as a newly appointed teacher.
That same day also, he received another reply, this time from the sugar corporation, inviting him for another job interview.
“But I had already made a decision with the Ministry of Education and I turned out the very next day, teaching at the Lower Corentyne Secondary School,” Ramnarine said.
He continued to teach for four years, gaining valuable experience which impacted his self confidence.
“I never regretted the choice. Teaching laid that foundation. It helped me to understand human behaviour. But there was a significant turn of events which I think propelled me into the police force.”
Although he was receiving rave reviews and initially thought of continuing in the profession, teaching had become too monotonous.
So a chance meeting with then Deputy Superintendent of Police, Clinton Conway, changed the course of his life.
“When I saw him all decked out in his brown clothing (uniform), I had to approach him to find out what opportunities there were in the police force. At that time I recalled that the police were conducting a recruitment drive.
“I met Mr Conway and he said, ‘Boy, we could well do with you’, and he gave me some advice,” Ramnarine stated.
He still was not committed to enlisting in the force. But an event changed his life for sure.
Ramnarine, the teacher, had administered corporal punishment to a student. A few days later he was attacked by the student’s father who punched him into unconsciousness.
The matter was taken to court and there Ramnarine had a firsthand experience of how the police operated, and he was impressed.
“At that time at the Rose Hall Outpost, Sergeant Mars was in charge and he was a very serious guy,” Ramnarine said.
But Ramnarine was not interested in retribution. He wanted to make a difference.
“Right away I said I’ve had enough of teaching. Something snapped in me. I felt there was nothing teaching had to offer me unless I went and got trained. I remembered Mr. Conway’s words to me and the following day in April 1991 I went to the training school in Adventure and I enlisted.”
That’s where it all started.
Ramnarine used his earlier body building and power lifting skills to his advantage during his training as a young policeman.
He also traded on the leadership skills that were evident in him from an early age.
“In school the teachers always picked me to say a poem whenever the President was visiting or things like that. I was always the captain of the cricket team. In church when there was a skit, I used to play three roles sometimes,” he said.
Upon completing his training he was posted to the Central Police Station New Amsterdam under the command of Assistant Commissioner Sydney Bunbury.
“At that time you had the three Bs in Berbice— Brathwaite, Brummell and Bunbury.”
His potential in the force was recognised when former Deputy Commissioner Sultan Kassim was retiring from the force.
Ramnarine was chosen by his officer, Stephen Collins, as the constable to deliver the vote of thanks at a special ceremony held in Kassim’s honour in Berbice.
Without a script, the young constable impressed all with his presentation, so much so that he was summoned to the Commander’s office the following day.
At first, Ramnarine thought that he was about to get a roasting but instead he was highly commended for his presentation by his Commander.
“He said to me, ‘what you said yesterday afternoon, you cannot be a Constable for long.’”
Following that episode, Bunbury took a special interest in moving Ramnarine around the various police departments to gain experience.
The young Constable continued to learn fast and it was no surprise when he was chosen to join the Guyana Defence Force’s Cadet Officer programme in April 1992.
He was the only policeman in the programme.
For the next 11 months he underwent the rigorous training the course offered and thanks to his earlier body building experience he successfully completed the course.
“After about 11 months on the Square of the Revolution, only nine of us stood up.”
However, the course had not been without hiccups for the young Ramnarine.
He had sustained an injury but since he had been excelling in the earlier part of the course he was allowed to continue by the then Chief-of-Staff, Retired Major General Joe Singh, through the recommendations of then Captain Gregory Gaskin of the Guyana Defence Force.
He also recalled limping into Police Headquarters Eve Leary and was met by the fiery Deputy Commissioner at the time, Deryck Thompson.
“Mr. Thompson said, ‘Ramnarine, what are you doing here? Don’t tell me you quit the programme. Get back there!’ He virtually sent me back. He said ‘you don’t know what you’re playing with, you’re playing with a future that is glorious for you.’”
It was only after Ramnarine explained that he had come to go to the quarter master stores that Thompson’s viciousness subsided.
“Anybody who takes that programme seriously will survive. The values you’re taught there, the method of instructions, the leadership qualities will remain with you. It is sad to see young officers throw this type of training in the gutters just for a few dollars more,” Ramnarine stated.
Soon after his graduation, Ramnarine was thrust into the real world of law enforcement.
In 1994, a big breakout had taken place at the Mazaruni Prison and the young cadet officer was sent as part of a 30-man unit to recapture the escaped convicts.
After a month in the jungle terrain of the Mazaruni, Ramnarine and his team managed to restore order with the killing of three of the escapees. The others finally surrendered.
“The result of the exercise was very positive. We hadn’t any negatives in terms of allegations.”
Then in 2004, Ramnarine, now an Assistant Superintendent in Berbice, was again chosen to lead a 10- man team to capture the notorious Hilton Rodrigues, called ‘Chammar, this time by his new Commander Larry George.
After sleeping in a barrack room for about five months, the team finally got good intelligence on Rodrigues, who was subsequently taken out, although, unfortunately one of the policemen lost his life.
He served in many other departments of the force and is grateful to current Commissioner of Police Henry Greene, who was then the commander of the police’s A Division for placing confidence in him, while he was a young officer.
Ramnarine then was transferred to Police Headquarters, Eve Leary, where he co-ordinated the Community Policing arm of the force.
His language potential was soon recognised by the then Commissioner of Police, Laurie Lewis, who assigned him to the Police Public Relations Department.
At least Ramnarine appeared well fitted to handle both portfolios.
Then came the crime wave and Ramnarine had the unenviable task of recapturing the forces’ public image which had been taking a battering.
He succeeded to some extent with the help of Royston King who was at the time a Public Relations consultant to the Guyana Police Force.
Several overseas engagements were also afforded him and he grasped the experiences with both hands.
He also had a sting as the court superintendent where he had the opportunity of meeting with magistrates and the director of public prosecutions on a regular basis, engagements which he treasures. Being a police officer, Ramnarine was posted to several divisions where he acted as Deputy Commander on several occasions.
It was while acting as Deputy Commander of the West Demerara division that another notorious criminal, Neil Bovell, was finally taken out.
But crowning of his career so far was when at the age of 40, he was appointed Assistant Commissioner of Police and took over the running of Guyana Police Force’s largest division in terms of geography, E&F Division.
Ramnarine said that despite his rapid elevation in the force, he does not aspire to be the Commissioner just yet
.
He believes that there are other colleagues who are more endowed at the moment and he is just prepared to support them in every way.
But if he had the choice to live his life all over again, even under different circumstances than that of his formative years, he certainly would be a policeman again.

FM

Thank god the PNC is gone from office. Our people at all levels of society can voice their concerns on issues without fear from the government.  Lets safeguard this important gain from those who are exploiting it with the objective of ruining our country again.

Billy Ram Balgobin
Originally Posted by sachin_05:
Originally Posted by BGurd_See:

My observation is that the fact that common accounting practices were ignored and a personal check was made to Ramnarine reeks of corruption. The 300k gy was definitely a bribe to keep his mouth shut, the only mistake he made was cashing the check made out to him with no indication of reason of usage. He took the bait when he cashed the check.

In order to reach assistant rank he had to know the system - corruption and all. He dose'nt fool me, there are no good cops in GY.  He is pissed off because Rohee short-change his corrupted ass. Being there, and done that yourself Mr BGuard  if you were in his position and were given  300 grand out of the 90mil loot what would you had done...lets hear... 

You mistake me with flour thief Sase and Gmoney, two folks who are very familiar, up close and personal, with the culture of corruption and bribery.  Never the less, my opinion is that Ramnarine did not like the size of the bribe and decide to embarrass Green by going public. 

FM

Assistant Police Commander, Mr. David Ramnarine’s outburst is cleverly orchestrated as a distraction to his benefit, knowing he is the subject of an investigation for demanding a total of $13 million from two businessmen while he served the interior area, E and F Division.

Mr. Ramnarine has since established gold dredging operations in the interior and a grocery store on the West Bank of Demerara. Last year he also purchased two houses.
It is absolutely clear that Mr. Ramnarine is trying to cloud the eventuality or cast doubts about any investigation into these allegations of impropriety. He is setting the stage to cry foul and make claims of victimization on the grounds that he is being target for the controversy he created over elections fund to the police.
 
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FM

Dem boys seh…Henry de Yellow mouth paste up wid EvoStick on de $90 Michael

March 21, 2012 | By | Filed Under Dem Boys Seh, Features / Columnists, News 

 

Birds of a feather does flock together. De Chronicle and de Hard Times paper deh together. None of dem does sell; de two of dem had one owner name de Rat; and de two of dem got dem girls writing fuh dem—Knee Ass, Kwame, Rum Atar and so on and so on. Dem like paste together.
Roti and Henry does flock together. Dem always together.  Dem lost dem US visa together; that stap dem from going to de States together. Dem only separate de other day when de $90 million come into play.
Henry suh vex that he ain’t seh a word up to now. He mouth paste up wid EvoStick and Gamma Cherry paste. He did tell dem boys that he nah get half as dem boys seh.  Henry seh that he deh off de wuk and people still call he name. He forget that he did wukking during de time when de money share. He seh that he can’t remember nutten. He get like Sam who couldn’t remember wha he sign.
De same way how Sam see he own signature on Fip  contract and seh that is nah he own, is de same way Henry see de cheque wid de Shaatie signature and he name and he seh that is not he name. How he name is Henry de Yellow.
De DPP now studying two file fuh he, wid two different name. He forget wha de first file was about. He waiting fuh he name call in court. Dem boys want see who gun tun up in court.
Dem other birds that does flock together. In fact, dem does fly together. De Rat, Bobby, Boyah, Brazzy, dem other Bees as well as Gerry and Manny. Some of dem flying suh high that de Americans gun clip dem wing. Dem boys praying fuh that day. Dem know that Uncle Donald ain’t gun clip dem. And is not that he ain’t got the power. Is just that he like joog joog—he too soft and like he getting more soft every day. Dem boys plan fuh give he Viagra mix wid Cialis and Granny Backbone fuh harden he.
At least fuh now dem boys very happy that he ain’t sign no contract because he and all can forget. But dem boys vex that he going through wid all dem other scampish, Rattish and unbelievable contracts. And is not dem alone. De whole country vex. And if he doubt call fuh a public debate pun de Marriott, de Airport and Amaila Falls contract.
If not call elections.
Talk half and wait fuh Henry talk he half.

 

 
Mitwah

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