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PPP executive and former speaker of the house, Ralph Ramkarran was recently quoted in the media calling on his party to open up the government to include the opposition.

This position was put to the head of the government during an interview, and in response President Donald Ramotar pointed out that his party has never been opposed to the idea.

In fact he noted that Mr. Ramkarran himself points to the late President Dr. Cheddi Jagan speaking to the whole question of shared governance and its benefits.

And according to Ramotar that position has not change, as the government he leads still believes that working together with the opposition and being able to trust each other and rely on each other can take Guyana forward.

However, a question he believes Ramkarran needs to ask is “has the opposition given the government any reason to trust them.

The president recalled many discussions and agreements since assuming office, including agreements pertaining to Linden, but noted that the opposition has reneged on most if not all.

He also point to the national assembly, which he considers the greatest testing ground for cooperation and questioned whether Ramkarran wants a replication of the parliamentary impasse in the cabinet.

And should that be the case, the president says the effects on Guyana’s progress will be devastating.

Nevertheless, the president maintains that he is not opposed to shared governance but reminded that it is a process.

Meanwhile, we also used the opportunity to raise the opposition’s concern over the budget consultations.

The opposition had indicated a lack of confidence in the process, claiming that nothing they offer will be included.

However the president recalled a different situation and said that the opposition’s position is probably geared at undermining trust, which he reminded, is the key element for shared governance.

He reminded that it was consultations on the 2012 budget which led to an increase in old age pension as put forward by the opposition.

As such he believes that there is no room for doubt in this process.

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Guyana has been tested and proved that a shared governance is not good for the country's prosperity. The oppositions demonstrated that they cannot be trusted to work in cooperation with the ruling party. If is has to come to a snap election then so be it. I believe in one party takes all. 

FM

You can only have shared governance with a constitution that explicitly promotes it. The present constitution and shared governance are like oil and water. It can only bring conflict instead of cooperation.

FM

You would have to get a two third majority to get the constitution changed, and its not going to happen any time soon. However, Mr.Ramotar is the fist president to rule under the term limit. I forsee a gridlock throughout Ramotar's presidency unless someone cross party line and do the honorable thing.

FM
Originally Posted by ABIDHA:

You would have to get a two third majority to get the constitution changed, and its not going to happen any time soon. However, Mr.Ramotar is the fist president to rule under the term limit. I forsee a gridlock throughout Ramotar's presidency unless someone cross party line and do the honorable thing.

 

That is to pass in in Parliament. All you require is a 51% majority of vote by the people to require constitutional reform. I am disappointed the AFC has not pushed for this given all the talks for snap election. This will need to go on the ballot like how you had state level ballots in the US recently dealing with issues like legalization of marijuana. Mr Granger is giving mixed messages by saying he will not go to election with the present Constitution and at the same time the PNC is saying it is prepared for snap election. 

FM
Originally Posted by Demerara_Guy:

Simply:

 

1. Major changes to the constitution require, at least, 66% of the members of parliament.

 

2. Minor changes to the constitution require a majority of votes.

I think you might be right here. Have to double check on this one.

FM
Originally Posted by TK:
Originally Posted by Demerara_Guy:

Simply:

 

1. Major changes to the constitution require, at least, 66% of the members of parliament.

 

2. Minor changes to the constitution require a majority of votes.

I think you might be right here. Have to double check on this one.

This specific item was discussed and explained on GNI through various threads and I, personally, showed the relevant portions of the Guyana constitution which I have outlined in the above two parts.

FM
Originally Posted by Demerara_Guy:
Originally Posted by TK:
Originally Posted by Demerara_Guy:

Simply:

 

1. Major changes to the constitution require, at least, 66% of the members of parliament.

 

2. Minor changes to the constitution require a majority of votes.

I think you might be right here. Have to double check on this one.

This specific item was discussed and explained on GNI through various threads and I, personally, showed the relevant portions of the Guyana constitution which I have outlined in the above two parts.

Point noted. However, I cannot humanly or physically read all of GNI. 

FM
Originally Posted by TK:
Originally Posted by Demerara_Guy:
Originally Posted by TK:
Originally Posted by Demerara_Guy:

Simply:

 

1. Major changes to the constitution require, at least, 66% of the members of parliament.

 

2. Minor changes to the constitution require a majority of votes.

I think you might be right here. Have to double check on this one.

This specific item was discussed and explained on GNI through various threads and I, personally, showed the relevant portions of the Guyana constitution which I have outlined in the above two parts.

Point noted. However, I cannot humanly or physically read all of GNI. 

This specific item was discussed between myself and a GNI poster with the username TK.

FM
Originally Posted by Demerara_Guy:
Originally Posted by TK:
Originally Posted by Demerara_Guy:
Originally Posted by TK:
Originally Posted by Demerara_Guy:

Simply:

 

1. Major changes to the constitution require, at least, 66% of the members of parliament.

 

2. Minor changes to the constitution require a majority of votes.

I think you might be right here. Have to double check on this one.

This specific item was discussed and explained on GNI through various threads and I, personally, showed the relevant portions of the Guyana constitution which I have outlined in the above two parts.

Point noted. However, I cannot humanly or physically read all of GNI. 

This specific item was discussed between myself and a GNI poster with the username TK.

I doubt that. But you can always provide the link since you have all the time. 

FM
Originally Posted by TK:
Originally Posted by Demerara_Guy:
This specific item was discussed between myself and a GNI poster with the username TK.

I doubt that. But you can always provide the link since you have all the time. 

That is the fact that occurred on GNI.

 

Do your own checking.

FM
Originally Posted by Demerara_Guy:
Originally Posted by TK:
Originally Posted by Demerara_Guy:
This specific item was discussed between myself and a GNI poster with the username TK.

I doubt that. But you can always provide the link since you have all the time. 

That is the fact that occurred on GNI.

 

Do your own checking.

Sorry...I don't have the time for trivialities.  

FM

Granger looking optimistic these days. Dem APNU boys counting on the AFC comrades. The Guyanese people are on their toes staring at the circus going in the parliament. Politicians on trapeze doing all sorts of amazing things.

Guyana has not been in reverse gear for twenty years. It looks like we're going to go in reverse gear now.

Billy Ram Balgobin

“Still has not gotten over his disappointment”, that is how an official described the latest attack against the People’s Progressive Party by former Central Committee member Ralph Ramkarran.
The official noted that no genuine friend of the PPP will engage in spreading such untruth about the party and its governance which continue transform the nation, “Ambition is not a bad character trait but its how one deals with disappointment when a particular goal does not materialize. Ramkarran comments are unfortunate, especially playing the politics of race, “it is sad that Ramkarran apparently only sees Guyanese only as political pawns and through the color of their skin. That has never been the policy of the PPP and it never will”.

FM
Originally Posted by TK:

You can only have shared governance with a constitution that explicitly promotes it. The present constitution and shared governance are like oil and water. It can only bring conflict instead of cooperation.

I agree with you.  You need to have clear parameters for all stakeholder and rules of hierarchy and engagement.  Effective Shared Govt will require  a total re-write of the constitution.

FM
Originally Posted by ABIDHA:

Guyana has been tested and proved that a shared governance is not good for the country's prosperity. The oppositions demonstrated that they cannot be trusted to work in cooperation with the ruling party. If is has to come to a snap election then so be it. I believe in one party takes all. 

HAHAHA!!! you funny.

As long as it's your party right?

 

HAHAHAHA!!!

FM
Originally Posted by Conscience:

“Still has not gotten over his disappointment”, that is how an official described the latest attack against the People’s Progressive Party by former Central Committee member Ralph Ramkarran.
The official noted that no genuine friend of the PPP will engage in spreading such untruth about the party and its governance which continue transform the nation, “Ambition is not a bad character trait but its how one deals with disappointment when a particular goal does not materialize. Ramkarran comments are unfortunate, especially playing the politics of race, “it is sad that Ramkarran apparently only sees Guyanese only as political pawns and through the color of their skin. That has never been the policy of the PPP and it never will”.

What a fool.  The man was an insider for a long time.  If anyone should know the inner workings of the party it should be him.  The PPP is all about race based politcs.  The average person in the street knows that. So the public does not need Mr Ramkarran to tell them that.  We feel and see it in action.  These morons are PPP publishing images of "Indo" leaders of the AFC in conversation with APNU to suggest something sinister is going on and to  sublimally suggest to "Indos" that the black man is not too far away if you support the AFC.  Thank god people are seeing through this cheap charade and it is exposing the PPP bigotry and devious minds at work. 

FM
Originally Posted by Bruddaman:
Originally Posted by ABIDHA:

Guyana has been tested and proved that a shared governance is not good for the country's prosperity. The oppositions demonstrated that they cannot be trusted to work in cooperation with the ruling party. If is has to come to a snap election then so be it. I believe in one party takes all. 

HAHAHA!!! you funny.

As long as it's your party right?

 

HAHAHAHA!!!

Fogive this fool as he does not know what shared governace is.

FM
Originally Posted by Demerara_Guy:
Originally Posted by TK:
Originally Posted by Demerara_Guy:

Simply:

 

1. Major changes to the constitution require, at least, 66% of the members of parliament.

 

2. Minor changes to the constitution require a majority of votes.

I think you might be right here. Have to double check on this one.

This specific item was discussed and explained on GNI through various threads and I, personally, showed the relevant portions of the Guyana constitution which I have outlined in the above two parts.

RAMU not fit and proper to even shine Raulphie shoes.

FM
Originally Posted by Bruddaman:
Originally Posted by ABIDHA:

Guyana has been tested and proved that a shared governance is not good for the country's prosperity. The oppositions demonstrated that they cannot be trusted to work in cooperation with the ruling party. If is has to come to a snap election then so be it. I believe in one party takes all. 

HAHAHA!!! you funny.

As long as it's your party right?

 

HAHAHAHA!!!

As long as there is no constitutional shared government, it's best the PPP be the Govt.

FM

“Still has not gotten over his disappointment”, that is how an official described the latest attack against the People’s Progressive Party by former Central Committee member Ralph Ramkarran.
The official noted that no genuine friend of the PPP will engage in spreading such untruth about the party and its governance which continue transform the nation, “Ambition is not a bad character trait but its how one deals with disappointment when a particular goal does not materialize. Ramkarran comments are unfortunate, especially playing the politics of race, “it is sad that Ramkarran apparently only sees Guyanese only as political pawns and through the color of their skin. That has never been the policy of the PPP and it never will”.
Rather the source was keen to point out Ramkarran narrative is filled with contradictions as at one time he implies that the PPP focuses on race based politics and then later accuses the PPP of relying on its sterling record in office, of development and improving people’s lives to win an elections.  And even further he states that the PPP should move away from a mind set of campaigning on the past atrocities of the PNC when it was in Government, “Mr. Ramkarran just cannot seem to make up his mind of what exactly he wants to accuse the PPP of”.
The official noted that the PPP remains firmly committed towards working across all barriers and classes to improve the lives of each and every Guyanese. “We will not sell our soul for political power.”
Ramkarran resigned earlier this year from the PPP after a heated exchange with another member of the PPP leadership.

FM
Originally Posted by Demerara_Guy:

Simply:

 

1. Major changes to the constitution require, at least, 66% of the members of parliament.

 

2. Minor changes to the constitution require a majority of votes.

 The constitution is not a document from god. It is a covenant between the people and the state and any of its articles can be brought before the electorate to be rescinded. The voice of the people are sacrosanct not the constitution. They can make it or brake it. The super majority requirement is to restrain the hand of government not to restrain people from having choices.

FM

The PPP/C gain the most votes for a single party, complacency played a part in the outcome of the result, most successful governments universally one time or the other goes through that gray spot, but history has shown, in the following elections, the majority is regained

FM
Originally Posted by Conscience:

The PPP/C gain the most votes for a single party, complacency played a part in the outcome of the result, most successful governments universally one time or the other goes through that gray spot, but history has shown, in the following elections, the majority is regained

 And what of it? Were it not for the dictator clause that prevents the formation of a majority government they Majority would have their voice heard in the administration of the state.  The only success the PPP has to date is their capacity for theft. Our nation would be far ahead had there been true attention to the necessities of state is strong and respected judiciary and faith in the security apparatus of the state. But as the head stinks so does the rest of the body.

FM

Over the past two decades, Guyanese has been transform from a low income earning country to a middle income earning country, and have experienced positive economic growth over those two decades, Guyanese have greater spending power than ever before, and the per capita is on par with other developing countries

FM
Originally Posted by Conscience:

Over the past two decades, Guyanese has been transform from a low income earning country to a middle income earning country, and have experienced positive economic growth over those two decades, Guyanese have greater spending power than ever before, and the per capita is on par with other developing countries

 We still are the second poorest in the hemisphere with an earning power of slightly over 3k. We still have some 40 percent in deep poverty and for many clean water, sanitary facilities and stable power is a distant dream. We have never balanced a budget on our earnings and were it not for the charity of the rich nations we would be starving. Meanwhile, much of that charity from the HIV program to the poverty alleviation to the inter electrification is being siphoned off. We still cannot provide adequate text books, pre natal care and we are still letting our native girls be trafficked as a common place habit. Our justice system is broken with an almost 8 year backlog and our security forces untrustworthy. Meanwhile gun crimes outpaced even cities in the US like Camden and brutal crimes against women an everyday experience and drug is our main income and drug lords our prime investors.

FM
Originally Posted by Conscience:

Over the past two decades, Guyanese has been transform from a low income earning country to a middle income earning country, and have experienced positive economic growth over those two decades, Guyanese have greater spending power than ever before, and the per capita is on par with other developing countries

Take out the remittances and then tell the Guyanese public they are doing better than they were 20 years ago. Fact is under Burnham, who you guys always criticize, the exchange rate was like $5Gy-$1US. And remittances were a small percentage of actual income. Ask any Guyanese if they can survive now without help from their families from the ABC countries and then talk some sense.

FM

Is you rass seeking to remain relevant on GNI.

You lucky we need to beat up on someone daily and you're just one of the  the right persons, or we woulda chase yo rass off for lying.

cain
Originally Posted by cain:

Is you rass seeking to remain relevant on GNI.

You lucky we need to beat up on someone daily and you're just one of the  the right persons, or we woulda chase yo rass off for lying.

Cain...... it look likeda disgraceful fella is another Bareface thiefman

FM

Yes, "barefaced" is correct. The banna knows that the people...ahem..I meant, the populace cannot be fooled any longer, everyday they read or hear about the corruption that's been taking place.

 

Yes, I agree that Guyana has made some progress since the PNC days, A few malls and homes (for the wealthy esp those in Govt) were built, hotel, Stadium etc,this is some progress.

 

What the populace is concerned with is the stealing of the country's cash while the poor stay hungry and wanting.

They are concerned that progression has been slow due to the stealing of funds which should have been used in the country's infrastructure.

They are also concerned that they have been lied to.

They now await more free t shits and chicken and free concert.

 

cain

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