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"I will make America great again because I am a great leader

I will build a wall and Mexico will pay for it

China is eating our lunch, Japan is eating our lunch, Mexico is eating our lunch

We are not winning, when I am President, we will get tired of winning

Immigrants are whores, rapists, thieves and snakes

Blues light special on Trump wine in Aisle 10"

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WHo needs a teleprompter when all you need is rinse and repeat

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RiffRaff posted:

"I will make America great again because I am a great leader

I will build a wall and Mexico will pay for it

China is eating our lunch, Japan is eating our lunch, Mexico is eating our lunch

We are not winning, when I am President, we will get tired of winning

Immigrants are whores, rapists, thieves and snakes

Blues light special on Trump wine in Aisle 10"

( Don't ask for any details, the stuff above will be repeated in no specific order)

WHo needs a teleprompter when all you need is rinse and repeat

Am ever amazed that he has so much support. But there are all kinds of people some with heads screwed on right and some not. 

FM
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susan posted:
RiffRaff posted:

"I will make America great again because I am a great leader

I will build a wall and Mexico will pay for it

China is eating our lunch, Japan is eating our lunch, Mexico is eating our lunch

We are not winning, when I am President, we will get tired of winning

Immigrants are whores, rapists, thieves and snakes

Blues light special on Trump wine in Aisle 10"

( Don't ask for any details, the stuff above will be repeated in no specific order)

WHo needs a teleprompter when all you need is rinse and repeat

Am ever amazed that he has so much support. But there are all kinds of people some with heads screwed on right and some not. 

SOme Americans fall easy for beat your chest rhetoric...and that is Trump's specialty

 

 

FM
RiffRaff posted:
seignet posted:

Are you packed and ready?

yep....me and moveon.org

We will expose that big orange face blow hard

It is more like are you ready to return to Guyana. Prepare. Trump will be the President. You can't wish it away. My guess, you will get on his bandwagon of wealth creation. We Indians know how to adapt. That is assuming u r an Indo. R U?

I might be into trouble wid dat ? Well! c what comes.

S
seignet posted:
RiffRaff posted:
seignet posted:

Are you packed and ready?

yep....me and moveon.org

We will expose that big orange face blow hard

It is more like are you ready to return to Guyana. Prepare. Trump will be the President. You can't wish it away. My guess, you will get on his bandwagon of wealth creation. We Indians know how to adapt. That is assuming u r an Indo. R U?

I might be into trouble wid dat ? Well! c what comes.

I don't think he is an Indo.  One way or the other, Indos will benefit under the Trump Presidency.  Everyone will.

Bibi Haniffa
Bibi Haniffa posted:
seignet posted:
RiffRaff posted:
seignet posted:

Are you packed and ready?

yep....me and moveon.org

We will expose that big orange face blow hard

It is more like are you ready to return to Guyana. Prepare. Trump will be the President. You can't wish it away. My guess, you will get on his bandwagon of wealth creation. We Indians know how to adapt. That is assuming u r an Indo. R U?

I might be into trouble wid dat ? Well! c what comes.

I don't think he is an Indo.  One way or the other, Indos will benefit under the Trump Presidency.  Everyone will.

It's fascinating how you judge if someone is an Indo or not based on what they say....or who they support

FM
seignet posted:
RiffRaff posted:
seignet posted:

Are you packed and ready?

yep....me and moveon.org

We will expose that big orange face blow hard

It is more like are you ready to return to Guyana. Prepare. Trump will be the President. You can't wish it away. My guess, you will get on his bandwagon of wealth creation. We Indians know how to adapt. That is assuming u r an Indo. R U?

I might be into trouble wid dat ? Well! c what comes.

This putagee will never support a big head, orange face, race mongering idiot like Trump....

FM
baseman posted:
RiffRaff posted:
seignet posted:

It is more like are you ready to return to Guyana. Prepare. Trump will be the President. You can't wish it away. My guess, you will get on his bandwagon of wealth creation. We Indians know how to adapt. That is assuming u r an Indo. R U?

I might be into trouble wid dat ? Well! c what comes.

This putagee will never support a big head, orange face, race mongering idiot like Trump....

But you did support the "big heads, black face, race mongering idiots" to pillage, rape, murder and destroy Indian property, life and limb in the 60's in Guyana!!

Be careful. He might close this thread.

FM
baseman posted:
RiffRaff posted:
seignet posted:

It is more like are you ready to return to Guyana. Prepare. Trump will be the President. You can't wish it away. My guess, you will get on his bandwagon of wealth creation. We Indians know how to adapt. That is assuming u r an Indo. R U?

I might be into trouble wid dat ? Well! c what comes.

This putagee will never support a big head, orange face, race mongering idiot like Trump....

But you did support the "big heads, black face, race mongering idiots" to pillage, rape, murder and destroy Indian property, life and limb in the 60's in Guyana!!

wha? I aint old like you, yuh know....

FM
skeldon_man posted:
baseman posted:
RiffRaff posted:
seignet posted:

It is more like are you ready to return to Guyana. Prepare. Trump will be the President. You can't wish it away. My guess, you will get on his bandwagon of wealth creation. We Indians know how to adapt. That is assuming u r an Indo. R U?

I might be into trouble wid dat ? Well! c what comes.

This putagee will never support a big head, orange face, race mongering idiot like Trump....

But you did support the "big heads, black face, race mongering idiots" to pillage, rape, murder and destroy Indian property, life and limb in the 60's in Guyana!!

Be careful. He might close this thread.

as usual, Base seeks to go off topic to detract from dat big head, bad comb over, immigrant hating imbecile

FM
RiffRaff posted:

"I will make America great again because I am a great leader

I will build a wall and Mexico will pay for it

China is eating our lunch, Japan is eating our lunch, Mexico is eating our lunch

We are not winning, when I am President, we will get tired of winning

Immigrants are whores, rapists, thieves and snakes

Blues light special on Trump wine in Aisle 10"

( Don't ask for any details, the stuff above will be repeated in no specific order)

WHo needs a teleprompter when all you need is rinse and repeat

I just don't know how people can hear that nonsense and think that Trump will be a viable president.

In fact even his followers reflect that stupidity. Look at baseman, who is probably the most sensible of the lot.

FM
baseman posted:
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The Indian race never backs away from hard work, heat, cold, rain, sun, red ants, black ants, etc, nothing phase us from forging forward and achieving our objectives.

Just look at Guyana!!

Yes you again with your screams of "black man lazy".  Now explain why the hardest work in the mining and forestry sectors are performed by blacks if only Indians work hard.

FM
RiffRaff posted:
seignet posted:
RiffRaff posted:
seignet posted:

Are you packed and ready?

yep....me and moveon.org

We will expose that big orange face blow hard

It is more like are you ready to return to Guyana. Prepare. Trump will be the President. You can't wish it away. My guess, you will get on his bandwagon of wealth creation. We Indians know how to adapt. That is assuming u r an Indo. R U?

I might be into trouble wid dat ? Well! c what comes.

This putagee will never support a big head, orange face, race mongering idiot like Trump....

Suh Cain is your cousin.

Django
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baseman posted:
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Just think of how many [legal] Mexican guest [labor] workers and Afro-American masons will be employed and how many college educated [Indian] engineers will gain employment!!   That's good for the economy!!

Mexican construction workers have displaced WHITES.  If fact whites squeezed blacks out of opportunities in construction.  They kept them out of the unions. Now high cost of union labor has led to WHITE contractors hiring Mexican labor.

You need to talk to blacks in the construction unions and hear them talk about all the racism that they must endure.  The union bosses blatantly favor the whites.

FM
baseman posted:
caribny posted:
RiffRaff posted:

"I will make America great again because I am a great leader

I will build a wall and Mexico will pay for it

China is eating our lunch, Japan is eating our lunch, Mexico is eating our lunch

We are not winning, when I am President, we will get tired of winning

Immigrants are whores, rapists, thieves and snakes

Blues light special on Trump wine in Aisle 10"

( Don't ask for any details, the stuff above will be repeated in no specific order)

WHo needs a teleprompter when all you need is rinse and repeat

I just don't know how people can hear that nonsense and think that Trump will be a viable president.

In fact even his followers reflect that stupidity. Look at baseman, who is probably the most sensible of the lot.

Baseman does not get caught up in these frivolities!  There is bigger fish to fry!!

Hmmm.   So is it that you cannot understand some one who actually defines the issues, and develops solutions, so you prefer loud and vulgar rhetoric?

It is a BIG ISSUE about how a president diagnoses the problems, and what solutions they plan to bring to the table.

Screaming "China is eating our lunch, and we will stop them to make America great again" isn't a solution. How DOES Trump plan to do this. Start WWIII, and throw the world into turmoil, as the fascists did in the 1930s?

You are motivated by his goons beating up blacks, and so that is all you care about.

In the meantime Trumpees think that blacks and immigrants are to blame for their problems, and they don't just limit that to those who sneaked over the border!

FM
baseman posted:
caribny posted:
baseman posted:
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The Indian race never backs away from hard work, heat, cold, rain, sun, red ants, black ants, etc, nothing phase us from forging forward and achieving our objectives.

Just look at Guyana!!

Yes you again with your screams of "black man lazy".  Now explain why the hardest work in the mining and forestry sectors are performed by blacks if only Indians work hard.

I was not hitting Blacks.  Don't you know Indians are hard workers in Guyana.  His question was about Indians.

The Afro-masons who will gain employment by the thousands will also work hard!!  I use Afro Guyanese for many on my personal projects, as opposed to Mexicans, and they do work hard, but lil more expensive.  But they are legal, so I hire them anyway!

You are overly sensitive!!

I hire the Mexicans. They work hard and are very honest with you upfront.

FM

“Illegal is illegal.” With that rallying cry, Alabama passed HB 56 in 2011, the harshest state immigration law in the country.

The lead sponsor of the bill boasted to state representatives that the law “attacks every aspect of an illegal alien’s life.” Among its key provisions: landlords were banned from renting homes to undocumented immigrants, schools had to check students’ legal status, and police were required to arrest suspected immigration violators. Even giving unauthorized immigrants a ride became a crime.

The vast scope of the law turned Alabama into an unprecedented test for the anti-immigration movement. If self-deportation didn’t work there, it’s hard to imagine where it could. Early reports suggested success: undocumented immigrants appeared to flee Alabama en masse. But two years later, HB 56 is in ruins. Its most far-reaching elements have proved unconstitutional, unworkable, or politically unsustainable. Elected officials, social workers, clergy, activists, and residents say an initial immigrant evacuation that roiled their communities ended long ago. Many who fled have returned to their old homes.

Now Alabama is back where it started, waiting for a solution from Washington that may never come.

 

Inside a poultry farm in Asbury, Ala.
Inside a poultry farm in Asbury, Ala. 
Carolyn Drake/Panos for MSNBC
When HB 56 passed, Albertville—where the booming poultry industry had attracted thousands of immigrants from Mexico and Central America—quickly became the national face of the crackdown. From 2000 to 2010, the number of unauthorized immigrants in Alabama jumped from an estimated 25,000 to 120,000, as migrants flocked to jobs in agriculture, meatpacking, and construction.

 

Supporters of Alabama’s law argued it was necessary because Congress had repeatedly failed to pass a workable immigration policy of its own. â€œThe illegals in this country are ripping us off,” state representative Kerry Rich, who represents Albertville, told reporters the day HB 56 passed. “If we wait for the federal government to put this fire out, our house is going to burn down.”

That concern drove Alabama to pass the nation’s toughest legislation but it is not alone in its desire to stem the flow of undocumented workers. Arizona, Georgia, and South Carolina have all passed similar laws over the last three years and legislatures around the country are debating more immigration-related bills.

If Congress once again fails to pass reform, more states will be tempted to fill the void with measures aimed at either integrating their immigrant communities or kicking them out. But as Alabama’s bitter experiment confirms, a go-it-alone approach is no substitute for a federal solution. 

Car Crash

It took just six weeks after HB 56 went into effect for state legislators to start having second thoughts about their actions.

On November 16, 2011, police in Tuscaloosa stopped a driver for not having the proper tag on his rental car. Normally, this would have been a minor citation. But the driver did not have a license on him, only a German ID card, and that triggered what was supposed to be HB 56’s most powerful weapon against illegal immigration. Under the law, police were now required to arrest the man, haul him to court, and detain him until federal immigration authorities determined his fate, no matter how long that took.

 

Along the road from Boaz to Albertville.
Along the road from Boaz to Albertville.
Carolyn Drake/Panos for MSNBC
As it turned out, the driver was an executive at Mercedes-Benz. The European car giant was one of several foreign auto companies in the state whose plants provide thousands of much-needed jobs. 

 

The incident was soon followed by another traffic arrest involving a Japanese Honda worker. Together, the auto blow-ups sparked an outcry from the business community, who feared companies would pull out of the state. Pouring salt on the wound, the St. Louis Post-Dispatch ran an editorial inviting Mercedes to move their operations to the “Show-Me State” instead of the “Show me your papers” state.

More unintended consequences emerged, this time from the religious community. Churches complained the law’s ban on providing aid to undocumented immigrants could criminalize everything from soup kitchens to Spanish-language Sunday services.

“They were going to change Bible school into border patrol,” Scott Douglas, executive director of Greater Birmingham Ministries, told msnbc. “We had fewer Spanish-speaking congregants coming to our organization for help.”

At courthouses, simple tasks like renewing one’s vehicle tags now required proof of legal status, whichgenerated long lines for citizens and non-citizens alike. Utilities were unsure whether they needed to cut off service to residents who couldn’t prove citizenship.

“People couldn’t get power or water, it was crazy,” Jeremy Love, an immigration attorney in Birmingham, recalled. “It got resolved, but it took pressure. I’d call managers and tell them it was a civil rights violation.”

County attorneys even questioned whether residents needed papers to use their public swimming pool– an uncomfortable prospect in a state still haunted by the legacy of segregation.

Silencio

There was some irony to the problems public servants’ rigorous implementation of the law had created. When lawmakers first passed HB 56, they were actually concerned that police might refuse to enforce it.

A number of police chiefs and sheriffs had strongly opposed the must-arrest provisions because they lacked the manpower to carry them out.  Small town departments with just a few officers on staff were suddenly expected to devote hours of work to individual traffic stops that used to take 20 minutes to resolve. The departments also had to pay to keep suspected undocumented immigrants in jail while federal authorities looked into each case.

Parishioners at Capilla de la Santa Cruz [Chapel of The Holy Cross) in Albertville. There are three official masses on the weekend.
Parishioners at Capilla de la Santa Cruz (Chapel of The Holy Cross) in Albertville. There are three official masses on the weekend. The church accomodates 750 people and is usually so well attended that the overflow ends up spilling out into the lobby. The congregation is almost entirely Latino.
Carolyn Drake/Panos for MSNBC

 

“I have a problem fundamentally with placing someone in jail over a traffic citation,” Brian Stillwell, chief of police in immigrant-heavy Clanton, told msnbc. He recalled one particularly frustrating instance in which he was forced to detain a nursing mother in a holding cell over a minor auto violation.

Doug Pollard, Albertville’s muscle-bound and mustachioed police chief, actually saw some positives in the new law when it passed. In recent years, buses had been caught in the area dropping off dozens of undocumented workers from Mexico and he found it easier now to coordinate with Immigration and Customs to resolve the cases.

But he quickly faced a new problem: Albertville’s Hispanic community stopped talking to the police – about anything.

“If they had a crime committed against them they used to come to us,” Pollard said. “Then this new law came out and they got scared. ” 

Nothing in the law demanded police check the legal status of crime victims or witnesses, a fact Pollard desperately relayed to residents in media appearances, church meetings, and town halls. In fact, the federal government offers temporary visas to crime victims to encourage them to talk. But he couldn’t break the fear. Some residents started carrying “rights cards” stating their intention to remain silent, which they’d hand to officers as soon as they were stopped.

Love, the immigration attorney, said he had clients who were warned, incorrectly by police, that they’d have to reveal their legal status to report a crime. Clanton police officer Neil Fetner, who became the town’s unofficial expert on the law, said he frequently fielded calls from other departments confused by the requirements. 

“There were a lot of false interpretations of the law – and then it would change or the courts would rule again,” Fetner said. “For a while it was memorandum city.”

The Law Shrinks

Politicians, tired of complaints from business, police, religious leaders and more, quickly called for changes.

“I’ve learned in life that if you make a mistake, you should be man enough to admit it,” Republican state senator Gerald Dial, who voted for the law, said shortly after the Mercedes arrest.  

But fixing it meant backtracking on one of the central pillars of the law. Politicians were so eager to arrest undocumented immigrants that they included a provision empowering citizens to sue individual officers caught shirking their enforcement duties.

 

A Pentecostal church service on Main Street in Albertville.
A Pentecostal church service on Main Street in Albertville.
Carolyn Drake/Panos for MSNBC
Seven months after the law went into effect, the state legislature passed a round of revisions. No longer were police required to arrest people for failing to produce a license and state residents could no longer sue them as easily. The new law also weakened requirements that residents show proof of legal status when dealing with the state, ending the mass confusion that had roiled state utility companies, courthouses, and other public offices.

 

By this point, however, lawsuits by the Justice Department, civil rights groups, and Alabama churches were already blocking large chunks of the remaining law.

In October 2011, less than two weeks after a judge let HB 56 go into effect, a federal appeals court temporarily halted its requirement that schools ask about students’ legal status – a prime driver of the initial panic. Meanwhile, Arizona’s SB 1070, the model for Alabama’s law, wound its way to the Supreme Court, where justices blocked police from detaining people just because they suspected they were undocumented, one of several key provisions they struck down.

In an effective act of surrender, Alabama settled its various lawsuits in October 2013 and coughed up $350,000 to cover their opponents’ legal bills. The rulings that forced their hand created precedents that will foil similar laws even faster should they arise.

“Alabama illustrated that illegal immigrants will respond to changed incentives,” Mark Krikorian, Executive Director of the Center for Immigration Studies and a backer of HB 56, told msnbc. “But states can’t follow through on those changes if the federal government is actively fighting them.”

Still Here

For Alabama’s immigrant communities, the early days of HB 56 were a harrowing experience.

“It was like a disease,” Jose Contreras, who owns a Hispanic grocery store in Albertville, recalled. “Everyone was panicking and leaving.”

But as provision after provision fell, it became clear that the original goal of the law – to expel the state’s undocumented immigrants – was not going to happen.

The end of the day at Albertville Middle School. Many students were taken out of school when Alabama's immigration laws were passed.
The end of the day at Albertville Middle School. Many students were taken out of school when Alabama’s immigration laws were passed.
Carolyn Drake/Panos for MSNBC

Interviews with a wide variety of groups, from residents, to advocates on the ground, elected officials to church leaders, suggest that the initial exodus of immigrants after HB 56 took effect was short lived.

“When it first went effect, people were afraid to go outside,” said Father Tim Pfander, whose St. William Catholic Church attracts hundreds of Latino worshippers. “Today, I think they’ve seen how it’s enforced and are carrying on with the laws.”

Few metrics can capture how the changes have impacted the community. But in Albertville, officials noted that the size and demographic breakdown of the town’s public school classes are mostly similar to what they were before HB 56. The story is similar statewide.

According to Alabama’s education department, the number of Hispanic students rose last year even as the overall student population declined. That wasn’t the plan. Proponents of the law had wanted to decrease the Spanish-speaking population, complaining that immigrant children were dragging down the school system. 

While the restrictions eased over time, the initial passage of the law caused enough hardship to scar the immigrant community. Many recalled police roadblocks around their neighborhoods and said they adjusted their schedules to avoid unnecessary car trips. Some reported verbal abuse from strangers telling them to go home to Mexico. Longtime residents deferred opportunities for fear of the new law’s consequences.

“My daughter’s American and she had a scholarship to go to a state university, but we couldn’t let her go and she lost it,” said Rebecca Maciel, who moved to Alabama 17 years ago with her husband. “If they picked us up who would take care of her siblings?”

Vincente Gonzales blamed the law for forcing his wife out of a job after her employer cracked down on undocumented hires. Unable to work his usual construction jobs due to failing kidneys, Gonzales said his son also deferred acceptance at a state university to help support the family. 

Yuri Diaz, originally from Mexico wakes her children to get them ready for school at 6:30am. Her kids were born in Albertville.
Yuri Diaz, originally from Mexico wakes her children to get them ready for school at 6:30am. Her kids were born in Albertville.
Carolyn Drake/Panos for MSNBC

But after 18 years on U.S. soil, he laughed when asked whether he’d consider moving back to Mexico.

“Our lives are here already,” Gonzales said. “Besides, Hispanics have a fighting heart.”

 Despite their difficulties, immigrants said their primary motive for staying was the hope that their children, many of whom were born in Alabama and have thick southern accents to prove it, would find success.

“My daughters are 7 and 4 and they ask why we don’t leave if they treat us so badly,” Natividad Gonzalez, an activist with the Alabama Coalition for Immigrant Justice, said in an interview. “All I can say is: ‘This is your home.’ They’re what motived me to stay, because I know they’re protected. Maybe not me, maybe not my husband, but they are.”

By contrast, their old hometowns in Mexico are not only economically stagnant, but dangerous enough that they almost consider themselves refugees. Many come from cities plagued by drug violence, and they fear their extended time in America would make them obvious kidnapping targets.

 â€œI’d only go there to die,” Gonzales said.                                                                                                      

The Wave Passes

HB 56’s authors have defended the remaining law’s value, pointing to certain provisions that remained intact including a requirement that companies check new hires’ legal status against a federal database. They credit HB 56 with a drop in unemployment in recent years, although economists in the stateargue that it’s unrelated. Police can still check the immigration status of people they pull over even though they are limited in their ability to detain them.

Part of the community - Immigrant families in Alabama
Latinos put down roots - whether the state wants them or not

 

Among state and local officials, the anti-immigration fever that led to the law’s passage has substantially subsided. 

In 2008, Albertville’s local elections were dominated by calls to stop illegal immigration. But by the time the 2012 elections rolled around, the main proponents of the anti-immigration push, Councilman Chuck Ellis and Mayor Lindsey Lyons, were voted out of officealong with every incumbent except Council president Nathan Broadhurst. Immigration was barely an issue in the race.

Broadhurst, along with current Mayor Tracy Honea, takes a more moderate stance on the issue. He said a turning point for the city government was when Kris Kobach, the Kansas Secretary of State considered the intellectual force behind self-deportation, offered his services to help them sue businesses for profiting off illegal labor. The council voted his proposal down 3-2.

“The majority of us felt like it was counterproductive to try and go after local industries,” Broadhurst said. “Especially industries that are so vital to the tax base of the city.”

Honea and Broadhurst believe Albertville has reached a detente as the city’s different communities interact more.

“Certainly I think it changes the dynamics of a town,” Honea said of the last two decades of immigration. “But I think the community as a whole has grown and learned a lot. For the most part they’ve embraced the reality of what it is.”

After two years of turmoil, undocumented immigrants aren’t leaving Alabama. But they still live in fear of deportation and have no obvious way of becoming full-fledged Americans.

 â€œI think God brought us to this country for a reason,” Yaneth Rangel, who emigrated from Veracruz, said. “We need an amnesty. We need a solution.”

FM

The vast scope of the law turned Alabama into an unprecedented test for the anti-immigration movement. If self-deportation didn’t work there, it’s hard to imagine where it could. Early reports suggested success: undocumented immigrants appeared to flee Alabama en masse. But two years later, HB 56 is in ruins. Its most far-reaching elements have proved unconstitutional, unworkable, or politically unsustainable. Elected officials, social workers, clergy, activists, and residents say an initial immigrant evacuation that roiled their communities ended long ago. Many who fled have returned to their old homes.

Now Alabama is back where it started, waiting for a solution from Washington that may never come.

FM
caribny posted:
skeldon_man posted:
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I hire the Mexicans. They work hard and are very honest with you upfront.

Yes, hypocritical, like Trump.  Bet you don't ascertain whether they have green cards or not.

Unlike you, I feel that once they are here and the police are not after them, let the people make an honest living. With them working in my house, I do not have to install a CCTV.

FM
baseman posted:
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The Afro-masons who will gain employment .

Trump doesn't hire for them his projects, so why do you think that he suddenly will?

There is a whole chapter on attempts by white dominated unions to exclude blacks in NYC.  If Trump was working to ensure the inclusion of blacks on his projects that fact would have been known around the construction industry.  Trump's name NEVER comes up as some one who is forcing the unions to ensure that blacks are included in his projects.

Blacks have a tough time in the industry, even though it is known that Caribbean trades men (especially those who were in bauxite in Guyana and Jamaica, and on the Trinidad oil fields) are skilled.  It isn't merit. It is race based cronyism, and Trump caters to that!

Those who vote Trump scream that this is a white man's country and that they should preference.  They do their best to keep blacks out of construction.

As to your assertion about Indians hard working. Hmmmm.  Your track record is there about "black man lazy" when you talk about Guyana, so don't even try to pretend otherwise.

FM
baseman posted:
RiffRaff posted:

.... If self-deportation didn’t work there, it’s hard to imagine where it could....

When self deportation don't work, round them up!!

Alabama and Arizona tried that.  Employers began to protest when they couldn't find workers.  There are some jobs that Americans will not perform.

FM

Here is how a true leader operates.  Hail Trump!

Bankruptcy 1: The Trump Taj Mahal, 1991

The first bankruptcy associated with Trump was perhaps the most significant in terms of his personal finances, according to news reports at the time. He funded the construction of the $1 billion Trump Taj Mahal casino in Atlantic City, which opened in 1990. By 1991, the casino was nearly $3 billion in debt, while Trump had racked up nearly $900 million in personal liabilities, so the business decided to file for Chapter 11 reorganization, according to the New York Times. As a result, Trump gave up half his personal stake in the casino and sold his yacht and airline, according to the Washington Post.

Bankruptcy 2: Trump Plaza Hotel, 1992

Trump acquired the Plaza Hotel in New York for $390 million in 1988. By 1992, the hotel had accumulated $550 million in debt. As a result of the bankruptcy, in exchange for easier terms on which to pay off the debts, Trump relinquished a 49 percent stake in the Plaza to a total of six lenders, according to ABC News. Trump remained the hotel’s CEO, but it was merely a gesture -- he didn’t earn a salary and had no say in the hotel’s day-to-day operations, according to the New York Times.

Bankruptcy 3: Trump Hotels and Casinos Resorts, 2004

Trump Hotels and Casinos Resorts filed for bankruptcy again in 2004 when his casinos -- including the Trump Taj Mahal, Trump Marina and Trump Plaza casinos in Atlantic City and a riverboat casino in Indiana -- had accrued an estimated $1.8 billion in debt, according to the Associated Press. Trump agreed to reduce his share in the company from 47 to 27 percent in a restructuring plan, but he was still the company’s largest single shareholder and remained in charge of its operations. Trump told the Associated Press at the time that the company represented less than 1 percent of his net worth.

Bankruptcy 4: Trump Entertainment Resorts, 2009

Trump Entertainment Resorts -- formerly Trump Hotels and Casinos Resorts -- was hit hard by the 2008 economic recession and missed a $53.1 million bond interest payment in December 2008, according to ABC News. After debating with the company’s board of directors, Trump resigned as the company’s chairman and had his corporate stake in the company reduced to 10 percent. The company continued to use Trump’s name in licensing.

So four Trump companies filed for Chapter 11 reorganization. Is that as big a deal as Fiorina says?

FM
baseman posted:
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I agree to some extent.  I think the Govt should set up inner city trade schools and train Black youths [for free] in these skills.  The Blacks have the critical-mass to build from there within their community.  This would have been a good initiative for Mr Community Organizer, not messing up the Health Insurance landscape!!

You can rest assure, illegal immigrants do have a negative knock-on impact on Blacks!  Baseman was tempted to hire cheaper Mexicans for some personal projects, but went with my Black Guyanese brothers instead.

You should welcome Trump sealing off the border to illegals!!

.Your idea of the training of blacks is 50 years old. In the 60s black activists agitated and got training for blacks in construction. Once they acquired the basics skills, they were then sent as apprentices in the trade unions. 

The RACIST trade unions ensured that they didn't acquire the hours or the skills as apprentices, so they failed in obtaining permanent positions in the union, and were squeezed out.  So blacks stopped seeking the training because they couldn't find work, once completed.  These workers are paid by the hour, and don't get paid if they are only sitting down, waiting to be sent out by the union.

You need to stop seeing blacks as stupid, and listen to them!

If the illegals are sent back WHITE MEN will replace them!

BTW has Trump discussed free trade schools in urban areas?  NO! So why do you assume that he will do this?

FM
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caribny posted:
baseman posted:
RiffRaff posted:

.... If self-deportation didn’t work there, it’s hard to imagine where it could....

When self deportation don't work, round them up!!

Alabama and Arizona tried that.  Employers began to protest when they couldn't find workers.  There are some jobs that Americans will not perform.

that is true. It happened and is still the mindset

FM
baseman posted:
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The free-for-all status cannot continue!  These people are heavily exploited and degraded!!

Do you know that there is a net migration BACK to Mexico?

If you want to stop illegal immigration then tell Trump to invest dollars in Guatemala, Honduras, and El Salvador, because there is where the illegal entrants are now coming from.

FM
baseman posted:
caribny posted:
baseman posted:
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The Afro-masons who will gain employment .

Trump doesn't hire for them his projects, so why do you think that he suddenly will?.

This will be a national project, not a Trump project!!  The Feds have rules regarding minority workers.  Trump has as an agenda item to address the high un/underemployment in the Afro community.

You are too racist to see when something good is on offer.  You judge everything by the color of ones skin!!

Please outline what Trump plans to do to address high (now multi generational) unemployment among blacks?  PROOF please.

The rules that the Feds have is that jobs must be union. The unions squeeze out minorities.  So unless Trump INSISTS that minorities be hired, that is NOT going to happen.

You know when the unions are forced to use minorities what they do? Send the blacks to be the flag wavers (you see them on road projects). Minimum wage jobs!

Do you know that in NYC groups of blacks had to invade building sites, and literally chase off the (white) workers there, in order to be considered for employment. There was a lot of this activity in the 80s and 90s.  This was on job sites IN inner city neighborhoods!

FM
baseman posted:
.!  However, as president, he will surely work with those nation to open up opportunities locally to help retain their people!  The two imperatives are very different!!

He has NOT said so.  This is the point of this thread.  Grunts, groans and incoherent drunken babble. NOT solid ideas to solve problems.

YOU infer that Trump will do so. He has NOT said that he will, and until he says so I assume that he will not.

I have lived in NYC for over 30 years and I am very aware of how white working class men think. A well dressed black man passes. You know what they think?  That he got some unfair advantage that they don't get.  Not that he studied hard, and got the credentials, while they were drinking beer, grunting and watching football.

THESE are the Trump supporters, and THESE are the people who Trump will appease.

Aside from the protesters, how many blacks do you see at Trump events. The few who go out of curiosity are forced to leave because of the rampant racial abuse that they get. "Go back to Africa", "you should be picking cotton".

TRump has REFUSED to tell his goons to cease this behavior. He has refused to tell his goons that blacks are Americans too, so should be treated with respect.

The proof is in the pudding.  TRUMP is a BIGOT!

FM

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