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Syria's main opposition group is calling for the U.S.-led coalition to suspend its airstrike campaign against ISIS after reports of dozens of civilian deaths close to the Turkish border.

As NPR's Alison Meuse told our Newscast unit, reports suggest the strike near the northern town of Manbij is the "largest civilian death toll since the intervention began." She added that "both the opposition and [Syrian President Bashar] Assad's regime put the death toll above 120 killed." Here's more from Alison:

"Exact figures are hard to come by: it's a war zone and ISIS restricts communications. But I reached a man whose family lives near the area in question. He sent me photos of what appeared to be a mass burial. I counted eight corpses, but he says 73 were laid to rest. The Syrian government and opposition put the toll at over 120. Local U.S.-backed forces say it's a vast exaggeration."

The Syrian Observatory for Human Rights says the toll from the airstrikes is at least 56, including 11 children.

U.S. Defense Secretary Ash Carter has promised a "transparent investigation into possible civilian deaths," as Alison reports. The coalition has said that it carried out airstrikes in the area on Tuesday, the day reports of civilian casualties started to emerge.

It's not clear whose planes carried out the deadly strikes. The Syrian government blames France in a statement reported on state media, while other sources refer simply to "U.S.-led coalition" planes, without elaborating.

In a statement, the president of the Syrian opposition coalition, Anas Alabdah, said the bloodshed indicates "a major loophole in the current operational rules followed by the international coalition in conducting strikes in populated areas."

He added: "It is essential that such investigation not only result in revised rules of procedure for future operations, but also inform accountability for those responsible for such major violations."

Meanwhile, fighting rages in the nearby city of Manbij between U.S- backed fighters and Islamic State militants. A BBC report from Manbij released today shows Kurdish-led fighters backed by U.S. air support encircling the area.

"The Syrian Democratic Forces are advancing into Manbij City from the south, and as you can see here, the fight against the IS group is street by street and house by house," reporter Feras Kilani said. He added that the Islamic State has used the city as a "key meeting point for its foreign fighters."

Now, the forces fighting ISIS have given the extremist group a deadline of 48 hours to leave the besieged city, The Associated Press reported.

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The terrorists embedded themselves with Civilians which causes civilian casualties and then they use it for propaganda.  This is all the fault of the evil Wahabis headed up by [snake] House of Saud!!

Furthermore, many of the civilians support ISIS who they allow to live among them, so it's the price of evil, the wages of sin!!  In any case, the civilized West and their coalition must take every effort to not give the Wahab Satans a point!

FM
Chief posted:
ba$eman posted:

The terrorists embedded themselves with Civilians which causes civilian casualties and then they use it for propaganda. 

You are making the same argument as ISIS.

ISIS are claiming that the terrorists are the West, so they  encourage their sympathizers to kill innocent civilians. 

 

ISIS is a terrorists organization which knowingly and deliberately go after civilian targets.  They invade territory, kill off the men and enslave and make unwilling sex partners of the females.  If ISIS want to fight the military, there are lots of military targets.  A civilian airport, night club, office, etc are not military targets.

It's interesting how you make a pretzel trying to justify ISIS terrorism in the West equating it with military action to stop them!!  Who was attacked prior to 9/11?

Your logic is warped and shaped by wicked sympathies for pure evil!!

FM
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I used to worry about those civilians in the past but I have come to the realization that their sacrifice may be inevitable in the demolition of the evil militant factions like ISIS/ISIL. The reality is that if they escape our missiles, they may not escape the wraths of ISIS/ISIL. At least in our operation, we may end up destroying ISIS/ISIL. It is a very difficult position to take but sadly these terrorists actions leave no other option.

FM
Abu Jihad posted:

Arabs & Muslims labeled terrorists by default.

Straw man. The Muslims who are called terrorists kill people in non combatant zones.

And in fact they kill far more Muslims than they do non Muslims.  In Nigeria they kidnap, rape, and kill females (Muslims) because they go to school.  They have their interpretation of the Koran which they used ti justify this.

In Mali a local Islamist thug group attacks other Muslims, because they claim that they don't practice pure Islam.  They proceed to destroy Islamic artifacts from Timbuktu. Religion is their inspiration and excuse.  The goal to establish a nation based on THEIR interpretation of Islam, even though Mali is a majority Muslim nation.

FM
caribny posted:

And in fact they kill far more Muslims than they do non Muslims.  In Nigeria they kidnap, rape, and kill females (Muslims) because they go to school.  They have their interpretation of the Koran which they used ti justify this.

In Mali a local Islamist thug group attacks other Muslims, because they claim that they don't practice pure Islam.  They proceed to destroy Islamic artifacts from Timbuktu. Religion is their inspiration and excuse.  The goal to establish a nation based on THEIR interpretation of Islam, even though Mali is a majority Muslim nation.

Although I highly doubt these uneducated low lives read the Qur'an.   Back in the days, Khadafi had his own Green Book which it was rumored that he regarded it more than he did the Qur'an although he did distributed lots of Qur'an around the world including Guyana. Those Qur'ans were printed by the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia which chose the Yusuf Ali translation. Lots of those 'Muslim' countries have their own propaganda materials that they peddle to their subjects (victims).

FM
ksazma posted:

I used to worry about those civilians in the past but I have come to the realization that their sacrifice may be inevitable in the demolition of the evil militant factions like ISIS/ISIL. The reality is that if they escape our missiles, they may not escape the wraths of ISIS/ISIL. At least in our operation, we may end up destroying ISIS/ISIL. It is a very difficult position to take but sadly these terrorists actions leave no other option.

Sorry to hear that you have joined the ranks of ISIS and other terrorists.

AJ
Abu Jihad posted:
ba$eman posted:
Abu Jihad posted:

Arabs & Muslims labeled terrorists by default. Imagine if they invaded, bombed, droned & tortured Western citizens: what'd they be called?

Maher Arar

Stop blurring the lines, which nation was invaded prior to 9/11?

Iraq, Lebanon, Palestine to start.

Was Iraq invaded prior to 9/11?  Lebanon was a war with many sides, civil war and all.  What does the US have to do with that?  Palestine is an issue to be addressed agreed but, how did this provoke 9/11, a simmering conflict for over half a century?  What happen to that conflict, nowhere on Obama/Hillary radar.

FM
Abu Jihad posted:
ksazma posted:

I used to worry about those civilians in the past but I have come to the realization that their sacrifice may be inevitable in the demolition of the evil militant factions like ISIS/ISIL. The reality is that if they escape our missiles, they may not escape the wraths of ISIS/ISIL. At least in our operation, we may end up destroying ISIS/ISIL. It is a very difficult position to take but sadly these terrorists actions leave no other option.

Sorry to hear that you have joined the ranks of ISIS and other terrorists.

I know. After seeing the undignified manner in how all those refugees fled their homeland to countries which while generally generous are wary of us because some of us chose to repay that generosity with death and destruction. It was a very easy decision to make and for the survival of Islam and Muslims I hope and pray that many more, nay all Muslims make the same decision.

FM
ksazma posted:
caribny posted:

And in fact they kill far more Muslims than they do non Muslims.  In Nigeria they kidnap, rape, and kill females (Muslims) because they go to school.  They have their interpretation of the Koran which they used ti justify this.

In Mali a local Islamist thug group attacks other Muslims, because they claim that they don't practice pure Islam.  They proceed to destroy Islamic artifacts from Timbuktu. Religion is their inspiration and excuse.  The goal to establish a nation based on THEIR interpretation of Islam, even though Mali is a majority Muslim nation.

Although I highly doubt these uneducated low lives read the Qur'an.   Back in the days, Khadafi had his own Green Book which it was rumored that he regarded it more than he did the Qur'an although he did distributed lots of Qur'an around the world including Guyana. Those Qur'ans were printed by the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia which chose the Yusuf Ali translation. Lots of those 'Muslim' countries have their own propaganda materials that they peddle to their subjects (victims).

The Boko  Haram have clerics who tell them what is in the Koran.  This is why I speak of confused people being brainwashed by death merchants.

This is why Muslims need to act on your idea to have some level of centralization to drum out charlatans from positioning themselves as authorities of Islam.   That includes the religious police in Saudi Arabia and Iran.

FM
ba$eman posted:
  Palestine is an issue to be addressed agreed but, how did this provoke 9/11, a simmering conflict for over half a century?  What happen to that conflict, nowhere on Obama/Hillary radar.

Palestine has lots to do with this. The unravelling of secular societies in much of the Arab world left a vacuum which has been filled by tribal nomadic ideas supported by Saudi Arabia. Israel and the West have definitely played a role in exposing the weaknesses of the Arab military regimes and monarchies.

Secular Muslims (those who believe in separation of church and state) need to rid their societies of the charlatans.

FM
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caribny posted:

The Boko  Haram have clerics who tell them what is in the Koran.  This is why I speak of confused people being brainwashed by death merchants.

This is why Muslims need to act on your idea to have some level of centralization to drum out charlatans from positioning themselves as authorities of Islam.   That includes the religious police in Saudi Arabia and Iran.

I am willing to bet that those folks use that term 'Clerics' liberally.

FM
ksazma posted:
caribny posted:

The Boko  Haram have clerics who tell them what is in the Koran.  This is why I speak of confused people being brainwashed by death merchants.

This is why Muslims need to act on your idea to have some level of centralization to drum out charlatans from positioning themselves as authorities of Islam.   That includes the religious police in Saudi Arabia and Iran.

I am willing to bet that those folks use that term 'Clerics' liberally.

In order to be a Christian cleric you have to have undergone some degree of training.  And not in a bottom house

Is this required of those claiming to be imams?  Are there mechanisms to get rid of imams who engage in dangerous behavior?

Or do Muslims shrug their shoulders, and murmur that this behavior isn't Islamic, and beg Christians to continue to tolerate them?

FM
caribny posted:
ba$eman posted:
  Palestine is an issue to be addressed agreed but, how did this provoke 9/11, a simmering conflict for over half a century?  What happen to that conflict, nowhere on Obama/Hillary radar.

Palestine has lots to do with this. The unravelling of secular societies in much of the Arab world left a vacuum which has been filled by tribal nomadic ideas supported by Saudi Arabia. Israel and the West have definitely played a role in exposing the weaknesses of the Arab military regimes and monarchies.

Secular Muslims (those who believe in separation of church and state) need to rid their societies of the charlatans.

Listen banna, I agree with the toxic brew of the Palestine issue and the wider troubles.  However, my comment was to do with 9/11.  Now you can say it has, fine, but you can rest assure, that is just the excuse, if not that there will be another justification.  The entire philosophy of Muslims as it is today, lends itself to perpetual conflict!  If that matter is resolved, there will be another reason!

 

FM

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