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A proposal to build a mosque in Flushing was withdrawn after it came under fire from residents and members of Community Board 7 who criticized the plan for violating local zoning ordinances.

An architect and a lawyer for the project, which was proposed for 46-05 Parsons Blvd., withdrew the plan during a meeting of the community board on Monday night.

Dozens of residents came to the meeting to voice their opposition to the mosque on the grounds that the application requested several waivers be made to the area’s building code laws. But some were simply unhappy about a mosque coming to the neighborhood.

“This is a very congested area,” said Grace Kelly, a Flushing resident. “Flushing Remonstrance is something we value, but this spot just doesn’t work,” she said in reference to the historic 17th-century commitment made to freedom of religion by leaders in Flushing.

Harry Coumna said the mosque should be built on the industrial part of College Point in one of the warehouses, a suggestion one board member thought was “offensive.”

“Why do you want to come to our area and do this?” Coumna said. “Do we come to your neighborhood and build stuff there? Leave our neighborhood alone.”

The proposal didn’t include any off-street parking areas, as required under zoning laws for houses of worship. Representatives for the mosque – Emily Simon and Jamil Coppin – asked the board to waive this rule. The application called for a two-story building with a total of 2,000 square feet with a maximum of occupancy of 420 people. But it lacked any side yards as required under local zoning.

The mosque application was the first prospect hundreds of Muslim worshippers had at having a consistent location for worship.

“The congregants have been forced to move from month to month. They’re looking for a permanent home,” said Simon, who is the lawyer for the group. “The community is home to many other religious houses of worship.”

The congregation, which boast about 400 members, is made up of immigrants from Pakistan, Bangladesh and several African countries. Since 2013, the group has jumped between temporary mosques, and they were hoping to establish a stable place in a part of Flushing that is home to a diverse number of places of worship.

While Flushing residents lambasted the mosque on the premise of technical issues, Muhammed Sheth thought people were being prejudiced, especially the resident who told them to go to College Point’s industrial area.

“They were thinking all Muslims are trouble,” said Sheth, who is a member of the group. “The scrutiny to which they subjected us was very intense.”

The architect Jamil Coppin will revise the application so that all of the zoning rules will be observed.

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Not all Muslims are terrorists.

A house of prayer should be allowed.

In our town, opposition to the newly built mosque was a greenbelt to walk their dog. We protested in favour and the place was built.   

Tola

Not backlash.  You know how hard it is to build a mosque for years now?

they did not pass money to the right people. Last summer community residents approached our masjid and asked for donation to buy liquor and food for their block party. The masjid had to trump up the dough, hehehe

FM

Vish, the article speaks of a building whose plan violates local zoning ordinances. It just so happens it's a mosque. Had this been some pagoda would you have published it here? And would the title of your post be that titillating?

Kari
Originally Posted by Tola:

Not all Muslims are terrorists.

A house of prayer should be allowed.

In our town, opposition to the newly built mosque was a greenbelt to walk their dog. We protested in favour and the place was built.   

I remember.

Chief
Originally Posted by Kari:

Vish, the article speaks of a building whose plan violates local zoning ordinances. It just so happens it's a mosque. Had this been some pagoda would you have published it here? And would the title of your post be that titillating?

Now you know why he is so much disliked by so many.

 

He is fortunate that you and me still accept him despite his short coming.

Chief
Originally Posted by Stormborn:
Originally Posted by TI:

Fullahs keep out!  was D2 also protesting outside?  hehehehe

They did not tell me

pompous snivelling piece of work....u dat important eh, dat your Muslim-bashing, mosque-blocking tendencies elevate you?

Kari
Originally Posted by Vish M:

Here we go!

 

I am , but the messenger.

 

I will engage after viewing the level of dialog

Vish, this is not about messenger. he title, my friend, the title....and #2, it is not about it being a mosque, it is about a building, any building being in violation of ordinances. You know that but you chose to title mosque for a reason. It is a titillating topic presently. More4 Muslim-bashing and giving D2/Stormy opportunities to showcase his idiocy. Not a wrong call but trying to keep you from a mob mentality. There will be more Muslim-bashing opportunities I'm sure that people here are itching to engage in. Just don't be one of them.

Kari

Kari,

 

You need not be worried about me as I was the person who stood up to NYC DOB for Masjid Al Abindin to remove their Stop Work Order.

 

As for the posting, it was extracted as is.

 

That was why I ensure the source was also known.

 

Please recheck 

Vish M
Originally Posted by HM_Redux:

The proposal didn’t include any off-street parking areas, as required under zoning laws for houses of worship. 

Not necessary if you get a variance Or if congregation is within walking distance.  A church is right next door also with no parking spot.

FM
Originally Posted by Vish M:

Kari,

 

You need not be worried about me as I was the person who stood up to NYC DOB for Masjid Al Abindin to remove their Stop Work Order.

 

As for the posting, it was extracted as is.

 

That was why I ensure the source was also known.

 

Please recheck 

Vish, you miss the point. Jesus Christ himself or Bhagwan could have written the article and it's all true. But you title it in a way to pile on the Muslim bashing as if you were selling a newspaper - building Mosque gets rejects!!! Read all about it. If a school building satellite classroom was denied being built because it goes against some ordinance - obscure orr otherwise - would you have published with a sensational title "Education Denied!!! Read all about it"?

Kari
Originally Posted by Mars:

420 people in a 2000 sq feet space. How does that work? That's like forcing 420 people into a small house. Unless they have the numbers wrong.

 

 

That's way too many people for that bldg. Could work with 20000sq ft but not 2000.

cain
Last edited by cain

Kari,

 

This is not about an opportunity to Bash Muslim.

 

here is where I am

 

Our community are not involved with Civic issues as yet.

As such, the Community Boards membership does not reflect our community. Most of the members are in place for 20 plus years. These folks are the last obstacles for our community to understand to be removed. But you cannot ask the City Councilmen to recommend our community members are they are not Civic minded, hence we have what we have.

 

 

More to follow.   

 

I have to take care of my Stewie

Vish M
Originally Posted by Kari:
Originally Posted by Vish M:

Here we go!

 

I am , but the messenger.

 

I will engage after viewing the level of dialog

Vish, this is not about messenger. he title, my friend, the title....and #2, it is not about it being a mosque, it is about a building, any building being in violation of ordinances. You know that but you chose to title mosque for a reason. It is a titillating topic presently. More4 Muslim-bashing and giving D2/Stormy opportunities to showcase his idiocy. Not a wrong call but trying to keep you from a mob mentality. There will be more Muslim-bashing opportunities I'm sure that people here are itching to engage in. Just don't be one of them.

You are a simpleton or you would recognize TI was being funny and so was I.

FM

This sort of outcome is not surprising.

 

The Tulsi Mandir was forced to hired Architects to justify the many demands of the DOB.

 

The Gopal Sundar Mandir was issued a STOP WORK Order with a Evacuation Notice.

 

The list is much longer.

 

Our community needs are not documented within the Civic Organization as we do not participate.

 

As such, this is an unpleasant outcome but its the reality

Vish M

The proposed Mosque in Flushing actually violates zoning law or the residents can't digest seeing one in their neighborhood? Would they object to a Christian church being build there?

FM
Originally Posted by Cobra:

The proposed Mosque in Flushing actually violates zoning law or the residents can't digest seeing one in their neighborhood? Would they object to a Christian church being build there?

 

Cobra dem people are envious and will not want to see a Masjid but if a Church was going to be built, they would have run run and support it.

 

A Masjid is a sacred place of worship and should be allowed. 

FM
Last edited by Former Member
Originally Posted by yuji22:
Originally Posted by Cobra:

The proposed Mosque in Flushing actually violates zoning law or the residents can't digest seeing one in their neighborhood? Would they object to a Christian church being build there?

 

Cobra dem people are envious and will not want to see a Masjid but if a Church was going to be built, they would have run run and support it.

 

A Masjid is a scared place of worship and should be allowed. 

People needs to be educated about other religions and their way of worship. That's all.

FM
Originally Posted by Cobra:
Originally Posted by yuji22:
Originally Posted by Cobra:

The proposed Mosque in Flushing actually violates zoning law or the residents can't digest seeing one in their neighborhood? Would they object to a Christian church being build there?

 

Cobra dem people are envious and will not want to see a Masjid but if a Church was going to be built, they would have run run and support it.

 

A Masjid is a scared place of worship and should be allowed. 

People needs to be educated about other religions and their way of worship. That's all.

 

True bhai.

 

I was very disappointed to see right here on GNI, the recent fights about religion. Some posters wanted to actually get involved in fist fights.

 

Our parents and grand parents lived like Bhai Bhai despite religious views. The young generation needs to be better educated about tolerating and respecting other religions.

FM

Muslims meeting resistance when seeking to build masjids is not new. We had the same problem when trying to build one in Granada Hills CA way back in the late 80's early 90s. Yes, way way back before 9/11, the new excuse for an old bigotry. 

FM

Residents don't approve or disapprove a structure on zoning laws.

the NYC buildings department does. Permits have to be filed with city not with community residents. You can't build unless you get all permits.

 

Any protest by residents  has has to do with quality of life issues.

 

Clearly they don't want Pakis currying up their neighborhood.

FM

The problem with these mosques is that they are known terrorist recruiting ground. There isn't an islamic militant who did not get his sense of jihad from the training he received in a mosque.

 

 

Mr.T

Recruiting ground for the FBI. HBO currently showing this documentary.

 

 

On May 20, 2009, four Muslim men from upstate Newburgh were arrested by the FBI and charged with plotting to bomb two Jewish synagogues in The Bronx and shoot missiles at military supply planes at Stewart International Airport.

The FBI and NYPD claimed they caught the infamous “Newburgh Four” red-handed. But was the sting really a setup, and were the men more guilty of simple greed than terrorism?

Those are the questions “The Newburgh Sting,” an HBO documentary premiering Monday at 9 p.m., seeks to answer. It was directed and produced by Emmy Award winners Kate Davis and David Heilbroner.

When Pakistani-born Shahed Hussain first showed up at the Masjid al-Ikhlas mosque 60 miles north of New York City in spring 2008, worshippers took note of his fine cars and fancy clothes — much of it provided by the FBI.

Hussain, convicted of fraud for helping illegal aliens get driver’s licenses and desperately trying to avoid deportation, had turned FBI informant in 2002.

Hussain’s flash attracted the attention of James Cromitie, a Walmart employee and drug dealer. Conversations of hypothetical situations quickly turned into discussions of a plot to bomb synagogues in the name of Allah.

At Hussain’s urging, Cromitie recruited three others: David Williams, a part-time student with a past drug rap who needed cash to get treatment for his brother’s liver cancer; Payen, a Haitian immigrant who Cromitie believed was “a little slow”; and Onta Williams, a drug dealer who had served time. None of the four men, all broke, even owned a car.

Hussain promised $250,000 for a successful mission. All four men agreed to help under one condition:

“We don’t want to hurt nobody,” David Williams is heard telling Hussain on FBI hidden-video footage “We want to just destroy property. We don’t want to take no lives.”

 

The foiled terror plot was trumpeted as a “textbook example of how a major investigation should be conducted” by then-Police Commissioner Ray Kelly.

But Mike German, a former FBI agent not involved in the case, told the filmmakers the sting turned the men into people they were not.

 

“Were they the best people in society? No,” he said. “But they weren’t terrorists, and this government operation over the course of the year was specifically designed to turn them into terrorists.”

FM
Originally Posted by Mr.T:

The problem with these mosques is that they are known terrorist recruiting ground. There isn't an islamic militant who did not get his sense of jihad from the training he received in a mosque.

 

 

Can you please name these mosques and the imaams?

Kari
Originally Posted by TI:

Recruiting ground for the FBI. HBO currently showing this documentary.

 

 

On May 20, 2009, four Muslim men from upstate Newburgh were arrested by the FBI and charged with plotting to bomb two Jewish synagogues in The Bronx and shoot missiles at military supply planes at Stewart International Airport.

The FBI and NYPD claimed they caught the infamous “Newburgh Four” red-handed. But was the sting really a setup, and were the men more guilty of simple greed than terrorism?

Those are the questions “The Newburgh Sting,” an HBO documentary premiering Monday at 9 p.m., seeks to answer. It was directed and produced by Emmy Award winners Kate Davis and David Heilbroner.

When Pakistani-born Shahed Hussain first showed up at the Masjid al-Ikhlas mosque 60 miles north of New York City in spring 2008, worshippers took note of his fine cars and fancy clothes — much of it provided by the FBI.

Hussain, convicted of fraud for helping illegal aliens get driver’s licenses and desperately trying to avoid deportation, had turned FBI informant in 2002.

Hussain’s flash attracted the attention of James Cromitie, a Walmart employee and drug dealer. Conversations of hypothetical situations quickly turned into discussions of a plot to bomb synagogues in the name of Allah.

At Hussain’s urging, Cromitie recruited three others: David Williams, a part-time student with a past drug rap who needed cash to get treatment for his brother’s liver cancer; Payen, a Haitian immigrant who Cromitie believed was “a little slow”; and Onta Williams, a drug dealer who had served time. None of the four men, all broke, even owned a car.

Hussain promised $250,000 for a successful mission. All four men agreed to help under one condition:

“We don’t want to hurt nobody,” David Williams is heard telling Hussain on FBI hidden-video footage “We want to just destroy property. We don’t want to take no lives.”

 

The foiled terror plot was trumpeted as a “textbook example of how a major investigation should be conducted” by then-Police Commissioner Ray Kelly.

But Mike German, a former FBI agent not involved in the case, told the filmmakers the sting turned the men into people they were not.

 

“Were they the best people in society? No,” he said. “But they weren’t terrorists, and this government operation over the course of the year was specifically designed to turn them into terrorists.”

Please publish the NYPD statistics on the number of moswues; the number they surveil; and the number that is "a breeding ground for terrorists".

Kari

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