Good luck to Chanders, he is the West Indies backbone.

Great to see you posting Al. You missed out on a lot of fun, especially the recent backlash against the AFC cry babies and snake oil salesmen.

Shiv Chanderpaul is a winner; Khemraj Ramjattan, Moses Nagamootoo and a lot of the AFC folks are losers---Winners like Shiv will always prosper. Losers like Khemraj and Moses will always perish.

Rev

THE GREAT TIGER WILL REACH THAT TARGET WITH NO PROBLEM

THE FOOL GIBSON HAS TO WATCH AND LEARN. THE SOONER THIS FOOL GOES, THE BETTER FOR WI CRICKET.

GO TIGER!!!

ray:

Shiv Chanderpaul is a Guyanese of distinction. He is the grittiest and most dedicated cricketer to ever play for the West Indies. Playing in his 18th year, Shiv is about to reach a remarkable plateau--10K runs in tests. He'll be only the 10th batsman in history to reach 10,000 test runs. How about wishing Shiv well ray ? You sound peeved and perturbed.  

http://www.windiesfans.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=4537

Rev

Chanderpaul might be a great batsman but I will not put him in the category of a Rohan Kandhi or an Alvin Isaac Kallicharran.

When you have people like Bob Marley and Sunil Gavaskar naming their sons after you.  When you have writers like C.L.R. James writing books about you then that is truely great.  Or in the case of Kallicharran when you are doing commercials for large British grocery stores 30 years after you retired from cricket that is great.   

Chanderpaul might be a great batsman but I will not put him in the category of a Rohan Kandhi or an Alvin Isaac Kallicharran.  

No one with a functioing brain would ever claim that Shiv is a better batsman than Kanhai or Kali---Shiv can't lace those guys boots when it comes to batting.

But check this:

 

* Shiv has played in more tests(140) than any other West Indian cricketer.

 

* Only Lara has more runs in tests and onedayers than Shiv

 

* Only Lara(34) and Sobers(26) have more test hundreds than Shiv(25)

 

* Shiv has more scores over fifty in tests(82) than any other West Indian

Shiv Chanderpaul has represented Guyana with distinction and he will go down in history as a great West Indian cricketer.

http://shivisgreat.com/

Rev

Shiv is as good as Kanhai and Kali. They ALL excelled at the Game of Ceicket. They are different players and played in different periods so comparing them will not be Fair. The FACT is they ALL did GREAT and have good records.

Shiv Chanderpaul was unceremoniously dropped from the West Indies oneday team after scoring 8778 runs at an average 41.60 with 11 hundreds and 59 fifties.

But 37 year old Shiv continues to play in tests---hopefully he'll continue to prosper in tests for another 5 years.

Shiv needs 82 runs to reach 10K---and he needs 2036 runs to surpass the great Brian Lara(11953) as the highest scorer in WI test history.

Discuss cricket here:

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Rev

Shiv have to wear helmet.  You ever seen them two other guys wear helmet.  Them two men stand up to Thompson and lillee with no helmet.  Shiv can do that.  Hell no.

Shiv can do this.

Yes he can. Lillie and Thompson were only great in Australia. Tiger would have made Choka out of them.

You don't know what you are talking about.  Why don't Shiv take off the helmet then.  You see any helmet or chest guard or shoulder guard or wrist guard in that video.

Bannas, You are living in the past. Helmet and other equipments are standard these days.. They dont make you a better player.

Wally:

Kali always looked like the kind of batsman who should have ended his test career averaing in the 50s.

The reality is Kali ended his test career scoring 4399 runs in 66 tests at an ordinary average of 44.43 with 12 hundreds and 21 fifties.

Shiv to date has scored 9918 runs in 139 tests at an average of 49.83 with 25 hundreds and 57 fifties.

Shiv has played 73 more tests than Kali---he has scored 5519 more runs than Kali---13 more hundreds than Kali---and 36 more fifties than Kali.

Numerically--Kali is a pipsqueak compared to Shiv.

Kali and Kanhai were better batsmen than Shiv---they surely looked better--but numbers dont lie---Shiv put up better numbers than Kanhai and Kali.

Rev

You guys got a point, But for me no one can touch the feet of the great Rohan Bholalall Kanhai and the great Alvin Isaac Kallicharran.

I love Shiv...but I don't think he is as exciting as Kalli and Kanhai...although he had some exciting innings and finishes as well...

I don't think West Indies should have dropped him from ODIs...but the folks now running West indies cricket are damn fools!

I assume you are speaking only about Guyanese cricketers when you say this...Freddo was also extremely exciting

Hope WI wins this one

I knew Freddo's father.  He was a nice dougla man that lived by the berbice river.  Freddo was good too. 

Shiv has all the shots in the book--he can attack---he can defend. Unfortunately most of the time Shiv walks to the wicket---the West Indies are in trouble---and he has to play a rebuilding role.

I believe Shiv sold himself short in his test career---he should have allowed himself to score at a faster rate.

Shiv's scoring rate after 139 tests is 42.61---he has scored 42.61 runs from ever 100 ball faced; Dravid had a 42.51 scoring rate.

Had Shiv's scoring rate been 1 point higher(43.61 instead of 42.61)---had he scored 1 more run from every 100 ball faced---he would have had 10150 runs by now(instead of 9918) and his average would have been 51.00 instead of 49.83

Oh well! Shiv will never be deemed an attacking or exciting batsman---but he had the goods to be both---he just chose to play for the team---and in the process be dull and boring.

Rev

I don't get the point of fighting who is best among Kalli, RK and Chanders. They are all great bastmen and so were LLoyd, Fredricks. Batting is about making runs no matter how you turn and twist.

They did the same thing to Carl Hooper. He was 36 and batting good. He was completely dropped from the team but he went on to play in Australian provincial cricket for many years after.  I think that the board is thinking that Shiv is at the end of his career so start grooming younger players.  Scientific studies show that after 36 year males start to produce less testostorone in their bodies.

Wally:

Shiv's countryman Clive lloyd was 40y 81d when he scored his last test hundred.

Some men get better with age---Shiv looks like he is one of those men.

Over the last 5 years Shiv has scored 3182 runs in 38 tests at an average of 66.29 with 11 hundreds and 17 fifties.

Rush

Oh well! Shiv will never be deemed an attacking or exciting batsman---but he had the goods to be both---he just chose to play for the team---and in the process be dull and boring.

Rev

The Rev has a point.  Larry Gomes said that he could have been an attacking and stylish batman if he wanted to. But he believed that by doing so he was taking a risk for himself and his team so he chose to be dull, boring but dependable and consistent.

The Aussies are struggling at 164/6

shillingford 25-6-55-4

The WI bowling looks good---it will depend on the WI batting.

BUT MIRACLES DO OCCUR NOW AND THEN.

And the Windies may very well pull off a miracle and win the final test.

The oneday series was tied 2-2; the t20 series was tied 1-1. The Aussies lead the test series 1-0. A win in this test for the Windies and the test series will end 1-1.

Rev

Is this Shillingford related to the Shillingford from Kalli's team.

Read this:

"Shane Shillingford becomes the first Dominican to play Test cricket in his home country. Only four others have played for the West Indies and one stand is named after two of them, the Grayson Shillingford and Irving Shillingford Stand, two of Shane's distant cousins."

Irving and Grayson Shillingford---distant cousins of Shane.

Rev

Hope Sars able to make it back on the team...he much better than some of the current players

Rev

I have seen SHiv on the go...he is indeed capable or scoring quickly...he just into the habit to taking his time ( like you said, he had to)....even up to now if he does not hold up the middle, West Indies done

Not as long as Gibson is there. Sars should try to get into IPL and tell Gibson to fly a Kite!!!

Hope Gibson gets sacked!!

Not only Gibson but the entire incompetent and foolish Board, including Butts.

Hope Sars able to make it back on the team...he much better than some of the current players

Sars can only blame himself for being dropped from the West Indies team.

Check out his averages in his last 4 test series:

* 34.00 vs England in 2009

* 22.00 vs Australia in 2010

* 13.50 vs Pakustan in 2011

* 7.25 vs India in 2011

SARS DESERVED TO BE DROPPED!

Rev

Numbers don't lie. Sars batting average was in decline. from 2009 to 2011. I heard that Sars fitness and mental attitude to the game was not taken seriously.

Tell it like it is AL.

Go WI Go. Good luck to Chanders. The great wall and backbone of the WI.

Why is young Bishoo being kept on the sidelines ?

LOL. Very funny. I did not hear the word Choka being used in a very long time to describe batting.

Now was that Aloo (potato) or Eggplant (Bygone) Choka ? Bear in mind, I am a vegetarian. No shrimp or  fish Chokas please.

I usually turn off the TV after Tiger is out cause the rest of the team falls apart. No more Choka is dished out after Tiger is out.

WI should bring back Gayle and get rid of liability Sammy. Gayle can also dish out some Choka with hot roti and ginger tea.

The great Shiv Chanderpaul continues on his journey to 10,000 test runs. At the end of day 2 of the 3rd test match against Australia the West Indies are struggling at 165/8 chasing 328, but the great man is still at the wicket unbeaten on 34*. Shiv's runs tally is now up to 9952(his current average is 50.01)---he needs 48 more runs to become the 10th batsman in test history to reach 10K.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/we...nt/match/540178.html

Rev

Every time Shiv is batting the wickets are falling at the other end of the pitch.  So he has to end up batting with tailenders.  This man would have been even more better if he was in Lloyd or Kandhi or Sobers teams where he would have been batting with a much higher level of tallented cricketers so the pressure would not have been on him to save the team from a disaster collapse every time he is batting.