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Eight years ago, John Kerry won 41 percent of the white vote and lost to President Bush by nearly three points.  If Obama wins 41 percent of white voters in 2012, he'll win reelection thanks to an increasingly diverse country where non-white voters will represent roughly one-quarter of the electorate and cast roughly 80 percent of their ballots for the president. In September, President Obama held 41 percent of the white vote and that was enough for 49-plus percent of the vote and a four-point lead, even as polls found deflated enthusiasm among the young and Latino voters necessary for Obama to capitalize on favorable demographic trends. And if Obama’s vaunted ground operation or late gains in enthusiasm could rejuvenate non-white turnout rates to ’08 levels, Obama could afford to win as few as 38 percent of white voters and squeak out a narrow victory.

 

But since the first presidential debate, Obama’s support among white voters has fallen beneath the range consistent with reelection, even if minorities vote at the same rate that they did four years ago. An average of recent polls shows Obama holding 37.9 percent of white voters—and in 2008, poll internals tended to underestimate McCain's lead among white voters, at least compared to the exit polls. A combination of low enthusiasm and low support among Democratic-leaning independent voters are responsible for much of Obama’s decline, and polls suggest that a disproportionate share of them are whites without a college degree or Northeasterners. For Romney to maintain or grow his lead among white voters, these voters will either need to stay home or cast votes for the Republican. 

 

In the modern political era, it has taken extraordinary circumstances for Democrats to perform so poorly. The last Democratic candidate to fall so low was Walter Mondale, who only won 35 percent of the white vote in 1984. Even Michael Dukakis won 40 percent of the white vote in 1988. In 2010, House Democrats only won 37 percent of the white vote—the lowest tally for any party since the 1820s. Those blowouts resulted in 400 or 500 electoral vote landslides and a historic 63-seat gain in the House, but in 2012 it would only provide Romney with a narrow victory, since the non-white share of the electorate promises to be higher than it was in any of those contests.

 

Given the state of the economy, high Republican enthusiasm, and Obama’s low approval ratings, the 2012 election could see an extraordinary GOP performance among white voters. But there is a reason why flawed candidates like Dukakis and Kerry managed to reach 40 percent of the vote, or why Mondale still received 35 percent: such weak performances require Democrats to lose voters who traditionally vote for Democratic candidates. From a certain perspective, the traditional Democratic-lean of the remaining voters on Obama’s path to victory provides reason to believe that they might return to his side over the final 15 days of the campaign. This helps explain Romney’s relentlessly moderate approach in the debates, since his path to victory essentially requires him to win Kerry voters. It also explains why Obama feels comfortable pushing progressive social issues. 

 

The fact that Obama remains at such low levels among white voters with two weeks remaining illustrates the importance of minority and youth turnout (they're intertwined) to Obama's chance to win the national popular vote. Nearly half of Obama's '08 margin of victory was due to increased black turnout and support, and he'll need another strong showing to overcome a huge deficit among white voters. Of course, surveys show a tight race--precisely because most anticipate minorities will constitute a much higher share of the electorate than they did in 2004 and vote for Obama by an overwhelming margin.

 

But the polls do not anticipate strong Latino turnout and Obama can make up ground if his ground game can upset expectations. Incredibly, polls suggest that Obama might do better among Latino voters than he did in 2008.There probably isn't anything the Republicans could have done to significantly improve their standing among black voters so long as they faced Obama, but there are plenty of Latino swing voters and 40 percent voted for Bush in 2004.  If Romney makes a comeback in Ohio and Obama regenerates Latino turnout and wins Latino voters by as much or more than he did in '08 in states like Colorado, Nevada, or Florida, there's a chance we look back on the Republican decision to oppose comprehensive immigration reform (not to mention the DREAM Act) as the moment that ultimately cost them the 2012 election.

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Originally Posted by Kari:

 

 voters, these voters will either need to stay home or cast votes for the Republican. 

 

 

 

The fact that Obama remains at such low levels among white voters with two weeks remaining illustrates the importance of minority and youth turnout (they're intertwined) to Obama's chance to win the national popular vote. Nearly half of Obama's '08 margin of victory was due to increased black turnout and support, and he'll need another strong showing to overcome a huge deficit among white voters.

 

 

With black unemployment levels at almost historic levels within recent years and with the aura of electing the first black president less of an issue now..he has been there for almost 4 years and their lives arent any better, their access to opportunity probably worse, and worse yet, whites,seeing Obama displaying no interest in ensuring diverse leadership within his cabinet, seem to have followed suit.

 

Obama will do worse among white voters this time.  Black turnout will probably revert to the norm...11% vs 13% of the total reached in 2008.  Latins are unreliable voters, already many have indicate dthat they will not bother to vote.  Young voters ditto.  Both groups crushed by the recession, together with blacks, and Romney daily reminds them, as he attempts to persuade them that not voting is their best course of action, given that he klnows he cant win their support.

 

This will be a nail biter, and will measure how effective the Democrats will be in getting demoralized voters to come out.

 


 

FM
Originally Posted by baseman:

If Blacks know what's good for them, they would vote Romney. Obama will not get his Socialist agenda thru and the economy will languish resulting in continued high unemployment among blacks.

 

Whites are more objective and will vote against Obama, not cuz he black, but cuz he failed.

FM

If anyone thinks that the Black vote will be less than 2008 don't know the pride that comes with voting for the first African-American.That 47% gaffe can only get them enthused.

 

I can't speak much for the intensity of the Hispanic votes for Obama but we should be reminded it's the States that they're in that counts not those that are already in the books. For example, the Jewish Americans in Israel who voted by absentee ballot are likely to come from California, New York and Illinois - States that their pro-Romney vote won't budge those States in Romney's column.

 

The biggest fallacy here though is to treat the white voting as if its default is for Romney. The anti-Obama angst CaribJ refers to is consumed by those who would not have voted Obama in the first place. So this can be discounted. There are more registered Democrats among the whites and a lot of the young ones have 4 years to really view the perspective of the Bush-on-Steroids plans that Romney is peddling.

 

This race is Obama's to lose, and it is trending to a close one. I've felt that the Republicans taking this country to the cliff on the debt limit talks and the credit ratings fiasco is something that will not be forgotten by the voters. Close races in the final weeks sometimes break one way or the other. Polling among likely voters would reflect their dissatisfaction with the economy, but when you go into that booth, trust is a major factor. Romney is yet to close the deal on this.

 

the electoral college map still favors Obama. One unseen thing is the move from the polling to getting bodies to the polling booth. Don't under-estimate the Chicago boys in this kind of endeavor.

 

There has been one incumbent who failed to get re-elected - Senior Bush - and the economy did him in. His economic failures were his; Obama's slowly growing economy is not his doing. He is salvaging a huge hole and the public knows this. If Obama had taken a good economy and made it bad he was outta here. But you don't snicker at a growing economy that's better than Europe and Japan. And you don't sell short the millions of jobs created in the last 4 years.

 

Seniors don't forget. Medicare talks by Ryan scare them. Hispanics remember Romney's plan for illegal immigrants  and many have roots among a lot of them. If we give currency to the hardened Obama haters and devalue the worth of white Democrats, Blacks and Hispanics, then yeah, give Obama a ticket to Chicago. The only thing is there ain't gonna be any trucks on the White House lawn until 2016.

Kari

This could be a cliff-hanger.  Another four Obama years and we will be in the abyss of social engineering. Obama seems not to know how to do things any differently.  His 20 page job creation plan in nothing new or innovative.  Why did he not embark on that when the Dems were in full control?

FM

The US economy is turning around at a snail's pace. Whoever wins will inherit a economy that flattened out and is slowly starting to rebound. America is a great nation and the people will make the right choice. I still predict a close race with Obama having a slight edge. 

 

Hang tight for election night. We might be in for an election surprise.

FM
Originally Posted by BGurd_See:

Will you CaribJ move back to Guyana if Romney wins and cuts off section 8 and other social benefits?

Now I will come to rob you instead using guns that will be available at Duane Reade.  With less money for the states because of cut backs from the Feds and with guns easily available crime will become very lucrative.  Dont doubt just like within your state at cities like Trenton.

FM
Originally Posted by baseman:

This could be a cliff-hanger. 


You got that right.  Two medicore candidates, neither of whom ahve a credible plan to ensure job growth of 250k/month which is what we need to reduce unemployment.

 

I dont think that Americans are enthusiastic about either.  So those who do vote will do so for fear of the other.

FM
Originally Posted by Kari:

If anyone thinks that the Black vote will be less than 2008 don't know the pride that comes with voting for the first African-American

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Seniors don't forget. Medicare talks by Ryan scare them. Hispanics remember Romney's plan for illegal immigrants 

1.  Kari its clear that your connection to blacks is mainly to black politicians.  The days of "pride in the black President" has gone long time.  Walk around black neighborhoods in NYC and tell me how many Obama posters do you see these days when compared to 2008.  Understand that as bad off as it might be here its worse in places like NC and FL.

 

Its is quite likely that turnout will revert back to 2004 levels.  This will hurt badly in states like VA and NC where blacks are over 20% of the votes, so are 40% of those who will vote Obama.  Most blacks are conflicted about Obama. They will not condemn hiom publicly, but they seriously wonder if the enthusiasm which they showed him in 2008 has been reciprocted by Obama in terms of his protecting their interests to the extent that he can do so.

 

2.  Hispanics also note that Obama didnt pass any immigration bill.  What disturbs them even more is that Obama deported more people than even Bush did.  Of course they have also been hurt by the crisis.  Hispanics are not noted to be a reliable voting bloc, having much lower voter turn out than other groups.  Indications that while Obama has the majority of this bloc there is uncertainty about their turnout.  Again if it doesnt match 2008 Obama might have difficulties in NV and CO.

 

Bottom line Kari is that Obama will not get 43% of the white vote that he got in 2008.  While he will do no worse among blavcks and Latins the open question will be voter turn out, especially in the face of plans in several states to thwart this.

 

No Kari black people are not starving but proud of the first black President.  Just think back to 1983 when blacks, similarly disappointed with Dinkins, turned out in lower numbers than they did in 1979, causing him to lose. 

 

3.  Romney wins the senior vote.  Obvious because he loses the young white vote.  The older the white person is the less comfortable they are with a black president.  These are the facts.  The exception will be the Jewish voters, and this will help in in FL, that is unless there is a serious slump in the black turnout.  Remember also that PRicans in FL are more middle class oriented than those in NY, and so Obama will not win this bloc by the same % as he will in NYC.

FM
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It be good for Obama to loose.

 

Most Presidents have a mission once out of office.

 

Africa is waiting for its emergence. Obama is the man to unite African leaders for a progressive Africa. He will be crowned the President of all of Africa.

 

Strange this life. An Afro-American will contemporary roots in Africa and once the President of the greatest country on earth-America. That certainly has clout.

 

Africa awaits eagerly.

S
Originally Posted by seignet:

It be good for Obama to loose.

 

Most Presidents have a mission once out of office.

 

Africa is waiting for its emergence. Obama is the man to unite African leaders for a progressive Africa. He will be crowned the President of all of Africa.

 

Strange this life. An Afro-American will contemporary roots in Africa and once the President of the greatest country on earth-America. That certainly has clout.

 

Africa awaits eagerly.


Obama dislikes Africans even more than he dislikes American blacks.  He loves white liberals because he is one of them.  He will be a professor in a liberal bastion, here and/or the UK in 2017 ( I hope).

 

I feel confident that Obama's best days will be after he moves on to other things.  He is a man of character he means to do well.  He just doesnt appear to have executive qualities. 

 

His focus will be on green energy, not on anything to do with black people.  We served our purpose to help him acheive his goals, and now he is moving on.

FM

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