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Originally Posted by Chief:

At this festive season an idiot decided to cause harm to innocent people and at the same time got himself killed.

 

Unfortunately this has once again place Islam and Muslims in a bad situation. Some of these idiots want attention hence their foolish actions.

In the 1960's I read a Cover Story about one of these first Hijackers who cause harm to innocent people around the world.

 

The story concluded......

"Islam teaches us how to live in Peace, Love & Understanding

and.....What we are seeing now.....

 is not what Islam or Muslims do to People.....

It is what a few People do

in the Name of Islam"

 

 

FM
Last edited by Former Member

This is one of the numerous unfortunate incidents occurring worldwide.

 

However, in all other specific situations there is no reporting about the race, religion or other ethnic issues of the individuals.

 

When the media can report on issues and refrain from making connections with race / ethnic / religion issues of the individual(s), one would have proper information on the incident(s).

FM
Originally Posted by ksazma:
Actually I am beginning to appreciate when they identify these as Muslins. It may get more Muslims to wake up and smell the coffee that our noble religion is being hyjacked by evil people. We don't need these types amongst us.

I said this years ago about the religion being hijacked by fanatics

FM
Originally Posted by Chief:

I am so annoyed when innocents get killed either by idiots or when America drop our drones.

The reality is that if these people were living like good Muslims we would not have to expend energy on them and would be able to focus our attention on the other evils of the world. But it wouldn't make sense to look at the other evils when there is so much in our own community. It is indeed quite an unfortunate predicament. 

FM
Originally Posted by ksazma:
Originally Posted by Chief:

I am so annoyed when innocents get killed either by idiots or when America drop our drones.

The reality is that if these people were living like good Muslims we would not have to expend energy on them and would be able to focus our attention on the other evils of the world. But it wouldn't make sense to look at the other evils when there is so much in our own community. It is indeed quite an unfortunate predicament. 

True dat!

cain
Originally Posted by Stormborn:
Originally Posted by Chief:

At this festive season an idiot decided to cause harm to innocent people and at the same time got himself killed.

 

Unfortunately this has once again place Islam and Muslims in a bad situation. Some of these idiots want attention hence their foolish actions.

Check this out.

 

These people are foolish. Muslims or Muslim countries don't have anywhere near the power they had during the days when they ruled South Spain for over700 years or India for over 1000 years and yet those countries are predominantly non-Muslim. How in these times would any western country become Islamized. So they are wasting their time worrying about something that wouldn't happen. 

FM
Originally Posted by ksazma:
Originally Posted by Stormborn:
Originally Posted by Chief:

At this festive season an idiot decided to cause harm to innocent people and at the same time got himself killed.

 

Unfortunately this has once again place Islam and Muslims in a bad situation. Some of these idiots want attention hence their foolish actions.

Check this out.

 

These people are foolish. Muslims or Muslim countries don't have anywhere near the power they had during the days when they ruled South Spain for over700 years or India for over 1000 years and yet those countries are predominantly non-Muslim. How in these times would any western country become Islamized. So they are wasting their time worrying about something that wouldn't happen. 

 

not really....

FM
Originally Posted by Stormborn:
Originally Posted by ksazma:
Originally Posted by Stormborn:
Originally Posted by Chief:

At this festive season an idiot decided to cause harm to innocent people and at the same time got himself killed.

 

Unfortunately this has once again place Islam and Muslims in a bad situation. Some of these idiots want attention hence their foolish actions.

Check this out.

 

These people are foolish. Muslims or Muslim countries don't have anywhere near the power they had during the days when they ruled South Spain for over700 years or India for over 1000 years and yet those countries are predominantly non-Muslim. How in these times would any western country become Islamized. So they are wasting their time worrying about something that wouldn't happen. 

 

not really....

Means nothing. They cannot Islamize London. There are extremists everywhere but the infrastructure wouldn't change.

FM
Originally Posted by Pointblank:

The fool in Australia was a reader and astrologist. Yet he claimed to be Muslim and so does the media. Reading palms and astrology is from paganism, and is totally opposite of Islam.

You do not get to define the Muslims. Sufi tradition is filled with all sorts of mysticism and there are other sects similarly disposed. Even within the mainstream Sunni and Shia sects are sub sects who believe in divination etc.

FM
Originally Posted by ksazma:

Well after watching about a third of that video, I must say that those Muslims are crazy. Hopefully they are in the minority. Plus I see a few cases where they are either lying on or misrepresenting Islamic law. These people will never be in a position to Islamize Britain.

 But they create right wing back lash as in Germany and ruin the lives of those who want live in peace in those places. All over Europe there is disagreement with accepting refugees. Syrians are dying in camps and thousands of others are killed on the seas because Europe and the US has no ready arms for them as in the past because they are afraid of increasing the population of people like this.

FM
Originally Posted by Stormborn:
Originally Posted by ksazma:

Well after watching about a third of that video, I must say that those Muslims are crazy. Hopefully they are in the minority. Plus I see a few cases where they are either lying on or misrepresenting Islamic law. These people will never be in a position to Islamize Britain.

 But they create right wing back lash as in Germany and ruin the lives of those who want live in peace in those places. All over Europe there is disagreement with accepting refugees. Syrians are dying in camps and thousands of others are killed on the seas because Europe and the US has no ready arms for them as in the past because they are afraid of increasing the population of people like this.

I agree. And that is why I say that these people are the true enemies of Islam and Muslims. Plus they lie a lot.

FM
Originally Posted by Stormborn:
Originally Posted by Pointblank:

The fool in Australia was a reader and astrologist. Yet he claimed to be Muslim and so does the media. Reading palms and astrology is from paganism, and is totally opposite of Islam.

You do not get to define the Muslims. Sufi tradition is filled with all sorts of mysticism and there are other sects similarly disposed. Even within the mainstream Sunni and Shia sects are sub sects who believe in divination etc.

One cannot be a MUSLIM and practice Astrology And I am not the one who made the rule.

 

Pointblank
Originally Posted by Pointblank:
Originally Posted by Stormborn:
Originally Posted by Pointblank:

The fool in Australia was a reader and astrologist. Yet he claimed to be Muslim and so does the media. Reading palms and astrology is from paganism, and is totally opposite of Islam.

You do not get to define the Muslims. Sufi tradition is filled with all sorts of mysticism and there are other sects similarly disposed. Even within the mainstream Sunni and Shia sects are sub sects who believe in divination etc.

One cannot be a MUSLIM and practice Astrology And I am not the one who made the rule.

 

Is the practice of astrology forbidden in Islam? If it is, why is it that some ME nations have the moon and star(s) on their national flags.

FM
Originally Posted by Stormborn:
Originally Posted by ksazma:
Originally Posted by Stormborn:
Originally Posted by Chief:

At this festive season an idiot decided to cause harm to innocent people and at the same time got himself killed.

 

Unfortunately this has once again place Islam and Muslims in a bad situation. Some of these idiots want attention hence their foolish actions.

Check this out.

 

These people are foolish. Muslims or Muslim countries don't have anywhere near the power they had during the days when they ruled South Spain for over700 years or India for over 1000 years and yet those countries are predominantly non-Muslim. How in these times would any western country become Islamized. So they are wasting their time worrying about something that wouldn't happen. 

 

not really....

Actually, after watching the entire video, Stacy agrees with me that the fear is overblown. These small pockets of crazies don't have the power to change western society. 

FM
Originally Posted by skeldon_man:
Originally Posted by Pointblank:
Originally Posted by Stormborn:
Originally Posted by Pointblank:

The fool in Australia was a reader and astrologist. Yet he claimed to be Muslim and so does the media. Reading palms and astrology is from paganism, and is totally opposite of Islam.

You do not get to define the Muslims. Sufi tradition is filled with all sorts of mysticism and there are other sects similarly disposed. Even within the mainstream Sunni and Shia sects are sub sects who believe in divination etc.

One cannot be a MUSLIM and practice Astrology And I am not the one who made the rule.

 

Is the practice of astrology forbidden in Islam? If it is, why is it that some ME nations have the moon and star(s) on their national flags.

The Qur'an states that "intoxicants and gambling, and fortune telling and idol worshiping are abominations of Satan's handiwork, shun them if you want to prosper". So stuff like tarot cards are not Islamic.

FM
Originally Posted by skeldon_man:
Originally Posted by Pointblank:
Originally Posted by Stormborn:
Originally Posted by Pointblank:

The fool in Australia was a reader and astrologist. Yet he claimed to be Muslim and so does the media. Reading palms and astrology is from paganism, and is totally opposite of Islam.

You do not get to define the Muslims. Sufi tradition is filled with all sorts of mysticism and there are other sects similarly disposed. Even within the mainstream Sunni and Shia sects are sub sects who believe in divination etc.

One cannot be a MUSLIM and practice Astrology And I am not the one who made the rule.

 

Is the practice of astrology forbidden in Islam? If it is, why is it that some ME nations have the moon and star(s) on their national flags.

 Sorry to inform you that if no modern university dare offer a  doctorate offered in  astrology, in ancient times it was all there was. Astronomy came out of astrology. Arab astronomy was rooted in astrology. Their medicine was rooted in astrology and it was the reason they studied the heavens for regularity and what it portends. It is no shame to admit the term astronomy as a discipline is grounded in astrology.

FM

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