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Air France headscarf row: what not to wear when visiting Muslim countries

 
Women in Dubai
Women in Dubai CREDIT: 2009 AFP/KARIM SAHIB 4 APRIL 2016 

Air France stewardesses were last week told to wear headscarves upon arrival in Tehran when the airline resumes services there later this month. The order sparked outrage among female cabin crew members, some of whom say they will refuse to fly to the Iranian capital.

Here we explain the dress code guidelines for visitors to Iran, and other popular Muslim tourist destinations. 

The Foreign Office (FCO) advises that travellers to Islamic countries should respect local traditions, customs, laws and religions at all times and should be aware of their actions to ensure they don’t offend locals, especially during the holy month of Ramadan (which takes place between June 6 and July 5 this year) and when religious places.

Iran

The current Foreign Office advice for travel to Iran outlines that Islamic codes of behaviour and dress are strictly enforced. In any public place women must cover their heads with a headscarf, wear trousers (or a floor length skirt), and a long-sleeved tunic or coat that reaches to mid-thigh or knee. Men should wear long trousers and long-sleeve shirts.

There are additional dress requirements at certain religious sites. Women may be asked to put on a chador (a garment that covers the whole body except the face) before entering, it adds.

According to the dress code advice section of the website Iranvisa.com, said to be authorised by the Iranian national tourist board and the Iranian Ministry of Foreign Affairs, while Islamic dress codes are necessary in the country, “these rules are not observed very strict [sic], especially for tourists and foreigners” and should women forget to wear a hijab (headscarf), “the maximum penalty will be a request (usually in a kind way) to make it correct”.

The Azadi Tower in Tehran
The Azadi Tower in Tehran

The website also adds that women’s arms should not be left bare and their legs should be covered down to the ankles, though feet can be bare and sandals are permitted. While women's bodies “should be covered with loose clothes like [a] man shirt, coat or manteau”, “tight jeans are no problem”.

T-shirts are also acceptable for men, but shorts should not be worn in public places, according to the website.

Morocco

While Morocco may be more relaxed about dress codes than other Muslim countries, women, especially when travelling alone, may attract unwanted attention. To minimise hassle, you should dress modestly, the FCO warns. 

“After nightly antics in the Djemaa el-Fna for 1,000 years, Marrakech isn’t easily shocked. Still, it’s considered a sign of respect for your hosts to keep knees and shoulders covered. (This goes for men, too.)", saysTelegraph Travel’s Marrakech expert Paula Hardy.

A souk in Marrakech
A souk in Marrakech

"Headscarves and skull caps aren’t expected, nor are they judged. In cosmopolitan Marrakech, it is understood that religious devotion and cultural affiliation cannot be determined by appearances alone.

“Mosques and zawiyyas (saint’s shrines) are not open to non-Muslims,” she adds. 

United Arab Emirates

"Respect for local culture and customs is highly desirable," the United Arab Emirates tourism website states

"Bikinis, swimsuits, shorts and revealing tops should be confined to beach resorts. Men should not be bare-chested away from the beach and women are advised not to wear short skirts and to keep their shoulders covered. Note that in the emirate of Sharjah, women are prohibited from wearing swimsuits on public beaches." 

Women should dress modestly when in public areas like shopping malls. Clothes should cover the tops of the arms and legs, and underwear should not be visible. Swimming attire should be worn only on beaches or at swimming pools, the FCO warns

A beach in Dubai
A beach in Dubai

“If you want to be accepted and value the opportunity to befriend locals, dress modestly," says Telegraph Travel's Dubai expert Lara Dunston. "Women should wear skirts to the knees or longer, tops with sleeves, and nothing too tight or revealing; men should wear trousers/jeans and tops with sleeves. While you’ll see foreigners wearing less, this is highly offensive to Emiratis and it reduces your chances of meeting locals and getting the most out of your visit. Don’t even think about wearing swimwear away from the beach or hotel swimming pool. Do so and you risk being fined or, at worst, jailed.” 

Turkey

Dress conservatively when visiting mosques or a shrine, advises the FCO, and follow the dress codes posted outside each one, says Terry Richardson, Telegraph Travel’s Turkey expert.

Both men and women should not wear shorts, sleeveless shirts or anything that exposes too much flesh. Women should wear skirts reaching below the knee level, and shirts with sleeves preferably elbow length or longer. 

The Blue Mosque, Istanbul
The Blue Mosque, Istanbul

Some of the country's most popular attractions, such as the Blue Mosque, may provide robes to tourists on site to cover themselves.

A woman wearing a headscarf and a chador [full body robe) on a street in Istanbul
A woman wearing a headscarf and a chador (full body robe) on a street in Istanbul CREDIT:FOTOLIA/AP

In 2013, stricter dress codes were enforced at the Unesco World Heritage site, and a plastic mannequin dressed in a robe and headscarf was reported to have been placed in the walkway of the entrance to the Blue Mosque to serve as a model of how visitors should dress.

Egypt

While the Egyptian tourism ministry doesn’t state any specific strict dress codes, being a predominantly Muslim country, tourists to Egypt are advised to dress modestly, especially in rural areas, mosques and souqs (markets), the FCO states.  

Tourists in Sharm el Sheikh
Tourists in Sharm el Sheikh CREDIT: 2012 AFP/MOHAMMED ABED

Women’s clothes should cover the legs and upper arms. Men should cover their chests. What may be acceptable in the tourist resort areas, such as Sharm el Sheikhi, may not be in Cairo.

Oman

Islam is the state religion in Oman and both sexes tend to dress conservatively, with men generally wearing an ankle length collarless gown called a dishdasha and women a long black dress called an abaya.

Most tour operators advise tourists to wear long-sleeved tops and trousers and only wear swimsuits on the beach.

The Foreign Office agrees: “Women should dress modestly in public areas. Clothes should cover the tops of the arms and legs, and underwear should not be visible.

“You should not wear swimming attire in public areas, except on tourist beaches or swimming pools. Women wearing shorts, or tight-fitting clothes, are likely to attract attention” it adds.

Last year, concerns were raised over whether cultural values are being respected after a man was reported to be singled out by security for wearing shorts at the City Centre Muscat mall.

“All of Majid Al Futtaim’s shopping malls have a courtesy policy in place, which is in line with the government policy on dress codes, to guide our visitors in wearing clothing that is culturally appropriate, and ensuring the comfort of all guests,” a statement provided at the time to the newspaper by the mall read.

"Oman’s shopping centres generally have signs clearly placed around them warning of the dress code expected,” Lizzie Porter, who previously travelled to the country, told Telegraph Travel.

“The vast majority of Omanis, especially in non-urban areas, dress modestly," she added. 

Ligi George, from the public relations section of the Women’s Guild in Oman (WGO), told the Times of Oman that while most of the visitors had tried to familiarise themselves with local customs, it can lead to “uncomfortable situations in public places for the local community and may lead to unpleasant interactions in general” when a few do not.

Lebanon

Lebanon is part Muslim, part Christian. In many areas you will find dress codes more relaxed than in other countries of the region, but theFCO advises travellers should still dress modestly when visiting religious sites and when it’s clear that local people expect it.

The beach coast of Beirut
The beach coast of Beirut

While Beirut, the heart of the country’s fashion industry, might be full of stylishly and extravagantly dressed women and men, the city’s conservative Shiite majority has established a different standard and anywhere outside the capital locals are said to follow a conservative look.

Jordan

Jordan is a conservative society. You should dress modestly and behave courteously, the FCO warns.

Exposing as little skin as possible is key, wearing long trousers and shirts with long sleeves and high neck lines are advised for both men and women.

Petra, Jordan
Petra, Jordan

Women should wear loose fitting clothes, covering the arms, legs and chest area, while T-shirts are best avoided for both sexes. Women’s hair should be dry, as wet hair is said to suggest sexual availability, and long hair should be clipped up following the pattern of local Jordanian women with long hair, who rarely wear it below their shoulders if they aren’t wearing a headscarf. Foreign women who cover their heads could also possibly be seen as inappropriate to non-Muslims in Jordan, especially by the women of Jordan’s Christian communities who do not wear headscarves.

However, within the districts of Amman such as Abdoun and Shmeisani, in large hotels and resorts, and Petra, tourists, especially those travelling in tour groups, are said to be free to dress more casually.  Outside these areas, women are advised to wear knee-length dresses or loose trousers, and cover your shoulders and upper arms.

On public beaches at the Dead Sea and in Aqaba, women may wear a swimsuit, preferably with a T-shirt and shorts over it, but bikinis should only be worn at high-end resorts and dive centres.

Saudi Arabia

It is forbidden for Saudi women to appear in public without their heads covered, and most Saudi women wear niqabs (veil).  Shopping is the main pastime in Riyadh, enjoyed by women and men. Women will normally be fully covered, including veils, the FCO states.

Saudi women in the village Al-Thamama, 50 kilometres north of the Saudi capital Riyadh
Saudi women in the village Al-Thamama, 50 kilometres north of the Saudi capital Riyadh CREDIT: GETTY

Riyadh is the capital of the Central region of Saudi Arabia, and of the country. It is a deeply conservative city and women should dress modestly when in public areas like shopping malls. Clothes should cover the tops of the arms and legs, and underwear should not be visible. Swimming attire should be worn only on beaches or at swimming pools, the FCO adds.

Last year, Michelle Obama caused controversy by not wearing a headscarf during her visit to the country. The First Lady dressed conservatively in black trousers and a long jacket, wearing loose clothing that fully covered her arms, but did not cover her head.

Hundreds of Saudis were reported to have taken to Twitter using hashtags translating to “#Michelle_Obama_Immodest” and "#Michelle_Obama_NotVeiled” to voice their disapproval of her decision not to observe Saudi customs.

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Lucas posted:

I have said before that SECULARISTS are allied with ISLAMISTS against CHRISTIANITY

How so?  If a French woman goes to a beach in Barbados and does that topless thing, she will become very acquainted with a Bajan police station, and how expensive such behavior.

When in Rome do as the Romans do.  A head scarf is necessary in Iran, and a bikini top is in Barbados.

FM

What is wrong with that if Guyanese Hindu and Muslim  East Indian women would wear their traditional headgear in public it would give them a sense of pride in their religions and culture in the face of a society and a bollywood culture that promotes the supremacy of the indentured servant masters who brutally treated their ancestors.

Prashad
Prashad posted:

What is wrong with that if Guyanese Hindu and Muslim  East Indian women would wear their traditional headgear in public it would give them a sense of pride in their religions and culture in the face of a society and a bollywood culture that promotes the supremacy of the indentured servant masters who brutally treated their ancestors.

Folks can do as they wish, including fooling themselves that they are Brahmin.

 

So here we have our "Africanized Indo Saxon".  Because like it or not, that is what you are.  If you don't like that I will call you an Indo Saxon Creole.

Face it prashad your average Indo Guyanese speaks more like a Jamaican, or a pidgin speaking Igbo from Nigeria, than they do like any one from the villages of Uttar Pradesh, or Bihar. 

Because the creolese that Indo Guyanese speak is but an adaptation of the pidgin/creole languages which developed in the 17th centuries in the parts of West Africa which interacted with the British slave traders, as well as in the British West Indian colonies themselves.

You might see yourself as a separate Indian nation, and likely many/most Indo Guyanese share you view.  I invite you to go to any restaurant in RH, and the menus will reflect the full diversity of the Caribbean, as will the music.

In fact I went to a chutney performance (the real chutney, not the soca variety) performed by the Rajkumari Singh Dancers.  This was in a NY public library.  The organizer/choreography I believe is one of that famous woman's daughters.  She went at length to determine that while the dance and music forms were based on the peasant culture of North India, that distinct AFRO CARIBBEAN influences had emerged.

FM
caribny posted:
Prashad posted:

What is wrong with that if Guyanese Hindu and Muslim  East Indian women would wear their traditional headgear in public it would give them a sense of pride in their religions and culture in the face of a society and a bollywood culture that promotes the supremacy of the indentured servant masters who brutally treated their ancestors.

Folks can do as they wish, including fooling themselves that they are Brahmin.

 

So here we have our "Africanized Indo Saxon".  Because like it or not, that is what you are.  If you don't like that I will call you an Indo Saxon Creole.

Face it prashad your average Indo Guyanese speaks more like a Jamaican, or a pidgin speaking Igbo from Nigeria, than they do like any one from the villages of Uttar Pradesh, or Bihar. 

Because the creolese that Indo Guyanese speak is but an adaptation of the pidgin/creole languages which developed in the 17th centuries in the parts of West Africa which interacted with the British slave traders, as well as in the British West Indian colonies themselves.

You might see yourself as a separate Indian nation, and likely many/most Indo Guyanese share you view.  I invite you to go to any restaurant in RH, and the menus will reflect the full diversity of the Caribbean, as will the music.

In fact I went to a chutney performance (the real chutney, not the soca variety) performed by the Rajkumari Singh Dancers.  This was in a NY public library.  The organizer/choreography I believe is one of that famous woman's daughters.  She went at length to determine that while the dance and music forms were based on the peasant culture of North India, that distinct AFRO CARIBBEAN influences had emerged.

The super structure of creole phonology may be African but it is not special. Creoles the world over are architectured from the ground up by kids driven by their bio program to clothe  the pidgin available with words and a grammar.

FM

Caribbeanj and Stormborn are examples of a classic U. Tom. Here we have coloured folk brainwashed in to believing every aspect of their culture came from Europe.

Prashad
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Prashad posted:

Caribbeanj and Stormborn are examples of a classic U. Tom. Here we have coloured folk brainwashed in to believing every aspect of their culture came from Europe.

I think you are the classic idiot. Nowhere was that idea broached much less embraced by me. I cannot deny I am of the western tradition. I am thankful for it because it's  core structures were sourced from across the planet and represents the best practices. I am also West Indian, Guyanese and amerindian.

FM

These Toms are not stupid they will never share their worldviews openly with this board because people will figure out they are about tomism. Instead they will hide their Eurocentric views and offer it up hidden in the Culture of coloured like bollywood.

Prashad
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Prash you on a roll today bhai,no one is take away our East Indian[ess]as soon as we speak we are recognized as West Indian and not Indian from India,most of my customers from India recognized that,some will think i am from India i would then tell them how many generations away from India.I am a New Englander residing here for 20 yrs there is little tinge of West Indian in my accent.

Django

To me Indians from South Africa do not look Indian at all... they  are the happiest of the entire Indian diaspora.... in contrast to the Indians from the South Continent, who have the saddest look.

FM
Lucas posted:

To me Indians from South Africa do not look Indian at all... they  are the happiest of the entire Indian diaspora.... in contrast to the Indians from the South Continent, who have the saddest look.

Me thinks you are blinded looking only for sad faces.

Django
Stormborn posted:
Prashad posted:

Caribbeanj and Stormborn are examples of a classic U. Tom. Here we have coloured folk brainwashed in to believing every aspect of their culture came from Europe.

I think you are the classic idiot. Nowhere was that idea broached much less embraced by me. I cannot deny I am of the western tradition. I am thankful for it because it's  core structures were sourced from across the planet and represents the best practices. I am also West Indian, Guyanese and amerindian.

Interesting!

I had an inkling find out where the word and label "East Indian" started from. It turns out, from my research, it was the term referred to the children of native indian whose fathers were Europeans.

The distinction of that era, natives and east indians.

Suh we should say the same thing, natives and west indians.  

S
Prashad posted:

Soon Caribbeanj will be telling us that English was started in West Africa by some Africans who got the idea after watching several bollywood movies.

No prashad, I am telling you that Indo Guyanese speak Africanized English, and this is the only language that most of them can speak.

No wonder the media described in an RH article about the phenomenon of seeing people who look Indian, but who speak like Jamaicans.

FM
Stormborn posted:
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The super structure of creole phonology may be African .

That is my point.  What is yours.  This pidgin English developed in the parts of West Africa when the English began to trade.

Africanized forms of Euro languages had already developed, based on contacts with the Portuguese, and in fact the well known "pickni" is a word that transferred over.  In fact Papiamento of Curacao is an example of this.

Srnan Tongo of Suriname, represents a very ancient form of this dialect. It remains very remote from Standard English as Suriname shifted from being a British to being a Dutch colony.  As a result it didn't become closer to standard English did occur in the English speaking Caribbean and also in Nigeria, Sierra Leone, Cameroon and Liberia.

What is interesting is that this pidgin English is much less present in Ghana as Akan, the language of the region, was spoken by a wide variety of ethnic groups, so they didn't need a Euro derived trading language.

This shifted from being a mere contact language, with its limitations, to full fledged dialects in places where English became the official language.

It becomes interesting and NOT coincidental

BTW the pidgin English of West Africa developed in the 17th C.  The other pidgin Englishes developed centuries later.  Ever thought that those grammatical structures might have been descended from this original form.

When a Guyanese says "A deh heh", that makes perfect sense to a Nigerian or a Sierra Leonean.  It makes no sense to some one from Mumbai.

A Sierra Leonean tells a foreigner "You deh in Sierra Leone so oonoo guh fuh learn how fuh taak Krio".  Try that in England and they don't know what you chatting about.  A Guyanese will know, except that "oonoo", and its derivative "wunu," are used in Jamaican and Bajan dialect, though not in Guyana.  But an African will be perfectly comfortable with saying "ahyou" instead.

Prashad,you are an Africanized Indo Saxon, and you can jump and scream like an ape, but that doesn't change that fact.

FM
Prashad posted:

Caribbeanj and Stormborn are examples of a classic U. Tom. Here we have coloured folk brainwashed in to believing every aspect of their culture came from Europe.

Hmmm.  I see that prashad is an illiterate as I did call him an Africanized Indo Saxon.

Prashad this implies that aspects of who you are derive from AFRICA!

Now go and throw yourself in boiling water at your disgust with this fact!

FM
Prashad posted:

These Toms are not stupid

OK so I will call you an Africanized Indian instead.

Does this make you happy.  Now "galang you way".  Ask the Nigerians to tell your Indian friends what you meant.

FM
Prashad posted:

Another racist stereo of the East Indian people?

Say hi to your Nigerian brothers, who have had great cultural influence on who you are!

Now watch while your Indo sisters "shake dey pampalam" at the RH club.

FM
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