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Self-employment is not the answer

The supporters of the APNU+AFC were promised jobs during the election campaign. They were told that young people were jobless under the PPPC government. The manifesto promised jobs for the jobless.

The cry now from the coalition is that the jobs will have to come from self-employment. In other words, forget about what was promised. You have to work with yourself.  The young people are being urged to be their bosses. They are being told to go into business even though most of them have no business acumen.

The President has urged that people not look towards the public service, the police and the army for jobs. He says they have to look for self-employment.  It is strange that he is saying do not look to the police for jobs since the police is woefully short of ranks.

The Minister of Finance addressed the issue more elegantly. He said the job of the government is to create an enabling environment for the creation of jobs by the private sector. In other words, do not look to us, look to the private sector for the jobs.

The private sector is saying that things are tight in the economy. They are claiming that money is not circulating. The jobs are therefore not available, in the numbers required, within the private sector.

This is not what the supporters of the APNU+AFC had in mind when they cast their votes in May of 2015. They did not expect these explanations from the government. They expected that jobs would have been created, thousands of jobs so that the young people who were unemployed under the PPPC could gain employment.

A great many unemployed persons have gotten jobs since the new government took over. A good estimate would be about three thousand persons have been employed by the government itself. They have done so, unfortunately, at the expense of other persons who were either dismissed, forced to resign or whose contracts were either terminated or not renewed. In other words, persons have been let go to create space for others.

This is not job creation. It is job substitution. One set of workers have been substituted for another set of workers.

When the new government came in, they were under a lot of pressure to find jobs for their supporters. The new Ministers were spending a great deal of time meeting persons whose only mission was to either find a job for themselves or someone they knew. Also, a great many retirees suddenly decided that they wanted to work.

The dismissals and terminations therefore did not represent creating new jobs. It involved making space for other persons to be employed.

The PPP, so far, has failed to produce a comprehensive list of all those dismissed, forced to resign or whose contracts were not renewed. This list may run into the thousands. But it is obvious that thousands have been let go or are gone from their jobs since the new government took over.

Despite employing so many persons, there is still a deficit in the job market. Young people in particular are not finding work. They are becoming frustrated. They do not know what to do. The supporters of the APNU+AFC, however, are restrained in criticizing the government.

They do not want to make their government look bad but they are feeling the pain at the bottoms.

The government’s answer is self-employment. But self-employment in a small economy like Guyana will not create many jobs. It is not the answer.

The PPP had a different plan. Their plan was to create jobs through specific investments, not through the creation of an enabling environment.  The PPP felt that they had for twenty years been creating an enabling environment and it was time for job-creating investments.

They promised 10,000 new jobs. They had plans to back that promise. There were plans for industrial parks and call centers. They had gone as far as to provide buildings in rural areas which were intended to house call centers.

One call center firm had a major expansion which was started under the PPP but which was completed under the new government. Another call center company which was granted approval under the PPP was established under the new government and began with over 750 jobs.

So the private sector has been creating jobs.

The problem is that business, as distinct from the economy, is in a slump. There, are pressures on businesses to not expand. Guyanese businesses have a reputation, second to none when it comes to retaining workers in times of economic and business slowdown. Guyanese businesses do not usually lay off persons. So there have not been mass layoffs. This will come later this year when Wales Estate closes

The government is therefore not faced with a problem of job losses. In other words, the situation is not getting worse. It is not as if there is a net decline in jobs in the economy.  But the demand for jobs is so high that there is still a clamor for jobs.

The government’s answer to this need for jobs is to tell the unemployed to create your own employment. This however is easier said than done. Self-employment is an excuse, not a solution.

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Interestingly it was the answer for Linden after Jagdeo threw 3000 out of work when he sold  Guymine.  What did the PPP do to attract new industries to Linden to absorb these people, many of whom were among the most skilled people in Guyana.

In the 2002 census Region 10 was shown has having the second most educated population in Guyana, behind Region 4, and the most skilled labor force.

But Jagdeo and the PPP said "dem lazy blackman" as he now screams of his intentions to take back Guyana for Indians.

FM
caribny posted:
Bibi Haniffa posted:

Jagdeo will give this man a nervous breakdown.

Jagdeo must be having a mental break down as he screams that he will take back Guyana for Indians.

Now if Jagdeo said that self employment was good enough for Linden, then you should agree with Granger that it is good enough for all of Guyana!

You lying ra$$.  Jagdeo never said that. 

Bibi Haniffa
Bibi Haniffa posted:

"They promised 10,000 new jobs."  And delivered Katahar!!!!!!!!!!!! 

Guyana had huge levels of unemployment and some of the highest levels of child employment (vendors) in the Caribbean, aside from Haiti.  This as reported under the PPP.  As a result thousands of Guyanese were forced to flee to other parts of CARICOM.

So it appears as if neither the PPP nor the PNC deliver on their promises.

FM
Bibi Haniffa posted:
caribny posted:
Bibi Haniffa posted:

Jagdeo will give this man a nervous breakdown.

Jagdeo must be having a mental break down as he screams that he will take back Guyana for Indians.

Now if Jagdeo said that self employment was good enough for Linden, then you should agree with Granger that it is good enough for all of Guyana!

You lying ra$$.  Jagdeo never said that. 

So what did Jagdeo do to create jobs in Linden when HIS ACTIONS caused instant unemployment for 3,000 people.

And yes after he had his free concert in 2011 and Lindeners still refused to vote PPP FreeDUMB House was full of accusations that blacks are ungrateful.  I guess they should have voted for the people who threw them on the breadline merely because they got a free concert.

FM
caribny posted:
Bibi Haniffa posted:
caribny posted:
Bibi Haniffa posted:

Jagdeo will give this man a nervous breakdown.

Jagdeo must be having a mental break down as he screams that he will take back Guyana for Indians.

Now if Jagdeo said that self employment was good enough for Linden, then you should agree with Granger that it is good enough for all of Guyana!

You lying ra$$.  Jagdeo never said that. 

So what did Jagdeo do to create jobs in Linden when HIS ACTIONS caused instant unemployment for 3,000 people.

And yes after he had his free concert in 2011 and Lindeners still refused to vote PPP FreeDUMB House was full of accusations that blacks are ungrateful.  I guess they should have voted for the people who threw them on the breadline merely because they got a free concert.

Dem ra$$ get subsidized electricity.  Now Granger is turning Linden into Guyana's capital.  You should move back.  It nicer than Brooklyn now.

Bibi Haniffa
Bibi Haniffa posted:
 

Dem ra$$ get subsidized electricity.  Now Granger is turning Linden into Guyana's capital.  You should move back.  It nicer than Brooklyn now.

Oh yes.  Hungry belly but cheap electricity.  So what of food, housing, clothing?  

Bet you if Granger offers Wales cheap electricity and nothing more you would scream "blackman a starve ahbe".

BTW the cheap electricity is an incentive for BOSAI.  The fact that other users of electricity in Linden benefit is purely a coincidence, and as we saw the PPP wanted to punish Linden when they refused to vote for them.

Now I understand the rage when Jagdeo boasted that he would have received more votes than the PNC in Linden.

FM
caribny posted:
Bibi Haniffa posted:
 

Dem ra$$ get subsidized electricity.  Now Granger is turning Linden into Guyana's capital.  You should move back.  It nicer than Brooklyn now.

Oh yes.  Hungry belly but cheap electricity.  So what of food, housing, clothing?  

Bet you if Granger offers Wales cheap electricity and nothing more you would scream "blackman a starve ahbe".

BTW the cheap electricity is an incentive for BOSAI.  The fact that other users of electricity in Linden benefit is purely a coincidence, and as we saw the PPP wanted to punish Linden when they refused to vote for them.

Now I understand the rage when Jagdeo boasted that he would have received more votes than the PNC in Linden.

Why don't you give the woman a straight answer instead of reaching back into the past to play the blame game. What is Jackass Granger doing to create employment in Guyana? How many investors took up his call to invest in Guyana?  What are the plans? He is now telling buckman to go do farming and sell peanut butter.  

FM
caribny posted:
Bibi Haniffa posted:

"They promised 10,000 new jobs."  And delivered Katahar!!!!!!!!!!!! 

Guyana had huge levels of unemployment and some of the highest levels of child employment (vendors) in the Caribbean, aside from Haiti.  This as reported under the PPP.  As a result thousands of Guyanese were forced to flee to other parts of CARICOM.

So it appears as if neither the PPP nor the PNC deliver on their promises.

bullshit!!! The PNC gat the supporters they are proud of,  NAIVE, DUMB, STUPID AND ILLITERATE!!!!!!!

Nehru
Nehru posted:
caribny posted:
Bibi Haniffa posted:

"They promised 10,000 new jobs."  And delivered Katahar!!!!!!!!!!!! 

Guyana had huge levels of unemployment and some of the highest levels of child employment (vendors) in the Caribbean, aside from Haiti.  This as reported under the PPP.  As a result thousands of Guyanese were forced to flee to other parts of CARICOM.

So it appears as if neither the PPP nor the PNC deliver on their promises.

bullshit!!! The PNC gat the supporters they are proud of,  NAIVE, DUMB, STUPID AND ILLITERATE!!!!!!!

He is right. You may be ashamed to admit it hence the nonsense claims of people being illiterate. They just were not given the confidence in the environment by the powers that be that it is sufficiently stable to support the budding entrepreneur.

Illiterate and indeed naive guyanese come to the US, Canada etc and start businesses from the ground up. Many are also not simply "buying and selling" but creative enterprise where some produce is manufactured for a waiting consumer.

You definitely lack the discipline for any entrepreneurial task so you are a grunt behind a filing cabinet working for 60K an hour as a wage earning professional  and you have to be there every day. You will never get rich. You will barely make that necessary 3 million net worth for a safe retirement cap at 65 and so ensure a safe and a good life in your old age. Only entrepreneurs can do that.

FM
Demerara_Guy posted:

Extremely affordable electricity in the MacKenzie area is an incentive waaaaaay back in the days when Demba - Demerara Bauxite Company - started the company.

BOSAI, the new owners/operators, simply took over the operations a number of years ago.

They did not "take over". The assets were sold to OMAI by NICIL ( ramotar was on OMAI board) for five million. 4 years later under a new name OMAI sold it to the Chinese for 45 million. Do you smell a quid quo pro here?

FM
Stormborn posted:
Demerara_Guy posted:

Extremely affordable electricity in the MacKenzie area is an incentive waaaaaay back in the days when Demba - Demerara Bauxite Company - started the company.

BOSAI, the new owners/operators, simply took over the operations a number of years ago.

They did not "take over". The assets were sold to OMAI by NICIL ( ramotar was on OMAI board) for five million. 4 years later under a new name OMAI sold it to the Chinese for 45 million. Do you smell a quid quo pro here?

1. Successive ownership of the former DEMBA is the issue.

2. Take over and sold/bought ... same process.

FM
Drugb posted:
 

Why don't you give the woman a straight answer instead of reaching back into the past to play the blame game. What is Jackass Granger doing to create employment in Guyana? How many investors took up his call to invest in Guyana?  What are the plans? He is now telling buckman to go do farming and sell peanut butter.  

Answer is straight.  Jagdeo told Lindeners to go find their own jobs.  He did NOTHING to bring employment to Linden.

What did Jagdeo do to bring employment to an area which had the densest concentration of skilled workers. Any export zone with special tax incentives?  NO!   Even the little cheap electricity you all were grudging the people for, even though BOSAI is the biggest beneficiary of this.

And yet now that Granger says the same you all jump and scream.

You see when it was "lazy black people" you didn't care.  Now you feel that Indians might suffer now you do!

FM
Demerara_Guy posted:

Extremely affordable electricity in the MacKenzie area is an incentive waaaaaay back in the days when Demba - Demerara Bauxite Company - started the company.

BOSAI, the new owners/operators, simply took over the operations a number of years ago.

So BOSAI benefitted from the availability of cheap electricity.  Given that they are by far the biggest users of power in Linden then they benefitted the most.

So take off any notion that the PPP was doing Lindeners a favor.

FM
caribny posted:
Demerara_Guy posted:

Extremely affordable electricity in the MacKenzie area is an incentive waaaaaay back in the days when Demba - Demerara Bauxite Company - started the company.

BOSAI, the new owners/operators, simply took over the operations a number of years ago.

So BOSAI benefitted from the availability of cheap electricity.  Given that they are by far the biggest users of power in Linden then they benefitted the most.

So take off any notion that the PPP was doing Lindeners a favor.

Note ....

1. DEMBA was providing electricity to those at MacKenzie since its startup around 1916 ... one hundred years ago.

2. Because of DEMBA's operations, indeed the bauxite company consumed the most of the electricity source.

3. My comments absolutely has no reference to the PPP.

FM
Demerara_Guy posted:
caribny posted:
Demerara_Guy posted:

Extremely affordable electricity in the MacKenzie area is an incentive waaaaaay back in the days when Demba - Demerara Bauxite Company - started the company.

BOSAI, the new owners/operators, simply took over the operations a number of years ago.

So BOSAI benefitted from the availability of cheap electricity.  Given that they are by far the biggest users of power in Linden then they benefitted the most.

So take off any notion that the PPP was doing Lindeners a favor.

Note ....

1. DEMBA was providing electricity to those at MacKenzie since its startup around 1916 ... one hundred years ago.

2. Because of DEMBA's operations, indeed the bauxite company consumed the most of the electricity source.

3. My comments absolutely has no reference to the PPP.

Oh yes they do because the PPP was pretending as if the subsidy was only about "lazy and ungrateful blacks" and not about an entire system of which the bauxite company, under its diverse ownership benefitted from.

FM
caribny posted:
Drugb posted:
 

Why don't you give the woman a straight answer instead of reaching back into the past to play the blame game. What is Jackass Granger doing to create employment in Guyana? How many investors took up his call to invest in Guyana?  What are the plans? He is now telling buckman to go do farming and sell peanut butter.  

Answer is straight.  Jagdeo told Lindeners to go find their own jobs.  He did NOTHING to bring employment to Linden.

What did Jagdeo do to bring employment to an area which had the densest concentration of skilled workers. Any export zone with special tax incentives?  NO!   Even the little cheap electricity you all were grudging the people for, even though BOSAI is the biggest beneficiary of this.

And yet now that Granger says the same you all jump and scream.

You see when it was "lazy black people" you didn't care.  Now you feel that Indians might suffer now you do!

Nonsense, the bauxite industry was running at a loss. The fall out was Lindeners losing their jobs, just like the fallout from the rice/sugar industry. Jagdeo gave them computer classes and aid, to the extent that Black Lindeners called him the father of the nation.  Now you claim that govt should not be running industry, so how was Jagdeo responsible for providing them jobs?  Now we see today Jackass Granger telling the buck people to become self employed. 

FM

They might not admit it but there is a faction within AFC/PNC which is anti business. They have led the anti business agenda by accusing businesses of drug dealing etc and set up SARU to intimidate and harass businesses.

It cost them. I have spoken with businesses who have admitted that business is very bad. They do not want to take risks.

Granger's son in law does not understand how to attract businesses and is incapable of doing so.

AFC/PNC must attract and encourage private businesses to open up new businesses and start hiring more Guyanese. They appear to be sitting on their hands, they appear clueless.

They need to understand that they must create an atmosphere of business confidence which is lacking, they are sending mixed signals.

The PSC has been treated as a state enemy by these clowns. The PSC should be encouraged and be allowed to participate in financial decision making and budgeting.

Harmon is a power grabber and control freak and his arrogance is hurting the coalition and young Guyanese who need jobs. Granger appears to be  unable to take on Harmon or is just not interested in addressing this serious problem affecting the economy.

Private businesses are the engine of economic growth. The government only needs to create the right environment and policies to encourage private businesses.

Granger cannot promote youths selling plantain chips and soft drinks and call that economic progress.

Afro Guyanese are suffering the most and the PNC stands the most to lose right now. AFC is just as clueless.

FM
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Drugb posted:
caribny posted:
 

Nonsense, the bauxite industry was running at a loss. The fall out was Lindeners losing their jobs, just like the fallout from the rice/sugar industry. Jagdeo gave them computer classes and aid,

What does a computer class do if they arent any jobs.  Weren't you the one screaming that Guyana cannot support IT?  You wanted them to establish the same IT operations that you claim that you cannot?

Indians called Burnham God too, so if you base your opinion on one or two people looking for soup you are an idiot.

Why don't you factor in the reality and that is the increase in Region 10 votes last year accounted for almost 90% of APNU AFCs margin of victory.  So clearly the vast majority of Region 10 consider the PPP to be a bunch of racist hyenas.

Sugar industry is losing money yet all of you brown KKK scream and wail if Granger tries to lay off any workers.  Look at how your hero ran around screaming "black man a starve ahbe", even though its his incompetence which has Guysuco in this state.

FM
yuji22 posted:

They might not admit it but there is a faction within AFC/PNC which is anti business. They have led the anti business agenda by accusing businesses of drug dealing etc and set up SARU to intimidate and harass businesses.

It cost them. I have spoken with businesses who have admitted that business is very bad. They do not want to take risks.

Granger's son in law does not understand how to attract businesses and is incapable of doing so.

AFC/PNC must attract and encourage private businesses to open up new businesses and start hiring more Guyanese. They appear to be sitting on their hands, they appear clueless.

They need to understand that they must create an atmosphere of business confidence which is lacking, they are sending mixed signals.

The PSC has been treated as a state enemy by these clowns. The PSC should be encouraged and be allowed to participate in financial decision making and budgeting.

Harmon is a power grabber and control freak and his arrogance is hurting the coalition and young Guyanese who need jobs. Granger appears to be  unable to take on Harmon or is just not interested in addressing this serious problem affecting the economy.

Private businesses are the engine of economic growth. The government only needs to create the right environment and policies to encourage private businesses.

Granger cannot promote youths selling plantain chips and soft drinks and call that economic progress.

Afro Guyanese are suffering the most and the PNC stands the most to lose right now. AFC is just as clueless.

There may actually be some truth in this.

Having said that sections of the private sector in Guyana are very corrupt, and this is why Guyana hasn't developed a robust economy.  Too much in highly speculative activities, much aimed at money laundering.  That being the PPPs idea of development, shopping malls and empty multi story buildings.

So as usual there is blame to go around both sides.

Big problem with your analysis is with Jagdeo running saying that WE will take back Guyana for OUR people, he just reminded folks why they booted him out in the first place.  He just has no respect nor regard for any one who isn't a PPP supporter. 

So Granger isn't losing too much sleep, but he will if the PPP were to dump Jagdeo.  And if the PPP begins to see themselves as being some thing other than a "coolie people party, aiming to mobilize their East Indian support base".

FM
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caribny posted:
Bibi Haniffa posted:
caribny posted:
Bibi Haniffa posted:

Jagdeo will give this man a nervous breakdown.

Jagdeo must be having a mental break down as he screams that he will take back Guyana for Indians.

Now if Jagdeo said that self employment was good enough for Linden, then you should agree with Granger that it is good enough for all of Guyana!

You lying ra$$.  Jagdeo never said that. 

So what did Jagdeo do to create jobs in Linden when HIS ACTIONS caused instant unemployment for 3,000 people.

And yes after he had his free concert in 2011 and Lindeners still refused to vote PPP FreeDUMB House was full of accusations that blacks are ungrateful.  I guess they should have voted for the people who threw them on the breadline merely because they got a free concert.

BJ could not change the global dynamics regarding Bauxite.  Black people like mining work, and as with Manganese, things change.  This is the risk with such industries.  BJ brought about the boom in gold which employed lots of Blacks!  Maybe oil will come and save the day for Blacks!  If not, they can always hop on a plane and come to Brooklyn!!!

FM
ba$eman posted:
.  BJ brought about the boom in gold

No global commodity markets did.   And in fact there were two TV programs showing US goldminers in Guyana that your stupid PPP brought in. They then proceeded to damn Guyana as a corrupt hell hole some thing akin to the Congo (DRC). 

This was under the PPP, which boasted that Guyana was getting exposure. No wonder Janet had to send the lot of them to learn etiquette.  A truer set of simpletons would have been difficult to find.

In fact even as prices are lower foreign companies are still coming to Guyana.  This because their greater access to capital and economies of scale allow them to profit even though gold is well off its peak.

FM

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