Informative presentations by both sides at the impeachment hearings.

One more support gained to bring the current total to 56 - 44 votes.

Highly unlikely that the final total will be 67 - 33 votes for impeachment.

I see there are 6 Republican Senators who will be looking for jobs elsewhere soon! McConnell, no old fool he, knows what he could expect.if he votes for impeachment! Jamie Raskin? Another damn.fool! "fight like hell", though impolitic, could be interpreted the wrong way, as Trump's lawyers might remind the DumbocRATS! They assume the voters were highly intelligent instead of highly indignant!

The Democrats impeachment of Trump is like the PPP firing black people. All that they are doing is hurting themselves.

@Prashad posted:

The Democrats impeachment of Trump is like the PPP firing black people. All that they are doing is hurting themselves.

How many blacks the PPP fired? Those that were fired deserved it. The PPP never fired any civil servants. They fired political hacks who didn't do their jobs. 

@Ramakant-P posted:

How many blacks the PPP fired? Those that were fired deserved it. The PPP never fired any civil servants. They fired political hacks who didn't do their jobs.

You may be right, Mr. Kant! If the Civil Service is still as strong as I remember it! But Prash might be right about the DemocRATS! Let's wait and see where Biden leads America!

@Former Member posted:

You may be right, Mr. Kant! If the Civil Service is still as strong as I remember it! But Prash might be right about the DemocRATS! Let's wait and see where Biden leads America!

You are sidetracking the discussion. Is it a glide?

@Ramakant-P posted:

You are sidetracking the discussion. Is it a glide?

Only if you are slipping in YOUR sh*t!

Over 120 anti-Trump Republicans discussing forming new political party: sources

Dozens of former Republican officials, who view the party as unwilling to stand up to former U.S. President Donald Trump and his attempts to undermine U.S. democracy, are in talks to form a center-right breakaway party, four people involved in the discussions told Reuters.

The early stage discussions include former elected Republicans, former officials in the Republican administrations of Ronald Reagan, George H.W. Bush, George W. Bush and Trump, ex-Republican ambassadors and Republican strategists, the people involved say.

More than 120 of them held a Zoom call last Friday to discuss the breakaway group, which would run on a platform of “principled conservatism,” including adherence to the Constitution and the rule of law — ideas those involved say have been trashed by Trump.

The plan would be to run candidates in some races but also to endorse center-right candidates in others, be they Republicans, independents or Democrats, the people say.

Evan McMullin, who was chief policy director for the House Republican Conference and ran as an independent in the 2016 presidential election, told Reuters that he co-hosted the Zoom call with former officials concerned about Trump’s grip on Republicans and the nativist turn the party has taken.

Three other people confirmed to Reuters the call and the discussions for a potential splinter party, but asked not to be identified.

Among the call participants were John Mitnick, general counsel for the Department of Homeland Security under Trump; former Republican congressman Charlie Dent; Elizabeth Neumann, deputy chief of staff in the Homeland Security Department under Trump; and Miles Taylor, another former Trump homeland security official.

The talks highlight the wide intraparty rift over Trump’s false claims of election fraud and the deadly Jan. 6 storming of the U.S. Capitol. Most Republicans remain fiercely loyal to the former president, but others seek a new direction for the party.

The House of Representatives impeached Trump on Jan. 13 on a charge of inciting an insurrection by exhorting thousands of supporters to march on the Capitol on the day Congress was gathered to certify Democrat Joe Biden’s election victory.

Call participants said they were particularly dismayed by the fact that more than half of the Republicans in Congress – eight senators and 139 House representatives – voted to block certification of Biden’s election victory just hours after the Capitol siege.

Most Republican senators have also indicated they will not support the conviction of Trump in this week’s Senate impeachment trial.

“Large portions of the Republican Party are radicalizing and threatening American democracy,” McMullin told Reuters. “The party needs to recommit to truth, reason and founding ideals or there clearly needs to be something new.”

‘Come together’

Asked about the discussions for a third party, Jason Miller, a Trump spokesman, said: “These losers left the Republican Party when they voted for Joe Biden.”

A representative for the Republican National Committee referred to a recent statement from Chairwoman Ronna McDaniel.

“If we continue to attack each other and focus on attacking on fellow Republicans, if we have disagreements within our party, then we are losing sight of 2022 (elections),” McDaniel said on Fox News last month.

“The only way we’re going to win is if we come together,” she said.

McMullin said a plurality of those on last week’s Zoom call backed the idea of a breakaway, national third party. Another option under discussion is to form a “faction” that would operate either inside the current Republican Party or outside it.

Names under consideration for a new party include the Integrity Party and the Center Right Party. If it is decided instead to form a faction, one name under discussion is the Center Right Republicans.

Members are aware that the U.S. political landscape is littered with the remains of previous failed attempts at national third parties.

“But there is a far greater hunger for a new political party out there than I have ever experienced in my lifetime,” one participant said.

(Reporting by Tim Reid; Additional reporting by Jarrett Renshaw; Editing by Soyoung Kim and Peter Cooney)

Guyana's prosecutors should take note of Trump's trial when they try Lowenfield, Mingo, and Myers for tampering and trying to steal the ballots., giving a false tally of the recount.

Wait until those Islamic wall nuts start blowing up the place again. Then you will see how fast they will run back to Trump.

@Prashad posted:

Wait until those Islamic wall nuts start blowing up the place again. Then you will see how fast they will run back to Trump.

White Arabs right? You are such a shithead.

Well organized with pointed issues that precipitated the trial.

Interesting to see what what the presenters for Donald Trump will provide in the next two days. Their introductory presentations were uncoordinated and strayed from the issues of the trial.

In the end, it will be seen what the eventual votes will be in the Senate.

You can predict the outcome.  The Republicans will vote not to convict  Trump, they are scared of the defeated president.  Would he want to run in 2024?

The issues for impeachment trials for Bill Clinton and Andrew Johnson were far less different that those for Donald Trump.

Andrew Johnson was impeached for violating the Tenure of Office Act which had/has the power to prevent a president to remove a federal appointed person without the consultation of the Senate.

Bill Clinton was impeached for lying to investigators regarding Monica Lewinsky plus obstructing justice by encouraging staff to deny the issues.

For both Andrew Johnson and Bill Clinton the Senate did not obtain the 67 votes to impeach them.

The issues for Donald Trump are far more serious than those for Andrew Johnson and Bil Clinton; as outlined in the current Senate proceedings.

Eventually, it will be seen if there will be a minimum of 67 Senators to impeach Donald Trump.

@kp posted:

You can predict the outcome.  The Republicans will vote not to convict  Trump, they are scared of the defeated president.  Would he want to run in 2024?

You've got a point when you say they are scared of the defeated President!

@Former Member posted:

The issues for impeachment trials for Bill Clinton and Andrew Johnson were far less different that those for Donald Trump.

Andrew Johnson was impeached for violating the Tenure of Office Act which had/has the power to prevent a president to remove a federal appointed person without the consultation of the Senate.

Bill Clinton was impeached for lying to investigators regarding Monica Lewinsky plus obstructing justice by encouraging staff to deny the issues.

For both Andrew Johnson and Bill Clinton the Senate did not obtain the 67 votes to impeach them.

The issues for Donald Trump are far more serious than those for Andrew Johnson and Bil Clinton; as outlined in the current Senate proceedings.

Eventually, it will be seen if there will be a minimum of 67 Senators to impeach Donald Trump.

How does 'fight like hell' equate with go vandalize the Capitol?

Trump has a history of inciting political violence, Democrats argue at impeachment proceedings

Donald Trump has a years-long pattern of inciting political violence, Democratic lawmakers argued at his impeachment proceedings, and remains a threat to democracy who could provoke a repeat of the Jan. 6 Capitol riot unless he is convicted and barred from running for office again.

Closing their case on the third day of the former U.S. president’s trial before the Senate, the Democratic members of Congress, serving as prosecutors, tried to show that the mob believed they were storming the Capitol “at the president’s orders” to overturn his election loss to Joe Biden.

And they contended that not holding Mr. Trump responsible would open the door for him or other politicians to use political violence to get their way.

“What makes you think the nightmare with Donald Trump and lawbreaking and violent mobs is over?” said Maryland Congressman Jamie Raskin, the lead impeachment manager. “If you don’t find this a high crime and misdemeanor … you have set a terrible new standard for presidential misconduct in the United States of America.”

The Senate is unlikely to convict Mr. Trump, which would require 17 members of his still-loyal Republican caucus breaking ranks to vote against him. But the Democrats have used the trial, including hours’ worth of harrowing video, to create a comprehensive public record of the riot and tie Mr. Trump’s incendiary political rhetoric to it, in the very Senate chamber that the mob overran that day.

The former president’s legal team is set to start its defence presentation on Friday. He faces a single count of incitement of insurrection over the first breach of the Capitol since the War of 1812.

The Democrats on Thursday depicted the riot as the culmination of a violent history going back to the 2016 election campaign. They showed video of Mr. Trump’s supporters beating up protesters at his rallies, intercut with clips of Mr. Trump encouraging them. In one, Mr. Trump told supporters to “knock the crap out of” protesters and promised to pay any resulting legal fees.

They also showed Mr. Trump praising Greg Gianforte, now Montana’s governor, for body-slamming a reporter in 2017; arguing that there were “very fine people” among a violent mob of white supremacists in Charlottesville, Va.; and musing that “maybe it wasn’t” a problem that Michigan militia members had planned to kidnap the state’s governor last year.

In one video montage shown at trial, rioters repeatedly asserted that Mr. Trump had told them to storm the Capitol. “We are listening to Trump – your boss,” a member of the mob told police. “Trump sent us. He’ll be happy,” said one rioter as he livestreamed himself breaking into a legislator’s office. “We were invited here by the president of the United States,” another man shouted.

“The whole intrusion was at the president’s orders,” said Congresswoman Diana DeGette of Colorado. “The president told them to be there.”

Ahead of the riot, Mr. Trump called on supporters to come to Washington for a “wild” time. Then, at a rally that morning, he urged people to descend on the Capitol to “show strength.”

Congressman Joaquin Castro of Texas read out Justin Trudeau’s comments on the riot – the Prime Minister described it as “an assault on democracy” that was “incited” by Mr. Trump – to argue that the U.S.’s international democratic reputation was at stake.

“The world is watching, and wondering if we are what we say we are,” Mr. Castro said. “To fail to convict a president of the United States who incited a deadly insurrection would be to forfeit the power of our example as a north star on freedom, democracy, human rights and, most of all, on the rule of law.”

Alabama Republican Senator Tommy Tuberville revealed Wednesday night for the first time that he informed Mr. Trump that then-vice-president Mike Pence was in danger during the early stages of the riot. But Mr. Trump continued to attack Mr. Pence on Twitter for not helping him overturn the election.

“I said ‘Mr. President, they just took the vice-president out, I’ve got to go,’ ” Mr. Tuberville told the news website Politico.

The Democrats warned that Mr. Trump’s complete lack of remorse for his actions that day made him a continuing danger if he is not barred from mounting a comeback attempt in 2024.

“I’m afraid he’s going to run again and lose,” said Ted Lieu, a Congressman from California. “Because he can do this again.”

The last paragraph reads wrong.

I would like to see more Republicans with morals, standing with the Democrats but given what I've seen with this pathetic group of sleezballs they are not worthy of the position they hold, they are as we say, morally bankrupt, they will more than likely give trump a pass again.

@cain posted:

The last paragraph reads wrong.

I would like to see more Republicans with morals, standing with the Democrats but given what I've seen with this pathetic group of sleezballs they are not worthy of the position they hold, they are as we say, morally bankrupt, they will more than likely give trump a pass again.

I think the DemocRATS have more do-nothing sleezeballs in Congress than the Republicans per square inch! You don't know their connections to Zionist Israel, the country they really owe allegiance to, through blackmail!

@Hugh Jorgan posted:

White Arabs right? You are such a shithead.

I may be a shithead to you but you have to be more blind than Ray Charles, Jose Felicano and Stevie Wonder combined not to see that it is white Arabs with their brown and black servants that are blowing up the places.

Senate Votes to Acquit Donald Trump

Guilty - 57 .... 53 - Not Guilty

The threshold of 67 votes for conviction was not obtained.

Chuck Schumer provided a focused presentation on the issues.

Mitch McConnell provided a double standard approach by voting to acquit Donald Trump while providing harsh criticisms of Donald Trump's actions on the core issues for the trial.

He can still be tried  in criminal  court.

Chuck was powerful, Mitch was a wimp, a feeble and impotent crappo.  

@kp posted:

He can still be tried  in criminal  court.

Correct KP ...

Many issues will be pursued/continued at the state levels since they were held in abeyance while he was in office for the past four years.

@Former Member posted:

Senate Votes to Acquit Donald Trump

Guilty - 57 .... 53 - Not Guilty

The threshold of 67 votes for conviction was not obtained.

Chuck Schumer provided a focused presentation on the issues.

Mitch McConnell provided a double standard approach by voting to acquit Donald Trump while providing harsh criticisms of Donald Trump's actions on the core issues for the trial.

Schumer is a Zionist Jew and he knows what Trump would have been up to if he had won the elections, his Jewish son-in-law notwithstanding!

@Former Member posted:

Correct KP ...

Many issues will be pursued/continued at the state levels since they were held in abeyance while he was in office for the past four years.

Or so you hope, DG! Maybe we should focus on Jagdeo and where he's aiming to take Guyana!

Wait a minute! Are you in the US?

Only in America 43  is greater than 57.

In Guyana, 32 is greater than 33 according to the Coalition crooks.

@Ramakant-P posted:

Only in America 43  is greater than 57.

In Guyana, 32 is greater than 33 according to the Coalition crooks.

Dint I admit de PPP teeves smartuh dan de kolishun teeves? Dem kolishun fules kant teef lyke kaincuttah coolie! Munee afekt dem matz! Blaim Witless Willee!