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Originally Posted by Stormborn:
 

You are too engrossed in ethnic politics

Can you cite what aspect of Guyanese politics that doesn't have an ethnic component to it?  Even the class component employs an ethnic aspect to ensure that the specific group gets what it wants. 

 

The AFC has within it all the tensions that the PPP had in 1954.

 

Please describe a scenario where Nigel Hughes will agree to Nagamootoo bringing down the coalition by attempting to take the 12 AFC seats, basically handing power back to the PPP?

 

Not going to happen!  You see the very communication which occurs daily between the Minister of Governance (Trotman) and the President will ensure that the G/town AFC wing remains happy. They are doing far better than they would EVER do under a PPP regime!

FM
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Originally Posted by Shaitaan:
Originally Posted by VVP:
Originally Posted by Shaitaan:
Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by VVP:
Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by VVP:
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He is a Minister who is not in the cabinet.  Meaning he is a small fry. Since when Presidential Advisors have more clout than Cabinet Ministers? President Advisors are usually highly specialized in specific fields.  

He is a minister in the Ministry of the Presidency, which means that he is closer to the seat of REAL power.

 

Cabinet only has as much power as the president gives it.

Carry on clown.  You and Shaitaan can teach each other.

The only one who is looking like a clown is YOU.  You don't even know Politics 101.  Politics is about POWER, and one always ensures that one has more of one's loyalists in positions of power.

 

Ramjattan/Nagamootoo are outnumbered in all aspects of the AFC within the coalition government.

 

Doan be suh hard on dis bai. He is wan self-described "town coolie" wid MPA

 

FYI...the duncest member of my maternal brood walks around with MPA.

What about BE, ME and PE day gat dat too 

 

Obviously it qualifies you to be a NY civil servant. Hardly the best and brightest of NY State. I know plenty of my duncest laziest friends of all colors and backgrounds on the state payroll.

 

Dude, you must be some first generation come to see coolie for you to harp on these things so much when your posts clearly demonstrate that you lack even the basic intellectual framework to talk to anyone here but Pavi. And even Pavi is occasionally given to intelligent posts. You can copy and paste the Succession List to show us how power is distributed in the U.S. Obviously you know nothing of politics, American or Guyanese.

Public servant for life bai.  I can make three time as much in the private sector as my counterparts that have much less qualifications.  This is one coolie that doesn't chase the US$.  I gat enough.

FM
Originally Posted by VVP:
Originally Posted by Shaitaan:
Originally Posted by VVP:
Originally Posted by Shaitaan:
Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by VVP:
Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by VVP:
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He is a Minister who is not in the cabinet.  Meaning he is a small fry. Since when Presidential Advisors have more clout than Cabinet Ministers? President Advisors are usually highly specialized in specific fields.  

He is a minister in the Ministry of the Presidency, which means that he is closer to the seat of REAL power.

 

Cabinet only has as much power as the president gives it.

Carry on clown.  You and Shaitaan can teach each other.

The only one who is looking like a clown is YOU.  You don't even know Politics 101.  Politics is about POWER, and one always ensures that one has more of one's loyalists in positions of power.

 

Ramjattan/Nagamootoo are outnumbered in all aspects of the AFC within the coalition government.

 

Doan be suh hard on dis bai. He is wan self-described "town coolie" wid MPA

 

FYI...the duncest member of my maternal brood walks around with MPA.

What about BE, ME and PE day gat dat too 

 

Obviously it qualifies you to be a NY civil servant. Hardly the best and brightest of NY State. I know plenty of my duncest laziest friends of all colors and backgrounds on the state payroll.

 

Dude, you must be some first generation come to see coolie for you to harp on these things so much when your posts clearly demonstrate that you lack even the basic intellectual framework to talk to anyone here but Pavi. And even Pavi is occasionally given to intelligent posts. You can copy and paste the Succession List to show us how power is distributed in the U.S. Obviously you know nothing of politics, American or Guyanese.

Public servant for life bai.  I can make three time as much in the private sector as my counterparts that have much less qualifications.  This is one coolie that doesn't chase the US$.  I gat enough.

 

Understand something chap. Engineering qualifications qualify you in engineering. Nothing else. When it comes to engineering, I would not lecture you in that because I know nothing about it.

 

However, you insist on lecturing people here, some who have actual experience in government (the political sections) and other relevant fields. Also, others who are simply well read in the various disciplines in question.

 

Now, can we disagree on an analytical point? Sure. We do all the time here. But you insist on betraying an absolute ignorance (teen white girl level) of these matters and yet insist on the absolute rightness of your posts when even a freshman liberal arts major would not make some of these blatant and gross errors you make. Like your citation of the relevance of the Presidential line of Succession. That's only relevant to the Presidential Succession. Nothing else. In your mind, Strom Thurmond must have been one of the most powerful men in America for decades into his 102 year life when he occupied the President Pro Tempore chair.

 

Politics and government is about theory and practice. You clearly have little knowledge of both. I don't think you know what a social contract is. Nor do I think you know what the precise system of government is in Guyana beyond wiki.

 

Do you even know who Alexis de Tocqueville is?

FM
Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by Stormborn:
 

You are too engrossed in ethnic politics

Can you cite what aspect of Guyanese politics that doesn't have an ethnic component to it?  Even the class component employs an ethnic aspect to ensure that the specific group gets what it wants. 

 

The AFC has within it all the tensions that the PPP had in 1954.

 

Please describe a scenario where Nigel Hughes will agree to Nagamootoo bringing down the coalition by attempting to take the 12 AFC seats, basically handing power back to the PPP?

 

Not going to happen!  You see the very communication which occurs daily between the Minister of Governance (Trotman) and the President will ensure that the G/town AFC wing remains happy. They are doing far better than they would EVER do under a PPP regime!

You and I have argued this dozens of times. Doing the right thing has little to do with who is what race or who are culturally disposed to what. Everything good thing also has an ethic relevance because no person want to be known for being an ass and partaking in what are bad strategies and it is the reason for acting. It is not to address ethnic concerns specifically.

 

My point is if a man knows the outcome of his life and that it will be good he has no incentive to act contrary to it unless he is a moron. One does not cater to morons but to what is prudent, safe and just. It is the same for everyone.

FM
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Banna Shaitaan I work in Government.  I know how government runs.  The Chief of Staff is never considered more powerful in the USA that a Secretary of State, for example.  The Chief of Staff is just a high level appointed secretary to the President of the USA.  You are a political dunce and it shows clearly here.

 

By the way, do you know what's involved in studying for an MPA?  You study government at all levels also.

FM
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Originally Posted by VVP:

Banna I work in Government.  I know how government runs.  The Chief of Staff is never considered more powerful in the USA that a Secretary of State, for example.  The Chief of Staff is just a high level appointed secretary to the President of the USA.  You are a political dunce and it shows clearly here.

 

You work in the non-political section of a government department as a technocrat. Not quite the same as working "in government."

 

I guess every civil servant is now an expert in government since the receive a paycheck from DiNapoli.

 

Political dunce? me?

FM
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Originally Posted by Shaitaan:
Originally Posted by VVP:

Banna I work in Government.  I know how government runs.  The Chief of Staff is never considered more powerful in the USA that a Secretary of State, for example.  The Chief of Staff is just a high level appointed secretary to the President of the USA.  You are a political dunce and it shows clearly here.

 

You work in the non-political section of a government department as a technocrat. Not quite the same as working "in government."

 

I guess every civil servant is now an expert in government since the receive a paycheck from DiNapoli.

 

Political dunce? me?

Not strictly a technocrat only.  The job takes into effect how people lives are affected also.  

 

I edited my above post to add this:

Do you know what's involved in studying for an MPA?  You study government at all levels also.

FM
Originally Posted by VVP:
Originally Posted by Shaitaan:
Originally Posted by VVP:

Banna I work in Government.  I know how government runs.  The Chief of Staff is never considered more powerful in the USA that a Secretary of State, for example.  The Chief of Staff is just a high level appointed secretary to the President of the USA.  You are a political dunce and it shows clearly here.

 

You work in the non-political section of a government department as a technocrat. Not quite the same as working "in government."

 

I guess every civil servant is now an expert in government since the receive a paycheck from DiNapoli.

 

Political dunce? me?

Not strictly a technocrat only.  The job takes into effect how people lives are affected also.  

 

I edited my above post to add this:

Do you know what's involved in studying for an MPA?  You study government at all levels also.

 

Dude,

 

I know what you do. You can get bytch slapped around by some low level political aides in the Assembly or Senate or some daag ketcha on the Governor's staff. The only thing you're trained in is how to please your political masters. And by your masters, I mean the political servants of this State's 212 mini gods in the legislature and the posse in the Executive Chamber.

 

As a 21 y/o junior political aide in the Assembly, I use to talk to your boss' boss. So i doubt you know how tings are run.

 

I didn't care about my accomplished cousin's MPA and I doan care about yours chap.

 

You know what we use to do with dem ranking PEF (for GNI: the public sector union who provides canvassers for the Democrats) chaps like you? We use to send ayuh rass to collect signatures for the party door to door on a Saturday and after work on weekdays

 

I wonder how many Assembly and Senate aides have made your bosses jump like how Burnham used to treat the Guyana civil service.

FM
Originally Posted by Shaitaan:
Originally Posted by VVP:
Originally Posted by Shaitaan:
Originally Posted by VVP:

Banna I work in Government.  I know how government runs.  The Chief of Staff is never considered more powerful in the USA that a Secretary of State, for example.  The Chief of Staff is just a high level appointed secretary to the President of the USA.  You are a political dunce and it shows clearly here.

 

You work in the non-political section of a government department as a technocrat. Not quite the same as working "in government."

 

I guess every civil servant is now an expert in government since the receive a paycheck from DiNapoli.

 

Political dunce? me?

Not strictly a technocrat only.  The job takes into effect how people lives are affected also.  

 

I edited my above post to add this:

Do you know what's involved in studying for an MPA?  You study government at all levels also.

 

Dude,

 

I know what you do. You can get bytch slapped around by some low level political aides in the Assembly or Senate or some daag ketcha on the Governor's staff. The only thing you're trained in is how to please your political masters. And by your masters, I mean the political servants of this State's 212 mini gods in the legislature and the posse in the Executive Chamber.

 

As a 21 y/o junior political aide in the Assembly, I use to talk to your boss' boss. So i doubt you know how tings are run.

 

I didn't care about my accomplished cousin's MPA and I doan care about yours chap.

 

You know what we use to do with dem ranking PEF (for GNI: the public sector union who provides canvassers for the Democrats) chaps like you? We use to send ayuh rass to collect signatures for the party door to door on a Saturday and after work on weekdays

 

I wonder how many Assembly and Senate aides have made your bosses jump like how Burnham used to treat the Guyana civil service.

Continue showing your absolute ignorance.  One thing I wouldn't get into is the power of the place I work for.  But you could do your research.  When last you look at your utility bill?  Do some research and tell me which aide we answer to.

FM
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Originally Posted by Stormborn:
 

You and I have argued this dozens of times. Doing the right thing has little to do with who is what race or who are culturally disposed to what. Everything good thing also has an ethic relevance because no person want to be known for being an ass and partaking in what are bad strategies and it is the reason for acting. It is not to address ethnic concerns specifically.

 

My point is if a man knows the outcome of his life and that it will be good he has no incentive to act contrary to it unless he is a moron. One does not cater to morons but to what is prudent, safe and just. It is the same for everyone.

Politics in Guyana is about ethnicity/culture, and about social class and geography.  There are NO ideological differences between the APNU, AFC and the PPP.

 

The power of the "idea" doesn't work in Guyana.  Raw political power does.  Face it the G/town faction of the AFC have way more in common with the segment of APNU which Granger represents. 

 

The Corentyne Coast represents a whole different equation in the mind set of these G/town elites.

 

If you are too naïve to see that any power which Nagamootoo had to control Granger has been blunted by real politics I cannot help you.  Suffice to say that the G/town elite faction of the AFC has seen their power enhanced by their involvement with APNU.  The Corentyne AFC has seen their power blunted, and until the constitution is changed to preclude the right of recall, 2 MPs wishing to leave the coalition will NOT bring it down, as they will simply be recalled.

 

To the extent that any friction occurs within the coalition, it will be between the Berbice AFC faction and APNU and its G/town AFC allies.  I cannot but help to think that Granger though ahead, anticipated that Moses cultists like Jay would pressure Nagamootoo, and ensured that he was protected against such an event.

 

Trotman is inside the Ministry of the presidency, with the responsibility for Governance, for a reason.

FM

VVP you will never win arguing with Ignorant Racist.

The Goatshit Issues from these funny fellas

are only targeting Moses, Ramjattan and AFC.

 

But Moses, Ramjattan & AFC do not have a problem

it is the flying Goatshit that have problems.....

following them around is just wasting your time.

 

 

Who do these Chaps speak for....

(1) PPP non-Kwame or House of Israel supporters?......

(2)PPP grass root supporters?

(3) PPP Rice Farmers & Cane Cutters?

(4) Mixed supporters in the PPP?

(5) PPP supporters who are not Racist?

 

(6) Decent Blacks in the PNC?

(7) Non -Blacks in the PNC?

(8) PNC grass root supporters?

(9) PNC Civil Servants, Bauxite or Security Workers?

(10) Mixed supporters in the PNC?

(11) PNC supporters who are not Racist?

(12) AFC Leaders who Broke away from PPP or PNC?

(13) AFC supporters now following the AFC Leaders

who broke away from PPP & PNC?

(14) AFC Youth Supporters who want nothing to do

with the PPP or PNC because of their Record and Past?

 

 

(15) Any WPA Supporters?

(16) Any Sharma Supporters?

(17) Any Amerindian Party Supporters?

(18) Any of the Other Small Party Supporters?

(19) Any Joey Jagan Supporters?

 

 

(20) ALL THE GUYANESE WHO VOTED FOR CHANGE?

 

(21) ALL THE GUYANESE WHO DREAM FOR AN END TO RACEISM,

AND WANT PEACE & HARMONY ......

LOVE & HARMONY IN GUYANA?

 

 

 

Moses is the Prime Minister of Guyana.

 

But......Goatshit flying all over....

Looking for lil attention....

 

Will we ever have a Goatshit ......

Mayor, Governor or President?

 

 

 

So....Who do these Chaps speak for....

FM
Originally Posted by caribny:
 

I await the Moses cultists to prove that Moses does indeed have strong administrative skills.

The Moses cultists seem unable to answer this question.

FM
Originally Posted by caribny:
APNU saw that the AFC couldn't get folks out to meetings in PPP strongholds as they lacked the organizational skills, or clout.  APNU didn't want to convey that the coalition didn't have support, so they got their folks out to the Corentyne, and so we saw this 90% African/mixed faces in these 70% Indo PPP strongholds.

 

Again APNU realized that Moses wasn't going to deliver the 11% PPP (Indian) vote which he had promised.  So they mounted an aggressive get out the vote campaign in all the PNC strongholds, getting even young grass roots males, who used to suck their teeth at the notion of voting.  APNU knew that it needed a mammoth PNC vote to offset the fact that Moses wasn't going to deliver his "11%" vote.

 

If APNU relied on Nagamootoo we would be seeing the sight of Harper  getting "sick" and resigning, with Jagdeo doing his "patriotic" duty of assuming the role of PM.

 

 

The Moses cult did raise significant amounts of money and they ought to be given credit for that.  I can now see why Jay and company are enraged as they thought that they bought themselves a new PPP II, using stupid black man to get them this power.

 

Now Moses is playing "nicey nicey", according to them.  The problem is that the same deficit in organizing, which forced APNU to rescue the AFC from having empty meetings in PPP strongholds (by getting their PNC supporters out to those events), might be apparent in Nagamootoo's inability to administer a complex number of ministries (15 of them with 23 ministers).

 

That might well be why we hear more from Harmon than we do from Nagamootoo.  That might also be why Moses is playing "nicey nicey".  Maybe he is just not up to the complex administrative tasks which are being demanded of him, and needs to be "rescued" again.

 

I await the Moses cultists to prove that Moses does indeed have strong administrative skills.

caribny, this is rale funny shyte

 

u have truly lost your way

FM
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Originally Posted by redux:
Originally Posted by caribny:
APNU saw that the AFC couldn't get folks out to meetings in PPP strongholds as they lacked the organizational skills, or clout.  APNU didn't want to convey that the coalition didn't have support, so they got their folks out to the Corentyne, and so we saw this 90% African/mixed faces in these 70% Indo PPP strongholds.

 

Again APNU realized that Moses wasn't going to deliver the 11% PPP (Indian) vote which he had promised.  So they mounted an aggressive get out the vote campaign in all the PNC strongholds, getting even young grass roots males, who used to suck their teeth at the notion of voting.  APNU knew that it needed a mammoth PNC vote to offset the fact that Moses wasn't going to deliver his "11%" vote.

 

If APNU relied on Nagamootoo we would be seeing the sight of Harper  getting "sick" and resigning, with Jagdeo doing his "patriotic" duty of assuming the role of PM.

 

 

The Moses cult did raise significant amounts of money and they ought to be given credit for that.  I can now see why Jay and company are enraged as they thought that they bought themselves a new PPP II, using stupid black man to get them this power.

 

Now Moses is playing "nicey nicey", according to them.  The problem is that the same deficit in organizing, which forced APNU to rescue the AFC from having empty meetings in PPP strongholds (by getting their PNC supporters out to those events), might be apparent in Nagamootoo's inability to administer a complex number of ministries (15 of them with 23 ministers).

 

That might well be why we hear more from Harmon than we do from Nagamootoo.  That might also be why Moses is playing "nicey nicey".  Maybe he is just not up to the complex administrative tasks which are being demanded of him, and needs to be "rescued" again.

 

I await the Moses cultists to prove that Moses does indeed have strong administrative skills.

caribny, this is rale funny shyte

 

u have truly lost your way

CaribJ suffering

because Moses & Granger

gon Retire hid Idol -

"De Ole Black Racist Mayor & Thug"

FM

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