sure, sure . . . i guess that makes the poor chap absolutely deserving of a bullet in the head, rite?

some people are guided by primitive instinct, others by intelligence and reason

you are a tool

No, he did good, but he needs a decent funeral, not a state funeral.

You say the same, except being more intelligent, you say "PNC". 

You deliberately refuse to also include PPP, which is why I know that you aren't talking about the behavior of political parties, as they aren't different.

You are using "PNC" as a PC way of saying black people, even if you then try to deny it.  We peeped your card long time.

It isn't cobra who is the problem. We know that he is ignorant and illiterate because of British colonialism, and the intent of the PPP to keep Indian peasants backward.

It is people like YOU who rant about racial violence perpetuated by the PNC against Indians, without discussing PPP violence against blacks.  Your refusal to do so is noted and part of your ethnic chauvinism.

Shaitaan screamed that, because Indians are a weak group, douglarization will be the Indian Holocaust. He views didn't shift when it was pointed out to him that;

1.  Indians are the largest ethnic group in Guyana, by a wide margin.

2.  Indians are the economically dominant group.

3.  For these two reasons, for the forseeable future Indians will have stroing impact on Guyanese politics, even if APNU AFC wins.  If Granger tries to screw over Nagamootoo, and he quits, there will be no APNU gov't.

That is as good an assurance that you will get that Indians will not be excluded under this coalition.  I can assure you that this is way better than what blacks are getting from the PPP. I mean what will Elizabeth Harper be able to do.  No more than when the PPP excluded blacks, other then her, from meaningful roles in a Ministry where she was a very senior official.

Shaitaan accept a fact.  The best security that the Indian grass roots can have is a happy and contented African grass roots population.  The opposite also applies, as its the insecurity of the Indian grass roots which has burdened the African population with the PPP.

So Shaitaan learn to discuss Indian issues within the context of issues that impact other Guyanese!

This "PPP violence against Blacks" that you speak of. Let's be clear what you're referencing here because I've heard it a million times now and I think we're all speaking at cross-purposes. I ignore it because it sounds ridiculous and propagandistic.

You mean the extrajudicial killings of the Guyana Police Force? I haven't discussed it because it seems to be a separate issue related principally to the cowboy Guyana Police Force that prefers to shoot suspects rather than do paperwork. Yes I can totally agree that the Police force extrajudicially murders people (and I can take your word for it that the overwhelmingly majority of them may be Black). That is a serious problem but I don't really put it in the category of "race violence."  For the simple reason that I can't imagine Black Policemen are killing Blacks because they hate Blacks. I'm not deflecting here dude. It's just that your facts may be correct but your theory is all wrong.

Yes I mean killings by the police force. Are you sleeping?  How often have you not heard the PNC and others complain about police brutality?  And when this has happened, how often have you not heard the PPP rush to the defense of the police, claiming that they are doing their job?

That should indicate to you that the police force is NOT a black controlled organization.  It serves the PPP.  The PPP does nothing to stop them. They will not because they use the police and the GDF in the same way as Burnham did, in this case as a tool to intimidate black people. And so for these reasons it is PPP violence against blacks. 

Yes that "coolie party" called the PPP, which has appointed black stooges to do its bidding.

I'm gonna ignore your lies about Indian Holocaust. That's just classic Caribj. Make shyte up people never said or meant.

Also, on the highlighted portion this is not rocket science here. You are not Christopher Columbus either. I am perfectly aware of that which is why I have said ad nauseum that Blacks and Indians need a "just settlement" of all their issues. That the Indian Security Dilemma can only be solved simultaneously with the African Security Dilemma is the very foundation of my framework when it comes to Guyana. That you think you're alone in this realization is the height of arrogance.

That I do not proffer Shaitaan's Draft Proposal for Guyana is that I think Blacks can speak for themselves and are in a better position to do so. Which is why I talk to you. Have I ever once said that Black concerns are somehow illegitimate or based in fantasy?

On the contrary, I'm not Black so I try to not tell Black people what their problems are or what the solution is. I see my role is to listen and support where possible. Same with Amerindians. I'm gonna let Amerindians articulate their concerns and listen and support where possible.

Your cynicism about every Indian you talk to is appalling. The world is changing. Indians are changing too. Take notice.

1.  Explain again how you screamed that douglarization meant the end of Indians and Indian culture (which is basically claiming that it will cause an Indian Holocaust).

2.  Also explain why your constant attempt to deny/trivialize the role that the PPP/Indian elites play in ethnic exclusion of non Indians in Guyana.  You certainly don't do that when you rant about PNC treatment of Indians.  It is clear that you consider the role of the PNC in fomenting racism to be much worse than that of the PPP.

3.  You don't have to develop solutions for blacks.  You just need to stop screaming as if only Indians have problems in Guyana, and you do so because you make illogical rants about "nobody caring about Indian bodies".

Yes Indians are changing.  The Indians who are changing know that each Indian doesn't have some sort of obligation to the entire Indian population so can marry who they wish.  They also know that Indo Guyanese are part of the SAME nation in which Afro Guyanese, and others exist.  They are merely a sub group WITHIN that nation. Not a separate nation, warring against other nations for space in a piece of real estate called Guyana.

Sadly you aren't among this group who is.

This is probably why this issue appears to be ignored to you. It seems to get written into the Rickford Burke narrative of the PPP Indocracy killing Black males for the sheer joy killing Black people.

Can we not discuss this as the excess and murderous way of doing business of the Police Force?

Let me bring you a little into the Indian mind. We tend to view this as a Police issue. Not a PPP issue. Its kind of a stretch to call it "PPP violence against Blacks." You guys tend to lose your Indian audience when you place these extrajudicial murders in the hands of the PPP.

I'm surprised you don't see why people (especially Indians) don't blame the PPP for these extrajudicial killings. We blame the Police.

1.  Blacks protest and get shot.

2.  Indians burn down police stations and DO NOT get shot.

CASE CLOSED.  The police/GDF are headed by black PPP soup lickers who do as they are told.  The PPP wants to exclude blacks because they are seen as "PNC", so must be punished.

Of course you will always find excuses to defend PPP racism, while you scream about what the PNC did.  It is the SAME THING!  The fact that you fail to see this is what makes you a closet Indo KKK.  Yes YOU and Jay Bharat.

Indians can think what they wish.  The President is PPP.  He is in charge of the GDF.  The Minister of Home Affairs is PPP.  The police fall under his domain.

If either gentleman objected to what the police are doing they would take responsibility for it, and STOP it.  They don't, and in fact criticize the PNC for raising the issue of extrajudicial killings.

So the PPP takes full responsibility for the extrajudicial slaughter of so many blacks.

Seelall.  A Torturer.  Can you tell me what position he now has?

Motion to re-open dis case hey chap.

When the PPP is racist, you will find me there to condemn it. I just don't subscribe to your simplistic 2+2=22 analysis of Guyana. You are the flipside of the "coolieman good...blackman bad" theory of Guyana.

You have deliberately omitted the Indians who have been shot by the Guyana Police Force under the PPP's watch. Indians like Mohammed Shamshudeen at Albion was shot dead protesting crime peacefully. Shot dead by Black policemen. Was this evidence of "PPP violence towards Indians"?

I do find the extrajudicial murder of suspects to be a problem but I refuse to so cavalierly cast it in racial terms when the facts do not seem to support it. What you have is an overwhelmingly Black Police Force that seems to shoot and torture people regularly of all races except rich people.

Calling this another example of the Indocracy is pure intellectual laziness or flat out Rickfod Burke-type dishonesty.

dude, when u put your head in the sand, u really plant it deep

no doubt what you say about the "Indian mind" in this context is correct

but that does not make what they 'believe' true

why should Indo-Guyanese not accept this non-reality you clutch so tightly to your breast? . . . after all, the PPP and tribals like you have invested much time and effort mis-educating on these race issues

Albion in 2001 and Port Mourant in 2005 point to a PPP policy of maximum restraint and accommodation in Indian areas . . . not so much in Linden and such

but then again i am talking to a spear-carrying tribal operative selling the beyond absurd idea that an essentially powerless, beseiged Indo-Guyanese majority is under existential threat by an all-powerful Afro-Guyanese minority who control tings

smfh

Well then I can conclude that you don't think that the PPP is as guilty of racism as is the PNC, as you always scream about PNC racism. 

When exactly has the PPP been racist in your view.  And given that both Indians and Africans are equally polarized in their voting habits do you not concede that this is because they have suffered racism when their group wasn't in power?

So what of Roger Khan, who was proclaimed a PPP hero.  Among those killed included many who had no involvement in crime.  This was a low grade race war and "collateral damage" was excused, not investigated.

BTW blacks who have suffered extrajudicial killings have included people walking minding their business.  Blacks assaulted by the cops have included black priests and black old ladies.  Blacks and Amerindians have been tortured by the cops in a far higher frequency than was the case for Indians.

The PPP has engaged in racial violence with the same deadliness that the PNC has, and Crum Ewing is evidence of this.  It doesn't even matter that they probably paid some idiotic black man to pull the trigger.

Shaitaan will deny making that statement, even as he did make it often. Jay Bharrat also joined him on that as well.

That is a grotesque distortion of what I said. I was writing about the fundamentals of State power centers in a Third World State.

That Guyana seems to defy the basic laws of power relations for the moment does not render the theory invalid. Personally, I'm pretty stunned that the PPP has maintained power with such a deep reservoir of disaffected minorities who overwhelmingly people the security forces of the State. This may sound insensitive but I'm actually shocked that Afro-Guyanese are as easily bribed as their Indo-Guyanese counterparts. We may be moreso one people than I ever imagined.

You said that all Indians have control over is the presidency and of the cabinet, and that if the PPP loses they would lose every thing.

You forgot when you said that the GDF and GPF are weak entities, and so clearly not centers of black control.

You forgot to add that almost every single state controlled corporation, committee, or commission is headed by an Indian, or another non black.

You forgot how the PPP has manipulated the judiciary to do its bidding.

So really where are these centers of black dominance, and since when does a clerk demanding 1% of the bribe money that his Indian boss will, arise to black control.

Guyana remains an ethnocracy, much as it was 40 years ago under Burnham. Only thing different is the texture of the hair in terms of who dominates and who is dominated.

You cited evidence which suggested that the GDF is weak and unable to organize a coup against the PPP.  Especially when the top officers are all appointed by and loyal to the PPP.

Are you changing your story AGAIN?  This is why I must wonder about you.

That the GDF leadership chooses to be docile and pliant does not change the fact that the armed force of a third world nation, particularly one with a history of a partisan armed force, is always potentially a powerful actor within the state especially in relation to the elected civilian Government.

That is a fact around the world. Also, the GDF has only recently been tamed/bribed into submission. During the beginning of the Jagdeo Presidency they were barking orders to him or refusing orders as "unacceptable."

As weak as the GDF is, if it wanted to along with the Police Force it could bring significant pressure to bear down on the Government. The only thing they would need is the will which does not appear to be there at present. Lucky for the PPP, Guyanese Black and Guyanese Indos share an equal passion for cash, perks, and privilege.

i am not unwilling to accept what u say about the GDF is true . . . but, sadly, you are not the most credible 'witness' . . . being an inverterate LIAR and tribal con man and all

now, what exactly were the "orders" the GDF were refusing to follow as "unacceptable"?

and what exactly were the orders being "barked" at Jagdeo?

further, since this 'Black' 3rd world army was so powerful and recalcitrant, then, why didn't they stage a coup d'etat against the PPP?

btw, "possible" and "probable" are not interchangeable . . . they mean vastly different things

Agree that the PPP do not take care of the working poor but  the issue of one group being left behind has nothing to do with poor.

When last a balck contractor won a Government contract, let me change that when last a non Indian contractor / businessman awarded a substantail contract?

Complete nonsense.  Jagdeo ensured that those who headed the GDF were people who are loyal to him.  The GDF doesn't have a tradition of NCOs not following orders, so once the PPP controlled the head they controlled the body.

In fact rumors even existed that the GDF head at the time was one of Jagdeo's black husbands.

The fact remains that the GDF is NOT an independent entity which has the autonomy to act against the government.  Guyana is not a Latin American nation. 

Shaitaan as we speak Afro Guyanese HAVE NO POWER IN GUYANA!

It would have been very easy for the GDF to have done so during the Roger Khan reign of terror.  Yet they didn't.  Indeed brutalizing innocent people in Buxton was more in keeping with what the GDF and the police force wanted to do.

bullshit,they is a bunch of cowards,and house slaves without any brains 

This is pure unadulterated stuff coming from the mule's behind.