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FM
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“I pledge myself to honour always the flag of Guyana.” Liberty and Justice Party’s leader and then presidential candidate, Lenox Shuman saying Guyana’s National Pledge at the launch of his political party.

The leader of the Liberty and Justice Party (LJP), Lenox Shuman says by his actions, his candidacy is constitutional, and if the Guyana Elections Commission (GECOM) thinks otherwise, that elections management agency should go to the High Court for an order to remove him as a candidate.

Attorney-at-Law Kalam Yassin told the GECOM Chairman, Claudette Singh, that if GECOM feels that Mr Shuman is not qualified, his client does not have to do anything else. Instead, the lawyer says it is for GECOM to go the High Court and seek an order in keeping with the constitution.

“If the Guyana Elections Commission should feel that Mr Shuman is not qualified then the onus of proof is on the Commission. This is a case where the onus of proof has shifted to the Guyana Elections Commission and Mr Shuman does not have to do anything else,” Yassin told Singh.

Yassin, a former chief magistrate, stresses that there is no law or regulation that require Mr Shuman to do more than what he has done. He contends that GECOM will have to approach the High Court under Article 163 (1) (a).

Yassin argues that “there is no just, proper and legal reason” for GECOM not to include Shuman’s name on his LJP list of candidates as he has completed the irrevocable action to relinquish any allegiance, obedience or adherence to Canada.

Shuman, through his lawyer, has told the GECOM Chairman that before January 10 – Nomination Day – by his action, he had publicly stated that he was not a dual citizen and considered himself to be a citizen of Guyana.

Further, Mr Yassin says his client had on December 11, 2019, requested a renunciation of his Canadian citizenship to the Canadian High Commissioner to Guyana. The lawyer told the GECOM Chairman that Mr Shuman’s filing of the same document indicated his state of mind that he was formally renouncing his Canadian Citizenship and in so doing renouncing any acknowledgement of allegiance, obedience or adherence to Canada, which he may have previously done.

Mr Yassin informed the GECOM Chairman that Mr Shuman on January 29 met with the Canadian High Commissioner who told him that he is no longer a Canadian citizen. “My client had a meeting yesterday with the High Commission of Canada Mrs. Lilian Chatterjee and she affirmed that the renunciation of my client’s Canadian Citizenship on the 11th December, 2019 stands. She also assured my client that his renunciation of Citizenship was completed,” Shuman’s lawyer said.

The lawyer says the LJP leader wants to know whether Joseph Harmon,Volda Lawrence and Carl Greenidge, were asked to submit evidence in writing to GECOM, as to their relinquishment of their dual citizenship.

Harmon and Greenidge have publicly stated that they have successfully given up their American and British citizenships. Lawrence is not known to be a dual citizen.

https://demerarawaves.com/2020...o-prove-citizenship/

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I don’t think GECOM will take Shuman to court - the simple reason will come up that all parliamentarians or those that claimed to give up foreign citizenship and didn’t do so will be exposed. 
A private citizen should take Shuman to court and let shit hits the fan.

just me two cent 

FM

Foreign passport holders should be allowed to hold office. However, they should have returned and lived in Guyana for 5 years.  Too many good people left to preclude them from participating in Guyana’s development. 

FM
Baseman posted:

Foreign passport holders should be allowed to hold office.

However, they should have returned and lived in Guyana for 5 years.  Too many good people left to preclude them from participating in Guyana’s development. 

How can they have allegiance to two countries ? the 1980 Constitution states clearly regarding holding public office.

Django
Last edited by Django
Django posted:
Baseman posted:

Foreign passport holders should be allowed to hold office.

However, they should have returned and lived in Guyana for 5 years.  Too many good people left to preclude them from participating in Guyana’s development. 

How can they have allegiance to two countries ? the 1980 Constitution states clearly regarding holding public office.

Stupidness.  40% of Guyana population left.  They need to recognize this and adjust for this. 

FM
Baseman posted:
Django posted:
Baseman posted:

Foreign passport holders should be allowed to hold office.

However, they should have returned and lived in Guyana for 5 years.  Too many good people left to preclude them from participating in Guyana’s development. 

How can they have allegiance to two countries ? the 1980 Constitution states clearly regarding holding public office.

Stupidness.  40% of Guyana population left.  They need to recognize this and adjust for this. 

They left for their own reasons ,then took up Citizenship of the country resides. That's it , no public office as President ,Prime Minister, Minister of Government or Parliamentarians.

Django

The truth is that Shuman should shoulder the burden in proving that he has relinquished his Canadian citizenship but he may just be behaving lawless like the Coalition. Do fuh do nah obeah.

FM
Django posted:
Baseman posted:

Foreign passport holders should be allowed to hold office.

However, they should have returned and lived in Guyana for 5 years.  Too many good people left to preclude them from participating in Guyana’s development. 

How can they have allegiance to two countries ? the 1980 Constitution states clearly regarding holding public office.

They can return as Contract workers.

K
Django posted:
Baseman posted:
Django posted:
Baseman posted:

Foreign passport holders should be allowed to hold office.

However, they should have returned and lived in Guyana for 5 years.  Too many good people left to preclude them from participating in Guyana’s development. 

How can they have allegiance to two countries ? the 1980 Constitution states clearly regarding holding public office.

Stupidness.  40% of Guyana population left.  They need to recognize this and adjust for this. 

They left for their own reasons ,then took up Citizenship of the country resides. That's it , no public office as President ,Prime Minister, Minister of Government or Parliamentarians.

Many were ethnically cleansed by Burnham and the PNC.  I hope they modify to make it flexible for, at least, certain offices.  When the PPP is returned to power in March, they should address.

FM
Dave posted:

Shuman challenges GECOM to take him to court to prove citizenship

“I pledge myself to honour always the flag of Guyana.” Liberty and Justice Party’s leader and then presidential candidate, Lenox Shuman saying Guyana’s National Pledge at the launch of his political party.


Yassin, a former chief magistrate, stresses that there is no law or regulation that require Mr Shuman to do more than what he has done. He contends that GECOM will have to approach the High Court under Article 163 (1) (a).

Yassin argues that “there is no just, proper and legal reason” for GECOM not to include Shuman’s name on his LJP list of candidates as he has completed the irrevocable action to relinquish any allegiance, obedience or adherence to Canada.

Shuman, through his lawyer, has told the GECOM Chairman that before January 10 – Nomination Day – by his action, he had publicly stated that he was not a dual citizen and considered himself to be a citizen of Guyana.

https://demerarawaves.com/2020...o-prove-citizenship/

Making a public statement and the actual facts for the items are separate and individual issues.

All public information indicates that issues were discussed with appropriate Canada government agencies, but the actual issuance and presence of the pertinent documents are still unavailable.

FM
Baseman posted:
Django posted:
Baseman posted:
Django posted:
Baseman posted:

Foreign passport holders should be allowed to hold office.

However, they should have returned and lived in Guyana for 5 years.  Too many good people left to preclude them from participating in Guyana’s development. 

How can they have allegiance to two countries ? the 1980 Constitution states clearly regarding holding public office.

Stupidness.  40% of Guyana population left.  They need to recognize this and adjust for this. 

They left for their own reasons ,then took up Citizenship of the country resides. That's it , no public office as President ,Prime Minister, Minister of Government or Parliamentarians.

Many were ethnically cleansed by Burnham and the PNC.  I hope they modify to make it flexible for, at least, certain offices.  When the PPP is returned to power in March, they should address.

We are looking into that, there will be new amendments to that effect.

K
Bibi Haniffa posted:

Did Shuman not say that he has submitted his relinquishment papers to GECOM that’s why he will take them to court if they bar him from being a Presidential candidate?

Lennox Shuman admits he is still a dual citizen

FM
Last edited by Django
Baseman posted:
Django posted:
Baseman posted:
Django posted:
Baseman posted:

Foreign passport holders should be allowed to hold office.

However, they should have returned and lived in Guyana for 5 years.  Too many good people left to preclude them from participating in Guyana’s development. 

How can they have allegiance to two countries ? the 1980 Constitution states clearly regarding holding public office.

Stupidness.  40% of Guyana population left.  They need to recognize this and adjust for this. 

They left for their own reasons ,then took up Citizenship of the country resides. That's it , no public office as President ,Prime Minister, Minister of Government or Parliamentarians.

Many were ethnically cleansed by Burnham and the PNC.  I hope they modify to make it flexible for, at least, certain offices.  When the PPP is returned to power in March, they should address.

They didn't touch it in 23 yrs ,why would they do in the future ,Guyana is poised to become wealthy nation ,more value for the mafia crew. Unless the people revolt against the kleptocrats.

Django
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While I am no fan of Shuman, I feel that Canadians Who hold dual citizenship and being a member of the British Commonwealth should be able to run for office in Guyana. 
There should be an amendment to allow all Guyanese born citizens to run for office and sit in parliament. 
Failing to do so will result in the same old bottom house crew politicians in Guyana. 

FM
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I think that in fairness to Shuman, all candidates who are known in the public domai to have been dual citizens be required to prove that they have renounced their foreign citizenship. 

Also, my opinion is that dual citizens should not be allowed to rum for elections to Parliament or for the presidency. I cannot see how you can swear allegiance to two nations, regardless of how friendly the relations are between them currently.  

What I found troubling is that Shuman knew for some time that this was a requirement if he hopes to be  a candidate, but has only done so in December. 

Z
Zed posted:

I think that in fairness to Shuman, all candidates who are known in the public domai to have been dual citizens be required to prove that they have renounced their foreign citizenship. 

Also, my opinion is that dual citizens should not be allowed to rum for elections to Parliament or for the presidency. I cannot see how you can swear allegiance to two nations, regardless of how friendly the relations are between them currently.  

What I found troubling is that Shuman knew for some time that this was a requirement if he hopes to be  a candidate, but has only done so in December. 

Did you write this as a Guyanese or  as a Canadian?

Mitwah

I never really understand what LOL really means. I wonder if it about a joke at my expense or just a joke for both of us to laugh. Maybe, I have no sense of humour and have been too serious throughout my life. Have a good day.

Z

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