I think the salary should remain the same until they have begun to do real work not cosmetic stuff. It should not come five months into office with the administration still in assessing and formulating procedures. Get us new rice markets, recover our electric plant, arrest braqzzington, let us know what happened at the Marriott, with the lotto funds erc, quell t he noise problem, get us a dna lab, stop the stick up boys with roving police patrols... etc, 50K is 10 times the average earning power of the average guyanese. Plus, 50K is minus perks which tops up at another 25K since they get lots of tax relief and freebies as electricity, vehicles use. No They definitely do now warrant a salary increase having not earned it as yet. If they think they are paid too little, refuse the job. Lots of qualified people will fill it. These are party acolytes being rewarded as good foot soldiers and any pretenses that they are the best is crap

couldn't agree more

Thank you Stormy BUT getting that through THICK heads will be a problem!!!

my question was not about timing . . . we agree on that

 

it has to do with the notion bruited about here, in the Guyana press and sundry Opposition precincts that US$50,000 is an obscene and corrupt salary for a minister in the Guyana Gov't

 

which is why i asked for a number, not argument over work ethic, who's deserving, or achievement

Guyana dont use US dollars FOOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The US$50 K is not the only package. They get a lot of generous allowances: free trips, car allowance, new SUV, housing allowance, expense allowance for gas, domestic servants, gardener and a few more. Perhaps this brings them to close US$100K or just over. They are already in the Guyanese 1% or 2%. They should have taken the regular 5% for public servants, bring down the crime (they are doing the right policies here) and start the economic turnaround. They are rewarding themselves during an economic downturn.

I have seen the LIGHT.  Thank you Jesus!!!!!!!!!!!

Expense allowances, etc., come with the job and should not be counted as compensation

 

if you work in finance or law in New York, you get a limo to your door if you work late . . . the reason for 'perks' like this is to make sure that u are in a serviceable state for that important 9:00am meeting the next day, etc.

 

we can debate the colonial leftover shit like gardener and ting . . . however, that does not pay for your kid in college

Car, gas, electricity and housing are major perks that can be seen as part of the salary package and free up monies to send the kids to college. The college issue raises another matter: which college? I hope they will not be like the PPP that removed their kids from UG to send them to North America. When the elites remove themselves from public service you know what happens...

dude...I think We all know that...it's done for comparison purposes

Ow...the Guyana govt visa card gone...no more henny...he has to take cheap white rum...messing with his brain.

It is a DUMB comparison. Can you tell me the salary of an Accounts Clerk, Police Officer, Nurse, Chief Accountant, Head Master/N=Mistress?????????????

YOu slowly getting the SHIT out your head Mr SHIT Head!!!!!!!!!!!

Ow...it's very simple arithmetic if you would only do the research...ease off the cheap XM white...na man.  

Keep pumping the SHIT out your head. MAYBE one Day you will get ALL the SHIT out Mr SHIT head.

I would not be rude to you like Mr Kapadilla. Where is he, BTW?

It is not obscene or corrupt it is ill timed and the manner of its introduction and the reasons given are insulting and arrogant. Harmon is either an uber insensitive man or a dunce. I assume he was selected for his post having some demonstrable intellect so I take it he is insensitive an arrogant.

 

The number The salary I give is the one they applied for when seeking office. I am sure they would still be in the dog house if the said they will double their salary on entering office. Most of these fellows will also be heading agencies like NIS, NBS and sitting on various institutional and financial boards as the PPP ministers were so they will be augmenting their salaries hither tither.

Mind you, they have reformed nothing as yet. The constitutional commission is still being organized, they have no rules with respect to firewalls between their  private business and their office while in office. But all of this is outside the scope of your ask.

car, gas, driver, travel, communications, office, assistant and security are necessary expenses to be shouldered by the state that come with the portfolio of minister

 

housing, however, is a perk . . . what exactly is the housing allowance for a minister?

The housing allowance pays the mortgage expense or the rent. It is quite substantial.

I am sure the Chinese and the mining companies and the oil companies etc will be offering scholarships to their kith and kin. That is how it unfolds. I think this raise is not warranted at the moment and that it was instituted in the manner it was instituted does not bode well for us. It is the same arrogance and god mode tactic of the PPP and I for one am absolutely dejected and disgusted.

i'd like a number

Someone said it's a cap at G$200K/month.

dude, we don't disagree on the substance

 

most reasonable people see the dangers . . . but we need to restrain the urge to conflate wildly if we want to hold people properly accountable

let's add that to the US$50k

Indeed I speculated a lot but that is not meandering into fantasy. It has already happened to us...twice...greedy arrogant men stealing us blind while leaving our people destitute.  I am not in the habit of adoring "good" men or women. I seek after the productions of individuals given that they have executed the prerogatives of their offices well. These men did little to date in terms of work.

 

We know the scope and indeed it is ponderous. But they applied for it and was given it on existing terms to advance change for the better. As I said, the are still to do the heavy lift.

 

That these are quality persons deserving adequate compensation is understood. My point the were selected not on account of their quality for the job but their quality as good APNU_AFC foot soldiers. Note no one advertised for and  interviewed anyone for the jobs. They worked for their party to get it and saw it was a prosperous enterprise. To this point I see no one saying service to the people as good individuals perusing good social ends has value

A new SUV is also a big deal. I know a few years ago a semi-autonomous agency allowed for the purchase of this vehicle at a discount after 4 years. It's a rule on the book going back to the 1970s I was told. I don't have a problem with this...but it has to be seen as part of the pay package.

I think it should be done by peer group analysis of similarly situated countries.  This would give them a hefty DECREASE!

There should be a work to wage ratio.

THe PNC CRIMINALS are not interested in the WELFARE of the Guyanese People, they NEVER were and will never be.  It is all about themselves!!!!

What is the average annual pay of a civil servant in Guyana? In USD of course.

If you work late you get it, and if you over use it, some one will give you a call.  In addition you cannot use these cars routinely, nor can you use them for personal use.

 

Ministers have this 24/7 so it is a perk.  You know full well that these drivers are also used to carry family members, shopping, to school, etc.  And why not if the car and the driver will otherwise not be used.

 

Had the PPP come up with this last year, you would have been among the loudest screaming about this.  Supporting a party doesnt mean supporting all that they do. Even Ram came out against this.

 

And getting free housing, allowing them to rent out their homes, to further increase their compensation. GREAT.

 

Now I am not claiming that they shouldnt get the perks. I am saying that when one looks at the package the TOTAL cost should be considered. So the cost to rent a comparable home should be included in their compensation.  I wouldnt even demand that it be taxed.

I think it should be performance based, grow the economy and the % increase should be tied to this.

re:

 

[i] there is no authority on this; it's an experience/practice thing . . . any professional at Goldman or similarly situated financial house, or top 50 Big Law outfit can speak to the ubiquity and, most important, UTILITY of the Black Car culture - getting around town, getting to and from airports, etc. . . . it's not a perk! it's the way business gets done efficiently

 

[ii] the driver and car available 24/7 for a gov't minister is a NECESSARY state expense attached to the portfolio, much the same as 24/7 security provided by the police . . . stop the childish carping; this is political office we are talking about! you're probably gonna bawl next that Granger doesn't need a Presidential Guard or outriders and police escort when traveling around the country, smfh

 

[iii] indeed, if the PPP had come up with this last year, i would have taken them to the rack, not because $50,000 is rich, but because it would be rubbing taxpayers' noses in the dirt given the decade+ wholesale rape of the treasury by the jagdeo gang, including ministers who would be topping up the $US millions ripped off with official salary

separately, bleating that "Supporting a party doesnt mean supporting all that they do" to conjure up an impression of something heroic on your part compared to where i stand is an obvious joke that does not require any rebuttal from me . . . and, as i said, Chris Ram is a good man; i would even call him a great Guyanese, and i happen to disagree with his flawed analysis

 

[iv] as to "free" housing, i will suggest that that is an overstatement . . . TK provided a housing allowance figure of G$200k/month, which approximates slightly less than US$1000/month

i am reading a report of January this year that gives a much smaller figure of G$45k/month for Anil Nandlall while AG in the previous Gov't . . . somebody please check this

 

the colonial era allowances for gardeners, etc., exemptions from paying tolls, airport tax and the like should be immediately scrapped . . . they are vestigial, and only serve as target practice for those who want to keep our eyes off the ball

Expenses in the Private sector is a TAXABLE EXPENSE, in Guyana these are tax free expenses. Can't compare!!

idiot, the stuff i referenced above is NOT a taxable expense

 

think before u bray

Are you referring to using a company vehicle here or being paid a car allowance?

Magic happening - national unity being achieved on GNI.  Stormy and Nehru agreed for the FIRST TIME IN HISTORY.

 

 

THERE is a god.

 

i don't see what is unclear about my reference

 

i was talking about free car service to illustrate the UTILITY of such provisioning when people have important shit to do - a minister's 24/7 job, by definition, whether you agree or not