Gov’t and opposition should compromise on elections

Ally is correct in stating that Jagdeo and Granger should meet and fix a date for elections. Elections will not happen before March 20th so they need to agree on a date when it's feasible to hold them. While they are proposing an extension to the date for elections, they might as well cater for house to house registration and have a proper list for the elections. Get rid of all the dead people off the list and include all the young people who are now eligible to vote. It would be a travesty to hold elections and not have young people who have become eligible to vote within the last few years as a part of the process. You would be denying the new generation a chance to exercise their franchise. 

The government was stalling the process by trying to buy some time with going to court to test the validity of the NCV. Jagdeo is also now stalling the process because he can score some political points by stating that the Government is illegal if elections are not held by the deadline stipulated by the NCV.

Jagdeo is also stalling because of Irfaangate.  He hopes that people will eventually accept that President Dufus will be their only option, and if they dont vote "is blackman".

Mars, 

Saying that Jagdeo is now stalling is distorting the truth. Granger wants to stall and use the meeting with Jagdeo as another of his PR campaign. People ain’t that stupid.

I agree with some of what Mars stated but we need to get the facts straight:

The speaker of the house made it clear that the NCV stands.

The court ruled that the NCV stands and that the government should comply with the constitution and that ruling was VERY CLEAR.

Granger sent contradictory letters to GECOM. He is very deceitfuly.

GECOM is required to start preparing elections, in fact they should have already prepared a list by now. They are a constitutional and not a political body.

Jagdeo made it clear that that Granger needs to set a date for elections and then he can sit down to discuss the date. Granger is the one stalling here. Ally is also making that suggestion that a date has to be a part of the meeting.

In the name of transparency, if I were the opposition, I would agree to a list that should include new voters but this BS about dead people is just a terrible excuse. The birth and death registry can provide a list and it can be  easily cleaned up. GECOM needs to do their job and stop acting as an instrument of the PNC ! Anyway, one would expect that it can be cleaned up before elections. There is a reason why the claims and objection mechanism exists.

At this point, Guyana is headed into a period of constutional crisis. Granger can do the honourable thing and put forward a date for the election and to engage the leader of the opposition so that the issue of a final date and the voters list can be cleared up and agreed upon.  Two thirds of Parliament can then vote on agreed date and timeframe.

Personally, I would prefer to see a new voters list but the timeframe of the preparation should not exceed three months. In the meanwhile, the government must be not allowed to spend taxpayers monies to buy votes, that is to start a spending spree. 

All of these delays fall flatly on Granger and Williams.

As Guyanese, we can all agreed that transparency, compliance with the constitution and free and fair elections are vital to the future of our fragile democracy. PNC is setting a very bad example here.

Question for Americans, did you have to give up your Guyanese citizenship to accept American Citizenship ? Canadians are allowed to have dual citizenship due to the commonwealth. 

No MP should run for office is they have foreign citizenship as stipulated by the constitution until such time it is amended. We need to be reminded that it was the PNC which made this an issue.

It is patently obvious that Jagdeo is stalling his meeting with Granger to finalize a date for elections. He's forcing the meeting to decide an elections date to be called after the March 20 deadline expires so that he can point out that the Coalition is an illegal government. It's all in scoring political points going into the elections. To this end, he manufactured a crisis with the two letters issue when there was none. Even Ralph Ramkarran and the press called him out on it over the weekend. He had no proper answer when cornered by the press. He is wrong on the letters issue and he's now trying to use this as a reason not to meet with Granger. All a part of the stalling process. Both sides are stalling for different reasons.

Jagdeo is NOT stalling. Granger can set an election date as stipulated by the constitution and Jagdeo will sit down. Granger is behaving worse than a prostitute by violating the ruling of speaker, the constitution and courts. 

Yes, Granger sent two different letters to GECOM.

Guyanese ain’t that stupid. 

It was Granger and Williams who created the crisis. No spin can change the truth. Jagdeo is doing what every leader of the opposition is supposed to do and that is to ensure that the government complied with the speaker, constitution and court.

This is all about the PNC stalling and clinging to straws. 

Ralph = ANUS 

yuji22 posted:

Jagdeo is NOT stalling. Granger can set a day as stipulated by the constitution and and Jagdeo will sit down. Granger is behaving worse than a prostitute by violating the speaker ruling, the constitution and courts. 

Yes, Granger sent two different letters to GECOM.

Guyanese ain’t that stupid. 

It was Granger and Williams who created the crisis. No spin can change the truth. Jagdeo is doing what every leader is the opposition is supposed to do and that is to ensure that the government complied worth the speaker, constitution and court.

This is all about the PNC stalling and clinging to straws. 

Ralph = ANUS 

Granger sent two letters but the second letter is a continuation of the first letter and that is clearly stated in the second letter. Is there a new law against writing two letters? The second letter has a reference to the first letter so there's nothing behind hidden from GECOM. Both letters were presented to GECOM in two separate meetings so again nothing is being hidden or manipulated as Jagdeo claimed. Jagdeo is using this non issue of the two letters as a reason for not meeting with Granger. That is stalling the process for no legitimate reason.

Mars posted:

yuji22 posted:

Jagdeo is NOT stalling. Granger can set a day as stipulated by the constitution and and Jagdeo will sit down. Granger is behaving worse than a prostitute by violating the speaker ruling, the constitution and courts. 

Yes, Granger sent two different letters to GECOM.

Guyanese ain’t that stupid. 

It was Granger and Williams who created the crisis. No spin can change the truth. Jagdeo is doing what every leader is the opposition is supposed to do and that is to ensure that the government complied worth the speaker, constitution and court.

This is all about the PNC stalling and clinging to straws. 

Ralph = ANUS 

Granger sent two letters but the second letter is a continuation of the first letter and that is clearly stated in the second letter. Is there a new law against writing two letters? The second letter has a reference to the first letter so there's nothing behind hidden from GECOM. Both letters were presented to GECOM in two separate meetings so again nothing is being hidden or manipulated as Jagdeo claimed. Jagdeo is using this non issue of the two letters as a reason for not meeting with Granger. That is stalling the process for no legitimate reason.

Hey hey hey...how tings bai? Yu and de family celebrate de national award? Hey hey hey...

Jagdeo is NOT the President so how the hell can he stall Elections?/ People really need brains on GNI, looks like brains scarce!!!

Labba posted:

Mars posted:

yuji22 posted:

Jagdeo is NOT stalling. Granger can set a day as stipulated by the constitution and and Jagdeo will sit down. Granger is behaving worse than a prostitute by violating the speaker ruling, the constitution and courts. 

Yes, Granger sent two different letters to GECOM.

Guyanese ain’t that stupid. 

It was Granger and Williams who created the crisis. No spin can change the truth. Jagdeo is doing what every leader is the opposition is supposed to do and that is to ensure that the government complied worth the speaker, constitution and court.

This is all about the PNC stalling and clinging to straws. 

Ralph = ANUS 

Granger sent two letters but the second letter is a continuation of the first letter and that is clearly stated in the second letter. Is there a new law against writing two letters? The second letter has a reference to the first letter so there's nothing behind hidden from GECOM. Both letters were presented to GECOM in two separate meetings so again nothing is being hidden or manipulated as Jagdeo claimed. Jagdeo is using this non issue of the two letters as a reason for not meeting with Granger. That is stalling the process for no legitimate reason.

Hey hey hey...how tings bai? Yu and de family celebrate de national award? Hey hey hey...

You got the wrong person. That would be Baseman and his family celebrating the national award. Don't worry, you can always jump back to PPP this time around and you might win the grasshopper award next time around.

Who knows. The PPP might even give you lil soup to keep you in the fold this time.

Nehru Bhai. Internal polling indicate a PPP majority.Guyana going to the moon again with the PPP. 

PNC battie biting. Granger is on the back foot as Jagdeo hit the PNC for a cover drive.

We are one family. PPP can accommodate a labba. 

Mars posted:

Labba posted:

Mars posted:

yuji22 posted:

Jagdeo is NOT stalling. Granger can set a day as stipulated by the constitution and and Jagdeo will sit down. Granger is behaving worse than a prostitute by violating the speaker ruling, the constitution and courts. 

Yes, Granger sent two different letters to GECOM.

Guyanese ain’t that stupid. 

It was Granger and Williams who created the crisis. No spin can change the truth. Jagdeo is doing what every leader is the opposition is supposed to do and that is to ensure that the government complied worth the speaker, constitution and court.

This is all about the PNC stalling and clinging to straws. 

Ralph = ANUS 

Granger sent two letters but the second letter is a continuation of the first letter and that is clearly stated in the second letter. Is there a new law against writing two letters? The second letter has a reference to the first letter so there's nothing behind hidden from GECOM. Both letters were presented to GECOM in two separate meetings so again nothing is being hidden or manipulated as Jagdeo claimed. Jagdeo is using this non issue of the two letters as a reason for not meeting with Granger. That is stalling the process for no legitimate reason.

Hey hey hey...how tings bai? Yu and de family celebrate de national award? Hey hey hey...

You got the wrong person. That would be Baseman and his family celebrating the national award. Don't worry, you can always jump back to PPP this time around and you might win the grasshopper award next time around.

Who knows. The PPP might even give you lil soup to keep you in the fold this time.

Hey hey hey...Sug yu seh. Bai me doan need sem PNC metem and PPP dhal. Only under me own terms. No kiss ass from de Labba. Hey hey hey

Yuji Bhai, I leave that to the Guyanese people to decide. But I hope you are right. I have seen many shit hole countries electing the worst of humanity.

Nehru posted:

Jagdeo is NOT the President so how the hell can he stall Elections?/ People really need brains on GNI, looks like brains scarce!!!

Dem trying to spin for the PNC. The constitutional crisis was created by the PNC. Dem battle biting now as pressure builds. 

Pressure does mek pipe buss. 

Jagdeo hit their spin out of the park for a massive six. 

Ralph and his ANUS is 12th man. 

The NCV was in December, it is now March, OK we know they dont know to count(33>32) so are they really that DUMB not to be able to set a simple date, YES they are that DUMB, because a date has to do with numbers and Basil said 32>33.

Ow bai, dem balls buss. And dem not too smart. 

Like Yuji buy SN subscription...hey hey hey...wonder when he go cancel am when dem na say what he like bout Jagdoe and puppy Irfaan...hey hey hey 

You rass funny. I ain’t buying no subscription. I leave that up to DJ.

I like what I read for now. I like, I like. 

yuji22 posted:

Mars, 

Saying that Jagdeo is now stalling is distorting the truth.

 

So who is the Head Negro Slave then if you scream that Jagdeo is ready?

How come Jagdeo is more present at PPP events than is Irfaan?

How come Jagdeo told Irfaan to say nothing when they met the diplomatic corp?

When is Irfaan going to prove that the universities where he claims he received degrees even know that he exists?

Mars posted:

Ally is correct in stating that Jagdeo and Granger should meet and fix a date for elections. Elections will not happen before March 20th so they need to agree on a date when it's feasible to hold them. While they are proposing an extension to the date for elections, they might as well cater for house to house registration and have a proper list for the elections. Get rid of all the dead people off the list and include all the young people who are now eligible to vote. It would be a travesty to hold elections and not have young people who have become eligible to vote within the last few years as a part of the process. You would be denying the new generation a chance to exercise their franchise. 

The government was stalling the process by trying to buy some time with going to court to test the validity of the NCV. Jagdeo is also now stalling the process because he can score some political points by stating that the Government is illegal if elections are not held by the deadline stipulated by the NCV.

 Young people are free to register to vote via the continuous voter registration process. Dead people can be purged at the click of a button. There is no need for house to house registration to ascertain the voter list. This is just an excuse to open the doors for more rigging. Yall rass were not calling for voter list cleansing back in 2015. Now you ketch sense and suddenly want purity in the list as it will prolong the time at the soup table. 

Drugb posted:

Mars posted:

Ally is correct in stating that Jagdeo and Granger should meet and fix a date for elections. Elections will not happen before March 20th so they need to agree on a date when it's feasible to hold them. While they are proposing an extension to the date for elections, they might as well cater for house to house registration and have a proper list for the elections. Get rid of all the dead people off the list and include all the young people who are now eligible to vote. It would be a travesty to hold elections and not have young people who have become eligible to vote within the last few years as a part of the process. You would be denying the new generation a chance to exercise their franchise. 

The government was stalling the process by trying to buy some time with going to court to test the validity of the NCV. Jagdeo is also now stalling the process because he can score some political points by stating that the Government is illegal if elections are not held by the deadline stipulated by the NCV.

 Young people are free to register to vote via the continuous voter registration process. Dead people can be purged at the click of a button. There is no need for house to house registration to ascertain the voter list. This is just an excuse to open the doors for more rigging. Yall rass were not calling for voter list cleansing back in 2015. Now you ketch sense and suddenly want purity in the list as it will prolong the time at the soup table. 

So you actually think that cleaning up the list by purging thousands of dead people and adding new eligible voters makes the elections easier to rig than keeping it in the current state. I guess you forgot the Burnham years when dead people would be resurrected to go to the polls. Einstein would be mightily impressed with the power of your logical thinking. Even if young people register to vote after 2015, how will their names appear on the list if you’re using a list from 2015? They have to devise a process to add people to the list. We’re not talking about the U.S. where the list of eligible votes is easily updated with deaths and new voters. Why is the PPP so deathly afraid of the list being updated properly? 

Two questions. Had the elections date been set for a date on or before March 20th 2019, would Granger need to have Jagdeo also agree to that date? Secondly, can Jagdeo stall the process to prevent general elections on or before March 20, 2019?

ksazma posted:

Two questions.

Had the elections date been set for a date on or before March 20th 2019, would Granger need to have Jagdeo also agree to that date?

Secondly, can Jagdeo stall the process to prevent general elections on or before March 20, 2019?

Question 1 ..

No ... Granger has to comply with the constitution.

Question 2 ...

No ... Jagdeo cannot.

Fundamental Issue ...

Elections MUST be held on or before March 20, 2019.

Mars posted:

So you actually think that cleaning up the list by purging thousands of dead people and adding new eligible voters makes the elections easier to rig than keeping it in the current state. I guess you forgot the Burnham years when dead people would be resurrected to go to the polls. Einstein would be mightily impressed with the power of your logical thinking. Even if young people register to vote after 2015, how will their names appear on the list if you’re using a list from 2015? They have to devise a process to add people to the list. We’re not talking about the U.S. where the list of eligible votes is easily updated with deaths and new voters. Why is the PPP so deathly afraid of the list being updated properly? 

Don't be a jackass, dead people can easily be purged the click of a key stroke, delete. What does this have to do with house to house registration?  Cross reference the list of voter ids with the dead people list and hey presto it is done. How is house to house going to ascertain whether a person is dead if yall rass already got de death certificate?   Now you crying about young people not being registered, nobody is preventing them from getting registered, seems like you hold a gun to their head and make them register. 

Yall putagee was lovers of banum and supported his repression of the Indos. So I don't follow why you complaining after all these years when your type benefited under his regime.    

Lets face it, the only reason you crying for house to house registration is so that pnc gecom workers can rig the list and legitimate the dragged out reign of Granger into next year. 

Adding new voters to the voters list should be no problem if GECOM was working a full work day everyday so there should be no excuse there. Removing dead or migrated people from the list is a bit more challenging but these people voting is less likely since IDs need to be presented when one votes. House to house registration is ineffective, impractical and costly both in dollars and time. What do GECOM do about those people who are not home when they visit with their ruled notepad?

There would be no registration crises and the list would be reliable if GECOM was doing their job instead of being lazy and hapless. Granger is not without blame here either as he sat on his wicked and lazy ass for more than a year as he sought to exhaust the Opposition's input in the selection of the GECOM chairman. He eventually appointed old man Patterson who is prone to illness and now the Chief Elections Officer is also sick leading to an election system that is on life support. Like the first iteration of the PNC, this one is also wicked, lazy and hapless.

Drugb posted:

Mars posted:

So you actually think that cleaning up the list by purging thousands of dead people and adding new eligible voters makes the elections easier to rig than keeping it in the current state. I guess you forgot the Burnham years when dead people would be resurrected to go to the polls. Einstein would be mightily impressed with the power of your logical thinking. Even if young people register to vote after 2015, how will their names appear on the list if you’re using a list from 2015? They have to devise a process to add people to the list. We’re not talking about the U.S. where the list of eligible votes is easily updated with deaths and new voters. Why is the PPP so deathly afraid of the list being updated properly? 

Don't be a jackass, dead people can easily be purged the click of a key stroke, delete. What does this have to do with house to house registration?  Cross reference the list of voter ids with the dead people list and hey presto it is done. How is house to house going to ascertain whether a person is dead if yall rass already got de death certificate?   Now you crying about young people not being registered, nobody is preventing them from getting registered, seems like you hold a gun to their head and make them register. 

Yall putagee was lovers of banum and supported his repression of the Indos. So I don't follow why you complaining after all these years when your type benefited under his regime.    

Lets face it, the only reason you crying for house to house registration is so that pnc gecom workers can rig the list and legitimate the dragged out reign of Granger into next year. 

The registering of young people is not a problem. If they want to vote they will register. However, registering does not get them on the 2015 list. You'll be using an old pre 2015 list so those who are eligible to vote after 2015 have to be added to the list. Y'all think it's like the U.S. where births, migrations and deaths are automatically updated on to the list.

I never supported Burnham and my family worked for every penny we got. We earned it the old fashioned way, not by smuggling like you admitted to doing during the Burnham years. The UF and the Portuguese community withdrew its support for Burnham after D'Aguiar got wind that the PNC planned to rig the 1968 elections. Even after the 1968 and 1973 elections were rigged, the PPP and its Indian leaders supported Burnham after their Commie masters ordered the stooges to join forces with Burnham. So your type benefited a lot more than we ever did while you supported the Dictator.

Indo Guyanese are caught between the rock and the hard place. No doubt it is wonderful that through the passage of time, they were still able to retain many of their cultural and religious Indian background. As a result of this, they are usually seen as outsiders. During my time in Guyana, we mostly listen to Indian music and watched Indian movies. We didn't party much like non-Indians whereas blacks and Portuguese had religion and culture (with blacks adapting those of the Europeans) somewhat in common. It is no surprise that blacks and Portuguese would hang out together, attend the same kinds of parties or clubs as they do attend the same kinds of churches. Indians also have some responsibility for their isolation from non-Indian groups. That has changed much over the years and was changing even when I lived in Guyana. I used to ride a motorcycle and as a result, while I had Indian bike friends, I also had black and Portuguese friends stemming from being a 'biker'. There is no shame in being an Indian or in holding to cultures and religions passed down from our Indian ancestors but hopefully it will not cause us to either isolate ourselves or be isolated from the larger society which we exist in.

GECOM should have a system where the voters list is constantly updated with some kind of mechanism to verify it. With just 500k potential voters in a country half the size of California, there should never be an excuse that they didn't have the capacity to have an accurate and updated list. People don't vote the day they are born so no one should complain that because GECOM wasn't at the christening, they couldn't get the baby on the list on time.