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Melania knocked that one out of the ball park and now Hellary and Company are starting to shake in their boots. If her speech was plagiarism, then they should file a lawsuit, as that is a legal offense in the USA.
They are knit picking words like respect, honor, dignity, my husband is an honorable man.
If Melania plagiarized from Michelle, then Michelle plagiarized from Eleanor Roosevelt who said the same about her husband in slightly different words.
Bibi Haniffa posted:Melania knocked that one out of the ball park and now Hellary and Company are starting to shake in their boots. If her speech was plagiarism, then they should file a lawsuit, as that is a legal offense in the USA.
They are knit picking words like respect, honor, dignity, my husband is an honorable man.
If Melania plagiarized from Michelle, then Michelle plagiarized from Eleanor Roosevelt who said the same about her husband in slightly different words.
Obviously, you haven't seen the comparisons of the two speeches
Like I said, plagiarism is a legal offense in the USA. They should file a lawsuit to prove their claim. Until then we can banter about this all day and achieve nothing.
Politics is a dirty game. It all results in whose lie you choose to believe.
Bibi Haniffa posted:Melania knocked that one out of the ball park and now Hellary and Company are starting to shake in their boots. If her speech was plagiarism, then they should file a lawsuit, as that is a legal offense in the USA.
They are knit picking words like respect, honor, dignity, my husband is an honorable man.
If Melania plagiarized from Michelle, then Michelle plagiarized from Eleanor Roosevelt who said the same about her husband in slightly different words.
Yes you are dumb as a skunk. Plagiarism plagued Biden for decades and possibly prevented him from being president today.
Someone did the lady a poor turn. It was her coming out party, she delivered the speech well but it was filched from Mrs Obama. It is like Lex Luther stealing from superman.
That you would close your eyes to obvious purloining three complete passages of Mrs Obama's speech is telling. You have no moral center and as long as something it meets your needs it is good. It is pure crap that Ms Obama stole from Eleanor.
This is an old trick from the Hillary Camp. In 2008 she accused Obama of plagiarizing. Read this from today's New York Times.
"Accusations of plagiarism are not unheard-of in political speeches, although the consequences have varied.
In 2008, Mrs. Clinton criticized Mr. Obama for appearing to lift a passage from Deval Patrick, then the governor of Massachusetts, in a speech about how words matter. Mr. Obama, then a senator, said that he could have credited Mr. Patrick but that he did not consider it a case of plagiarism.
When Mr. Biden was running for president in the 1980s, he faced questions about plagiarizing speeches from Robert F. Kennedy, Hubert H. Humphrey and Neil Kinnock, a British Labor Party leader. Mr. Biden said at the time that it was âludicrousâ to expect a politician to attribute everything he said."
The FOOL Trump talk crap about the Obamas BUT cant help COPY from them. Bloody Fakers!!!
Bibi Haniffa posted:This is an old trick from the Hillary Camp. In 2008 she accused Obama of plagiarizing. Read this from today's New York Times.
"Accusations of plagiarism are not unheard-of in political speeches, although the consequences have varied.
In 2008, Mrs. Clinton criticized Mr. Obama for appearing to lift a passage from Deval Patrick, then the governor of Massachusetts, in a speech about how words matter. Mr. Obama, then a senator, said that he could have credited Mr. Patrick but that he did not consider it a case of plagiarism.
When Mr. Biden was running for president in the 1980s, he faced questions about plagiarizing speeches from Robert F. Kennedy, Hubert H. Humphrey and Neil Kinnock, a British Labor Party leader. Mr. Biden said at the time that it was âludicrousâ to expect a politician to attribute everything he said."
Gal wh7y dont you look at the CNN comparison side by side .
Obama: Barack and I were raised with so many of the same values...
Trump: My parents impressed on me the values...
Obama: ...like: you work hard for what you want in life...
Trump: ...that you work hard for what you want in life.
Obama: ...that your word is your bond, that you do what you say youâre gonna do...
Trump: ...that your word is your bond, and you do what you say...
Obama: ...that you treat people with dignity and respect...
Trump: ...that you treat people with respect...
Obama: ...because we want our children and all children in this nation to know...
Trump: ...because we want our children in this nation to know...
Obama: ...the only limits on the height of your achievements is the reach of your dreams...
Trump: ...that the only limit to your achievements is the strength of your dreams...
Obama: ...and your willingness to work hard for them.
Trump: ...and your willingness to work for them.
In an interview with Matt Lauer, Trump said that she wrote the speech. Here is the Trump campaignâs vague statement, which doesnât admit to any plagiarism as much as it describes the process of speechwriting:
Bibi Haniffa posted:This is an old trick from the Hillary Camp. In 2008 she accused Obama of plagiarizing. Read this from today's New York Times.
"Accusations of plagiarism are not unheard-of in political speeches, although the consequences have varied.
In 2008, Mrs. Clinton criticized Mr. Obama for appearing to lift a passage from Deval Patrick, then the governor of Massachusetts, in a speech about how words matter. Mr. Obama, then a senator, said that he could have credited Mr. Patrick but that he did not consider it a case of plagiarism.
When Mr. Biden was running for president in the 1980s, he faced questions about plagiarizing speeches from Robert F. Kennedy, Hubert H. Humphrey and Neil Kinnock, a British Labor Party leader. Mr. Biden said at the time that it was âludicrousâ to expect a politician to attriute everything he said."
Obama admitted to not properly citing Patrick who is his friend. The Trump campaign could have stolen some good quotes from Ms Dole or some republican. You do not lift passages whole cloth from the opposition and deny it.
Bibi Haniffa posted:
If Melania plagiarized from Michelle, then Michelle plagiarized from Eleanor Roosevelt who said the same about her husband in slightly different words.
If Melania copied, not the theme, but the speech almost word for word then it is a great endorsement of Michelle.
I heard Michelle and Melania's speech super imposed. Michelle should sue this immigrant who is married to the anti immigrant thug.
Bibi Haniffa posted:This is an old trick from the Hillary Camp. In 2008 she accused Obama of plagiarizing. Read this from today's New York Times.
Bibi Obama can copy Duval as they are from the same party, and are ideologically in sync.
Trump is screaming that Obama is the worst president ever. Well he forgot what this country was like in 2008 and how hated Bush was ALL OVER the world!
It was so bad that Bush virtually burst into tears at the inauguration and Obama and Michelle had to cheer him up by walking him out to the helicopter.
I bet Bush went straight to Condi and cried in her arms.
Thank you Melania for endorsing Michelle. Clearly you see her as a role model and realize that you will NEVER reach her level.
caribny posted:Bibi Haniffa posted:
If Melania plagiarized from Michelle, then Michelle plagiarized from Eleanor Roosevelt who said the same about her husband in slightly different words.
If Melania copied, not the theme, but the speech almost word for word then it is a great endorsement of Michelle.
I heard Michelle and Melania's speech super imposed. Michelle should sue this immigrant who is married to the anti immigrant thug.
This lady is completely daft. She s an ignoramus spouting nonsense. English is very flexible. Everyone of us utter statements that are almost completely unique...whenever we say something because that is the way the probability comes out with language. Yes each sentence uttered by every english speaker is almost 100 percent never heard before. It is a well known proposition in linguistics and cognitive science. Ask Nehru. He said he is a cognitive scientist.
Yes I am but I did not ask you to advertise it.
Nehru posted:Yes I am but I did not ask you to advertise it.
Then why did you not help that daft girl above ( rather middle aged woman) that almost every sentence with more than six or so words are completely unique so probabilistically it is impossible for five percent of the lady's sentences could be identical to Mrs Obama's. Note I am not blaming Malanie. I think she was humiliated by sloppy staff.
Stormborn posted:Ask Nehru. He said he is a cognitive scientist.
The man like MLK, he has a dream.
Get ready for some more of the same tonight
RiffRaff posted:Get ready for some more of the same tonight
What?? BULLSHIT!!!!
Stormborn posted:caribny posted:Bibi Haniffa posted:
If Melania plagiarized from Michelle, then Michelle plagiarized from Eleanor Roosevelt who said the same about her husband in slightly different words.
If Melania copied, not the theme, but the speech almost word for word then it is a great endorsement of Michelle.
I heard Michelle and Melania's speech super imposed. Michelle should sue this immigrant who is married to the anti immigrant thug.
This lady is completely daft. She s an ignoramus spouting nonsense. English is very flexible. Everyone of us utter statements that are almost completely unique...whenever we say something because that is the way the probability comes out with language. Yes each sentence uttered by every english speaker is almost 100 percent never heard before. It is a well known proposition in linguistics and cognitive science. Ask Nehru. He said he is a cognitive scientist.
Melania speaks five languages: Slovenian, English, French, Serbian and German.
Some of y'all here still struggling with basic English.
Bibi Haniffa posted:Melania knocked that one out of the ball park and now Hellary and Company are starting to shake in their boots. If her speech was plagiarism, then they should file a lawsuit, as that is a legal offense in the USA.
They are knit picking words like respect, honor, dignity, my husband is an honorable man.
If Melania plagiarized from Michelle, then Michelle plagiarized from Eleanor Roosevelt who said the same about her husband in slightly different words.
Melania knocked that one out of the ball park........your partisanship, especially in the use of hyperbole and propagandistic elicit pity. you have really sunk to levels associated with rabid robots.
....then Michelle plagiarized from Eleanor Roosevelt who said the same about her husband in slightly different words.......you do take liberties with the English language. If the same....in slightly different words amount to something specific like word-for-word, then you truly need help in that cave from which you shout.
Bibi Haniffa posted:Stormborn posted:caribny posted:Bibi Haniffa posted:
If Melania plagiarized from Michelle, then Michelle plagiarized from Eleanor Roosevelt who said the same about her husband in slightly different words.
If Melania copied, not the theme, but the speech almost word for word then it is a great endorsement of Michelle.
I heard Michelle and Melania's speech super imposed. Michelle should sue this immigrant who is married to the anti immigrant thug.
This lady is completely daft. She s an ignoramus spouting nonsense. English is very flexible. Everyone of us utter statements that are almost completely unique...whenever we say something because that is the way the probability comes out with language. Yes each sentence uttered by every english speaker is almost 100 percent never heard before. It is a well known proposition in linguistics and cognitive science. Ask Nehru. He said he is a cognitive scientist.
Melania speaks five languages: Slovenian, English, French, Serbian and German.
Some of y'all here still struggling with basic English.
I sure she can plagiarize in 5 languages too
Bibi Haniffa posted:Like I said, plagiarism is a legal offense in the USA. They should file a lawsuit to prove their claim. Until then we can banter about this all day and achieve nothing.
Politics is a dirty game. It all results in whose lie you choose to believe.
It all results in whose lie you choose to believe.....OMG....Mrs Trump on board here at GNI. When I look at Trump I see the Bibibski.
I need to take a shower after reading the post above. My goodness, the depths to which we sink.
Kari posted:Bibi Haniffa posted:Melania knocked that one out of the ball park and now Hellary and Company are starting to shake in their boots. If her speech was plagiarism, then they should file a lawsuit, as that is a legal offense in the USA.
They are knit picking words like respect, honor, dignity, my husband is an honorable man.
If Melania plagiarized from Michelle, then Michelle plagiarized from Eleanor Roosevelt who said the same about her husband in slightly different words.
Melania knocked that one out of the ball park........your partisanship, especially in the use of hyperbole and propagandistic elicit pity. you have really sunk to levels associated with rabid robots.
....then Michelle plagiarized from Eleanor Roosevelt who said the same about her husband in slightly different words.......you do take liberties with the English language. If the same....in slightly different words amount to something specific like word-for-word, then you truly need help in that cave from which you shout.
Oh rass, look who talking about English language. Did you not admit right here on this BB that when you write English at GCE you failed??? Hahahaha.
Nehru posted:RiffRaff posted:Get ready for some more of the same tonight
What?? BULLSHIT!!!!
Sometimes we need some comedy
Trump camp denies parts of wife's speech copied from Michelle Obamaâs
Erica Werner And Scott Bauer, The Associated Press, Published Tuesday, July 19, 2016 5:49AM EDT, Last Updated Tuesday, July 19, 2016 12:05PM EDT, http://www.cp24.com/world/trum...le-obama-s-1.2992533
Trump's wife accused of plagiarizing First Lady
CLEVELAND - The Trump campaign on Tuesday dismissed criticism that Melania Trump directly lifted two passages nearly word-for-word from the speech that first lady Michelle Obama delivered in 2008 at the Democratic National Convention, calling the complaints âjust absurd.â
Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort insisted no mistakes had been made with the speech and said the issue was âtotally blown out of proportion.â
âThere were a few words on it, but they're not words that were unique words,â he told The Associated Press. âNinety-nine per cent of that speech talked about her being an immigrant and love of country and love of family and everything else.â
Melania Trump, wife of Republican Presidential Candidate Donald Trump, speaks during first day of the Republican National Convention in Cleveland, Monday, July 18, 2016. (AP Photo/Carolyn Kaster)
Mrs. Trump's star turn at the Republican National Convention Monday night captivated a GOP crowd that had rarely heard from the wife of Donald Trump. The passages in question focused on lessons that Trump's wife says she learned from her parents and the relevance of their lessons in her experience as a mother.
Manafort told CNN Mrs. Trump was aware of âhow her speech was going to be scrutinizedâ and said any notion that she picked up portions of Mrs. Obama's convention talk was âjust absurd.â He also tried to blame Hillary Clinton.
âI mean, this is, once again, an example of when a woman threatens Hillary Clinton, how she seeks out to demean her and take her down,â Manafort said. âIt's not going to work.â
The White House declined to comment on similarities between the two prime-time speeches, but the issue is likely to arise at the daily White House briefing.
The passages in question came near the beginning of Mrs. Trump's roughly 10-minute speech. Her address was otherwise distinct from the address that Mrs. Obama gave when then-Sen. Barack Obama was being nominated for president.
In Mrs. Trump's speech in Cleveland, she said: âFrom a young age, my parents impressed on me the values that you work hard for what you want in life, that your word is your bond and you do what you say and keep your promise, that you treat people with respect. They taught and showed me values and morals in their daily life.â
In Mrs. Obama's 2008 speech in Denver, she said: âAnd Barack and I were raised with so many of the same values: like, you work hard for what you want in life, that your word is your bond, that you do what you say you're going to do, that you treat people with dignity and respect, even if you don't know them and even if you don't agree with them.â
Republican National Committee chairman Reince Priebus said he would âprobablyâ fire his speechwriters if they lifted passages from someone else's remarks. Priebus told reporters at a Bloomberg breakfast that the controversy was a âdistractionâ but said he expected the convention to get back on message Tuesday.
Asked about Priebus' comments, Manafort told the AP, âFrankly, if I knew somebody did it I would fire them too.â
New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie tried to tamp down the controversy, saying â93 per cent of the speech is completely differentâ from the speech Mrs. Obama delivered. Christie said on NBC's âTodayâ show that the women âexpressed some common thoughts.â He did not explain how he arrived at the 93 per cent figure.
Another passage in Mrs. Trump's speech with notable similarities to Mrs. Obama's remarks addresses her attempts to instil those values in her son.
âWe need to pass those lessons on to the many generations to follow,â Mrs. Trump said. âBecause we want our children in this nation to know that the only limit to your achievements is the strength of your dreams and your willingness to work for them.â
In the first lady's 2008 speech, she said, âBarack and I set out to build lives guided by these values and to pass them onto the next generation, because we want our children - and all children in this nation - to know that the only limit to the height of your achievements is the reach of your dreams and your willingness to work hard for them.â
Trump's campaign initially responded that Mrs. Trump's âimmigrant experience and love for America shone through in her speech.â The statement didn't mention Mrs. Obama. âIn writing her beautiful speech, Melania's team of writers took notes on her life's inspirations, and in some instances included fragments that reflected her own thinking,â Trump spokesman Jason Miller said.
In an interview with NBC News taped ahead of her convention appearance and posted online early Tuesday, Mrs. Trump said of her speech, âI wrote it.â She added that she had âa little help.â
And so continues the Republican party.
Stormborn posted:caribny posted:Bibi Haniffa posted:
If Melania plagiarized from Michelle, then Michelle plagiarized from Eleanor Roosevelt who said the same about her husband in slightly different words.
If Melania copied, not the theme, but the speech almost word for word then it is a great endorsement of Michelle.
I heard Michelle and Melania's speech super imposed. Michelle should sue this immigrant who is married to the anti immigrant thug.
This lady is completely daft. She s an ignoramus spouting nonsense. English is very flexible. Everyone of us utter statements that are almost completely unique...whenever we say something because that is the way the probability comes out with language. Yes each sentence uttered by every english speaker is almost 100 percent never heard before. It is a well known proposition in linguistics and cognitive science. Ask Nehru. He said he is a cognitive scientist.
Ask Nehru. He said he is a cognitive scientist.
Oxymoron has been officially removed from the English dictionary.....
RiffRaff posted:Nehru posted:RiffRaff posted:Get ready for some more of the same tonight
What?? BULLSHIT!!!!
Sometimes we need some comedy
KariMullah like Comedy and he does get plenty Comedy.
Bibi Haniffa posted:Oh rass, look who talking about English language. Did you not admit right here on this BB that when you write English at GCE you failed??? Hahahaha.
So let's digress from the topic for a moment - which I know you really want to do - and I'll accommodate you.
I failed not only English ("F" grade), but other subjects at the GCE "O" Levels in the year that had anomalous results across the Board [the UK wanted to squeeze Commonwealth countries from sending so many undergraduates to their universities in the midst of an economic crisis and marked down both "O" and "A" Levels].
I took English the next year (5th form repeat) and passed it with distinction - an "A" grade. How do you explain that?
So Bibibski, as you know full well too, that I've always been good with the language.
So there, now you've had your digression, you still have to face the fire of your intellectual level nose-diving with the remarks about Melania "knocking it out of the park".....ROTFLMAO.....
Bibi Haniffa posted:Melania speaks five languages: Slovenian, English, French, Serbian and German.
Some of y'all here still struggling with basic English.
And so what is significant about the number of her languages.
There are many individuals on GNI who know/speak several languages.
On a specific thread on languages, I, Demerara_Guy, indicated that I speak about 11 languages ... from high school, English, French, Spanish, Latin and of course, Patois. At University I also learned/speak German, Czech, Slovak, Italian, Russian, Polish.
Civil Engineering is my focus of studies and profession while languages were/are simply a hobby.
Kari posted:Bibi Haniffa posted:Oh rass, look who talking about English language. Did you not admit right here on this BB that when you write English at GCE you failed??? Hahahaha.
So let's digress from the topic for a moment - which I know you really want to do - and I'll accommodate you.
I failed not only English ("F" grade), but other subjects at the GCE "O" Levels in the year that had anomalous results across the Board [the UK wanted to squeeze Commonwealth countries from sending so many undergraduates to their universities in the midst of an economic crisis and marked down both "O" and "A" Levels].
I took English the next year (5th form repeat) and passed it with distinction - an "A" grade. How do you explain that?
So Bibibski, as you know full well too, that I've always been good with the language.
So there, now you've had your digression, you still have to face the fire of your intellectual level nose-diving with the remarks about Melania "knocking it out of the park".....ROTFLMAO.....
So then you are a self proclaimed dunce. I appreciate the honesty though.
I sure speechwriters busy today coming up with new speeches since they got caught
Bibi Haniffa posted:Stormborn posted:caribny posted:Bibi Haniffa posted:
If Melania plagiarized from Michelle, then Michelle plagiarized from Eleanor Roosevelt who said the same about her husband in slightly different words.
If Melania copied, not the theme, but the speech almost word for word then it is a great endorsement of Michelle.
I heard Michelle and Melania's speech super imposed. Michelle should sue this immigrant who is married to the anti immigrant thug.
This lady is completely daft. She s an ignoramus spouting nonsense. English is very flexible. Everyone of us utter statements that are almost completely unique...whenever we say something because that is the way the probability comes out with language. Yes each sentence uttered by every english speaker is almost 100 percent never heard before. It is a well known proposition in linguistics and cognitive science. Ask Nehru. He said he is a cognitive scientist.
Melania speaks five languages: Slovenian, English, French, Serbian and German.
Some of y'all here still struggling with basic English.
What does that have to do with the fact her speech was plagiarized? I speak three languages and a pidgin bit of Hindi and Lukono. That has nothing to do with stealing whole cloth phrases of others. This is abject dishonesty. This is defense of the indefensible.
How could this man be trusted with telling the truth when his people spent a day lying to themselves and pretending the rest of us are ignoramus. That you take this illogical notion of the number of languages she speaks as argument against her plagiarism is moronic. There is no relationship here. No one disputes that. The disputation is with her integrity and the campaigns integrity. And who here lacks facility with english?
Bibi Haniffa posted:Kari posted:Bibi Haniffa posted:Melania knocked that one out of the ball park and now Hellary and Company are starting to shake in their boots. If her speech was plagiarism, then they should file a lawsuit, as that is a legal offense in the USA.
They are knit picking words like respect, honor, dignity, my husband is an honorable man.
If Melania plagiarized from Michelle, then Michelle plagiarized from Eleanor Roosevelt who said the same about her husband in slightly different words.
Melania knocked that one out of the ball park........your partisanship, especially in the use of hyperbole and propagandistic elicit pity. you have really sunk to levels associated with rabid robots.
....then Michelle plagiarized from Eleanor Roosevelt who said the same about her husband in slightly different words.......you do take liberties with the English language. If the same....in slightly different words amount to something specific like word-for-word, then you truly need help in that cave from which you shout.
Oh rass, look who talking about English language. Did you not admit right here on this BB that when you write English at GCE you failed??? Hahahaha.
What if he failed GCE english? Is that reflected in his present use of the language? Why do you laugh? Is it that self congratulatory to your own delusion that something is wrong with his language use?
Trump and family will NEVER admit when they are WRONG and will NEVER APOLOGIZE. Now Donald"s Foreign Affair wife plagiarized Ms. Obama,S speech, admit it!!!!
kp posted:Trump and family will NEVER admit when they are WRONG and will NEVER APOLOGIZE. Now Donald"s Foreign Affair wife plagiarized Ms. Obama,S speech, admit it!!!!
This is a management problem not Ms Trump. Her husband has hired poor staff and they did not vet the speech for facts or inconsistencies. That his staff defends the indefensible also speaks to character. He could pull them back but so far has not.