politikalamity posted:

And in this case Islamic/Afgan communities may have driven this person to such insane actions. The more the story unfolds the more a picture is being painted.

 It seems this man was struggling with demons inside. However, he was too weak to confront then and instead succumbed to them.

 It appears that he was gay, however, being gay in Islam is taboo. He may not have been a deeply religious person by definition but it seems as though he was still struggling with religion and self-doubt and his community as a whole. This all seemed to have driven him to insanity.

 The family had to have known this person was gay, however, the first thing the dad did was come out and implied that his son hated gays (so he could not be gay). In so doing he is attempting to bury that truth with his son, hopefully forgotten forever.

 He wife of four months said he was mental. Of course he was mental because of Islamic societal pressure which he felt forced him into a situation that we was against. He was struggling to deal with the skeletons in his closet.

 He had gay friends, frequented that gay club and used gay apps but never had the courage to come out. He was battling with demons for a long time it seems.

 To not live with that shame and the pressure not to shame his family possibly led him to go out in a blaze of glory freeing himself and family of the perceived demons and not bring shame on them. The fact that he may have referred to a specific organization may be nothing but fake machismo.

 Of all the different sects and religions it seems as though Islam is the least forgiving when it comes to LGBTQ. This must change.

 This whole situation was a tragic example of the Intolerance of a religion.

NOTE: the story is still unfolding and may change as we move forward but this is how I interpret it as of now. 

Is this your personal slant?  Not sure why Islam is so anti-gay when they most openly practice man-boy love associations!

base...you need to chill

ba$eman posted:

politikalamity posted:

And in this case Islamic/Afgan communities may have driven this person to such insane actions. The more the story unfolds the more a picture is being painted.

 It seems this man was struggling with demons inside. However, he was too weak to confront then and instead succumbed to them.

 It appears that he was gay, however, being gay in Islam is taboo. He may not have been a deeply religious person by definition but it seems as though he was still struggling with religion and self-doubt and his community as a whole. This all seemed to have driven him to insanity.

 The family had to have known this person was gay, however, the first thing the dad did was come out and implied that his son hated gays (so he could not be gay). In so doing he is attempting to bury that truth with his son, hopefully forgotten forever.

 He wife of four months said he was mental. Of course he was mental because of Islamic societal pressure which he felt forced him into a situation that we was against. He was struggling to deal with the skeletons in his closet.

 He had gay friends, frequented that gay club and used gay apps but never had the courage to come out. He was battling with demons for a long time it seems.

 To not live with that shame and the pressure not to shame his family possibly led him to go out in a blaze of glory freeing himself and family of the perceived demons and not bring shame on them. The fact that he may have referred to a specific organization may be nothing but fake machismo.

 Of all the different sects and religions it seems as though Islam is the least forgiving when it comes to LGBTQ. This must change.

 This whole situation was a tragic example of the Intolerance of a religion.

NOTE: the story is still unfolding and may change as we move forward but this is how I interpret it as of now. 

Is this your personal slant?  Not sure why Islam is so anti-gay when they most openly practice man-boy love associations!

Base.....man/boy might be an Afghan thing. It's a cultural thing with those people. They follow traffic lights...does that make all people who follow traffic lights man/boy aficionados?

The holy books of the three religions with Middle Eastern roots all condemn homosexuality. But mankind has changing mores over the centuries. 

So you have to show some sense when you say Islam this and Islam that. there are hundreds of millions of Islamic people who do not concern themselves with homosexuality. There are even Muslim homosexuals.

You see why your postings are regarded as simpleton ravings?

Dad is in serious denial and perhaps mental too. Would prefer his son be labeled a terrorist as opposed to being just a gay person who snapped because of parental, religious or Muslim community pressures. 

I am starting to wonder if he was molested as a child and the parents knew about it. This is more than just a terrorist case it is a person who seriously struggled with his sexuality because of his parents and religion. 

I guess to some Muslims it is more honorable to be dead than be gay...smh

How he can be gay and he has/had two wives and a kid and still in his 20s.  This is a lame excuse to cover up the truth.  This is an act of terrorism.

How many gay people are there in all religions and societies who don't accept them?  I don't see them going out and kill 50 people.  AND he called 911 during the act to pledge allegiance to ISIS.

You people give me a break - pleeeeeeze!

politikalamity posted:

Dad is in serious denial and perhaps mental too. Would prefer his son be labeled a terrorist as opposed to being just a gay person who snapped because of parental, religious or Muslim community pressures. 

I am starting to wonder if he was molested as a child and the parents knew about it. This is more than just a terrorist case it is a person who seriously struggled with his sexuality because of his parents and religion. 

Not sure now.  His current wife does not support those claims.  Seems to her he was normal and she helped him scope out the club.  This took a turn towards pure Islamic terrorism.  Funny how the Liberal media went to his ex who was not very flattering and his shady father and never brought in his current wife who seem to know much more than any of the previous individuals!!  All the Liberals looking for excuses around the core issue, Islamic inspired terrorism!

Bibi Haniffa posted:

 

How many gay people are there in all religions and societies who don't accept them?  I don't see them going out and kill 50 people.  

Based on your reasoning this can be applied to any criminal or terrorist case, therefore, there should be no crime...

Go tell that to the FBI, let's see what happens.

ba$eman posted:

Not sure now.  His current wife does not support those claims.  Seems to her he was normal and she helped him scope out the club.  This took a turn towards pure Islamic terrorism.  Funny how the Liberal media went to his ex who was not very flattering and his shady father and never brought in his current wife who seem to know much more than any of the previous individuals!!  All the Liberals looking for excuses around the core issue, Islamic inspired terrorism!

it is indeed a terrorist act, however, it is more sexy to label it outright Islamic terrorism and leave it at that than to look deeper into the whole situation. 

Bibi Haniffa posted:

Go tell that to the FBI, let's see what happens.

this is your response to our discussion, seriously????

politikalamity posted:

Bibi Haniffa posted:

Go tell that to the FBI, let's see what happens.

this is your response to our discussion, seriously????

Yes.  How would you like me to respond????

I doan think he was gay. He was a student of a muslim cleric who spoke about America, the deviant society.

He knew what he intended to do. Before 911, it was a common thing from muslim clerics to enrage their Friday worshipers.  

He stored up that hate.

One of the patron of the club said, "when he shoot a person he gave out a laugh, it  was pure evil."

He had to be possessed.

There is no way he is gay.  And they need to file charges on the second wife as an accomplice.  She went with him to scope out Disney and that nightclub several times.   She was with him when he bought the guns.  She tried to talk him out of it.

Guilty until proven innocent!!!!!!!

Bibi Haniffa posted:

Yes.  How would you like me to respond????

just keep your mouth shut if you have nothing sensible to say.

politikalamity posted:

ba$eman posted:

Not sure now.  His current wife does not support those claims.  Seems to her he was normal and she helped him scope out the club.  This took a turn towards pure Islamic terrorism.  Funny how the Liberal media went to his ex who was not very flattering and his shady father and never brought in his current wife who seem to know much more than any of the previous individuals!!  All the Liberals looking for excuses around the core issue, Islamic inspired terrorism!

it is indeed a terrorist act, however, it is more sexy to label it outright Islamic terrorism and leave it at that than to look deeper into the whole situation. 

There is no "look deeper", this was Islamic terrorism and should be called for what it is and addressed accordingly.  Trump is so spot-on in his assessment.

Being born here means little as many subscribe to the higher authority, Islam, as opposed to the country in which they were born and live!  That is secondary!  The US needs to reduce intakes from these countries, unless they and non-Muslim!!

Bibi Haniffa posted:

There is no way he is gay.  And they need to file charges on the second wife as an accomplice.  She went with him to scope out Disney and that nightclub several times.   She was with him when he bought the guns.  She tried to talk him out of it.

Guilty until proven innocent!!!!!!!

you need to speak to the FBI since you know so much

It's in the news darling.  Google Noor Mateen you will get the scoop on terrorist # 2.

seignet posted:

I doan think he was gay. He was a student of a muslim cleric who spoke about America, the deviant society.

He knew what he intended to do. Before 911, it was a common thing from muslim clerics to enrage their Friday worshipers.  

He stored up that hate.

One of the patron of the club said, "when he shoot a person he gave out a laugh, it  was pure evil."

He had to be possessed.

Yes, by Islam!!

ba$eman posted:

There is no "look deeper", this was Islamic terrorism and should be called for what it is and addressed accordingly.  Trump is so spot-on in his assessment.

Being born here means little as many subscribe to the higher authority, Islam, as opposed to the country in which they were born and live!  That is secondary!  The US needs to reduce intakes from these countries, unless they and non-Muslim!!

by the same token you and some others here can be labeled sympathizers of the Hindi Sena as many of your views can be considered in support of their ideologies - kill or convert all Muslims. I am just making a point.

You are all over the place because you are also implying that Guyanese Muslims are also supporters of Islamic terror, so would Guyana be one of those countries? If so, then, you conveniently give yourself and cohorts a way out with your "unless they are non-Muslim". 

Be careful what your wish for cause after the Muslims the Americans may just come after you. smh

 

Yes, by Islam!!

ahaaa...now you are making sense the problem is Islam...

ba$eman posted:

politikalamity posted:

Dad is in serious denial and perhaps mental too. Would prefer his son be labeled a terrorist as opposed to being just a gay person who snapped because of parental, religious or Muslim community pressures. 

I am starting to wonder if he was molested as a child and the parents knew about it. This is more than just a terrorist case it is a person who seriously struggled with his sexuality because of his parents and religion. 

Not sure now.  His current wife does not support those claims.  Seems to her he was normal and she helped him scope out the club.  This took a turn towards pure Islamic terrorism.  Funny how the Liberal media went to his ex who was not very flattering and his shady father and never brought in his current wife who seem to know much more than any of the previous individuals!!  All the Liberals looking for excuses around the core issue, Islamic inspired terrorism!

dummy, the wife was under security agency control and not accessable to the media. His former wife was.

His wife would be the last person who would know if he has sexual dysphoria.  Others exist who claim he was on Gay dating sites. Some exchanged texts with him. Those texts were supposedly turned over to the FBI

politikalamity posted:

ba$eman posted:

There is no "look deeper", this was Islamic terrorism and should be called for what it is and addressed accordingly.  Trump is so spot-on in his assessment.

Being born here means little as many subscribe to the higher authority, Islam, as opposed to the country in which they were born and live!  That is secondary!  The US needs to reduce intakes from these countries, unless they and non-Muslim!!

by the same token you and some others here can be labeled sympathizers of the Hindi Sena as many of your views can be considered in support of their ideologies - kill or convert all Muslims. I am just making a point.

You are all over the place because you are also implying that Guyanese Muslims are also supporters of Islamic terror, so would Guyana be one of those countries? If so, then, you conveniently give yourself and cohorts a way out with your "unless they are non-Muslim". 

Be careful what your wish for cause after the Muslims the Americans may just come after you. smh

Sena is a reaction to Islamic terrorism and in particular against that coming from Pakistan.  They harbor no ambitions beyond that and act within that scope!  They don't export their fight, it's contained in India.

Yes, I would limit Muslim immigration from certain Muslim nations and screen more those from other countries, like Guyana.  They need to track the affiliations of any Muslim coming from a place like Guyana to see if there are any nefarious connections.  If so, deny them visa.  Give business visa on a visit by visit basis to any with an elevated risk profile!

Yes, non-Muslims from risky countries should not be lumped in.  The Christians and other religions say from Iraq, Afgan, etc will be excluded from the limitation.

I am not worried, the US is a very fair country where this is concerned.

Danyael posted:

ba$eman posted:

politikalamity posted:

Dad is in serious denial and perhaps mental too. Would prefer his son be labeled a terrorist as opposed to being just a gay person who snapped because of parental, religious or Muslim community pressures. 

I am starting to wonder if he was molested as a child and the parents knew about it. This is more than just a terrorist case it is a person who seriously struggled with his sexuality because of his parents and religion. 

Not sure now.  His current wife does not support those claims.  Seems to her he was normal and she helped him scope out the club.  This took a turn towards pure Islamic terrorism.  Funny how the Liberal media went to his ex who was not very flattering and his shady father and never brought in his current wife who seem to know much more than any of the previous individuals!!  All the Liberals looking for excuses around the core issue, Islamic inspired terrorism!

dummy, the wife was under security agency control and not accessable to the media. His former wife was.

His wife would be the last person who would know if he has sexual dysphoria.  Others exist who claim he was on Gay dating sites. Some exchanged texts with him. Those texts were supposedly turned over to the FBI

Clown, so why the Liberal media went all over the place not even mentioning his current wife is detailed for questioning!  They made it look as though he broke up insinuating he was gay.  That whole portion of his life was MIA!!  His father knew he was not gay but they say he was in denial!!  The media and Liberals cronies were in denial!

Look at you fool, his wife would be the last!!  His association with gay sites where likely part of his plan, which seem to have been some time in the making!  He was not a crazy looni, but a methodical terrorist!

Is it Krusty???