Speaker disallows Motion to add Exxon US$18M bonus to Consolidated Fund

Dec 16, 2017 News, https://www.kaieteurnewsonline...o-consolidated-fund/

…PPP/C signals intention to seek legal action

Before the passage of the 2018 budget, Speaker of the National Assembly, Dr. Barton Scotland, yesterday, disallowed a motion of adjournment from the People’s Progressive Party/Civic (PPP/C) seeking to have the US$18 million signing bonus paid by ExxonMobil transferred from the Bank of Guyana to the Consolidated Fund.

On the final day for the consideration of the estimates, the PPP/C Members of Parliament, Irfaan Ali, and Gail Teixeria, through the motion, sought to have the National Assembly direct Minister of Finance, Winston Jordan to amend the estimates of revenues and expenditure to reflect the signing bonus.

Opposition Leader, Bharrat Jagdeo presented the motion in Ali’s absence. The Motion set out to seek the adjournment on a definite matter of urgent public importance.

The House was scheduled to start at 10 a.m., but didn’t get underway until shortly after 13:30 hours.

Dr. Barton in his ruling stated that the motion of adjournment on a definite matter of urgent public importance is an extraordinary procedure and that the Standing Order that guides the Speaker sets out three indispensible elements– that the matter must be definite, urgent and it must be of public importance.

“Of the existence of all three elements, the Speaker must be satisfied,” Dr. Barton stated.

He shared that the matter appears to be definite and of public importance. However, the Speaker ruled that it did not satisfy the ‘urgent’ element since the matter of the signing bonus was raised a week ago in Parliament by Finance Minister, Winston Jordan, and Raphael Trotman, the Minister of Natural Resources.

“The Honourable Members who have sought to move the suspension of the business of this House through the extraordinary procedure of this adjournment motion appear to have approached the House some seven days after they were made aware,” the Speaker stated,

He noted that consideration of the estimates continued over the seven days, yet the members approached the House with the motion on the final day of the process.

“The Speaker holds that the urgency envisaged in the Standing Order is not represented by this application and consequently disallows the application,” Dr. Barton ruled.

The motion sought to have Jordan deposit the money into the consolidated fund in compliance with the laws. It was noted that the current revenues and expenditures do not reflect the receipt of the monies and are therefore understated by US$18 million in violation of the Constitution and the Fiscal Management and the Fiscal Management and Accountability Act.

Essentially, by the motion, the estimates are unlawful, illegal, unconstitutional, null, void, and of no legal effect.

In the motion, Ali points out that the signing bonus was only publicly disclosed and admitted to by the Government less than seven days ago.

According to the motion, the monies were deliberately not entered in any formal accounting records of Guyana. Specifically, the motion pointed out that Article 216 of the Constitution of Guyana mandates all revenues or other monies raised or received by Guyana shall be paid into and from one Consolidated Fund.

This is applied in most cases except when revenue that are payable, by or under an Act of Parliament, into some other fund established for any specific purpose or that may, by or under such an Act, be retained by the authority that received them for the purpose of defeating the expenses of that authority.

Opposition Leader, Bharrat Jagdeo, has signaled his party’s intention to mount a legal challenge against the decision of the Government to have the monies sent directly to a ‘special’ account at the Bank of Guyana. The Government was forced to admit the existence of the US$18 million bonus after a letter was leaked indicating that the Ministry of Finance directed the Bank to set up the fund for the bonus.

Jordan has since indicated that the monies were received in 2016.

Speaker disallows Motion to add Exxon US$18M bonus to Consolidated Fund

Dec 16, 2017 News, https://www.kaieteurnewsonline...o-consolidated-fund/

…PPP/C signals intention to seek legal action

Dr. Barton in his ruling stated that the motion of adjournment on a definite matter of urgent public importance is an extraordinary procedure and that the Standing Order that guides the Speaker sets out three indispensible elements– that the matter must be definite, urgent and it must be of public importance.

“Of the existence of all three elements, the Speaker must be satisfied,” Dr. Barton stated.

He shared that the matter appears to be definite and of public importance. However, the Speaker ruled that it did not satisfy the ‘urgent’ element since the matter of the signing bonus was raised a week ago in Parliament by Finance Minister, Winston Jordan, and Raphael Trotman, the Minister of Natural Resources.

Monies that were secretly stored and only became known a few weeks ago is surely a matter of of being definite, public importance and urgent.

Will be of interest on the intentions and outcome to pursue the matter through a legal challenge.

One would have imagined that when you get caught with your hand in the cookie jar you try to implement damage control.  

"Opposition Leader, Bharrat Jagdeo, has signaled his party’s intention to mount a legal challenge against the decision of the Government to have the monies sent directly to a ‘special’ account at the Bank of Guyana. The Government was forced to admit the existence of the US$18 million bonus after a letter was leaked indicating that the Ministry of Finance directed the Bank to set up the fund for the bonus."

Bharat Jagdeo Gov't was the worst for having accounts in multiple banks.

How soon we forget.

Ganger gov't goofed up,got caught and are correcting the mistakes.

Unfortunately, Jagdeo' past behaviour regarding  this issue will bear no weight in a future court challenge.

i wonder why they waited so long to bring forth the motion. Also, at the beginning of the session, why did they not raise the issue of whether a bonus was paid at the first opportunity.

Zed posted:

Unfortunately, Jagdeo' past behaviour regarding  this issue will bear no weight in a future court challenge.

i wonder why they waited so long to bring forth the motion. Also, at the beginning of the session, why did they not raise the issue of whether a bonus was paid at the first opportunity.

I don't think it will end up in court.

Did you take a look at Granger press conference,posted a video here.

Bibi Haniffa posted:

One would have imagined that when you get caught with your hand in the cookie jar you try to implement damage control.  

and you are a professional at that. 

Zed posted:

Unfortunately, Jagdeo' past behaviour regarding  this issue will bear no weight in a future court challenge.

i wonder why they waited so long to bring forth the motion. Also, at the beginning of the session, why did they not raise the issue of whether a bonus was paid at the first opportunity.

Yugi said that there is honor among thieves.

This Speaker is the BIGGEST JACKASS on the Planet. A ass kissing, dry coconut eating IDIOT like that would find it hard to be employed cleaning Toilets!!!!

Nehru posted:

This Speaker is the BIGGEST JACKASS on the Planet. A ass kissing, dry coconut eating IDIOT like that would find it hard to be employed cleaning Toilets!!!!

Unfortunately, he is calling the shots in parliament. Get used to him or burn the country down. 

Django posted:

"Opposition Leader, Bharrat Jagdeo, has signaled his party’s intention to mount a legal challenge against the decision of the Government to have the monies sent directly to a ‘special’ account at the Bank of Guyana. The Government was forced to admit the existence of the US$18 million bonus after a letter was leaked indicating that the Ministry of Finance directed the Bank to set up the fund for the bonus."

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Bharat Jagdeo Gov't was the worst for having accounts in multiple banks.

How soon we forget.

Ganger gov't goofed up,got caught and are correcting the mistakes.

Django bai. I will give you a good advise this Christmas season. I understand that you have a problem with how Jagdeo operated while he was President. That is now old history as he is no longer President although he is now the Opposition Leader. He is doing what Opposition political parties are paid to do. Oppose the actions of the government. Happens in America all the time. The Republicans opposed everything that Obama proposed. Yet today they and Trump are complaining that the Democrats don't support them. Jagdeo is doing exactly what is standard of Opposition political leaders. So while we don't have to forget what he did, it is not as important or as urgent as what the government do now. It is looking like you are offering excuses for the current government and that will only put you in a bad light. The current government has already sacrificed all of their goodwill. Don't fall into the trap of having yours sacrificed also. Sure Granger's government has goofed up and they got caught. You stated that they are correcting their mistakes but I don't see where they are doing this. The motion today is to have this bonus included in the 2018 budget which the Granger government failed to include. But since they received the bonus in 2016, they have now excluded it from two budgets, the 2017 and 2018 budget. So where are they correcting their mistakes? Now Trotman is more concerned with which of the few insiders leaked the memo rather than that they did something wrong. So where are they correcting their mistake. Does correcting their mistake means finding out who leaked the memo and settling a score with that person?

Again, don't allow your goodwill to get sacrificed by Granger and his compadres' wickedness. You can still oppose this government while still opposing Jagdeo as that is your right. Pranama.

Prince posted:

Nehru posted:

This Speaker is the BIGGEST JACKASS on the Planet. A ass kissing, dry coconut eating IDIOT like that would find it hard to be employed cleaning Toilets!!!!

Unfortunately, he is calling the shots in parliament. Get used to him or burn the country down. 

Why all y'all PNC supporters always talking about burning things down? 

ksazma posted:

Prince posted:

Nehru posted:

This Speaker is the BIGGEST JACKASS on the Planet. A ass kissing, dry coconut eating IDIOT like that would find it hard to be employed cleaning Toilets!!!!

Unfortunately, he is calling the shots in parliament. Get used to him or burn the country down. 

Why all y'all PNC supporters always talking about burning things down? 

What is the definition of a PNC supporter? Which political party is immune from criticism? 

Mitwah posted:

Bibi Haniffa posted:

One would have imagined that when you get caught with your hand in the cookie jar you try to implement damage control.  

and you are a professional at that. 

Wrong again.  I don't like cookies.

Django posted:

Zed posted:

Unfortunately, Jagdeo' past behaviour regarding  this issue will bear no weight in a future court challenge.

i wonder why they waited so long to bring forth the motion. Also, at the beginning of the session, why did they not raise the issue of whether a bonus was paid at the first opportunity.

I don't think it will end up in court.

Did you take a look at Granger press conference,posted a video here.

Get used to this for many years to come.  In 2011 this is what I warned the AFC boys about, but they all were drunk on positions in any PNC govt.  Granger nephew fed them sour milk and they were so gluten, them swallow just to end up with shittings.  

However, the arrogance of Jagdeo and his groupies played into the hands of the PNC.  The US was getting wary of them and help do them in in 2015.  With Guyana oil in play and an agitating Venezuela, I don’t see the US backing away from the PNC.  The PNC boys were always more pragmatic regarding foreign policy and relations with the US, and the got their reward.   Guyana Indians always paid the price of their leaders’ folly.   Nothing new here!  

Strategically, the PPP are dumb bunch still guided by the stupidity of the Jagans.  Imagine dem cussing the US ambassador. Stupid as stupid comes.  Hear this, the PPP ain’t getting back before 2025 and not with Jagdeo or any of his henchmen/women. PPP needs a new crop of untainted leaders.  BJ 3rd termers are as naive as the AFC in 2011.  Ahh collie people!!

Django posted:

Zed posted:

Unfortunately, Jagdeo' past behaviour regarding  this issue will bear no weight in a future court challenge.

i wonder why they waited so long to bring forth the motion. Also, at the beginning of the session, why did they not raise the issue of whether a bonus was paid at the first opportunity.

I don't think it will end up in court.

Did you take a look at Granger press conference,posted a video here.

A truncated video.

Baseman posted:

Django posted:

Zed posted:

Unfortunately, Jagdeo' past behaviour regarding  this issue will bear no weight in a future court challenge.

i wonder why they waited so long to bring forth the motion. Also, at the beginning of the session, why did they not raise the issue of whether a bonus was paid at the first opportunity.

I don't think it will end up in court.

Did you take a look at Granger press conference,posted a video here.

Get used to this for many years to come.  In 2011 this is what I warned the AFC boys about, but they all were drunk on positions in any PNC govt.  Granger nephew fed them sour milk and they were so gluten, them swallow just to end up with shittings.  

However, the arrogance of Jagdeo and his groupies played into the hands of the PNC.  The US was getting wary of them and help do them in in 2015.  With Guyana oil in play and an agitating Venezuela, I don’t see the US backing away from the PNC.  The PNC boys were always more pragmatic regarding foreign policy and relations with the US, and the got their reward.   Guyana Indians always paid the price of their leaders’ folly.   Nothing new here!  

Strategically, the PPP are dumb bunch still guided by the stupidity of the Jagans.  Imagine dem cussing the US ambassador. Stupid as stupid comes.  Hear this, the PPP ain’t getting back before 2025 and not with Jagdeo or any of his henchmen/women. PPP needs a new crop of untainted leaders.  BJ 3rd termers are as naive as the AFC in 2011.  Ahh collie people!!

Regarding your last paragraph, a young New Yorker who was on both PPP and PNC payroll as Advisor, was ordered by PNC to tell PPP to curse the US Amb. The rest is history. I was a staunch PPP supporter until then.  

Leonora posted:

 

Regarding your last paragraph, a young New Yorker who was on both PPP and PNC payroll as Advisor, was ordered by PNC to tell PPP to curse the US Amb. The rest is history. I was a staunch PPP supporter until then.  

Watch out how you will be put down like Django.

Leonora posted:

Baseman posted:

Django posted:

Zed posted:

Unfortunately, Jagdeo' past behaviour regarding  this issue will bear no weight in a future court challenge.

i wonder why they waited so long to bring forth the motion. Also, at the beginning of the session, why did they not raise the issue of whether a bonus was paid at the first opportunity.

I don't think it will end up in court.

Did you take a look at Granger press conference,posted a video here.

Get used to this for many years to come.  In 2011 this is what I warned the AFC boys about, but they all were drunk on positions in any PNC govt.  Granger nephew fed them sour milk and they were so gluten, them swallow just to end up with shittings.  

However, the arrogance of Jagdeo and his groupies played into the hands of the PNC.  The US was getting wary of them and help do them in in 2015.  With Guyana oil in play and an agitating Venezuela, I don’t see the US backing away from the PNC.  The PNC boys were always more pragmatic regarding foreign policy and relations with the US, and the got their reward.   Guyana Indians always paid the price of their leaders’ folly.   Nothing new here!  

Strategically, the PPP are dumb bunch still guided by the stupidity of the Jagans.  Imagine dem cussing the US ambassador. Stupid as stupid comes.  Hear this, the PPP ain’t getting back before 2025 and not with Jagdeo or any of his henchmen/women. PPP needs a new crop of untainted leaders.  BJ 3rd termers are as naive as the AFC in 2011.  Ahh collie people!!

Regarding your last paragraph, a young New Yorker who was on both PPP and PNC payroll as Advisor, was ordered by PNC to tell PPP to curse the US Amb. The rest is history. I was a staunch PPP supporter until then.  

PPP has always had a dumb streak. My father always said that even though he voted PPP.

Django posted:

Leonora posted:

 

Regarding your last paragraph, a young New Yorker who was on both PPP and PNC payroll as Advisor, was ordered by PNC to tell PPP to curse the US Amb. The rest is history. I was a staunch PPP supporter until then.  

Watch out how you will be put down like Django.

Well we may have to welcome her into our groupie.  

Bibi Haniffa posted:

Mitwah posted:

Bibi Haniffa posted:

One would have imagined that when you get caught with your hand in the cookie jar you try to implement damage control.  

and you are a professional at that. 

Wrong again.  I don't like cookies.

Fine, but there is always black pudding!!!

Leonora posted:

 

I was a staunch PPP supporter until then.  

I have never been a staunch supporter of any political party and don't ever plan to be. However, I have and will always be a staunch non-supporter of the PNC.

ksazma posted:

Leonora posted:

 

I was a staunch PPP supporter until then.  

I have never been a staunch supporter of any political party and don't ever plan to be. However, I have and will always be a staunch non-supporter of the PNC.

Can it be deduced,that your support is leaning towards the PPP.

If that's correct,hopefully it's not an Ethnocentric decision.

ksazma posted:

Leonora posted:

 

I was a staunch PPP supporter until then.  

I have never been a staunch supporter of any political party and don't ever plan to be. However, I have and will always be a staunch non-supporter of the PNC.

Yes sir, that's been my political stance since the PPP's infamous brawl with the US Diplomat. 

Leonora posted:

ksazma posted:

Leonora posted:

 

I was a staunch PPP supporter until then.  

I have never been a staunch supporter of any political party and don't ever plan to be. However, I have and will always be a staunch non-supporter of the PNC.

Yes sir, that's been my political stance since the PPP's infamous brawl with the US Diplomat. 

Because you are not binary like that dumb ass b1tch!!

Django posted:

ksazma posted:

Leonora posted:

 

I was a staunch PPP supporter until then.  

I have never been a staunch supporter of any political party and don't ever plan to be. However, I have and will always be a staunch non-supporter of the PNC.

Can it be deduced,that your support is leaning towards the PPP.

If that's correct,hopefully it's not an Ethnocentric decision.

Nah. I was born in the year that the PNC wrecked havoc on Guyana and all my life in Guyana was spent under an  ever growing repressive and dictatorial PNC regime and it is from that foundation that I will never support the PNC. Decades later into the present, the PNC is still a bunch of bullies. I don't have any experience living under the PPP government so I don't have the same anger towards them. But I have had many neighborly meetings with Cheddie and Janet and they were all very cordial and warm.

Regarding ethnocentric. I never saw the PPP and PNC as Indian and African as they both had major players from both major parties. That is why you don't see me referring to the parties in racial terms. I rail against Moses not because he is Indian and part of the current government but because he himself claimed that he would have to be a neemakharam to do so. All I do is reiterate his assessment of himself. Remember it was an Indian Speaker who used to throw Jagan out of Parliament for no good reason. Fast forward and we have the same tenement yard behavior from Scotland regarding Edghill. Different times, same PNC bully tendencies.

Leonora posted:

ksazma posted:

Leonora posted:

 

I was a staunch PPP supporter until then.  

I have never been a staunch supporter of any political party and don't ever plan to be. However, I have and will always be a staunch non-supporter of the PNC.

Yes sir, that's been my political stance since the PPP's infamous brawl with the US Diplomat. 

You are perfectly entitled to your position sweetheart. I am a US citizen and seek the best for America if not so much for myself anymore, for my kids as they seek their place in world. That as my preoccupation does not allow me to lose sleep over Guyana which I turned my back on 31 years ago. I have lived in America much longer than I did in Guyana and truthfully, America has been tremendously good to me and my family. Priya doesn't have that same experience so she acting in what she thought is the best interest of Guyana would have to be evaluated through that viewpoint. I really only started railing against the AFC after they signed that Valentines Day love letter. After declaration comes sex. After signing that love letter, the AFC got screwed by the PNC. Now they are walking around beaten and bruised.

Kaz,

Thanks for the truthful response,even though we don't know each other.

I say you are a man of "Honor"

Django posted:

Kaz,

Thanks for the truthful response,even though we don't know each other.

I say you are a man of "Honor"

I don't appreciate the word honor. Although the quotations may have diluted its value enough. 

Leonora posted:

Baseman posted:

Django posted:

Zed posted:

Unfortunately, Jagdeo' past behaviour regarding  this issue will bear no weight in a future court challenge.

i wonder why they waited so long to bring forth the motion. Also, at the beginning of the session, why did they not raise the issue of whether a bonus was paid at the first opportunity.

I don't think it will end up in court.

Did you take a look at Granger press conference,posted a video here.

Get used to this for many years to come.  In 2011 this is what I warned the AFC boys about, but they all were drunk on positions in any PNC govt.  Granger nephew fed them sour milk and they were so gluten, them swallow just to end up with shittings.  

However, the arrogance of Jagdeo and his groupies played into the hands of the PNC.  The US was getting wary of them and help do them in in 2015.  With Guyana oil in play and an agitating Venezuela, I don’t see the US backing away from the PNC.  The PNC boys were always more pragmatic regarding foreign policy and relations with the US, and the got their reward.   Guyana Indians always paid the price of their leaders’ folly.   Nothing new here!  

Strategically, the PPP are dumb bunch still guided by the stupidity of the Jagans.  Imagine dem cussing the US ambassador. Stupid as stupid comes.  Hear this, the PPP ain’t getting back before 2025 and not with Jagdeo or any of his henchmen/women. PPP needs a new crop of untainted leaders.  BJ 3rd termers are as naive as the AFC in 2011.  Ahh collie people!!

Regarding your last paragraph, a young New Yorker who was on both PPP and PNC payroll as Advisor, was ordered by PNC to tell PPP to curse the US Amb. The rest is history. I was a staunch PPP supporter until then.  

THIS IS NOT TRUE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Leonora posted:

Baseman posted:

Django posted:

Zed posted:

Unfortunately, Jagdeo' past behaviour regarding  this issue will bear no weight in a future court challenge.

i wonder why they waited so long to bring forth the motion. Also, at the beginning of the session, why did they not raise the issue of whether a bonus was paid at the first opportunity.

I don't think it will end up in court.

Did you take a look at Granger press conference,posted a video here.

Get used to this for many years to come.  In 2011 this is what I warned the AFC boys about, but they all were drunk on positions in any PNC govt.  Granger nephew fed them sour milk and they were so gluten, them swallow just to end up with shittings.  

However, the arrogance of Jagdeo and his groupies played into the hands of the PNC.  The US was getting wary of them and help do them in in 2015.  With Guyana oil in play and an agitating Venezuela, I don’t see the US backing away from the PNC.  The PNC boys were always more pragmatic regarding foreign policy and relations with the US, and the got their reward.   Guyana Indians always paid the price of their leaders’ folly.   Nothing new here!  

Strategically, the PPP are dumb bunch still guided by the stupidity of the Jagans.  Imagine dem cussing the US ambassador. Stupid as stupid comes.  Hear this, the PPP ain’t getting back before 2025 and not with Jagdeo or any of his henchmen/women. PPP needs a new crop of untainted leaders.  BJ 3rd termers are as naive as the AFC in 2011.  Ahh collie people!!

Regarding your last paragraph, a young New Yorker who was on both PPP and PNC payroll as Advisor, was ordered by PNC to tell PPP to curse the US Amb. The rest is history. I was a staunch PPP supporter until then.  

I know who you are talking about. 

Bibi Haniffa posted:

Leonora posted:

Baseman posted:

Django posted:

Zed posted:

Unfortunately, Jagdeo' past behaviour regarding  this issue will bear no weight in a future court challenge.

i wonder why they waited so long to bring forth the motion. Also, at the beginning of the session, why did they not raise the issue of whether a bonus was paid at the first opportunity.

I don't think it will end up in court.

Did you take a look at Granger press conference,posted a video here.

Get used to this for many years to come.  In 2011 this is what I warned the AFC boys about, but they all were drunk on positions in any PNC govt.  Granger nephew fed them sour milk and they were so gluten, them swallow just to end up with shittings.  

However, the arrogance of Jagdeo and his groupies played into the hands of the PNC.  The US was getting wary of them and help do them in in 2015.  With Guyana oil in play and an agitating Venezuela, I don’t see the US backing away from the PNC.  The PNC boys were always more pragmatic regarding foreign policy and relations with the US, and the got their reward.   Guyana Indians always paid the price of their leaders’ folly.   Nothing new here!  

Strategically, the PPP are dumb bunch still guided by the stupidity of the Jagans.  Imagine dem cussing the US ambassador. Stupid as stupid comes.  Hear this, the PPP ain’t getting back before 2025 and not with Jagdeo or any of his henchmen/women. PPP needs a new crop of untainted leaders.  BJ 3rd termers are as naive as the AFC in 2011.  Ahh collie people!!

Regarding your last paragraph, a young New Yorker who was on both PPP and PNC payroll as Advisor, was ordered by PNC to tell PPP to curse the US Amb. The rest is history. I was a staunch PPP supporter until then.  

THIS IS NOT TRUE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Says Queen LIAR 🤥!!!

Hell hath no rage like that of a person scorned!