Speaker erred in ruling no-confidence motion passed – AG says

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VishMahabir

Attorney General Basil Williams has advised government that Speaker of the National Assembly Dr Barton Scotland erred in ruling that the PPP/C-sponsored no-confidence motion against the government was carried and has urged that the Speaker be invited to reverse the ruling.

“The quintessential fact is that there has been an error on the part of the Speaker in ruling that the vote was carried. The ineluctable conclusion is that the vote was improper and unconstitutional. The Constitution’s ethos and norms must be maintained in order that Parliament do not act or purport to act in a manner subversive to the Constitution,” Williams said in a Legal Memorandum submitted to the government and which was seen by the Sunday Stabroek.

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TolaSenior Member

APNU will find all kinds of excuses to delay the vote. Too bad the PPP don't have good relationships with the ABC countries, to put pressure on the government.

Don't piss off your friends, because you nevva know when you might need their help.

12/30/183:50 AM

Former Member

Thought dem bais was going to de court? Looks like dem prefer to pressure Scotland to reverse his ruling. PNC bully style in full display. The record is still there that the PNC NEVER won an election. Only time will tell if they ever will. The PPP is the only party in Guyana that possess that enviable reality.

12/30/188:50 AM

Former Member

An Afro AFC guy in Guyana said the PNC is the same old PNC however, they are not dealing with Jagan's PPP. Jagdeo ain't Jagan, so they ain't going to get away with anything!

He is not an MP but said he is very disappointed with the AFC's performance in the Coalition as they abandoned much of what they stood for!

12/30/188:56 AM

Former Member

Baseman posted:
An Afro AFC guy in Guyana said . . .

lol

12/30/188:58 AM

PrashadSenior Member

The speaker better watch out. PNC may fire him and put the rank back as speaker.

12/30/188:58 AM

Former Member

ronan posted:
Baseman posted:
An Afro AFC guy in Guyana said . . .
lol

Yes, YOU cannot believe an Afro would not be on board with the PNC hooligans. Not everyone is like you!

12/30/188:59 AM

Former Member

Baseman posted:
ronan posted:
Baseman posted:
An Afro AFC guy in Guyana said . . .
lol
Yes, YOU cannot believe an Afro would not be on board with the PNC

not really

i am laughing at the nancy stories you tell

check the other thread where i comment on your fantasies about talking to an AFC "insider"

12/30/189:03 AM

DjangoAdmin

ksazma posted:
The record is still there that the PNC NEVER won an election. Only time will tell if they ever will. The PPP is the only party in Guyana that possess that enviable reality.

Taking in to consideration the Ethnic voting trends from since 1964, there is nothing to boast about the winning party of elections. The PPP advantage of winning was due to the majority of East Indian voters.

Found this interesting article take a read.

The Role of “Majority Rule” in the Collapse of Democracy

12/30/189:10 AM

DjangoAdmin

ksazma posted:
Looks like dem prefer to pressure Scotland to reverse his ruling.

I doubt the Speaker of the House will reverse the vote.

12/30/189:12 AM

Former Member

ronan posted:
Baseman posted:
ronan posted:
Baseman posted:
An Afro AFC guy in Guyana said . . .
lol
Yes, YOU cannot believe an Afro would not be on board with the PNC
not really
i am laughing at the nancy stories you tell
check the other thread where i comment on your fantasies about talking to an AFC "insider"

Yes, I do and I have a looong text message elaborating his position But it's private!

I was with the AFC and have maintained contacts. Now run along! And yes, he is Afro!

YOUR PNC f'ed up!! Suck it up and lick your wounds!!

12/30/189:16 AM

Former Member

Baseman posted:
An Afro AFC guy in Guyana said the PNC is the same old PNC however, they are not dealing with Jagan's PPP. Jagdeo ain't Jagan, so they ain't going to get away with anything!
He is not an MP but said he is very disappointed with the AFC's performance in the Coalition as they abandoned much of what they stood for!

Regardless of past or present PPP sins, any decent person would have no difficulties acknowledging that the PNC tactics regarding the passing of this motion is reminiscent of the wickedness actions of the PNC of old.

12/30/189:17 AM

Former Member

Baseman posted:
ronan posted:
Baseman posted:
ronan posted:
Baseman posted:
An Afro AFC guy in Guyana said . . .
lol
Yes, YOU cannot believe an Afro would not be on board with the PNC
not really
i am laughing at the nancy stories you tell
check the other thread where i comment on your fantasies about talking to an AFC "insider"
And yes, he is Afro!

ummm . . . where exactly did i make a case about race?

straw man much?

i seh yuh lie about yuh "insider" fren on the other thread . . . try mek dat wan about race too . . . let's see how 'talented' you are

12/30/189:20 AM

Former Member

ksazma posted:
Baseman posted:
An Afro AFC guy in Guyana said the PNC is the same old PNC however, they are not dealing with Jagan's PPP. Jagdeo ain't Jagan, so they ain't going to get away with anything!
He is not an MP but said he is very disappointed with the AFC's performance in the Coalition as they abandoned much of what they stood for!
Regardless of past or present PPP sins, any decent person would have no difficulties acknowledging that the PNC tactics regarding the passing of this motion is reminiscent of the wickedness actions of the PNC of old.

Old PNC bullyism coming forth! PNC taking the helm of the APNU. Volda says "Blacks Only" Guyana. Lets see how the WPA and JFAP handle this!

12/30/189:20 AM

DjangoAdmin

ksazma posted:
Baseman posted:
An Afro AFC guy in Guyana said the PNC is the same old PNC however, they are not dealing with Jagan's PPP. Jagdeo ain't Jagan, so they ain't going to get away with anything!
He is not an MP but said he is very disappointed with the AFC's performance in the Coalition as they abandoned much of what they stood for!
Regardless of past or present PPP sins, any decent person would have no difficulties acknowledging that the PNC tactics regarding the passing of this motion is reminiscent of the wickedness actions of the PNC of old.

The wickedness was supported by USA, to keep the commie Jagan out.

12/30/189:22 AM

Former Member

Baseman posted:
ksazma posted:
Baseman posted:
An Afro AFC guy in Guyana said the PNC is the same old PNC however, they are not dealing with Jagan's PPP. Jagdeo ain't Jagan, so they ain't going to get away with anything!
He is not an MP but said he is very disappointed with the AFC's performance in the Coalition as they abandoned much of what they stood for!
Regardless of past or present PPP sins, any decent person would have no difficulties acknowledging that the PNC tactics regarding the passing of this motion is reminiscent of the wickedness actions of the PNC of old.
Old PNC bullyism coming forth! PNC taking the helm of the APNU. Volda says "Blacks Only" Guyana. Lets see how the WPA and JFAP handle this!

alyuh in base propaganda mode . . . hysteria on the move

12/30/189:22 AM

Former Member

Django posted:
ksazma posted:
Baseman posted:
An Afro AFC guy in Guyana said the PNC is the same old PNC however, they are not dealing with Jagan's PPP. Jagdeo ain't Jagan, so they ain't going to get away with anything!
He is not an MP but said he is very disappointed with the AFC's performance in the Coalition as they abandoned much of what they stood for!
Regardless of past or present PPP sins, any decent person would have no difficulties acknowledging that the PNC tactics regarding the passing of this motion is reminiscent of the wickedness actions of the PNC of old.
The wickedness was supported by USA, to keep the commie Jagan out.

You cannot hide behind America for all the PNC sins. I'm sure the street brutality and daily abuse and racism was not something America sanctioned. Today's PNC bullyism is the same as then independent of the US!

12/30/189:26 AM

Former Member

Django posted:
ksazma posted:
The record is still there that the PNC NEVER won an election. Only time will tell if they ever will. The PPP is the only party in Guyana that possess that enviable reality.
Taking in to consideration the Ethnic voting trends from since 1964, there is nothing to boast about the winning party of elections. The PPP advantage of winning was due to the majority of East Indian voters.
Found this interesting article take a read.
The Role of “Majority Rule” in the Collapse of Democracy

I agree that because the Indian population was larger and Guyana does primarily vote down race lines, there is nothing boastworthy for the PPP.

However, regardless of advantage, rigging and using crooked tactics to win an election that seemed not possible is very shameful. So I still feel better siding with the PPP here than the PNC.

Lastly, all the talk that the PPP does not have the Indian numbers to win another general elections, why is the PNC so seemingly afraid of an election.

Regarding that article about majority rule, noting is perfect but majority rule still accept that concept that more people lodged their preference for that choice. In any case, the Coalition had no trouble ruling with just around 4500 more votes and even that amount is still a pending court case nearly 4 years later.

Like I say, I feel much better not hatching to the PNC bully tactics.

12/30/189:29 AM

Former Member

ronan posted:
Baseman posted:
Old PNC bullyism coming forth! PNC taking the helm of the APNU. Volda says "Blacks Only" Guyana. Lets see how the WPA and JFAP handle this!
alyuh in base propaganda mode . . . hysteria on the move

Is who seh Blacks-only jobs...and we are not talking political jobs. She looking for a doctor, but he must look like she! Ah she seh suh, not me!

12/30/189:29 AM

Former Member

Django posted:
ksazma posted:
Looks like dem prefer to pressure Scotland to reverse his ruling.
I doubt the Speaker of the House will reverse the vote.

Time will tell. We talking PNC here. They don't have a good track record.

12/30/189:30 AM

Former Member

ksazma posted:
Django posted:
ksazma posted:
Looks like dem prefer to pressure Scotland to reverse his ruling.
I doubt the Speaker of the House will reverse the vote.
Time will tell. We talking PNC here. They don't have a good track record.

I doubt too. The PNC are anting up their base to make trouble!

12/30/189:32 AM

Former Member

Baseman posted:
Yes, I do and I have a looong text message elaborating his position But it's private!
I was with the AFC and have maintained contacts. Now run along! And yes, he is Afro!
YOUR PNC f'ed up!! Suck it up and lick your wounds!!

Bai, nah give that banna any oxygen. Leh he suffocate. He once cried like a lil girl that he is leaving GNI because nobody takes him seriously. Looks like wherever he went after his brief leave also didn't take him seriously.

12/30/189:34 AM

Former Member

Baseman posted:
ronan posted:
Baseman posted:
Old PNC bullyism coming forth! PNC taking the helm of the APNU. Volda says "Blacks Only" Guyana. Lets see how the WPA and JFAP handle this!
alyuh in base propaganda mode . . . hysteria on the move
Is who seh Blacks-only jobs...and we are not talking political jobs. She looking for a doctor, but he must look like she! Ah she seh suh, not me!

LIAR!

she said no such thing . . . in fact, her context supported something entirely different

however, the point is taken that ethnic opportunists like you were given an opportunity to dig at racial sores

that's why her statement was foolish

12/30/189:35 AM

DjangoAdmin

Baseman posted:
Django posted:
ksazma posted:
Baseman posted:
An Afro AFC guy in Guyana said the PNC is the same old PNC however, they are not dealing with Jagan's PPP. Jagdeo ain't Jagan, so they ain't going to get away with anything!
He is not an MP but said he is very disappointed with the AFC's performance in the Coalition as they abandoned much of what they stood for!
Regardless of past or present PPP sins, any decent person would have no difficulties acknowledging that the PNC tactics regarding the passing of this motion is reminiscent of the wickedness actions of the PNC of old.
The wickedness was supported by USA, to keep the commie Jagan out.
You cannot hide behind America for all the PNC sins. I'm sure the street brutality and daily abuse and racism was not something America sanctioned. Today's PNC bullyism is the same as then independent of the US!

Extrapolate further the street brutality under Burnham, maybe i missed the events.

12/30/189:38 AM

Former Member

ronan posted:
Baseman posted:
ronan posted:
alyuh in base propaganda mode . . . hysteria on the move
Is who seh Blacks-only jobs...and we are not talking political jobs. She looking for a doctor, but he must look like she! Ah she seh suh, not me!
she said no such thing . . .

Nah, she seh suh! I guess you leaning in on Party Card jobs and food allowance as your exit ramp from racism!

12/30/189:39 AM

Former Member

Django posted:
ksazma posted:
Baseman posted:
An Afro AFC guy in Guyana said the PNC is the same old PNC however, they are not dealing with Jagan's PPP. Jagdeo ain't Jagan, so they ain't going to get away with anything!
He is not an MP but said he is very disappointed with the AFC's performance in the Coalition as they abandoned much of what they stood for!
Regardless of past or present PPP sins, any decent person would have no difficulties acknowledging that the PNC tactics regarding the passing of this motion is reminiscent of the wickedness actions of the PNC of old.
The wickedness was supported by USA, to keep the commie Jagan out.

No doubt. Kennedy apologized after the 1992 elections. Once Burnham became the leader, he was not exactly the friend of the US either and by then short of an invasion, the same tactics used to undermine Jagan in the 60s wasn't going to work in the 80s. Jagan may have been a Commie but so was Burnham. The different was that Burnham was the wicked Commie. Plus Jagan never rigged an election like Burnham did every time.

12/30/189:39 AM

DjangoAdmin

ksazma posted:
Lastly, all the talk that the PPP does not have the Indian numbers to win another general elections, why is the PNC so seemingly afraid of an election.

From my observation there is no fear, they are buying time.

12/30/189:40 AM

Former Member

Django posted:
Baseman posted:
You cannot hide behind America for all the PNC sins. I'm sure the street brutality and daily abuse and racism was not something America sanctioned. Today's PNC bullyism is the same as then independent of the US!
Extrapolate further the street brutality under Burnham, maybe i missed the events.

I think you missed much more than the "events!"

12/30/189:41 AM

Former Member

Django posted:
Baseman posted:
Django posted:
ksazma posted:
Regardless of past or present PPP sins, any decent person would have no difficulties acknowledging that the PNC tactics regarding the passing of this motion is reminiscent of the wickedness actions of the PNC of old.
The wickedness was supported by USA, to keep the commie Jagan out.
You cannot hide behind America for all the PNC sins. I'm sure the street brutality and daily abuse and racism was not something America sanctioned. Today's PNC bullyism is the same as then independent of the US!
Extrapolate further the street brutality under Burnham, maybe i missed the events.

Maybe not street brutality because PNC supporters had nothing to protest in the street for since their God was the leader. But there was widespread abuse and racism that you overlooked bai.

12/30/189:43 AM

Former Member

ksazma posted:

Jagan may have been a Commie but so was Burnham. The different was that Burnham was the wicked Commie.

talk about dumbing down a conversation

smfh

12/30/189:43 AM

DjangoAdmin

ksazma posted:
Django posted:
ksazma posted:
Baseman posted:
An Afro AFC guy in Guyana said the PNC is the same old PNC however, they are not dealing with Jagan's PPP. Jagdeo ain't Jagan, so they ain't going to get away with anything!
He is not an MP but said he is very disappointed with the AFC's performance in the Coalition as they abandoned much of what they stood for!
Regardless of past or present PPP sins, any decent person would have no difficulties acknowledging that the PNC tactics regarding the passing of this motion is reminiscent of the wickedness actions of the PNC of old.
The wickedness was supported by USA, to keep the commie Jagan out.
No doubt. Kennedy apologized after the 1992 elections. Once Burnham became the leader, he was not exactly the friend of the US either and by then short of an invasion, the same tactics used to undermine Jagan in the 60s wasn't going to work in the 80s. Jagan may have been a Commie but so was Burnham. The different was that Burnham was the wicked Commie. Plus Jagan never rigged an election like Burnham did every time.

Not true, he was still supported.They allowed him to stay in power, although the threat of Communism was eroded, they didn't bother much about his Socialist experiment.

The rigging was supported by the USA, to keep Jagan out, the USA didn't trust him with his Communist ideas.

12/30/189:45 AM

Former Member

Django posted:
ksazma posted:
Lastly, all the talk that the PPP does not have the Indian numbers to win another general elections, why is the PNC so seemingly afraid of an election.
From my observation there is no fear, they are buying time.

From your observation, no one will defect, the Govt will prevail in the NC vote! Me nuh tie bundle wit you no mo!

They are scared shitless of being vanquished! Their fat talk and what they did to the minor partners coming back to haunt them!

12/30/189:46 AM

Former Member

Django posted:
ksazma posted:
Lastly, all the talk that the PPP does not have the Indian numbers to win another general elections, why is the PNC so seemingly afraid of an election.
From my observation there is no fear, they are buying time.

Buying time for what? There is only 90 days from December 21st to hold elections and 10% of that is almost gone. Meanwhile their actions are riling up their base which Cribby suggests will become violent on the streets of Guyana.

12/30/189:48 AM

DjangoAdmin

Baseman posted:
Django posted:
ksazma posted:
Lastly, all the talk that the PPP does not have the Indian numbers to win another general elections, why is the PNC so seemingly afraid of an election.
From my observation there is no fear, they are buying time.
From your observation, no one will defect, the Govt will prevail in the NC vote! Me nuh tie bundle wit you no mo!
They are scared shitless of being vanquished! Their fat talk and what they did to the minor partners coming back to haunt them!

Bhai, that defection was a shock to everyone. The Coalition won't be vanquished easily.

12/30/189:50 AM

DjangoAdmin

ksazma posted:
Django posted:
ksazma posted:
Lastly, all the talk that the PPP does not have the Indian numbers to win another general elections, why is the PNC so seemingly afraid of an election.
From my observation there is no fear, they are buying time.
Buying time for what? There is only 90 days from December 21st to hold elections and 10% of that is almost gone. Meanwhile their actions are riling up their base which Cribby suggests will become violent on the streets of Guyana.

Don't worry with Carib, where will be the violence ?

During this week and the return of President Granger from his medical treatment, everything will fit in place.

12/30/189:52 AM

Former Member

Django posted:
Not true, he was still supported.They allowed him to stay in power, although the threat of Communism was eroded, they didn't bother much about his Socialist experiment.
The rigging was supported by the USA, to keep Jagan out, the USA didn't trust him with his Communist ideas.

I think you missed all the verbal fights that Burnham had with the US in the 80s.

It turned out that history was kind to Jagan. He reemerged when communism was a wounded dog so he was able to recalibrate his thinking and actions after becoming president in 1992. Burnham was so wicked that he was eventually buried in liquid form as his body had decayed tremendously.

12/30/189:53 AM

Former Member

Django posted:

Don't worry with Carib, where will be the violence ?
During this week and the return of President Granger from his medical treatment, everything will fit in place.

Guyana is rife with history of PNC supporters resorting to violence whenever the PNC doesn't win an election. PNC supporters don't know how to behave like PPP supporters did after the 2015 elections. Only PNC supporters can alter that history. Make-believe can't.

12/30/189:57 AM

DjangoAdmin

ksazma posted:
Django posted:
Not true, he was still supported.They allowed him to stay in power, although the threat of Communism was eroded, they didn't bother much about his Socialist experiment.
The rigging was supported by the USA, to keep Jagan out, the USA didn't trust him with his Communist ideas.
I think you missed all the verbal fights that Burnham had with the US in the 80s.
It turned out that history was kind to Jagan. He reemerged when communism was a wounded dog so he was able to recalibrate his thinking and actions after becoming president in 1992. Burnham was so wicked that he was eventually buried in liquid form as his body had decayed tremendously.

Most was sham, i have some inside info, which was gathered from interviews with Americans Diplomats stationed there from 1957-2003

12/30/189:58 AM

Former Member

Baseman posted:
what they did to the minor partners coming back to haunt them!

i am unaware that the disgruntled, likely-bribed backbencher Charandass Persaud is a "partner" Party of one in the Coalition

12/30/189:59 AM

Former Member

Django posted:
Baseman posted:
From your observation, no one will defect, the Govt will prevail in the NC vote! Me nuh tie bundle wit you no mo!
They are scared shitless of being vanquished! Their fat talk and what they did to the minor partners coming back to haunt them!
Bhai, that defection was a shock to everyone. The Coalition won't be vanquished easily.

No it was not, only those like you with your head buried in sand. I suspected BJ had a rabbit in the hat! He was confident. And frankly, given the behavior of the PNC, no one should be surprised!

12/30/189:59 AM

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