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Dr. Bharrat Jagdeo
Dr. Bharrat Jagdeo

Jagdeo challenges APNU+AFC big wigs to public debate…insist sometimes you have to kick asses to get things done

 

SOMETIMES you have to kick asses to get things done, the explanation proffered by former President Bharrat Jagdeo, even as he offers to publicly debate any and all of the rank and file of the political Opposition on their policies, at the same time, once given an equal allocation of time.

Jagdeo, for the first time in three years, spoke with members of the media at an open forum yesterday at Freedom House and fielded a varying number of questions while expanding on themes he explored over the weekend while addressing the Babu John gathering in Berbice.

Bring it on!! Former President Bharrat Jagdeo as he challenged members of the Opposition to a public debate

Bring it on!! Former President Bharrat Jagdeo as he challenged members of the Opposition to a public debate

One theme explored by the former President was the sloth in Parliament and what he called the deliberate attempt on the part of the political Opposition to stymie Government projects and their implementation.
This, he said, was to meant “to throw us off of our vision, the vision of change…I said to (Donald)Ramotar that maybe sometimes we have to use different methods.”
This, Jagdeo explained, may not have been communicated in the most elegant of language, but “I do believe you have to kick asses sometime to get things done, I do believe that.”
Jagdeo validated his position saying it is not a result of hate for people, “but because that is the attitude you have to have in a country like ours.”
This attitude, according to Jagdeo, is even more important when the decisions to be taken involve the lives of people and the services to be delivered to them.
“Whatever you have to do to change this country and to ensure a better life for our people, anything…The methods are justified,” said Jagdeo as he explained his ‘kick asses’ comment, meaning a symbolic stance of a tough attitude.
“Kicking asses (is) symbolic of a tough attitude to getting things done, not dilly dallying not wasting time with them (Opposition),” according to Jagdeo.
He explained further that his tough stance means not sitting for extended hours in meetings with persons in the Opposition, “When from the time they leave your office with all the promises, they go and CHANGE YOURposition…You waste time, a lot of time with them.”
Further taking the political Opposition to task, Jagdeo said they lack solid policies and plans for the country and whatever plans that have been offered thus far are inconsistent.
The Former President reminded that Head of State, Donald Ramotar, has already made it clear he is ready to have a public debate with Opposition Leader, David Granger.
Speaking for himself, Jagdeo told media operatives, while he is not running to be President, “I would debate anyone of them:”
Jagdeo said, “I will debate any one of them, (David) Granger, (Khemraj) Ramjattan, (Raphael) Trotman, (Carl) Greenidge, anyone of them.”
In fact, the Former President said as long he is assured equal time, he is prepared to have a public debate with all of them, at once.

By Gary Eleazar

http://guyanachronicle.com/jag...-to-get-things-done/

 

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I would not give this bit.ch the time of day. Ramotar is the one and that is who they need to focus on. Let this has been disappear from the scene so we could get rid of his bad stench.

FM
Originally Posted by Spontaneous emission:
Home > TOP STORY > Jagdeo challenges APNU+AFC big wigs to public debate…insist sometimes you have to kick asses to get things done
Dr. Bharrat Jagdeo
Dr. Bharrat Jagdeo

Jagdeo challenges APNU+AFC big wigs to public debate…insist sometimes you have to kick asses to get things done

 

SOMETIMES you have to kick asses to get things done, the explanation proffered by former President Bharrat Jagdeo, even as he offers to publicly debate any and all of the rank and file of the political Opposition on their policies, at the same time, once given an equal allocation of time.

Jagdeo, for the first time in three years, spoke with members of the media at an open forum yesterday at Freedom House and fielded a varying number of questions while expanding on themes he explored over the weekend while addressing the Babu John gathering in Berbice.

Bring it on!! Former President Bharrat Jagdeo as he challenged members of the Opposition to a public debate

Bring it on!! Former President Bharrat Jagdeo as he challenged members of the Opposition to a public debate

One theme explored by the former President was the sloth in Parliament and what he called the deliberate attempt on the part of the political Opposition to stymie Government projects and their implementation.
This, he said, was to meant “to throw us off of our vision, the vision of change…I said to (Donald)Ramotar that maybe sometimes we have to use different methods.”
This, Jagdeo explained, may not have been communicated in the most elegant of language, but “I do believe you have to kick asses sometime to get things done, I do believe that.”
Jagdeo validated his position saying it is not a result of hate for people, “but because that is the attitude you have to have in a country like ours.”
This attitude, according to Jagdeo, is even more important when the decisions to be taken involve the lives of people and the services to be delivered to them.
“Whatever you have to do to change this country and to ensure a better life for our people, anything…The methods are justified,” said Jagdeo as he explained his ‘kick asses’ comment, meaning a symbolic stance of a tough attitude.
“Kicking asses (is) symbolic of a tough attitude to getting things done, not dilly dallying not wasting time with them (Opposition),” according to Jagdeo.
He explained further that his tough stance means not sitting for extended hours in meetings with persons in the Opposition, “When from the time they leave your office with all the promises, they go and CHANGE YOURposition…You waste time, a lot of time with them.”
Further taking the political Opposition to task, Jagdeo said they lack solid policies and plans for the country and whatever plans that have been offered thus far are inconsistent.
The Former President reminded that Head of State, Donald Ramotar, has already made it clear he is ready to have a public debate with Opposition Leader, David Granger.
Speaking for himself, Jagdeo told media operatives, while he is not running to be President, “I would debate anyone of them:”
Jagdeo said, “I will debate any one of them, (David) Granger, (Khemraj) Ramjattan, (Raphael) Trotman, (Carl) Greenidge, anyone of them.”
In fact, the Former President said as long he is assured equal time, he is prepared to have a public debate with all of them, at once.

By Gary Eleazar

http://guyanachronicle.com/jag...-to-get-things-done/

 

Our Hero Bharat Jagdeo brought back dignity to our people and Moses and Rumjhaat is attempting to sell us out.

 

Bharat will bring home the PPP victory.

 

Long Live Bharat ! Long Live Bharat !

FM
Originally Posted by Stormborn:

I would not give this bit.ch the time of day. Ramotar is the one and that is who they need to focus on. Let this has been disappear from the scene so we could get rid of his bad stench.

 

I don't think we have much choice in giving him the time of day. Is he run tings in Guyana. He may have left office but he certainly didn't leave power. As long as he controls at least 8 of the 15 seats of the PPP's Executive Committee, he will be with us. If he disappears, who do we then have left to fill his chair? Rohee? Priya Pig?

FM
Originally Posted by Shaitaan:
Originally Posted by Stormborn:

I would not give this bit.ch the time of day. Ramotar is the one and that is who they need to focus on. Let this has been disappear from the scene so we could get rid of his bad stench.

 

I don't think we have much choice in giving him the time of day. Is he run tings in Guyana. He may have left office but he certainly didn't leave power. As long as he controls at least 8 of the 15 seats of the PPP's Executive Committee, he will be with us. If he disappears, who do we then have left to fill his chair? Rohee? Priya Pig?

I always maintained Cheddie was a blasted crook. Jagdeo din say so. However, he did say where and how Cheddie lived for that era when the ppl who supported him were living in logies. Jagdeo's voice was not respectful to the Jagans-so he has no respect for them.

 

Moses Nagamootoo should learn from Jagdeo.

 

Granger should know the enemy, being an army man. His strategy should be to disarm him the earliest. Jagdeo stands as Goliath, a strategic ploy must administered by David.

 

Set this nation free. The air of contempt.

  

S

Why does Jagdeo sound as if he is running for something?

 

An active Jagdeo in the campaign is good for the Coalition.

 

His presence reminds people of pension, mansion, domestic violence, and vulgarization.

 

Does he think he is a higher Chat-3 than the Chief Chat-3?

FM

99% of the big mouth opposition in Guyana is afraid of debating and producing facts in front of the public, and of the remaining 1%, 99% of them have nothing to stand on and are afraid of public embarrassment…….and that of the remaining 1%, 99% of them are in GNI masquerading behind computers like useless woody woodpecker with rubber beaks.

Corruptions! Corruption! Corruptions! Everywhere.... but  not a single corrupt bone to pick ......show....prove in public.

FM
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The bulk of the people that will vote PPP will never change their votes-they have no interests in anything. Likewise, those who will vote for the Opposition will never change their vote. We are a polarized society. There are no undecided votes. What is the point of a debate? The Opposition would be better off out campaigning tahn give Jagdeo a platform.

S
Originally Posted by Spontaneous emission:

99% of the big mouth opposition in Guyana is afraid of debating and producing facts in front of the public, and of the remaining 1%, 99% of them have nothing to stand on and are afraid of public embarrassment…….and that of the remaining 1%, 99% of them are in GNI masquerading behind computers like useless woody woodpecker with rubber beaks.

Corruptions! Corruption! Corruptions! Everywhere.... but  not a single corrupt bone to pick ......show....prove in public.

The AFC has two of the most erudite speakers, Ramjattan and Hughes. 

 

As for the rest of us as masquerades...we did not steal from anyone even if the least of us is on mickeydees earning power. Each of us could go to bed and sleep soundly with no ghosts crawling in our heads. 

 

That bitch is not earning lots of money from "foreign" sources. If he does, it is in the selling of Guyana's assets. None of the posts pay more than 150K. Your cable running behind probably earn close to that and all you do is get your fingers dirty. I am sure you are not living in a 10 million mansion. That bit.ch is a thief plain and simple .

FM
Originally Posted by Stormborn:
Originally Posted by Spontaneous emission:

99% of the big mouth opposition in Guyana is afraid of debating and producing facts in front of the public, and of the remaining 1%, 99% of them have nothing to stand on and are afraid of public embarrassment…….and that of the remaining 1%, 99% of them are in GNI masquerading behind computers like useless woody woodpecker with rubber beaks.

Corruptions! Corruption! Corruptions! Everywhere.... but  not a single corrupt bone to pick ......show....prove in public.

The AFC has two of the most erudite speakers, Ramjattan and Hughes. 

 

As for the rest of us as masquerades...we did not steal from anyone even if the least of us is on mickeydees earning power. Each of us could go to bed and sleep soundly with no ghosts crawling in our heads. 

 

That bitch is not earning lots of money from "foreign" sources. If he does, it is in the selling of Guyana's assets. None of the posts pay more than 150K. Your cable running behind probably earn close to that and all you do is get your fingers dirty. I am sure you are not living in a 10 million mansion. That bit.ch is a thief plain and simple .

You old fart…do you know what is the value of 2 CCIE’s….in the USA and the world??....150K looks big for u I can see?

 

FM
Originally Posted by Shaitaan:
 

I don't think we have much choice in giving him the time of day. Is he run tings in Guyana. He may have left office but he certainly didn't leave power. As long as he controls at least 8 of the 15 seats of the PPP's Executive Committee, he will be with us. If he disappears, who do we then have left to fill his chair? Rohee? Priya Pig?

Jagdeo, the man who is destroying cane cutters and rice farmers and yet you anoint him as "Savior of the Indians".

FM
Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by Shaitaan:
 

I don't think we have much choice in giving him the time of day. Is he run tings in Guyana. He may have left office but he certainly didn't leave power. As long as he controls at least 8 of the 15 seats of the PPP's Executive Committee, he will be with us. If he disappears, who do we then have left to fill his chair? Rohee? Priya Pig?

Jagdeo, the man who is destroying cane cutters and rice farmers and yet you anoint him as "Savior of the Indians".

 

Again Caribj makes shyte up to fit Caribj's world view.

FM
Originally Posted by Shaitaan:
Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by Shaitaan:
 

I don't think we have much choice in giving him the time of day. Is he run tings in Guyana. He may have left office but he certainly didn't leave power. As long as he controls at least 8 of the 15 seats of the PPP's Executive Committee, he will be with us. If he disappears, who do we then have left to fill his chair? Rohee? Priya Pig?

Jagdeo, the man who is destroying cane cutters and rice farmers and yet you anoint him as "Savior of the Indians".

 

Again Caribj makes shyte up to fit Caribj's world view.

Priya and Rohee are idiots.  Jagdeo is a monster.  Guyana would be better off without Jagdeo. Only Indo KKK people like you think that this black hating racist is of any use to Guyana!

 

The fact that Jagdeo controls the PPP, yes the man who boasted that the PPP is a "coolie party" (Rohee explained why the PPP is a "coolie party").  That is enough reason for the PPP to GO!

FM
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Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by Shaitaan:
Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by Shaitaan:
 

I don't think we have much choice in giving him the time of day. Is he run tings in Guyana. He may have left office but he certainly didn't leave power. As long as he controls at least 8 of the 15 seats of the PPP's Executive Committee, he will be with us. If he disappears, who do we then have left to fill his chair? Rohee? Priya Pig?

Jagdeo, the man who is destroying cane cutters and rice farmers and yet you anoint him as "Savior of the Indians".

 

Again Caribj makes shyte up to fit Caribj's world view.

Priya and Rohee are idiots.  Jagdeo is a monster.  Guyana would be better off without Jagdeo. Only Indo KKK people like you think that this black hating racist is of any use to Guyana!

 

The fact that Jagdeo controls the PPP, yes the man who boasted that the PPP is a "coolie party" (Rohee explained why the PPP is a "coolie party").  That is enough reason for the PPP to GO!

 

This Indo KKK nonsense is unbecoming of you. You just make it easy for people to dismiss your points (some of which are quite valid)

 

Let me share with you the definition of racism since I know I don't fit it:

 

rac·ism
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noun
noun: racism
the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races.
prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior.
FM
Originally Posted by Shaitaan:
 
noun: racism
the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races.
prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior.

And why are you defining yourself?

 

Discuss PPP racism as eagerly as you discuss PNC racism.  I note your reluctance to do so, and the lengths that you go to avoid such discussion. 

FM
Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by Shaitaan:
 
noun: racism
the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races.
prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior.

And why are you defining yourself?

 

Discuss PPP racism as eagerly as you discuss PNC racism.  I note your reluctance to do so, and the lengths that you go to avoid such discussion. 

 

I am willing to concede all the bad things you wish to lay at the PPP's feet. From not appointing Black ambassadors to the award of state contracts to the distribution of coveted state jobs.

 

I think you know that political parties always reward their donors, supporters, and members with the "spoils of victory."

 

In Guyana we have race based parties so I'm not shocked that the PPP is handing out the overwhelming majority of state goodies to Indians. That's where their support comes from.

 

I would expect no different from APNU/AFC.

 

That some people are racist I don't doubt as well. I am however hesitant to ascribe to the PPP a policy of racism against Black people in general.

 

This just seems to be the poisoned fruit of ethnic politics.

 

However, I am absolutely willing to state that absent any policy of racism the end products are the same. The PPP may not ride in the car of anti-Black racism but they reach the same destination that racism would have brought them. The effects of PPP rule is the same as though it practiced a policy of racism towards Blacks. I am willing to say this because this is where logic and reason leads me.

 

I am not God. I'm not an accomplished social scientist. I could be wrong. (Unlike you of course who knows all). You could be right and I could be wrong.

FM
Originally Posted by Spontaneous emission:
Originally Posted by Stormborn:
Originally Posted by Spontaneous emission:

99% of the big mouth opposition in Guyana is afraid of debating and producing facts in front of the public, and of the remaining 1%, 99% of them have nothing to stand on and are afraid of public embarrassment…….and that of the remaining 1%, 99% of them are in GNI masquerading behind computers like useless woody woodpecker with rubber beaks.

Corruptions! Corruption! Corruptions! Everywhere.... but  not a single corrupt bone to pick ......show....prove in public.

The AFC has two of the most erudite speakers, Ramjattan and Hughes. 

 

As for the rest of us as masquerades...we did not steal from anyone even if the least of us is on mickeydees earning power. Each of us could go to bed and sleep soundly with no ghosts crawling in our heads. 

 

That bitch is not earning lots of money from "foreign" sources. If he does, it is in the selling of Guyana's assets. None of the posts pay more than 150K. Your cable running behind probably earn close to that and all you do is get your fingers dirty. I am sure you are not living in a 10 million mansion. That bit.ch is a thief plain and simple .

You old fart…do you know what is the value of 2 CCIE’s….in the USA and the world??....150K looks big for u I can see?

 

I know what a real engineer makes. No bloody CISCO engineer makes more that that. 150 is not a bother to me. I am saying that Jagdeo does not make that much from any of his jobs.

FM
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Originally Posted by Shaitaan:
. The PPP may not ride in the car of anti-Black racism but they reach the same destination that racism would have brought them. The effects of PPP rule is the same as though it practiced a policy of racism towards Blacks. I am willing to say this because this is where logic and reason leads me.

 

 

And there you have it.  In your view the PNC practiced racism against Indians because they are anti Indian.  ANd yet you are screwing yourself in 200 directions to avoid ascribing the same level of racism from the PPP towards blacks.  Including ignoring the widespread violence of the phantoms and the armed forces towards blacks.  Black people who were NOT KNOWN to be involved in crime were dragged into those killings.

 

Shaitaan call a spade a spade.  BOTH the PPP and the PNC have engaged in the practice of racism, and to say otherwise undermines all your rants against the PNC.

 

1.  BOTH the PPP and the PNC are run by race based elites, and are run to benefit those elites.

 

2.  In order to maintain power BOTH the PPP and the PNC have exploited the racial insecurity of the two major groups, instead of devising strategies to resolve this problem.

 

3.  BOTH the PPP and the PNC have engaged in race based patronage to maintain support within their bases, which has had the result of discriminating against others.

 

4.  BOTH the PPP and the PNC use race as a symbol to define who the enemy is, and have engaged in ethnic exclusion, and when they deem necessary, violence, to intimidate those who they so deem.

 

5. BOTH the PPP and the PNC used violence to punish those who they feel should be their supporters, by virtue of a shared ethnicity, and also seeking to damn them as race traitors. Rodney and Nagamootoo can fill pages with this.

 

6.  BOTH the PPP and the PNC have used the police, the GDF and mercenaries (House of Israel with the PNC, and Phantoms in the case of the PPP).

 

 

Shaitaan you paint a picture of "bad black man---good Indian", even if you deny it.

FM
Originally Posted by Shaitaan:
well. I am however hesitant to ascribe to the PPP a policy of racism against Black people in general.

 

 

And there you have it.  The PNC does what it does to Indians because they are anti Indian.   But you do not see what the PPP does to black people as ALSO being racist. 

 

There is a WHOLE Chronicle editorial that describes Afro Guyanese as lazy, violent, uneducated, and making no positive contribution to Guyana.  It said AFRO GUYANESE!  The PPP has NEVER apologized for that, even though this point was raised often, and the writer of that article is still at the Chronicle.

 

Now I know what you reaction would be if any Afro Guyanese organ wrote that Indo Guyanese are treacherous, traitors, money grubbing, greedy and corrupt.

FM

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