For anyone familiar with the sugar cane industry, what would you consider as the main factors for the high cost of sugar production in Guyana?
What's your area of expertise?
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Former Member
11 US cents per pond is the world market price this morning. The cost of production in Guyana range from estates from 18 US cents to 34 US cents.
Former Member
Originally Posted by TK:
11 US cents per pond is the world market price this morning. The cost of production in Guyana range from estates from 18 US cents to 34 US cents.
Why others produce at 11 cents and we at 18 cents with cheap labor?
Originally Posted by VVP:
For anyone familiar with the sugar cane industry, what would you consider as the main factors for the high cost of sugar production in Guyana?
What's your area of expertise?
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Former Member
Originally Posted by VVP:
Originally Posted by TK:
11 US cents per pond is the world market price this morning. The cost of production in Guyana range from estates from 18 US cents to 34 US cents.
Why others produce at 11 cents and we at 18 cents with cheap labor?
11 cents is the world price for bulk. Packaged sugar can give more.
Labor Cost, too many managers, Waste and INCOMPETENCE, which will only get WORST. Party Card Politics is the strength of the PNC!!!!!!!!!
Former Member
Originally Posted by Nehru:
Labor Cost, too many managers, Waste and INCOMPETENCE, which will only get WORST. Party Card Politics is the strength of the PNC!!!!!!!!!
Pavi gat de answers right dey. 
Former Member
So what all dem estate people have to say? I think Gil might have some input. Do we plant a lower grade sugar cane, for example?
Former Member
It would be instructive to ask why Guyana's sugar in the mid-1800s survived because of the political lobbying powers of the planters. It took several measures to make sugar survive, one of which included keeping wages low.
Former Member
Originally Posted by VVP:
So what all dem estate people have to say? I think Gil might have some input. Do we plant a lower grade sugar cane, for example?
VP, offhand, I don't have concrete numbers, but I can give you a general idea. In Guyana, the sucrose content of sugar cane is generally lower than the sucrose content of Cuban cane, for example. More canes are required to produce one ton of sugar in Guyana. More canes means more cane-cutters. With a vibrant trade union like GAWU, cane cutters' wages and bonuses are always increasing, which means higher labour costs. Add to that even higher managerial costs, and GuySuCo's production costs become a burden. Not to mention mostly outdated factory plant and equipment which are inefficient. All of which have left GuySuCo with a $90 billion debt.
As I'm on the subject of sugar, I recall reading in the mid-1970s a great study of the sugar industry by Dr Clive Thomas. Even then, production costs were high, ie, before nationalization.
One more thing. I don't know if the Sugar Industry Labour Welfare Fund still exists. In the past, a percentage of sugar revenue was allocated by law to the SILWF, adding to production costs.
Originally Posted by Nehru:
Labor Cost, too many managers, Waste and INCOMPETENCE, which will only get WORST. Party Card Politics is the strength of the PNC!!!!!!!!!
Only now you know they were 'WASTE AND INCOMPETENT MANAGERS'... all the time when dem use scam the people to give yuh free rum fuh suc and chase wid poke cuttas was sweet then....
Former Member
Originally Posted by Gilbakka:
Originally Posted by VVP:
So what all dem estate people have to say? I think Gil might have some input. Do we plant a lower grade sugar cane, for example?
VP, offhand, I don't have concrete numbers, but I can give you a general idea. In Guyana, the sucrose content of sugar cane is generally lower than the sucrose content of Cuban cane, for example. More canes are required to produce one ton of sugar in Guyana. More canes means more cane-cutters. With a vibrant trade union like GAWU, cane cutters' wages and bonuses are always increasing, which means higher labour costs. Add to that even higher managerial costs, and GuySuCo's production costs become a burden. Not to mention mostly outdated factory plant and equipment which are inefficient. All of which have left GuySuCo with a $90 billion debt.
As I'm on the subject of sugar, I recall reading in the mid-1970s a great study of the sugar industry by Dr Clive Thomas. Even then, production costs were high, ie, before nationalization.
One more thing. I don't know if the Sugar Industry Labour Welfare Fund still exists. In the past, a percentage of sugar revenue was allocated by law to the SILWF, adding to production costs.
Why is the sucrose content low compared to Cuba?
Former Member
Originally Posted by VVP:
Originally Posted by Gilbakka:
Originally Posted by VVP:
So what all dem estate people have to say? I think Gil might have some input. Do we plant a lower grade sugar cane, for example?
VP, offhand, I don't have concrete numbers, but I can give you a general idea. In Guyana, the sucrose content of sugar cane is generally lower than the sucrose content of Cuban cane, for example. More canes are required to produce one ton of sugar in Guyana. More canes means more cane-cutters. With a vibrant trade union like GAWU, cane cutters' wages and bonuses are always increasing, which means higher labour costs. Add to that even higher managerial costs, and GuySuCo's production costs become a burden. Not to mention mostly outdated factory plant and equipment which are inefficient. All of which have left GuySuCo with a $90 billion debt.
As I'm on the subject of sugar, I recall reading in the mid-1970s a great study of the sugar industry by Dr Clive Thomas. Even then, production costs were high, ie, before nationalization.
One more thing. I don't know if the Sugar Industry Labour Welfare Fund still exists. In the past, a percentage of sugar revenue was allocated by law to the SILWF, adding to production costs.
Why is the sucrose content low compared to Cuba?
One factor is the nature of the Guyana coastal soil. Sugar cane fields guzzle mega-tons of fertilizer, yet the cane plants can't achieve desired sucrose content.
Former Member
Originally Posted by Gilbakka:
Originally Posted by VVP:
Originally Posted by Gilbakka:
Originally Posted by VVP:
So what all dem estate people have to say? I think Gil might have some input. Do we plant a lower grade sugar cane, for example?
VP, offhand, I don't have concrete numbers, but I can give you a general idea. In Guyana, the sucrose content of sugar cane is generally lower than the sucrose content of Cuban cane, for example. More canes are required to produce one ton of sugar in Guyana. More canes means more cane-cutters. With a vibrant trade union like GAWU, cane cutters' wages and bonuses are always increasing, which means higher labour costs. Add to that even higher managerial costs, and GuySuCo's production costs become a burden. Not to mention mostly outdated factory plant and equipment which are inefficient. All of which have left GuySuCo with a $90 billion debt.
As I'm on the subject of sugar, I recall reading in the mid-1970s a great study of the sugar industry by Dr Clive Thomas. Even then, production costs were high, ie, before nationalization.
One more thing. I don't know if the Sugar Industry Labour Welfare Fund still exists. In the past, a percentage of sugar revenue was allocated by law to the SILWF, adding to production costs.
Why is the sucrose content low compared to Cuba?
One factor is the nature of the Guyana coastal soil. Sugar cane fields guzzle mega-tons of fertilizer, yet the cane plants can't achieve desired sucrose content.
I agree with this.
Former Member
Originally Posted by Nehru:
Labor Cost, too many managers, Waste and INCOMPETENCE, which will only get WORST. Party Card Politics is the strength of the PNC!!!!!!!!!
Shut your pie hole and stop messing up the thread. The PPP, the party of canecutters has been in charge for 23 years and bankrupted Guysuco, not the PNC. Leave the informed and educated on this thread to enlighten us regarding pricing and costs, ok? Go drink some white rum with Cobra.
Former Member
Originally Posted by Gilbakka:
Originally Posted by VVP:
Originally Posted by Gilbakka:
Originally Posted by VVP:
So what all dem estate people have to say? I think Gil might have some input. Do we plant a lower grade sugar cane, for example?
VP, offhand, I don't have concrete numbers, but I can give you a general idea. In Guyana, the sucrose content of sugar cane is generally lower than the sucrose content of Cuban cane, for example. More canes are required to produce one ton of sugar in Guyana. More canes means more cane-cutters. With a vibrant trade union like GAWU, cane cutters' wages and bonuses are always increasing, which means higher labour costs. Add to that even higher managerial costs, and GuySuCo's production costs become a burden. Not to mention mostly outdated factory plant and equipment which are inefficient. All of which have left GuySuCo with a $90 billion debt.
As I'm on the subject of sugar, I recall reading in the mid-1970s a great study of the sugar industry by Dr Clive Thomas. Even then, production costs were high, ie, before nationalization.
One more thing. I don't know if the Sugar Industry Labour Welfare Fund still exists. In the past, a percentage of sugar revenue was allocated by law to the SILWF, adding to production costs.
Why is the sucrose content low compared to Cuba?
One factor is the nature of the Guyana coastal soil. Sugar cane fields guzzle mega-tons of fertilizer, yet the cane plants can't achieve desired sucrose content.
What about drainage and irrigation costs...are those major factors?
Originally Posted by Itaname:
Originally Posted by Nehru:
Labor Cost, too many managers, Waste and INCOMPETENCE, which will only get WORST. Party Card Politics is the strength of the PNC!!!!!!!!!
Shut your pie hole and stop messing up the thread. The PPP, the party of canecutters has been in charge for 23 years and bankrupted Guysuco, not the PNC. Leave the informed and educated on this thread to enlighten us regarding pricing and costs, ok? Go drink some white rum with Cobra.
Come shut it Shit Face AHOLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Former Member
Originally Posted by VVP:
Originally Posted by Gilbakka:
Originally Posted by VVP:
Originally Posted by Gilbakka:
Originally Posted by VVP:
So what all dem estate people have to say? I think Gil might have some input. Do we plant a lower grade sugar cane, for example?
VP, offhand, I don't have concrete numbers, but I can give you a general idea. In Guyana, the sucrose content of sugar cane is generally lower than the sucrose content of Cuban cane, for example. More canes are required to produce one ton of sugar in Guyana. More canes means more cane-cutters. With a vibrant trade union like GAWU, cane cutters' wages and bonuses are always increasing, which means higher labour costs. Add to that even higher managerial costs, and GuySuCo's production costs become a burden. Not to mention mostly outdated factory plant and equipment which are inefficient. All of which have left GuySuCo with a $90 billion debt.
As I'm on the subject of sugar, I recall reading in the mid-1970s a great study of the sugar industry by Dr Clive Thomas. Even then, production costs were high, ie, before nationalization.
One more thing. I don't know if the Sugar Industry Labour Welfare Fund still exists. In the past, a percentage of sugar revenue was allocated by law to the SILWF, adding to production costs.
Why is the sucrose content low compared to Cuba?
One factor is the nature of the Guyana coastal soil. Sugar cane fields guzzle mega-tons of fertilizer, yet the cane plants can't achieve desired sucrose content.
What about drainage and irrigation costs...are those major factors?
Like that other fella, I could tell you to do your own research, but I like to share my knowledge. Naturally, all those costs must be factored in, but I don't have the hard data.
Former Member
I notice that abbe coolies are incapable of engaging people without fish market language.
Former Member
Originally Posted by VVP:
Originally Posted by Gilbakka:
Originally Posted by VVP:
Originally Posted by Gilbakka:
Originally Posted by VVP:
So what all dem estate people have to say? I think Gil might have some input. Do we plant a lower grade sugar cane, for example?
VP, offhand, I don't have concrete numbers, but I can give you a general idea. In Guyana, the sucrose content of sugar cane is generally lower than the sucrose content of Cuban cane, for example. More canes are required to produce one ton of sugar in Guyana. More canes means more cane-cutters. With a vibrant trade union like GAWU, cane cutters' wages and bonuses are always increasing, which means higher labour costs. Add to that even higher managerial costs, and GuySuCo's production costs become a burden. Not to mention mostly outdated factory plant and equipment which are inefficient. All of which have left GuySuCo with a $90 billion debt.
As I'm on the subject of sugar, I recall reading in the mid-1970s a great study of the sugar industry by Dr Clive Thomas. Even then, production costs were high, ie, before nationalization.
One more thing. I don't know if the Sugar Industry Labour Welfare Fund still exists. In the past, a percentage of sugar revenue was allocated by law to the SILWF, adding to production costs.
Why is the sucrose content low compared to Cuba?
One factor is the nature of the Guyana coastal soil. Sugar cane fields guzzle mega-tons of fertilizer, yet the cane plants can't achieve desired sucrose content.
What about drainage and irrigation costs...are those major factors?
Drainage and irrigation cost was perhaps the crucial single variable that caused the African peasantry to stay at a subsistence level. Polder agriculture in that kind of tropical environment is always going to increase average cost. They need to identify crops and industry that can best thrive in a tropical polder system. The Dutch polder system is not the same.
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