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Please do not press on the links. They are dead. I was throwing away a CD and found some old threads so I am posting them here for posterity. Further, some of you get to see your ideas have not changed one bit in the decades since.
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D O V E | posted 10-27-98 01:25 PM ET (US) Guys, I usually just view the political happenings in here and rarely post responses but on I have a little topic that might just interest enough of you to spark a speedy solution regarding this issue. Please read the following attached letter I was asked to help out with. (LB, LOL and Thanks). ------------------------------------- I'm posting this for those of you who can't or don't access the other forum some of us frequent daily. I was asked to help out with this a few weeks ago but I've been so busy I haven't had the time to post it for the family's assistance. We all know how hard and expensive it is to acquire internet access in Guyana but if some have their way it'll be more so for those who do have access now and who will in the future. At the cost our fellow countrymen pay for the service; after reading the attached letter I leave it up to you to help or not. REAZ you should have more info. on this being at home in Guyana, let's see how far we can go to get the right decisions made for those who need the access to use the internet properly and appropriately. See the attachment pasted below for verification.
-----Original Message----- I have definitive word that the Government wants to remove the fire wall, but they are awaiting a flood of letters. So get your friends to send letters to the Editor of the News papers. A lot of Government Ministers are in agreement with it's removal but they need that little tidal wave nudge to go over the edge.
Please send letters those emails to the following addresses S.Khan, Editor in Chief GNNL khan@guyana.net.gy Anand Persaud Editor stabroeknews@stabroeknews.com
Here is a copy of the last one I sent so you can get the idea Harold Last year I had written to the you complaining about the Prime Minister / Government invading the privacy of my humble abode, with the censorship of my Internet viewing habits.
From a survey taken from over one hundred and fifty of my Cyber friends it seems that the majority of the Internet viewing public is now feeling this imposition in frustration, time and money. Some insecure, scared, self appointed, in the closet, Savior of the World had replied then saying
Here is how the cookie crumbles, b efore the installation of the firewall, which consists of data dissemination, word combination filtering devices by GT&T on the instructions of the Government.
It was about 3,500 bytes per second x 60 seconds = 210,000 bytes per minute. 210,000 bytes per minute x 60 minutes = 12.6 Million Bytes for an hourâs download.
This is in itâs own right is slow by world standards and barely livable.
Now with GT & Ts multitude of data filters, the act of downloading has become a morass of trouble! It now takes 14 hours to down load the same above-mentioned file of 12.6 MB. From one to fourteen is ridiculous, in this modern time when speed is the essence.
These numerous firewalls have caused all computers online to experience the âbroken pipe syndromeâ. This is due to the FTP sending the digital information to your computer, interprets the slow return ping as a signal that the recipient has stopped receiving the signal and then disconnects your computer due to a buffer under run.
Imagine starting to download a program at 7 p.m. and when you awake at 7am, expecting to see a finished file downloaded file, you see âbroken pipeâ. The amount of expletives
The present Administration says âin Guyana we now have freedom of expressionâ but this absurd, primitive, retrograde Gestapo type âsolutionâ has left us being deemed by world standards âas adults not being able to take care of our own business at homeâ The Minister of Information the Honorable Moses Nagamootoo holds the keys to my computer on the Information Autobahn and should have the guts to let us adults drive freely. Guyanese
This only happens in Third World countries that are uniformed. Come on Mr. Minister come out into the light and let us Cyber â users, utilize our precious time on the information super highway more efficiently.
Some simpleton had put forwarded the argument that there is racism, sex,
Trying to impose prohibition on Internet sex will always make some persons rich. All one has to do is ask a friend out of Guyana, to send you X-rated attachments or you can go to any Bookstore or Gas Station and purchase a Playboy or Hustler magazine. As for the making of bombs you would not believe it but if you check, the foremost knowledge base in the World the Encyclopedia Britannica 98â, it is there in glorious detail.
To crown it all it is stated in the âGovernmentâs Acceptable Use Policyâ that logs are maintained to keep track of when, where and from what networked computer Internet access has been allowed or deniedRemember being scared of the dark is no excuse for not going to sleep that is called insomnia! In this modern world there exists two types of pedestrians the quick and the dead, for us in Guyana, we are becoming âthe deadâ, slowly climbing the ladder of success âWRONG by WRONG!â
Harold E. Hopkinson and lots Cyber friends
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god | posted 10-27-98 01:46 PM ET (US) sounds like cyber -access/facilities alone will fix the country's problems, created by the waste side pnc, and became totally umanageable |
leslie | posted 10-27-98 02:15 PM ET (US) Hari As usual you do not see an injustice here. This government cannot hide or hide access to information from the people. The PPP/C complained all the time about censorship and oppression when they were out of power. This is both. It was wrong then and it is wrong now. They are denying access to the world, something every nation on the planet except for a few, embrace as a new horizon. It is another example of their nearsightedness...not to mention yours |
god | posted 10-27-98 02:38 PM ET (US) les, yu can pull plenty hag hair outta yu eyes and you guh still na see dat the wreckage is beyond repair. Why yu so disgusting? |
leslie | posted 10-27-98 02:49 PM ET (US) Hari If its beyond repair why do you worry? I on the other hand think not..I complain because I know it can be a better place. |
Nufrespect | posted 10-27-98 02:49 PM ET (US) They are scared of giving the people information to the outside world, and when they make it available it cost an arm and a leg. Then they give you you a baud rate that makes a Yugo look like a Ferrari racecar. This way people have to stay on line longer and rack up more bills. Do you know computers are the one commodity that aren't taxable when brought into the country? This is apparently how they get their taxable income back. god, have you been to the UG. There are no books there. How are people expected to do research. The internet makes this possible, but to the clowns in office this is an uneccessary evil, and it is a way of educating the man on the street. This would go against the grain. Let's not educate these people so we sound smart and they vote us in again. You ever heard the saying in NY? New Yorkers don't vote you in ... they only vote you out. The PPP/C's days are limited.
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god | posted 10-27-98 03:42 PM ET (US) Gy is special. The cost of lost info or lost opportunity when pnc stole day and night cannot be mended now. Pushing a cable into everyone's backside in GY is like buggering dem twice without an apology! What about dat for free speech? |
D O V E | posted 10-27-98 04:41 PM ET (US) The debate is great but the objective of this topic is to assist in finding a solution to the necessary or unecessary evil that is called governmental restrictions. God, It makes no sense to spout what you call comments if you don't seen the need for resolutions or any party in power. Not being able to get past 'OUR PAST' is one of the reasons that repitition is a main artery we continue to live by. Your point of view is great for discussion here but isn't it a shame that we can't get input from those in Guyana who are facing the stringent methods just to gain access to this venue? Nufrespect, Kudos on the UG comment I have a cousin just assigned another subject as a lecturer, guess what I'm sending her the material which she has to research in order to enter the classroom as an abled and competent professional charged with teaching at UG. The internet access would certainly increase her opportunity of being familiar and comfortable with topics she's charged to lecture in. Leslie, You're right if we don't complain, we don't get change. If we did venture in here, we'd never have established the growth of understanding and rapport we have as fellow humans and Guyanese on the internet. ...so who's going to send a letter in additon to disscussion??? |
leslie | posted 10-27-98 04:44 PM ET (US) Hari It is the expected answer from you. The moral thing to do when even your friend is doing wrong is to tell him. When it is your country's govt., it is an obligation. If you can't see something as obvious as this what will you see....well I know the PNC!!! |
BK | posted 10-27-98 05:11 PM ET (US) Dove, It is a pity that this site is maintained by the our Ambassador's son to USA, or else those of us here could, as a group (with the exception of a few people -- so its seems), sign a petition in favour of the Guyanese people's right to "freedom of the press and information".
The PPP/C has adopted the education policy of the PNC government, that is the total neglect and hence further erosion of the school system. (They have brand new buildings, but no trained teachers or teaching materials). Once the people are ignorant of their rights and are unable to question the policies and practices of the PPP/C, they would eventually come to believe that they have carte blanche. |
god | posted 10-28-98 09:59 AM ET (US) BK is misleading when she says there is no trained teachers. This is a focus once more and has been on going since the ppp govt assumed office. If there is not enough trained teachers, then that is a different story. Should the ppp govt import teachers or take uneducated folks off the streets, which the pnc left and make them into teachers? Which one do you guys prefer? |
Nufrespect | posted 10-28-98 11:22 AM ET (US) god, Like the rapp song says..... You betta check yuhself before yuh wreck yuhself. Answer these two questions for me please. 1. When last were you home? 2. Did you visit any educational facilities? Ie., University or Secondary school. |
leslie | posted 10-28-98 11:52 AM ET (US) Nuff According to Hari he went home 3 mths ago. When he came back he had the board all messed up with the posting about the misery, filth and bad manners at home. I have to re read his postings around that time to check out if âno teachersâ was on his list of things absent or bad in Guyana. |
D O V E | posted 10-28-98 01:14 PM ET (US) BK, I know just what you mean, it seems once again the situation is one of 'who you know and who knows you' Leslie, I thought I was alone in your observations but I'm glad that you and Nuf have made points that are quite valid and appropriate. God, Uneducated or not when will the everyday Guyanese be able to join a world that has and continues to leave them far behind in basic rights and capabilities. |
god | posted 10-28-98 01:55 PM ET (US) Dovey, Basic rights are now prevalent in GY. The old pnc is shattering the basic rights by not allowing students and teachers to traverse the city to and from their schools. I uphold learning and scientific advancement but not when priorities such as freedom of movement are underhandingly been jeopardized by a socalled "learned" opposition leader. |
D O V E | posted 10-29-98 09:09 AM ET (US) God, Point well taken but how and when will the unlearned take up their own proverbial crosses and bear the burden of self progress... if complacency continue to dictate the status of many then in trying to help out in this aspect is a moot point.... However, I personally would like to bypass all this with the futurist vision of what's to come in the form of the next generation. |
god | posted 10-29-98 09:55 AM ET (US) When GY was being battered, we moved out. No one expected that in the future there was going to be an abundance of talented Gyese abroad. The scenario is continuing in GY where even if the govt of the day is entrenched in superb educational programs , resulting in brilliant individuals, the fear exists that the pnc or any future govt will "gobble it all up and spill the rich milk". People are not yet willing to "trust" the(ir) future in GY. Presently, they are not declining any opportunity to go abroad. Educating via technology is more than welcome. Censorship, if any, should be extremely minimal. Every country/ govt has some form of censorship. However, the outcomes and long term gains are still my greatest concerns, given the local political umbrella. |
Nufrespect | posted 10-29-98 10:16 AM ET (US) god, A few years back I recall reading a statement by a fellow Guyanese. He said... Guyana is braindead .... anyone with any sense has left the country. Expatriots are not readily welcomed in Guyana. Those at home feel overlooked when the expatriots return and take the jobs that they were in line for. Do you see any input on these pages coming from Guyanese residing in Guyana? The fact that it would cost them an arm and a leg to respond to some of these idiotic topics makes it quite unlikely they would want to socialise with some overseas egotistical goons. Also ... the fact that the authors on these threads only write during the work day, really says a lot about us. We can solve Guyana's problems while getting paid on the job in the US. Let's face the facts, we're not solving any problems here, we're just liming in a hi-tech manner, and gaffing about Guyana's state. It's just like being back home, all we are missing is the bottle of XM being passed around, even though when I read some of these responses I do believe some of us are drinking as we post.
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BK | posted 10-29-98 11:41 AM ET (US) Nuff, Precisely. In others words we are busing a lime in cyber "space". But it seems that some of the "hard-lined politicians" on this forum cannot tell the difference. |
D O V E | posted 10-29-98 12:51 PM ET (US) Nuff, Ouch man that one stings.... but I can't totally disagree, it's a slap in the face to go home to Gy and have scorn thrown in your face with the words of 'foreigner' in the house... whu yuh can spare meh, eh???' |
Posted by B.Ramharack on October 30, 1998 at 03:42:23:
In Reply to: Re: This site posted by B.Ramharack on October 30, 1998 at 03:40:53:
: Dear Daniel:
: Thanks for responding to our website. One would hope that you are capable of channeling the rage which emanates from your letter into a more constructive and civil discourse on some of the issue raised at this site. While we may not be able to resolve all the issues that seems to create confusion in your mind, allow me to respond to some of the questions you raised.
: First to begin, without having your facts grounded in reality, you are making a number of rash assumptions in your letter, namely:
: a) We are all living abroad. Indeed , some of us do live in Guyana, as difficult as this may be for you to accept. We have a legitimate right to respond to threats, perceiver or real, to our security like anyone else whenever our community is under attack. Twenty-eight years of PNC oppression cannot be forgotten easily.
: b) Guyanese living abroad should not have a say in whay happens in our country. The many Guyanese who were exiled abroad were the ones who contributed through remittances to keep Guyana economically viable and lobbied hard to bring an end to PNC disctatorship. By your own logic, Dr Walter Rodney should not have condemned racism in Africa and Burnham should not have condemned apartheid in South Africa.
: c) Those Indians who speak out against injustice in Guyana are racists. A racist, accordingly to Stokeley Carmichael, in his book Black Rage, is someone who controls political power and can inflict harm to an entire group or race of people. Where has this happen in Guyana's history? We are always at the brunt of violence. What happen on January 12th when Africans unleashed a rage of violence against innocent Indians is a shame and low point in our human relations. Where is the glory in beating, robbing and molesting innocent Indian women and children?
: d)Indians in Guyana have political power. The PPP is supported by the majority of Indians, but Indians do not control the pillars of power in Guyana: the bureaucracy, disciplined forces, and the ability to wage destructive violence and shut down the country.
: I will be the first to admit that Indians living in the US have benefitted from the struggles of African-Americans. But, lets not confuse the issue. It was Africans who wilfully subjugated Indians in Guyana for 28 years. And while we are on this topic, it was the US who helped create that situation and help prop up the dictator. Those who came to American shores had a right to do so. In a sense, it was payback time. They also worked hard and contributed to the social programs designed to support the needy.
: You are more confused about federalism and partition. Despite the many discourses on the concept of federalism in Sabroek News, you, like the PNC are still determined to confuse the two. Most countries have a federalised structure or a system that devolves power, even tiny St Kitts-Nevis and Trinidad/Tobago. Such a system will diffuse the ethnic conflict that pollutes our society. We have also proposed other structural and distributional mechanisms designed not to achieve an "Elysian ethnic bliss" but to address the ethnic security dilemma.
: However, your real underlying motive becomes obvious when you suggest that "Afro Guyanese and Amerindians cannot take for granted the benevolence of Indian dominance in ...Berbice". This is quite an amazing statement. We are suggesting that its not a question about benevolence but one of security, which Africans will possess in Demerara. More importantly though, your statement implies that it is Africans and Amerindians who should DECIDE who will control the national patrimony (not Indians)and Indians should have no say in this matter. Indians cannot afford to take that chance, not after 28 years. Guyana belongs to all of us.
: As Samuel Huntington suggests, the new struggles in the worlk today will revolve around the question of ethnicity. We must learn from ours and others experience. The multiethnic paradigm you talked so nonchalantly about is not working in Guyana because we cannot lump everyone into one and call them the Guyaese working class. It was Walter Rodney who recognised that Indians and Africans should develop their own leadership at the national level and then work from there. Federalism will led to a more practical multi-ethnic society.
: We cannot speak for Africans, because we will never be able to do so. We can only speak for Indians and articulate their sentiments and concern. There are many groups in Guyana that speak for Africans, including ACDA, Pan-African Movement, NET, WPA and PNC. We are simply raising our voices and playing by the same rules by which others are playing.
: I hope we can continue in this discourse.
There is no way Cheddi Jagan on Earth, heaven or hell will have ever chosen another East Indian over his wife. So lets move on.
Wow Stromborn. Thank you for posting these. These are memorable. I would have to find a way to save these. I only became aware of GNI in 2006 when a friend from Canada sent me a link saying I should see the action here instead of Guyanagazette. When these conversations were taking place I was a kid and young economist at Bank of Guyana. We did not have access to internet in those days. We did calculations by hand and calculator and eventually by Lotus and quickly to Microsoft Excel. I saw several posts from April 1999. April 12, 1999 is important for me because that's the day I got a letter from the British High Commissioner outlining my British Chevening Scholarship award that was fully funded by the British taxpayers. Although I was not in cyber world, I was on the ground in Guyana taking on the PPP. In 1998 I made a complete break from the PPP. I realized early that the PPP is the bane of East Indians in Guyana. I am even more certain of that today. The PPP is a horrible and truly evil political party. It is slowly taking the patrimony away from Guyanese human beings, children of slaves, indenture servants and Indigenous peoples, and gifting it to a few locals and foreigners.