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President Obama speech full text transcript

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President Barack Obama from the Oval Office on Sunday Night 12/6/15:

Good evening. On Wednesday, 14 Americans were killed as they came together to celebrate the holidays. They were taken from family and friends who loved them deeply. They were white and black, Latino and Asian, immigrants, and American born, moms and dads, daughters and sons. Each of them served their fellow citizens. All of them were part of our American family.

Tonight I want to talk with you about this tragedy, the broader threat of terrorism and how we can keep our country safe. The FBI is still gathering the facts about what happened in San Bernardino, but here’s what we know. The victims were brutally murdered and injured by one of their co-workers and his wife. So far, we have no evidence that the killers were directed by a terrorist organization overseas or that they were part of a broader conspiracy here at home. But it is clear that the two of them had gone down the dark path of radicalization, embracing a perverted interpretation of Islam that calls for war against America and the West. They had stockpiled assault weapons, ammunition, and pipe bombs.

So this was an act of terrorism designed to kill innocent people. Our nation has been at war with terrorists since Al Qaeda killed nearly 3,000 Americans on 9/11. In the process, we’ve hardened our defenses, from airports, to financial centers, to other critical infrastructure. Intelligence and law enforcement agencies have disrupted countless plots here and overseas and worked around the clock to keep us safe.

Our military and counterterrorism professionals have relentlessly pursued terrorist networks overseas, disrupting safe havens in several different countries, killing Osama Bin Laden, and decimating Al Qaeda’s leadership.

Over the last few years, however, the terrorist threat has evolved into a new phase. As we’ve become better at preventing complex multifaceted attacks like 9/11, terrorists turn to less complicated acts of violence like the mass shootings that are all too common in our society. It is this type of attack that we saw at Fort Hood in 2009, in Chattanooga earlier this year, and now in San Bernardino.

And as groups like ISIL grew stronger amidst the chaos of war in Iraq and then Syria, and as the Internet erases the distance between countries, we see growing efforts by terrorists to poison the minds of people like the Boston Marathon bombers and the San Bernardino killers.

For seven years, I’ve confronted this evolving threat each and every morning in my intelligence briefing, and since the day I took this office, I have authorized U.S. forces to take out terrorists abroad precisely because I know how real the danger is.

As commander in chief, I have no greater responsibility than the security of the American people.

As a father to two young daughters who are the most precious part of my life, I know that we see ourselves with friends and co-workers at a holiday party like the one in San Bernardino. I know we see our kids in the faces of the young people killed in Paris.

And I know that after so much war, many Americans are asking whether we are confronted by a cancer that has no immediate cure.

OBAMA: Well, here’s what I want you to know. The threat from terrorism is real, but we will overcome it. We will destroy ISIL and any other organization that tries to harm us. Our success won’t depend on tough talk, or abandoning our values or giving into fear. That’s what groups like ISIL are hoping for. Instead, we will prevail by being strong and smart, resilient and relentless. And by drawing upon every aspect of American power.

Here’s how. First, our military will continue to hunt down terrorist plotters in any country where it is necessary. In Iraq and Syria, air strikes are taking out ISIL leaders, heavy weapons, oil tankers, infrastructure.

And since attacks in Paris, our closest allies, including France, Germany, and the United Kingdom, have ramped up their contributions to our military campaign which will help us accelerate our effort to destroy ISIL.

Second, we will continue to provide training and equipment to tens of thousands of Iraqi and Syrian forces fighting ISIL on the ground so that we take away their safe havens.

In both countries, we’re deploying special operations forces who can accelerate that offensive. We’ve stepped up this effort since the attacks in Paris, and will continue to invest more in approaches that are working on the ground.

Third, we’re working with friends and allies to stop ISIL’s operations, to disrupt plots, cut off their financing, and prevent them from recruiting more fighters.

Since the attacks in Paris, we’ve surged merged intelligence sharing with our European allies. We’re working with Turkey to seal its border with Syria, and we are cooperating with Muslim majority countries, and with our Muslim communities here at home, to counter the vicious ideology that ISIL promotes online.

Fourth, with American leadership, the international community has begun to establish a process and timeline to pursue cease-fires and a political resolution to the Syrian war.

Doing so will allow the Syrian people and every country, including our allies, but also countries like Russia, to focus on the common goal of destroying ISIL, a group that threatens us all.

This is our strategy to destroy ISIL. It is designed and supported by our military commanders and counterterrorism experts, together with 65 countries that have joined an American-led coalition. And we constantly examine our strategy to determine when additional steps are needed to get the job done.

That’s why I’ve ordered the Departments of State and Homeland Security to review the visa waiver program under which the female terrorist in San Bernardino originally came to this country. And that’s why I will urge high-tech and law enforcement leaders to make it harder for terrorists to use technology to escape from justice.

Now, here at home, we have to work together to address the challenge. There are several steps that Congress should take right away. To begin with, Congress should act to make sure no one on a no- fly list is able to buy a gun. What could possibly be the argument for allowing a terrorist suspect to buy a semiautomatic weapon? This is a matter of national security.

We also need to make it harder for people to buy powerful assault weapons, like the ones that were used in San Bernardino. I know there are some who reject any gun-safety measures, but the fact is that our intelligence and law-enforcement agencies, no matter how effective they are, cannot identify every would-be mass shooter, whether that individual was motivated by ISIL or some other hateful ideology.

What we can do, and must do, is make it harder for them to kill.

Next, we should put in place stronger screening for those who come to America without a visa so that we can take a hard look at whether they’ve traveled to war zones. And we’re working with members of both parties in Congress to do exactly that.

Finally, if Congress believes, as I do, that we are at war with ISIL, it should go ahead and vote to authorize the continued use of military force against these terrorists.

For over a year, I have ordered our military to take thousands of air strikes against ISIL targets. I think it’s time for Congress to vote to demonstrate that the American people are united and committed to this fight.

My fellow Americans, these are the steps that we can take together to defeat the terrorist threat.

Let me now say a word about what we should not do. We should not be drawn once more into a long and costly ground war in Iraq or Syria. That’s what groups like ISIL want. They know they can’t defeat us on the battlefield. ISIL fighters were part of the insurgency that we faced in Iraq. But they also know that if we occupy foreign lands, they can maintain insurgencies for years, killing thousands of our troops and draining our resources, and using our presence to draw new recruits.

The strategy that we are using now — air strikes, special forces, and working with local forces who are fighting to regain control of their own country — that is how we’ll achieve a more sustainable victory, and it won’t require us sending a new generation of Americans overseas to fight and die for another decade on foreign soil.

Here’s what else we cannot do. We cannot turn against one another by letting this fight be defined as a war between America and Islam. That, too, is what groups like ISIL want.

ISIL does not speak for Islam. They are thugs and killers, part of a cult of death. And they account for a tiny fraction of a more than a billion Muslims around the world, including millions of patriotic Muslim-Americans who reject their hateful ideology.

Moreover, the vast majority of terrorist victims around the world are Muslim.

If we’re to succeed in defeating terrorism, we must enlist Muslim communities as some of our strongest allies, rather than push them away through suspicion and hate.

That does not mean denying the fact that an extremist ideology has spread within some Muslim communities. It’s a real problem that Muslims must confront without excuse.

Muslim leaders here and around the globe have to continue working with us to decisively and unequivocally reject the hateful ideology that groups like ISIL and Al Qaeda promote, to speak out against not just acts of violence, but also those interpretations of Islam that are incompatible with the values of religious tolerance, mutual respect, and human dignity.

But just as it is the responsibility of Muslims around the world to root out misguided ideas that lead to radicalization, it is the responsibility of all Americans, of every faith, to reject discrimination. It is our responsibility to reject religious tests on who we admit into this country. It’s our responsibility to reject proposals that Muslim-Americans should somehow be treated differently. Because when we travel down that road, we lose. That kind of divisiveness, that betrayal of our values plays into the hands of groups like ISIL.

Muslim-Americans are our friends and our neighbors, our co- workers, our sports heroes. And, yes, they are our men and women in uniform who are willing to die in defense of our country. We have to remember that.

My fellow Americans, I am confident we will succeed in this mission because we are on the right side of history. We were founded upon a belief in human dignity that no matter who you are, or where you come from, or what you look like or what religion you practice, you are equal in the eyes of God and equal in the eyes of the law. Even in this political season, even as we properly debate what steps I and future presidents must take to keep our country safe. Let’s make sure we never forget what makes us exceptional. Let’s not forget that freedom is more powerful than fear. That we have always met challenges, whether war or depression, natural disasters or terrorist attacks, by coming together around our common ideals as one nation and one people.

So long as we stay true to that tradition, I have no doubt that America will prevail.

Thank you. God bless you. And may God bless the United States of America.

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President Obama speech full text transcript

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President Barack Obama from the Oval Office on Sunday Night 12/6/15:

Good evening. On Wednesday, 14 Americans were killed as they came together to celebrate the holidays. They were taken from family and friends who loved them deeply. They were white and black, Latino and Asian, immigrants, and American born, moms and dads, daughters and sons. Each of them served their fellow citizens. All of them were part of our American family.

Tonight I want to talk with you about this tragedy, the broader threat of terrorism and how we can keep our country safe. The FBI is still gathering the facts about what happened in San Bernardino, but here’s what we know. The victims were brutally murdered and injured by one of their co-workers and his wife. So far, we have no evidence that the killers were directed by a terrorist organization overseas or that they were part of a broader conspiracy here at home. But it is clear that the two of them had gone down the dark path of radicalization, embracing a perverted interpretation of Islam that calls for war against America and the West. They had stockpiled assault weapons, ammunition, and pipe bombs.

So this was an act of terrorism designed to kill innocent people. Our nation has been at war with terrorists since Al Qaeda killed nearly 3,000 Americans on 9/11. In the process, we’ve hardened our defenses, from airports, to financial centers, to other critical infrastructure. Intelligence and law enforcement agencies have disrupted countless plots here and overseas and worked around the clock to keep us safe.

Our military and counterterrorism professionals have relentlessly pursued terrorist networks overseas, disrupting safe havens in several different countries, killing Osama Bin Laden, and decimating Al Qaeda’s leadership.

Over the last few years, however, the terrorist threat has evolved into a new phase. As we’ve become better at preventing complex multifaceted attacks like 9/11, terrorists turn to less complicated acts of violence like the mass shootings that are all too common in our society. It is this type of attack that we saw at Fort Hood in 2009, in Chattanooga earlier this year, and now in San Bernardino.

And as groups like ISIL grew stronger amidst the chaos of war in Iraq and then Syria, and as the Internet erases the distance between countries, we see growing efforts by terrorists to poison the minds of people like the Boston Marathon bombers and the San Bernardino killers.

For seven years, I’ve confronted this evolving threat each and every morning in my intelligence briefing, and since the day I took this office, I have authorized U.S. forces to take out terrorists abroad precisely because I know how real the danger is.

As commander in chief, I have no greater responsibility than the security of the American people.

As a father to two young daughters who are the most precious part of my life, I know that we see ourselves with friends and co-workers at a holiday party like the one in San Bernardino. I know we see our kids in the faces of the young people killed in Paris.

And I know that after so much war, many Americans are asking whether we are confronted by a cancer that has no immediate cure.

OBAMA: Well, here’s what I want you to know. The threat from terrorism is real, but we will overcome it. We will destroy ISIL and any other organization that tries to harm us. Our success won’t depend on tough talk, or abandoning our values or giving into fear. That’s what groups like ISIL are hoping for. Instead, we will prevail by being strong and smart, resilient and relentless. And by drawing upon every aspect of American power.

Here’s how. First, our military will continue to hunt down terrorist plotters in any country where it is necessary. In Iraq and Syria, air strikes are taking out ISIL leaders, heavy weapons, oil tankers, infrastructure.

And since attacks in Paris, our closest allies, including France, Germany, and the United Kingdom, have ramped up their contributions to our military campaign which will help us accelerate our effort to destroy ISIL.

Second, we will continue to provide training and equipment to tens of thousands of Iraqi and Syrian forces fighting ISIL on the ground so that we take away their safe havens.

In both countries, we’re deploying special operations forces who can accelerate that offensive. We’ve stepped up this effort since the attacks in Paris, and will continue to invest more in approaches that are working on the ground.

Third, we’re working with friends and allies to stop ISIL’s operations, to disrupt plots, cut off their financing, and prevent them from recruiting more fighters.

Since the attacks in Paris, we’ve surged merged intelligence sharing with our European allies. We’re working with Turkey to seal its border with Syria, and we are cooperating with Muslim majority countries, and with our Muslim communities here at home, to counter the vicious ideology that ISIL promotes online.

Fourth, with American leadership, the international community has begun to establish a process and timeline to pursue cease-fires and a political resolution to the Syrian war.

Doing so will allow the Syrian people and every country, including our allies, but also countries like Russia, to focus on the common goal of destroying ISIL, a group that threatens us all.

This is our strategy to destroy ISIL. It is designed and supported by our military commanders and counterterrorism experts, together with 65 countries that have joined an American-led coalition. And we constantly examine our strategy to determine when additional steps are needed to get the job done.

That’s why I’ve ordered the Departments of State and Homeland Security to review the visa waiver program under which the female terrorist in San Bernardino originally came to this country. And that’s why I will urge high-tech and law enforcement leaders to make it harder for terrorists to use technology to escape from justice.

Now, here at home, we have to work together to address the challenge. There are several steps that Congress should take right away. To begin with, Congress should act to make sure no one on a no- fly list is able to buy a gun. What could possibly be the argument for allowing a terrorist suspect to buy a semiautomatic weapon? This is a matter of national security.

We also need to make it harder for people to buy powerful assault weapons, like the ones that were used in San Bernardino. I know there are some who reject any gun-safety measures, but the fact is that our intelligence and law-enforcement agencies, no matter how effective they are, cannot identify every would-be mass shooter, whether that individual was motivated by ISIL or some other hateful ideology.

What we can do, and must do, is make it harder for them to kill.

Next, we should put in place stronger screening for those who come to America without a visa so that we can take a hard look at whether they’ve traveled to war zones. And we’re working with members of both parties in Congress to do exactly that.

Finally, if Congress believes, as I do, that we are at war with ISIL, it should go ahead and vote to authorize the continued use of military force against these terrorists.

For over a year, I have ordered our military to take thousands of air strikes against ISIL targets. I think it’s time for Congress to vote to demonstrate that the American people are united and committed to this fight.

My fellow Americans, these are the steps that we can take together to defeat the terrorist threat.

Let me now say a word about what we should not do. We should not be drawn once more into a long and costly ground war in Iraq or Syria. That’s what groups like ISIL want. They know they can’t defeat us on the battlefield. ISIL fighters were part of the insurgency that we faced in Iraq. But they also know that if we occupy foreign lands, they can maintain insurgencies for years, killing thousands of our troops and draining our resources, and using our presence to draw new recruits.

The strategy that we are using now — air strikes, special forces, and working with local forces who are fighting to regain control of their own country — that is how we’ll achieve a more sustainable victory, and it won’t require us sending a new generation of Americans overseas to fight and die for another decade on foreign soil.

Here’s what else we cannot do. We cannot turn against one another by letting this fight be defined as a war between America and Islam. That, too, is what groups like ISIL want.

ISIL does not speak for Islam. They are thugs and killers, part of a cult of death. And they account for a tiny fraction of a more than a billion Muslims around the world, including millions of patriotic Muslim-Americans who reject their hateful ideology.

Moreover, the vast majority of terrorist victims around the world are Muslim.

If we’re to succeed in defeating terrorism, we must enlist Muslim communities as some of our strongest allies, rather than push them away through suspicion and hate.

That does not mean denying the fact that an extremist ideology has spread within some Muslim communities. It’s a real problem that Muslims must confront without excuse.

Muslim leaders here and around the globe have to continue working with us to decisively and unequivocally reject the hateful ideology that groups like ISIL and Al Qaeda promote, to speak out against not just acts of violence, but also those interpretations of Islam that are incompatible with the values of religious tolerance, mutual respect, and human dignity.

But just as it is the responsibility of Muslims around the world to root out misguided ideas that lead to radicalization, it is the responsibility of all Americans, of every faith, to reject discrimination. It is our responsibility to reject religious tests on who we admit into this country. It’s our responsibility to reject proposals that Muslim-Americans should somehow be treated differently. Because when we travel down that road, we lose. That kind of divisiveness, that betrayal of our values plays into the hands of groups like ISIL.

Muslim-Americans are our friends and our neighbors, our co- workers, our sports heroes. And, yes, they are our men and women in uniform who are willing to die in defense of our country. We have to remember that.

My fellow Americans, I am confident we will succeed in this mission because we are on the right side of history. We were founded upon a belief in human dignity that no matter who you are, or where you come from, or what you look like or what religion you practice, you are equal in the eyes of God and equal in the eyes of the law. Even in this political season, even as we properly debate what steps I and future presidents must take to keep our country safe. Let’s make sure we never forget what makes us exceptional. Let’s not forget that freedom is more powerful than fear. That we have always met challenges, whether war or depression, natural disasters or terrorist attacks, by coming together around our common ideals as one nation and one people.

So long as we stay true to that tradition, I have no doubt that America will prevail.

Thank you. God bless you. And may God bless the United States of America.

 

V

He comes across as well meaning. However, my sense is that the American public, after the recent event in California, does not trust him to protect them. He has lost all credibility and I believe this will be part of his eroding legacy. The republican talking heads will tear his plan apart...many of them never liked the fact that an African-American was elected in the first place. 

V

dude, stop your nonsense . . . read carefully and learn a little something about LEADERSHIP!

remember EBOLA! and how Obama stood against the same usual suspect fearmongering skonts who have crawled out of their holes once again . . . sensing coward opportunity

how is real HISTORY treating those same braying arseholes one year on, eh?

grow up

FM
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redux posted:

dude, stop your nonsense . . . read carefully and learn a little something about LEADERSHIP!

remember EBOLA! and how Obama stood against the same usual suspect fearmongering skonts who have crawled out of their holes again . . . sensing coward opportunity

how is real HISTORY treating those same braying arseholes one year on, eh?

grow up

Credibility is a real issue with Obama.  Most are looking past him now.

FM
redux posted:
baseman posted:

He talks a good game!  He seems always behind the ball!

intellectual featherweigh, make a consequential contribution for a change nah

Not too much need to be said, he is in everyone's rear view mirror!

FM
baseman posted:
redux posted:

dude, stop your nonsense . . . read carefully and learn a little something about LEADERSHIP!

remember EBOLA! and how Obama stood against the same usual suspect fearmongering skonts who have crawled out of their holes again . . . sensing coward opportunity

how is real HISTORY treating those same braying arseholes one year on, eh?

grow up

Credibility is a real issue with Obama.  Most are looking past him now.

how can they "look past" him fool . . . he remains President of the United States for the next year and change

u continue to reach for the cute one liner end up clutching a fistfull of wet shit once again

bile and limited intellect is a most unfortunate mix for stupids like u

smfh

FM
redux posted:
baseman posted:
redux posted:

dude, stop your nonsense . . . read carefully and learn a little something about LEADERSHIP!

remember EBOLA! and how Obama stood against the same usual suspect fearmongering skonts who have crawled out of their holes again . . . sensing coward opportunity

how is real HISTORY treating those same braying arseholes one year on, eh?

grow up

Credibility is a real issue with Obama.  Most are looking past him now.

how can they "look past" him fool . . . he remains President of the United States for the next year and change

u continue to reach for the cute one liner end up clutching a fistfull of wet shit once again

bile and limited intellect is a most unfortunate mix for stupids like u

smfh

Ever heard of the term "lame duck"?  Look it up!

FM
baseman posted:
redux posted:
baseman posted:
redux posted:

dude, stop your nonsense . . . read carefully and learn a little something about LEADERSHIP!

remember EBOLA! and how Obama stood against the same usual suspect fearmongering skonts who have crawled out of their holes again . . . sensing coward opportunity

how is real HISTORY treating those same braying arseholes one year on, eh?

grow up

Credibility is a real issue with Obama.  Most are looking past him now.

how can they "look past" him fool . . . he remains President of the United States for the next year and change

u continue to reach for the cute one liner end up clutching a fistfull of wet shit once again

bile and limited intellect is a most unfortunate mix for stupids like u

smfh

Ever heard of the term "lame duck"?  Look it up!

so he's a lame duck . . . what of it?

US foreign policy is firmly in his hands alone until 2017

yes, go look up "lame duck" and get a proper education

step away lil from the Fox News for klowns convention

FM
VishMahabir posted:

He comes across as well meaning. However, my sense is that the American public, after the recent event in California, does not trust him to protect them. He has lost all credibility and I believe this will be part of his eroding legacy. The republican talking heads will tear his plan apart...many of them never liked the fact that an African-American was elected in the first place. 

He has lost all credibility.............Name the things he did that made him lose his credibility.

tear his plan apart......explain what his plan is other than what is posted in his speech tonight.

 

VMahabir, you just can't write things like these without the benefit of explaining what these are.

Kari
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Lame duck or not, President Obama tonight did the right thing and assured the American people that his administration is taking resolute measures against ISIL and terrorism, inside and outside the US. That's what leadership is about. If Mr Obama did not make such an address, he would have faced justifiable criticism. Of course, we can expect Republicans and the other usual suspects to find fault with President Obama's speech. That's politics.

FM

According to Donald Trump, he can't wait for Obama to get the he'll out of the white house so that Republicans can put America first and protect the homeland and destroy ISIS.  Bombs run out under Obama administration to fight ISIS. Tonight he is talking tough. Tomorrow, he will bow before his enemies. 

FM
redux posted:

dude, stop your nonsense . . . read carefully and learn a little something about LEADERSHIP!

remember EBOLA! and how Obama stood against the same usual suspect fearmongering skonts who have crawled out of their holes once again . . . sensing coward opportunity

how is real HISTORY treating those same braying arseholes one year on, eh?

grow up

You make no sense here.  

The President is showing leadership, but its too little, too late. Leadership implies that at least a majority of the people will support him. About 60% of the American public (Rep and Dem) dont support him on this issue and believe he has been weak in taking on ISIS. He will have a difficult regaining that support. 

He is indeed a lame duck...and his policy regarding ISIS has not been consistent. This makes trump looks like a hero.

V
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VishMahabir posted:
redux posted:

dude, stop your nonsense . . . read carefully and learn a little something about LEADERSHIP!

remember EBOLA! and how Obama stood against the same usual suspect fearmongering skonts who have crawled out of their holes once again . . . sensing coward opportunity

how is real HISTORY treating those same braying arseholes one year on, eh?

grow up

You make no sense here.  

The President is showing leadership, but its too little, too late. Leadership implies that at least a majority of the people will support him. About 60% of the American public (Rep and Dem) dont support him on this issue and believe he has been weak in taking on ISIS. He will have a difficult regaining that support. 

He is indeed a lame duck...and his policy regarding ISIS has not been consistent. This makes trump looks like a hero.

your take on "leadership" is that of a moron!

do u know what was the level of support for Obama's CORRECT ebola policies a year ago?

smfh

FM
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Kari posted:
VishMahabir posted:

He comes across as well meaning. However, my sense is that the American public, after the recent event in California, does not trust him to protect them. He has lost all credibility and I believe this will be part of his eroding legacy. The republican talking heads will tear his plan apart...many of them never liked the fact that an African-American was elected in the first place. 

He has lost all credibility.............Name the things he did that made him lose his credibility.

tear his plan apart......explain what his plan is other than what is posted in his speech tonight.

 

VMahabir, you just can't write things like these without the benefit of explaining what these are.

The problem with his presidency, at this time, is that his foreign policy is not being seen as being consistent, sometimes confusing. ISIS was dubbed as a "Junior Varsity" team and at one time he said the US was winning the war against ISIS. Not being decisive over the last few months and sharing a credible plan with Americans over the year as to what was being done has made many Americans critical of what his policy towards Syria and ISIS is all about. Being decisive and showing leadership at a time when America is under terrorist attacked in CA  makes him look like he is reacting to situation, rather than having a credible plan  to prevent these incidence from occurring. Most polls indicate that Americans has lost faith in his ability to address this problem.  

The plan that he shared with Americans tonight may have been in the works all along, but it is coming across as if this is a new plan...I am saying that this should have been presented to the Americans a long  time ago...before the public opinion has turned.     

V
redux posted:
VishMahabir posted:
redux posted:

dude, stop your nonsense . . . read carefully and learn a little something about LEADERSHIP!

remember EBOLA! and how Obama stood against the same usual suspect fearmongering skonts who have crawled out of their holes once again . . . sensing coward opportunity

how is real HISTORY treating those same braying arseholes one year on, eh?

grow up

You make no sense here.  

The President is showing leadership, but its too little, too late. Leadership implies that at least a majority of the people will support him. About 60% of the American public (Rep and Dem) dont support him on this issue and believe he has been weak in taking on ISIS. He will have a difficult regaining that support. 

He is indeed a lame duck...and his policy regarding ISIS has not been consistent. This makes trump looks like a hero.

your take on "leadership" is that of a moron!

do u know what was the level of support for Obama's CORRECT ebola policies a year ago?

smfh

Banna you living in lala land...we on different planet...you on planet Ebola, me in the US

V
VishMahabir posted:
redux posted:
VishMahabir posted:
redux posted:

dude, stop your nonsense . . . read carefully and learn a little something about LEADERSHIP!

remember EBOLA! and how Obama stood against the same usual suspect fearmongering skonts who have crawled out of their holes once again . . . sensing coward opportunity

how is real HISTORY treating those same braying arseholes one year on, eh?

grow up

You make no sense here.  

The President is showing leadership, but its too little, too late. Leadership implies that at least a majority of the people will support him. About 60% of the American public (Rep and Dem) dont support him on this issue and believe he has been weak in taking on ISIS. He will have a difficult regaining that support. 

He is indeed a lame duck...and his policy regarding ISIS has not been consistent. This makes trump looks like a hero.

your take on "leadership" is that of a moron!

do u know what was the level of support for Obama's CORRECT ebola policies a year ago?

smfh

Banna you living in lala land...we on different planet...you on planet Ebola, me in the US

u are a confused member of the sheeple nation

i suggest u contemplate the nonsense u posted that i ran up the ridicule flagpole

FM
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VMahabir, you do not see the leadership of Obama in keeping America out of what ISIS wants - US troops in the Middle East for another decade and another trillion dollars.

VMahabir, you do not see the leadership of Obama in stopping ISIS advance since they marauded into the Sunni heartland of Iraq and sunni territories in Syria abandoned by Assad. ISIS gains in the summer of 2014 have been rolled back in Sinjar and now in Mosul. Raqqa has been bombed repeatedly and ISIS do not come out in the open.

 

VMahabir, you do not see the leadership of Obama in not bombing where there are civilians and children. You instaed see weakness that he doesn't bomb these children to smithereens and breed another generation of ISIS and Al Qaeda.

VMahabir, you do not see the leadership of Obama in getting the Shiite government in Iraq to work with Sunni leaders who want to get rid of ISIS but want no part of the Mahdi army.

 

VMahabir, you do not see the leadership of Obama in getting Turkey to stop the flow of foreign fighters to ISIS-held territories.

 

VMahabir, you have failed to show where Obama is not decisive and has no credible foreign policy plans. You have to have soldiers on te ground to enforce a safe haven. You have to have the Russian cooperation for a no-fly zone. The no-fly zone does not affect the aircraft-less ISIS.

 

I do not know what you have in mind VMahabir for what is credible and effective leadership. Like Donald Trump you are hiding behind words. What did Donald Trump tell you he would do differently? Nuke Iraq and Syria?

 

How can Trump prevent mass killings in America other than removing the instruments of these killings. We have not had an Al Qarda or ISIS planned and led attack on US soil since 9/11. The San Bernadino terrorists may have been inspired by ISIS but ISIS did not plan this attack. Yes, there were others involved and the FBI had nothing on the two killers. The US Visa system that Republican Congressional members are unwilling to change is what Obama has been asking to vet. Would Donald Trump have prevented these kinds of mass killings, which are likely to happen again - by white Christians, anti-abortionists, mentally ill as well as ISIS-inspired nuts.

 

 

Kari

U better re-check American people history. It is a society prone to killing people. Anyone in America could wake up one morning and decide to kill. U all could be living beside a person who could be a potential killer.  

Terrible place to live in. 

 

S

!.6 Billion people, even 0.5 % fanatics is a sizable number. Many of the young doan have a job.  According to Fareed Zakaria it is an army with a vengeful agenda. The USA is blamed for their state of impoverishment.

Let's not forget, Obama began his Presidency  conceding some how that America have a problem with the 1.6 Billion followers of Islam. I think in a way he blamed white people for their intolerance. And he still saying that. Now in the USA claiming that, his trip to Cairo din convince the 1.6 billion that he was on their side. What possibly could have been done for dem. 

S
redux posted:
President Obama speech full text transcript

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President Barack Obama from the Oval Office on Sunday Night 12/6/15:

 

 

That does not mean denying the fact that an extremist ideology has spread within some Muslim communities. It’s a real problem that Muslims must confront without excuse.

Muslim leaders here and around the globe have to continue working with us to decisively and unequivocally reject the hateful ideology that groups like ISIL and Al Qaeda promote, to speak out against not just acts of violence, but also those interpretations of Islam that are incompatible with the values of religious tolerance, mutual respect, and human dignity.

 

Thank you. God bless you. And may God bless the United States of America.

This is what some of us said, after the Paris attacks, and Kari gave birth to a cow.  I wonder if he will accuse Obama of being an ISIS sympathizer now that he says the same.

FM
baseman posted:

He talks a good game!  He seems always behind the ball!

So what should he have done? Invade?  Been there, done that and Iraq is a living example of why we shouldn't.  The gov't of Iraq said that they wanted US troops out.  Should the USA have remained an occupying force, having already destroyed that country, because of Bush?

FM

Obama should fortify America. Leave the Middle_eastern countries alone(notice I said countries and not muslims). Those people have always have a problem wid God. They are the anti-christ. False religions has always been their path. Isis simply is getting closer to end time prophesies-they themselves have said so. 

S

Chuck Todd of NBC's Meet the Press yesterday posed a question that has been the heart of our debates on this forum - Are we dealing with a perversion of the religion or a strain of it?

I've argued that anyone in the name of that religion who kills innocent people because God demands it is not part of that religion. That person is in fact attacking that religion.

 

Others here have argued that no, there are elements in Islam and its scriptures that justify these horrendous, barbaric acts.

 

The debate over whether Muslims should speak out, or whether they condone such barbarism or tacitly support it, etc. is more in the political realm. with facts and reason that is a debate that can be resolved. However I've always been addressing whether Islam says go gas innocents, lock up people (even battlefield enemies) in a cage and burn them alive, slam planes into buildings, etc. To this I say no. That's where people confuse the debate.

Kari

I hear you Nehru, but here's is a f I'm a Christian and there is a sect of Christianity that says the Bible states you must kill Muslims, Catholics and Jews to obey God then I would not say these people are Christians. I say they are criminal heretics. Now, is ISIS a legitimate strain of Islam or is it a criminal heretic organization that Islam is not part of?

 

To me it's in the political arena whether you say ISIS is Islamic or not. But in the religious realm they clearly are no of God or any religion, let alone Islam. It seems to be the politic thing to be suspicious of Middle Eastern men and women, no doubt. It is politic to be suspicious of people who wear Islamic clothing and attend mosques, yes. But is it correct to say Islam sanctions ISIS?

 

This is the conversation Itanamie and caribny and baseman (strange bedfellows, but united in their hatred of Islam) had been having all along. They do not see how Islam is abused and do their part to separate ISIS from Islam. Instead from day 1 it has been about attacking all Muslims for allowing ISIS to roam freely in ideology, religion and actually on the ground (where Obama's pounding of their asses have them retreating). Another point of confusion is that Islam inspires Paris and San Bernadino. No it didn't. ISIS inspired these, even if it had no part in the San Bernadino attacks.

 

the culprit is ISIS, not ISlam. ISIS wants the hatred of Islamic people by the West, and so Itanamie, caribny and baseman are all agents of ISIS in this regard, as is Donald Trump too.

Kari
Kari posted:

I hear you Nehru, but here's is a f I'm a Christian and there is a sect of Christianity that says the Bible states you must kill Muslims, Catholics and Jews to obey God then I would not say these people are Christians. I say they are criminal heretics. Now, is ISIS a legitimate strain of Islam or is it a criminal heretic organization that Islam is not part of?

 

To me it's in the political arena whether you say ISIS is Islamic or not. But in the religious realm they clearly are no of God or any religion, let alone Islam. It seems to be the politic thing to be suspicious of Middle Eastern men and women, no doubt. It is politic to be suspicious of people who wear Islamic clothing and attend mosques, yes. But is it correct to say Islam sanctions ISIS?

 

This is the conversation Itanamie and caribny and baseman (strange bedfellows, but united in their hatred of Islam) had been having all along. They do not see how Islam is abused and do their part to separate ISIS from Islam. Instead from day 1 it has been about attacking all Muslims for allowing ISIS to roam freely in ideology, religion and actually on the ground (where Obama's pounding of their asses have them retreating). Another point of confusion is that Islam inspires Paris and San Bernadino. No it didn't. ISIS inspired these, even if it had no part in the San Bernadino attacks.

 

the culprit is ISIS, not ISlam. ISIS wants the hatred of Islamic people by the West, and so Itanamie, caribny and baseman are all agents of ISIS in this regard, as is Donald Trump too.

Mostly converts of Islam kills for Islam in the West. As for Islam, India is a glaring example what they have done over 800 years ago. There are people in India who still carries those memories to this day. Gujrat was a reminder and Narendra Modi was associated with those riots. America is now experiencing  what India and Europe had to deal with centuries ago. Different times but the approach is the same. The plan came from a book written over 1500 years ago. Killing people remains the same.

Islam puts itself in harms way. Peaceful co-existence is not their practice. Simply, because they are different and strict adherence. Perhaps that is not a bad thing, but in a liberal society there will be conflicts. They are different in alot of ways.

I was told some time ago by an Iranian, "the last religion that comes upon the world will dominate it." They were waiting for the prophet. Perhaps, he is here and ISIS is the army. Maybe, Obama should confer with Christian Cleric and listen to what they have to say.

I think the President has this whole thing wrong.

If ISIS should be dominant. And it is the end times. People of their faith is already 1.6 billion and all over the world. Imagine. Just Imagine. I doan think they will fight against ISIS.

All of this can be fable. But the end times are in the Bible, but Christians will not kill the anti-christ. That is a battle for the host, because their is no earthly army can destroy the army of the god of earth.

Believers in Christ have to bear their chafe. 

S
Kari posted:
VishMahabir posted:

He comes across as well meaning. However, my sense is that the American public, after the recent event in California, does not trust him to protect them. He has lost all credibility and I believe this will be part of his eroding legacy. The republican talking heads will tear his plan apart...many of them never liked the fact that an African-American was elected in the first place. 

He has lost all credibility.............Name the things he did that made him lose his credibility.

tear his plan apart......explain what his plan is other than what is posted in his speech tonight.

 

VMahabir, you just can't write things like these without the benefit of explaining what these are.

He has no strategy, he makes it up as he goes along.  One day is this, next is that.  After over a year of bombing, after Paris, we decided to take out their oil assets and the French took out a big training center and ISIS admin buildings!  Exactly what were we bombing for a whole year?

FM
Vish M posted:

It is funny for a few pontificators on GNI to be judging our President.

Obama is a leader of the world.

 His briefing yesterday brought calm to a anxious nation

Sorry, you may have been in a slumber for a while.  Obama is leading from behind while Putin is deciding direction.  That banna is a lack-luster leader, if there is such!

FM
baseman posted:
Vish M posted:

It is funny for a few pontificators on GNI to be judging our President.

Obama is a leader of the world.

 His briefing yesterday brought calm to a anxious nation

Sorry, you may have been in a slumber for a while.  Obama is leading from behind while Putin is deciding direction.  That banna is a lack-luster leader, if there is such!

Out of his league. Imagine the man making a comment of seriousness, relating it to basketball. Dem white ppl better tek over dem country quick.

Atleast, they are familiar wid history and how to combat.

 

S
seignet posted:

Mostly converts of Islam kills for Islam in the West. As for Islam, India is a glaring example what they have done over 800 years ago. There are people in India who still carries those memories to this day. Gujrat was a reminder and Narendra Modi was associated with those riots. America is now experiencing  what India and Europe had to deal with centuries ago. Different times but the approach is the same. The plan came from a book written over 1500 years ago. Killing people remains the same.

Islam puts itself in harms way. Peaceful co-existence is not their practice. Simply, because they are different and strict adherence. Perhaps that is not a bad thing, but in a liberal society there will be conflicts. They are different in alot of ways.

I was told some time ago by an Iranian, "the last religion that comes upon the world will dominate it." They were waiting for the prophet. Perhaps, he is here and ISIS is the army. Maybe, Obama should confer with Christian Cleric and listen to what they have to say.

I think the President has this whole thing wrong.

If ISIS should be dominant. And it is the end times. People of their faith is already 1.6 billion and all over the world. Imagine. Just Imagine. I doan think they will fight against ISIS.

All of this can be fable. But the end times are in the Bible, but Christians will not kill the anti-christ. That is a battle for the host, because their is no earthly army can destroy the army of the god of earth.

Believers in Christ have to bear their chafe. 

A few thousand crazies bolstered by the secular Baathists thrown out by Bush has SeigHeil in fits about some horrible Islam taking over.

 

Think people....think!!!!

Kari
baseman posted:
Vish M posted:

It is funny for a few pontificators on GNI to be judging our President.

Obama is a leader of the world.

 His briefing yesterday brought calm to a anxious nation

Sorry, you may have been in a slumber for a while.  Obama is leading from behind while Putin is deciding direction.  That banna is a lack-luster leader, if there is such!

Seems like you're in a permanent slumber in da basement. Other than you, who else take you seriously? Seriously!

Kari
Kari posted:
seignet posted:

Mostly converts of Islam kills for Islam in the West. As for Islam, India is a glaring example what they have done over 800 years ago. There are people in India who still carries those memories to this day. Gujrat was a reminder and Narendra Modi was associated with those riots. America is now experiencing  what India and Europe had to deal with centuries ago. Different times but the approach is the same. The plan came from a book written over 1500 years ago. Killing people remains the same.

Islam puts itself in harms way. Peaceful co-existence is not their practice. Simply, because they are different and strict adherence. Perhaps that is not a bad thing, but in a liberal society there will be conflicts. They are different in alot of ways.

I was told some time ago by an Iranian, "the last religion that comes upon the world will dominate it." They were waiting for the prophet. Perhaps, he is here and ISIS is the army. Maybe, Obama should confer with Christian Cleric and listen to what they have to say.

I think the President has this whole thing wrong.

If ISIS should be dominant. And it is the end times. People of their faith is already 1.6 billion and all over the world. Imagine. Just Imagine. I doan think they will fight against ISIS.

All of this can be fable. But the end times are in the Bible, but Christians will not kill the anti-christ. That is a battle for the host, because their is no earthly army can destroy the army of the god of earth.

Believers in Christ have to bear their chafe. 

A few thousand crazies bolstered by the secular Baathists thrown out by Bush has SeigHeil in fits about some horrible Islam taking over.

 

Think people....think!!!!

And many many more living among us supporting them!

FM
Kari posted:
baseman posted:
Vish M posted:

It is funny for a few pontificators on GNI to be judging our President.

Obama is a leader of the world.

 His briefing yesterday brought calm to a anxious nation

Sorry, you may have been in a slumber for a while.  Obama is leading from behind while Putin is deciding direction.  That banna is a lack-luster leader, if there is such!

Seems like you're in a permanent slumber in da basement. Other than you, who else take you seriously? Seriously!

As I told you many times, the fact that you talk a lot does no mean you make sense, you just become the grave yard for a lot of flies!

The fact is MOST Americans don't have faith in his leadership.  Only die hards like you who think you can talk a lot and confuse the issue.

Kari, you are a clown, and not a very good one.

FM

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