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The PNC and the Armed Forces

 

As Guyana appears headed for another round of rigged elections under the leader of the PNC, this time Brigadier (Rtd) David Granger, history stands in danger of repeating itself. But as Marx warned, while the first time (under Burnham, in our instance) it is “tragedy”, the second time it will be a “farce”, since it is a caricature of the first. Which is really of no consequence to the folks under the new jackboots.


But the tragedy can recur only when those who suffered the first time around did not deal with the reasons for their tragedy. In the case of a new PNC dictatorship, these were the triad of institutions that Burnham controlled, which formed the pillars of his regime – the PNC party, the Bureaucracy/Civil Service, but especially the Armed/Disciplined Forces, which allowed him to do whatever he pleased – especially rigging elections.


In contrast to the other institutions, the Disciplined Forces were transmuted in form and size after 1969, when Burnham had already rigged elections; seized sole control of the Government by jettisoning the PNC’s erstwhile coalition partner the UF; and launched the Guyana Defence Force (1965). By then he had no need to make concessions to internal opposition forces, and the development of the Disciplined Forces provided a very reliable guide to Burnham’s political ideology, which interestingly was entrusted to a very junior officer: David Granger, who has vowed to fulfil Burnham’s legacy, and revealed he was “always PNC”.
Using as the rationale an aborted secessionist uprising in the remote Rupununi — which was put down by the 2nd Battalion of the GDF), in which now President Granger served as Adjutant; and proactive actions by Venezuela and Suriname in their border claims, all in 1969 — Burnham boosted the manpower of the armed forces from 2,631 in 1966 to over 21,000 by 1976. The resulting ratio of one soldier to every thirty-five civilians was one of the highest in the world.


Burnham though, could never even offer an explanation, at least publicly, why this new, massive armed force was 90 per cent Creole/African in a nation with over 53 per cent Indians.
Burnham envisioned that the armed forces, with their rigid hierarchical command structure, were the most efficient vehicle for the mobilisation of the African/Creole youth.  The GDF, formed just before Independence, and the Guyana Police Force (GPF) were joined by the Guyana National Service (GNS) in 1974 and the Guyana People’s Militia (GPM) in 1976. The women and youth arms of the P.N.C., the Women’s Revolutionary Socialist Movement (W.R.S.M.) and the Young Socialist Movement (Y.S.M.) were also armed.


The Forces were extensively politicised by a unit headed by David Granger, with the expressed mandate granted to involve the army in the “total development” of the country and the people. There were very meagre developmental accomplishments, but the army’s ubiquitous presence among the population, their seizure of ballot boxes during elections (1973), their use as intimidators and strike-breakers, and their unswerving loyalty to Burnham were “accomplishments” crucial to the survival of his regime.


When the PPP acceded to office in 1992, it seemed logical to most that they would have attempted to make the Armed Forces more representative of the country’s populace, if for nothing else than their own security against what ex-President Desmond Hoyte had described as “kith and kin” in the said forces. But with no action taken excepting to allow the GPM and GNS to wither, veteran PPP stalwart Ashton Chase futilely asked this question openly, since he pointed out that, before Burnham seized power, this was a burning issue with the PPP.
Especially since Burnham had demanded not “any abstract loyalty”, but the military’s involvement and unswerving support – which he called the policy of ‘Non-Neutralism’. They committed their total allegiance to the ideology of the P.N.C., “and not to any other Government’. This meant that if the P.N.C. were somehow to be removed from office, the army would not necessarily have to support the new Government.
Burnham, as Chairman of the Defence Board, also personally appointed all officers, who swore a personal oath of loyalty to him; and senior officers participated in the Biennial Congresses of the P.N.C.
Granger has appointed ex-military officers to a majority of Government departments; reintroduced the People’s Militia and the Cadets Corps, and boosted the manpower of the other forces.
The new Public Service College has followed suit.
We can expect Granger to continue following Burnham’s authoritarian footsteps if he is allowed to rig the upcoming elections. Be warned.

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As Guyana appears headed for another round of rigged elections under the leader of the PNC, this time Brigadier (Rtd) David Granger, history stands in danger of repeating itself. But as Marx warned, while the first time (under Burnham, in our instance) it is “tragedy”, the second time it will be a “farce”, since it is a caricature of the first. Which is really of no consequence to the folks under the new jackboots.

 

These fellas prattle the same over and over.The coalition government don't have to "RIG ELECTIONS"  it's the cries of defeat  awaiting  again for the PPP.

Django
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Just as CBJ participated in rigged election by refusal to be anti-american, Jagdeo pushes Granger into rigged elections. Who in their right mind when the odds are on their side will hand over power to marginalize the black population.

Indians needs to be sympathetic to the Black population.

S
Django posted:

The coalition government don't have to "RIG ELECTIONS" 

Really? By its actions since Charrandas Day the coalition showing its lack of confidence in winning elections on March 21.

Take note: Rigging is not a one-day affair. It starts with unilaterally picking a GECOM Chairman.

FM
Gilbakka posted:
Django posted:

The coalition government don't have to "RIG ELECTIONS" 

Really? By its actions since Charrandas Day the coalition showing its lack of confidence in winning elections on March 21.

Take note: Rigging is not a one-day affair. It starts with unilaterally picking a GECOM Chairman.

Ayuh want to get back in power by hook or crook, eh bhai. Not so easy.

Django

In 1991 during the election campaign Prashad saw close aides to Dr Jagan meeting and having dinner with Larry Lewis at the Georgetown Club so he figured that deals may be working out there.

Prashad

Django bai, regardless of all the desperate pontifications if there is no elections by March 21, 2019, the Coalition government will be in power by crook. They are not a monarch that can act like they are the final word on what the people of Guyana wants. Unfortunately the PNC has over half a century of history of disregarding the will of the Guyanese people. No amount of lipstick can hide that fact.

FM
Django posted:

As Guyana appears headed for another round of rigged elections under the leader of the PNC, this time Brigadier (Rtd) David Granger, history stands in danger of repeating itself. But as Marx warned, while the first time (under Burnham, in our instance) it is “tragedy”, the second time it will be a “farce”, since it is a caricature of the first. Which is really of no consequence to the folks under the new jackboots.

 

These fellas prattle the same over and over.The coalition government don't have to "RIG ELECTIONS"  it's the cries of defeat  awaiting  again for the PPP.

Direct from Congress Place, I saw that Phrase on another site.

K
kp posted:
Django posted:

As Guyana appears headed for another round of rigged elections under the leader of the PNC, this time Brigadier (Rtd) David Granger, history stands in danger of repeating itself. But as Marx warned, while the first time (under Burnham, in our instance) it is “tragedy”, the second time it will be a “farce”, since it is a caricature of the first. Which is really of no consequence to the folks under the new jackboots.

 

These fellas prattle the same over and over.The coalition government don't have to "RIG ELECTIONS"  it's the cries of defeat  awaiting  again for the PPP.

Direct from Congress Place, I saw that Phrase on another site.

Ha..ha.. no kowtow for Django.

Where your direction comes from ?

Django
ksazma posted:

Django bai, regardless of all the desperate pontifications if there is no elections by March 21, 2019, the Coalition government will be in power by crook.

They are not a monarch that can act like they are the final word on what the people of Guyana wants.

Unfortunately the PNC has over half a century of history of disregarding the will of the Guyanese people. No amount of lipstick can hide that fact.

Please define "the people" of Guyana, hearing this phrase throwing around all the time by East Indians.

Django
Django posted:
ksazma posted:

Django bai, regardless of all the desperate pontifications if there is no elections by March 21, 2019, the Coalition government will be in power by crook.

They are not a monarch that can act like they are the final word on what the people of Guyana wants.

Unfortunately the PNC has over half a century of history of disregarding the will of the Guyanese people. No amount of lipstick can hide that fact.

Please define "the people" of Guyana, hearing this phrase throwing around all the time by East Indians.

Everyone of the some three quarter million Guyanese living in Guyana. East Indians have as much right to make any comment they wish just like non-East Indians do. I am not ready yet to relinquish my Indian reality and I wouldn't advise any other East Indian to do so either.

No one knows how the voters will vote in the next elections but Granger is not Guyana's king who should dictate how they vote or even if they vote. He is currently behaving like a bullying thug. I would applaud the coalition government right now if they would declare that the current situation calls for elections by March 21, 2019 and make it happen. They should have no fear if they feel that they will prevail. By acting as they are right now, they are surrendering any deservedly respect.

The way the PNC are behaving, they don't believe the argument that the numbers don't favor the PPP.

FM
seignet posted:

Just as CBJ participated in rigged election by refusal to be anti-american, Jagdeo pushes Granger into rigged elections. Who in their right mind when the odds are on their side will hand over power to marginalize the black population.

Indians needs to be sympathetic to the Black population.

Yea. Doh is a really good point yuh mek dey Seig. Doh is at de heart of the dilemma dem bais like Baytoram and TK saying. Hey hey hey...and Freddie pissing. 

FM
kp posted:
Django posted:

As Guyana appears headed for another round of rigged elections under the leader of the PNC, this time Brigadier (Rtd) David Granger, history stands in danger of repeating itself. But as Marx warned, while the first time (under Burnham, in our instance) it is “tragedy”, the second time it will be a “farce”, since it is a caricature of the first. Which is really of no consequence to the folks under the new jackboots.

 

These fellas prattle the same over and over.The coalition government don't have to "RIG ELECTIONS"  it's the cries of defeat  awaiting  again for the PPP.

Direct from Congress Place, I saw that Phrase on another site.

KP I prefer to use the abbreviated name for that place: Congo Place. 

No different than dem PNC bais calling PPP’s freedom House a different name. 

FM
seignet posted:

Just as CBJ participated in rigged election by refusal to be anti-american, Jagdeo pushes Granger into rigged elections. Who in their right mind when the odds are on their side will hand over power to marginalize the black population.

Indians needs to be sympathetic to the Black population.

Blackman gat to be sympathetic to coolie too. 

FM
ksazma posted:
Django posted:
ksazma posted:

Django bai, regardless of all the desperate pontifications if there is no elections by March 21, 2019, the Coalition government will be in power by crook.

They are not a monarch that can act like they are the final word on what the people of Guyana wants.

Unfortunately the PNC has over half a century of history of disregarding the will of the Guyanese people. No amount of lipstick can hide that fact.

Please define "the people" of Guyana, hearing this phrase throwing around all the time by East Indians.

He is currently behaving like a bullying thug. I would applaud the coalition government right now if they would declare that the current situation calls for elections by March 21, 2019 and make it happen.
They should have no fear if they feel that they will prevail. By acting as they are right now, they are surrendering any deservedly respect.

The way the PNC are behaving, they don't believe the argument that the numbers don't favor the PPP.

That your perception,

the coalition gov't are abiding by the Constitution. The challenge to the validity of NCM in the Courts. That's how the rule of Law works, not to the whims and fancies of the opposition leader.

Django
Labba posted:
seignet posted:

Just as CBJ participated in rigged election by refusal to be anti-american, Jagdeo pushes Granger into rigged elections. Who in their right mind when the odds are on their side will hand over power to marginalize the black population.

Indians needs to be sympathetic to the Black population.

Blackman gat to be sympathetic to coolie too. 

You going to mek the man declare that Granger should become the ultimate dictator in the interest of Guyana.

FM
Django posted:
ksazma posted:
Django posted:
ksazma posted:

Django bai, regardless of all the desperate pontifications if there is no elections by March 21, 2019, the Coalition government will be in power by crook.

They are not a monarch that can act like they are the final word on what the people of Guyana wants.

Unfortunately the PNC has over half a century of history of disregarding the will of the Guyanese people. No amount of lipstick can hide that fact.

Please define "the people" of Guyana, hearing this phrase throwing around all the time by East Indians.

He is currently behaving like a bullying thug. I would applaud the coalition government right now if they would declare that the current situation calls for elections by March 21, 2019 and make it happen.
They should have no fear if they feel that they will prevail. By acting as they are right now, they are surrendering any deservedly respect.

The way the PNC are behaving, they don't believe the argument that the numbers don't favor the PPP.

That your perception,

the coalition gov't are abiding by the Constitution. The challenge to the validity of NCM in the Courts. That's how the rule of Law works, not to the whims and fancies of the opposition leader.

I agree that it is perception today. If there is no elections in 11 days, it becomes reality to everyone and this current government becomes an illegal government. Secondly, the Opposition Leader has a constitutional responsibility to hold the government to the law. Whims and fancies are your perception. 

FM
yuji22 posted:
Labba posted:
seignet posted:

Just as CBJ participated in rigged election by refusal to be anti-american, Jagdeo pushes Granger into rigged elections. Who in their right mind when the odds are on their side will hand over power to marginalize the black population.

Indians needs to be sympathetic to the Black population.

Blackman gat to be sympathetic to coolie too. 

You going to mek the man declare that Granger should become the ultimate dictator in the interest of Guyana.

And yuh doan tink the PNC thinks that way. What the PPP put forward is showing their hand. And that hand is not favorable to the Black ppl. Right or wrong, they wish to survive.

S

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