Oh oh that's it for big bossman, Bro' Keith has him in his sights for questioning the existence of the head dude.

Interesting how religious people act as if it is up to them to keep the existence of the head dude alive. 

Interesting documentary. Some of the timeline vary from what I previously thought but the general scientific arguments are in harmony with my own understanding. I thought man came about much earlier though. This piece showed an earth that existed for a very long time before the existence of human.

ksazma posted:

 This piece showed an earth that existed for a very long time before the existence of human.

But not before the Gecom dude, Patterson ...right?

cain posted:

ksazma posted:

 This piece showed an earth that existed for a very long time before the existence of human.

But not before the Gecom dude, Patterson ...right?

That GECOM dude older than God. 

I remember reading somewhere that the human existence is some 600 million years old but even so, there was a lot of time when we, the lords of the earth was not in charge of it. This documentary also showed that the earth has experienced many instances of heating and cooling which bring into question how much attention we should give to global warming. We do see the mighty Dinosaur being destroyed by changes in the earth's atmosphere and we are no match for the mighty dinosaur. 

Its science verses religion 

Amral posted:

Its science verses religion 

Science is more provable. Religions mainly exist in the minds and their faithful. That said, the imagery was quite impressive.

I still wonder though why was the earth created so different from the other planets

Amral posted:

I still wonder though why was the earth created so different from the other planets

Is it because of the moon's gravitational pull and the sun's proximity? If the moon disappears today, the earth would be in a wobbly orbit and life would be different on earth. We are lucky!

The founder of Logic, Aristotle, had logical arguments in favor of the existence of a First Cause for the cosmos. This argument has its opponents of course but which argument doesn’t? Every argument has people who do not believe it is logically sound; however that Logic is based on axioms. Depending on the axioms you choose, another logic appears. Who is more valid? Mine? Yours? For example we see about a dozen parameters of the Universe have a specific value to make it able to sustain life. One solution is to consider that by design. Another solution would be to consider that pure luck as Skeldon_Man mention. Which one sounds more logical? Skeldon_Man seem to be claiming that the universe may exist just because...but this is hypocrisy. Science continually searches for the cause of everything. How can it be that when it comes to the cosmos it stops searching? Accept the thinking of the other person if you want him to accept yours!

The most important things in life are your relationship with other people. And modern science is too materialistic and agnostic to see that. It only deals with lifeless things. Why then have it so much in estimation when it does not help you at all with the things that matter? On the other hand good religion practitioners will try and help you with your personal problems, will try and provide you guidance with your problems. Will support you when in need. In the 2011 crisis in Greece, it was the Church which provided food for free to the homeless, not science.

Science as we know is defined as "the observation, identification, description, experimental investigation, and theoretical explanation of phenomena." Science is what we use to gain a greater understanding of the natural universe. It is a search for knowledge through observation. Advances in science demonstrate the reach of human logic and imagination. However, a Christian’s belief in science should never be like our belief in God. A Christian can have faith in God and respect for science, as long as we remember which is perfect and which is not.

Our belief in God is a belief of faith. Our faith in His Son for salvation, faith in His Word for instruction, and faith in His Holy Spirit for guidance. Our faith in God should be absolute, since when we put our faith in God, we depend on a perfect, omnipotent, omniscient Creator. Our belief in science should be intellectual and nothing more. We can count on science to do many great things, but we can also count on science to make mistakes. If we put faith in science, we depend on imperfect, sinful, limited, mortal men. Science throughout history has been wrong about many things, such as the shape of the earth, powered flight, vaccines, blood transfusions, and even reproduction. God is never wrong.

Truth is nothing to fear, so there is no reason for a Christian to fear good science. Learning more about the way God constructed our universe helps all of mankind appreciate the wonder of creation. Expanding our knowledge helps us to combat disease, ignorance, and misunderstanding. However, there is danger when scientists hold their faith in human logic above faith in our Creator. These persons are no different from anyone devoted to a religion; they have chosen faith in man and will find facts to defend that faith.

Still, the most rational scientists, even those who refuse to believe in God, admit to a lack of completeness in our understanding of the universe. They will admit that neither God nor the Bible can be proved or disproved by science, just as many of their favorite theories ultimately cannot be proved or disproved. Science is meant to be a truly neutral discipline, seeking only the truth, not furtherance of an agenda.

Much of science supports the existence and work of God. Psalm 19:1 says, "The heavens declare the glory of God; the skies proclaim the work of His hands." As modern science discovers more about the universe, we find more evidence of creation. The amazing complexity and replication of DNA, the intricate and interlocking laws of physics, and the absolute harmony of conditions and chemistry here on earth all serve to support the message of the Bible. We should embrace science that seeks the truth, but reject the "priests of science" who put human knowledge above God.

Religion is man made. God is no different than Zumbie, we never see ,but we are scared.

 In a modern society, less and less people believe in god and organise religion, people are more educated.

I hope no one tries to say the Smurfs isn't real.

cain posted:

I hope no one tries to say the Smurfs isn't real.

It's  all in your head.

Keith posted:

How can it be that when it comes to the cosmos it stops searching?

In the 2011 crisis in Greece, it was the Church which provided food for free to the homeless, not science.

When did the search stop? Are you the only person they told?

The church takes exponentially more than it has or ever will give. Your comparison is nonsense. The church is an organization that takes and returns a little, ensuring the little it returns is well advertised. Science is not an organization that takes under threat. What is it supposed to give?

Keith posted:

The founder of Logic, Aristotle, had logical arguments in favor of the existence of a First Cause for the cosmos. This argument has its opponents of course but which argument doesn’t? Every argument has people who do not believe it is logically sound; however that Logic is based on axioms. Depending on the axioms you choose, another logic appears. Who is more valid? Mine? Yours? For example we see about a dozen parameters of the Universe have a specific value to make it able to sustain life. One solution is to consider that by design. Another solution would be to consider that pure luck as Skeldon_Man mention. Which one sounds more logical? Skeldon_Man seem to be claiming that the universe may exist just because...but this is hypocrisy. Science continually searches for the cause of everything. How can it be that when it comes to the cosmos it stops searching? Accept the thinking of the other person if you want him to accept yours!

The most important things in life are your relationship with other people. And modern science is too materialistic and agnostic to see that. It only deals with lifeless things. Why then have it so much in estimation when it does not help you at all with the things that matter? On the other hand good religion practitioners will try and help you with your personal problems, will try and provide you guidance with your problems. Will support you when in need. In the 2011 crisis in Greece, it was the Church which provided food for free to the homeless, not science.

You might think this is hypocrisy. Skeldon_Man was not and is not being brainwashed and told what to think. You need to think objectively. The bible is not the final say in our lives. It was written by rich men to exploit the poor and unfortunate. If the moon is removed from it's orbit, there will be no high and low tides and the earth would be in a wobbly orbit. How can life exist on earth? Please think outside the box.

skeldon_man posted:

Keith posted:

The founder of Logic, Aristotle, had logical arguments in favor of the existence of a First Cause for the cosmos. This argument has its opponents of course but which argument doesn’t? Every argument has people who do not believe it is logically sound; however that Logic is based on axioms. Depending on the axioms you choose, another logic appears. Who is more valid? Mine? Yours? For example we see about a dozen parameters of the Universe have a specific value to make it able to sustain life. One solution is to consider that by design. Another solution would be to consider that pure luck as Skeldon_Man mention. Which one sounds more logical? Skeldon_Man seem to be claiming that the universe may exist just because...but this is hypocrisy. Science continually searches for the cause of everything. How can it be that when it comes to the cosmos it stops searching? Accept the thinking of the other person if you want him to accept yours!

The most important things in life are your relationship with other people. And modern science is too materialistic and agnostic to see that. It only deals with lifeless things. Why then have it so much in estimation when it does not help you at all with the things that matter? On the other hand good religion practitioners will try and help you with your personal problems, will try and provide you guidance with your problems. Will support you when in need. In the 2011 crisis in Greece, it was the Church which provided food for free to the homeless, not science.

You might think this is hypocrisy. Skeldon_Man was not and is not being brainwashed and told what to think. You need to think objectively. The bible is not the final say in our lives. It was written by rich men to exploit the poor and unfortunate. If the moon is removed from it's orbit, there will be no high and low tides and the earth would be in a wobbly orbit. How can life exist on earth? Please think outside the box.

Who are the "rich men" you are referring too the bible was written by? Where is your evidence to support your statement?

As you have stated, "If the moon is removed from it's orbit, there will be no high and low tides and the earth would be in a wobbly orbit". How was this set in placed? Someone knows what they were doing wouldn't you say...that someone being God, the creator of everything.

Psalm 8
O Lord, our Lord, how excellent is thy name in all the earth! who hast set thy glory above the heavens.

² Out of the mouth of babes and sucklings hast thou ordained strength because of thine enemies, that thou mightest still the enemy and the avenger.

³ When I consider thy heavens, the work of thy fingers, the moon and the stars, which thou hast ordained;

⁴ What is man, that thou art mindful of him? and the son of man, that thou visitest him?

Keith posted:

skeldon_man posted:

Keith posted:

The founder of Logic, Aristotle, had logical arguments in favor of the existence of a First Cause for the cosmos. This argument has its opponents of course but which argument doesn’t? Every argument has people who do not believe it is logically sound; however that Logic is based on axioms. Depending on the axioms you choose, another logic appears. Who is more valid? Mine? Yours? For example we see about a dozen parameters of the Universe have a specific value to make it able to sustain life. One solution is to consider that by design. Another solution would be to consider that pure luck as Skeldon_Man mention. Which one sounds more logical? Skeldon_Man seem to be claiming that the universe may exist just because...but this is hypocrisy. Science continually searches for the cause of everything. How can it be that when it comes to the cosmos it stops searching? Accept the thinking of the other person if you want him to accept yours!

The most important things in life are your relationship with other people. And modern science is too materialistic and agnostic to see that. It only deals with lifeless things. Why then have it so much in estimation when it does not help you at all with the things that matter? On the other hand good religion practitioners will try and help you with your personal problems, will try and provide you guidance with your problems. Will support you when in need. In the 2011 crisis in Greece, it was the Church which provided food for free to the homeless, not science.

You might think this is hypocrisy. Skeldon_Man was not and is not being brainwashed and told what to think. You need to think objectively. The bible is not the final say in our lives. It was written by rich men to exploit the poor and unfortunate. If the moon is removed from it's orbit, there will be no high and low tides and the earth would be in a wobbly orbit. How can life exist on earth? Please think outside the box.

Who are the "rich men" you are referring too the bible was written by? Where is your evidence to support your statement?

As you have stated, "If the moon is removed from it's orbit, there will be no high and low tides and the earth would be in a wobbly orbit". How was this set in placed? Someone knows what they were doing wouldn't you say...that someone being God, the creator of everything.

Psalm 8
O Lord, our Lord, how excellent is thy name in all the earth! who hast set thy glory above the heavens.

² Out of the mouth of babes and sucklings hast thou ordained strength because of thine enemies, that thou mightest still the enemy and the avenger.

³ When I consider thy heavens, the work of thy fingers, the moon and the stars, which thou hast ordained;

⁴ What is man, that thou art mindful of him? and the son of man, that thou visitest him?

Someone knows what they were doing wouldn't you say...that someone being God, the creator of everything.

Just like they claimed that Moses parted the Red Sea and Sodom and Gomorrah? Two natural phenomena.
Someone being God should not be referenced as "THEY". How about HE or SHE?

Did you find who were the rich men that wrote the bible?