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Government reviews buying “pirated” text books

September 22, 2012 | By | Filed Under News 

- By Latoya Giles

Government intends to rethink the move to buy reprinted textbooks, according to Head of the Pirates Donald Ramotar during a press briefing yesterday afternoon.
The president said that the government is currently looking at the process and is trying to secure an amicable solution.

“We are looking at the process right now and we are trying to get an amicable solution right now…The issue has actively got our attention and we are looking at it” President Ramotar stated.  The president further noted that although they are trying to get value for money they are trying to bring the controversy to an end.
The president confirmed that members of his government met with several British diplomats from the British High Commission to discuss the issue. The president said that he cannot go into details but they are all trying to come to end the matter.
The London-based body that represents publishers worldwide last week blasted Guyana’s decision to buy pirated textbooks locally. It described the move as illegal and had threatened legal actions.

Emma House, International and Trade Director of the Publishers Association Limited (PA) said that Guyana’s decision was in direct contravention of the local, regional and international laws.

“The Cabinet’s decision in Guyana to procure pirated textbooks for public schools is an indisputably illegal act. This decision is in contravention of Guyanese law, Caribbean law (CARICOM’s revised Treaty of Chaguaramas) and the International Berne Convention,” PA said in a release.

According to the publishing house “the Guyanese government has not contacted publishers to discuss supply of legitimate books.  This makes the government’s claim that this illegal action is justified by concern over price totally redundant and disingenuous, if not hypocritical.”

The real victims of the government’s actions, PA said, are the Guyanese children, who are now being provided with sub-standard resources by the Ministry of Education.


Head of the Presidential Secretariat, Dr. Roger Luncheon, admitted it was a Cabinet decision to procure pirated textbooks for school. In justifying the decision for pirated books being bought by Government, Dr Luncheon also said that it all had to do with value for money. The Cabinet decision was also based on quality and pricing, he said.

Local book publishers say that the pirated or photocopied textbooks are sold for half and in some cases, for a fraction of the normal price of the originals. Some of the bookstores which hold the distributing rights to textbooks claimed that they were forced to drastically reduce imports in recent years because of the decision by Government.


The piracy issue had seen reports of former Education Minister, Shaik Baksh, denying in 2010 that it was a policy and that he will have to investigate. Last year, explosive revelations by the Auditor General report of 2010 pointed to serious wrongdoings with the procurement of textbooks with millions of dollars paid before the contract was even awarded.

There were indications also that books were ordered by the Ministry of Education and either not delivered and or were short delivered. Earlier this year, a senior official in charge of the department at the Ministry of Education which was tasked with ordering the books was removed. Pirated or photocopied textbooks are openly being sold in a number of city stores. It is a billion dollar business.


Guyana’s copyright laws are outdated and not geared to deal with the current problem it faces and there have been repeated calls for these to be adjusted.

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 the Auditor General report of 2010 pointed to serious wrongdoings with the procurement of textbooks with millions of dollars paid before the contract was even awarded.

There were indications also that books were ordered by the Ministry of Education and either not delivered and or were short delivered

Mitwah

Excerpt:
The president further noted that although they are trying to get value for money, they are trying to bring the controversy to an end.

That is reasonable Comrade Donald. Nobody doesn't know the value of a dollar any more.

FM
Originally Posted by Mitwah:

There is only one "amicable" solution and that is, the LEGAL WAY. Does Ramotar have the moral fibre to do that which is noble?

'small' problem . . . kickback(s) from the printing contract already allocated

FM
Originally Posted by ABIDHA:

Excerpt:
The president further noted that although they are trying to get value for money, they are trying to bring the controversy to an end.

That is reasonable Comrade Donald. Nobody doesn't know the value of a dollar any more.

Snakeman, look how de PPP put cart before the donkey... and now Ramo doing wrigglin and back peddlin. He could fire the Chief of the Pirates and distant himself from the decision to break the laws.

The message that the PPP is sending to the poor is that it's ok  to steal "to get  value for money."

Mitwah
Originally Posted by ABIDHA:

The Q&A is NOT for adults. Just address members appropriately and we can discuss peacefully. I know you're a good man to know right from wrong.

I wish I could say the same about. Your moral compass is out of focus. You support stealing.

Mitwah
Originally Posted by Mitwah:
Originally Posted by ABIDHA:

The Q&A is NOT for adults. Just address members appropriately and we can discuss peacefully. I know you're a good man to know right from wrong.

I wish I could say the same about. Your moral compass is out of focus. You support stealing.

OK

FM

The GoG did the correct thing.  Had the Govt approached the publisher first, I doubt they would have an audience.  The publisher now know they must negotiate or the Govt will do what is necessary to educate the children and they could shout and cry in the international courts.

 

This is a chess game, they have the content, Guyana has the "consumer".

FM
Originally Posted by baseman:

The GoG did the correct thing.  Had the Govt approached the publisher first, I doubt they would have an audience.  The publisher now know they must negotiate or the Govt will do what is necessary to educate the children and they could shout and cry in the international courts.

 

This is a chess game, they have the content, Guyana has the "consumer".

is there no end to your stupidness . . .?

 

U and drug_B must be thumbing through the same "creative defense of the indefensible" tiefman primer

FM
Originally Posted by baseman:

The GoG did the correct thing.  Had the Govt approached the publisher first, I doubt they would have an audience.  The publisher now know they must negotiate or the Govt will do what is necessary to educate the children and they could shout and cry in the international courts.

 

This is a chess game, they have the content, Guyana has the "consumer".

Your moral compass is also out of focus. Stealing is stealing. I am certain you will use the same reason to justify shoplifting for and with  your children and out of necessity steal your neighbor's chicken to feed your hungry family.

Mitwah

I don't steal my neighbor's chicken, but when one enters my yard it's legally mine. Sometime I do have rice boiling in advance with great anticipation of a chicken coming my way. Now, what don't you know about stealing vs a bargain and little white lies to save a life? We have too many overnight saints in politics, and that's not good for Guyana.

FM
Originally Posted by ABIDHA:

I don't steal my neighbor's chicken, but when one enters my yard it's legally mine. Sometime I do have rice boiling in advance with great anticipation of a chicken coming my way. Now, what don't you know about stealing vs a bargain and little white lies to save a life? We have too many overnight saints in politics, and that's not good for Guyana.

Since when appropriating a stray makes it legal? This stupid excuse to appropriate anthers property is the most amoral form of self deception one can be seduced into because one is lazy to do the right thing.

FM
Originally Posted by baseman:

The GoG did the correct thing.  Had the Govt approached the publisher first, I doubt they would have an audience.  The publisher now know they must negotiate or the Govt will do what is necessary to educate the children and they could shout and cry in the international courts.

 

This is a chess game, they have the content, Guyana has the "consumer".

Since when is stealing ever the right thing? Is it because the PPP is doing it? I note they can pass all sorts of ignominious opinions and lies off to supporters because they simply swallow and not think. We had Lumumba on the anti corruption debates when he is clearly a greedy crook. Then there was the loud mouthed lout  screaming about morality when he is building a pool house with no other sources of income except his salary. How about that mice eyed Brassington in his transsexual tones sparking of honesty when he traded off a third of a company to his brother on insider trading. This PPP gets over with these criminal acts because Indians like you in general are easy to find moral "appropriateness" for naked theft simply because you cannot admit they are crooks. It does the idea of a moral race bad. Worse it does Indian people bad since these are crooks first and not representatives of their ethnic designations.

FM
Originally Posted by ABIDHA:

I don't steal my neighbor's chicken, but when one enters my yard it's legally mine. Sometime I do have rice boiling in advance with great anticipation of a chicken coming my way. Now, what don't you know about stealing vs a bargain and little white lies to save a life? We have too many overnight saints in politics, and that's not good for Guyana.

You shall not covet your neighbor's house. You shall not covet your neighbor's wife, or his manservant or maidservant, his ox or donkey, or anything that belongs to your neighbor.

— <cite>Exodus 20:17</cite>

 

John 10:10 speaks about you: "The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy."

Mitwah
Originally Posted by ABIDHA:

Guyana politics is govern by a constitution and not the Bible.

Could you point us to the article number that says we have a right to pirate books and stick our finger to international laws?

FM
Originally Posted by redux:
Originally Posted by baseman:

The GoG did the correct thing.  Had the Govt approached the publisher first, I doubt they would have an audience.  The publisher now know they must negotiate or the Govt will do what is necessary to educate the children and they could shout and cry in the international courts.

 

This is a chess game, they have the content, Guyana has the "consumer".

is there no end to your stupidness . . .?

 

U and drug_B must be thumbing through the same "creative defense of the indefensible" tiefman primer

Yes, I know, you smart, PNC would have bought what they can, make sure the kids of PNCites have it and the rest squirm.  Now that is smarts!!

FM
Originally Posted by ABIDHA:

Guyana politics is govern by a constitution and not the Bible.

 

Mahatma Ghandi: “The human voice can never reach the distance that is covered by the still small voice of conscience.”

 

Seems like cockroach eat yours.

Mitwah
Originally Posted by baseman:
Originally Posted by redux:
Originally Posted by baseman:

The GoG did the correct thing.  Had the Govt approached the publisher first, I doubt they would have an audience.  The publisher now know they must negotiate or the Govt will do what is necessary to educate the children and they could shout and cry in the international courts.

 

This is a chess game, they have the content, Guyana has the "consumer".

is there no end to your stupidness . . .?

 

U and drug_B must be thumbing through the same "creative defense of the indefensible" tiefman primer

Yes, I know, you smart, PNC would have bought what they can, make sure the kids of PNCites have it and the rest squirm.  Now that is smarts!!

What a hapless, pathetic, clownish excuse to the corrupt PPP trying to openly steal intellectual property!

 

The PNC, if they stole, speak to that. Don't imagine crimes for them. They did not break copyright laws openly and try to rationalize it on "cost efficiency". The laughable part is I bet i wonder what they will say if thieves of all sorts could look to this for guidance to rationalize their action.

FM
Originally Posted by baseman:
Originally Posted by redux:
Originally Posted by baseman:

The GoG did the correct thing.  Had the Govt approached the publisher first, I doubt they would have an audience.  The publisher now know they must negotiate or the Govt will do what is necessary to educate the children and they could shout and cry in the international courts.

 

This is a chess game, they have the content, Guyana has the "consumer".

is there no end to your stupidness . . .?

 

U and drug_B must be thumbing through the same "creative defense of the indefensible" tiefman primer

Yes, I know, you smart, PNC would have bought what they can, make sure the kids of PNCites have it and the rest squirm.  Now that is smarts!!

when your confusion subsides and U figure out something sensible to say . . . let us know

FM
Originally Posted by Stormborn:
Originally Posted by baseman:
Originally Posted by redux:
Originally Posted by baseman:

The GoG did the correct thing.  Had the Govt approached the publisher first, I doubt they would have an audience.  The publisher now know they must negotiate or the Govt will do what is necessary to educate the children and they could shout and cry in the international courts.

 

This is a chess game, they have the content, Guyana has the "consumer".

is there no end to your stupidness . . .?

 

U and drug_B must be thumbing through the same "creative defense of the indefensible" tiefman primer

Yes, I know, you smart, PNC would have bought what they can, make sure the kids of PNCites have it and the rest squirm.  Now that is smarts!!

What a hapless, pathetic, clownish excuse to the corrupt PPP trying to openly steal intellectual property!

 

The PNC, if they stole, speak to that. Don't imagine crimes for them. They did not break copyright laws openly and try to rationalize it on "cost efficiency". The laughable part is I bet i wonder what they will say if thieves of all sorts could look to this for guidance to rationalize their action.

I don't "imagine" PNC crimes, but it's an experience a Buckman cannot relate to.

 

The PPP should make right with the publishers and be on the right side of international law.  I know the issue is very complex with content owners strewed all over the world making i difficult to reaching an agreement.  But then what does one do who wants to negotiate a better price?  It could be very frustrating and I could imagine was the cause behind the GoG going "rogue" on the issue.  In the end though, they have to work within the international legal frameworks.

FM
Originally Posted by Mitwah:

Baseman has lost his conscience. What a shame.

I haven't, we are just on two different wavelengths.  My first point of "moral reference" is the kids getting an education, the second is the business interest behind the business of education.  If that is "lost conscience", then let me be unconscious".

FM
Originally Posted by baseman:
Originally Posted by Mitwah:

Baseman has lost his conscience. What a shame.

I haven't, we are just on two different wavelengths.  My first point of "moral reference" is the kids getting an education, the second is the business interest behind the business of education.  If that is "lost conscience", then let me be unconscious".

Then explain why Ramotar is wriggling and back pedaling? The education you are giving the population is that it's OK to steal when you can't afford to purchase it and not to have value for intellectrual work by others. The wages of sin is death. You are dying slowly to amorality. You cannot commit a sin when you are unconscious.

Mitwah
Originally Posted by Mitwah:
Originally Posted by baseman:
Originally Posted by Mitwah:

Baseman has lost his conscience. What a shame.

I haven't, we are just on two different wavelengths.  My first point of "moral reference" is the kids getting an education, the second is the business interest behind the business of education.  If that is "lost conscience", then let me be unconscious".

Then explain why Ramotar is wriggling and back pedaling? The education you are giving the population is that it's OK to steal when you can't afford to purchase it and not to have value for intellectrual work by others. The wages of sin is death. You are dying slowly to amorality. You cannot commit a sin when you are unconscious.

Wel, you can go ahead and die of morality, I will not die of hunger.

FM
Originally Posted by baseman:
Originally Posted by Stormborn:
Originally Posted by baseman:
Originally Posted by redux:
Originally Posted by baseman:

The GoG did the correct thing.  Had the Govt approached the publisher first, I doubt they would have an audience.  The publisher now know they must negotiate or the Govt will do what is necessary to educate the children and they could shout and cry in the international courts.

 

This is a chess game, they have the content, Guyana has the "consumer".

is there no end to your stupidness . . .?

 

U and drug_B must be thumbing through the same "creative defense of the indefensible" tiefman primer

Yes, I know, you smart, PNC would have bought what they can, make sure the kids of PNCites have it and the rest squirm.  Now that is smarts!!

What a hapless, pathetic, clownish excuse to the corrupt PPP trying to openly steal intellectual property!

 

The PNC, if they stole, speak to that. Don't imagine crimes for them. They did not break copyright laws openly and try to rationalize it on "cost efficiency". The laughable part is I bet i wonder what they will say if thieves of all sorts could look to this for guidance to rationalize their action.

I don't "imagine" PNC crimes, but it's an experience a Buckman cannot relate to.

 

The PPP should make right with the publishers and be on the right side of international law.  I know the issue is very complex with content owners strewed all over the world making i difficult to reaching an agreement.  But then what does one do who wants to negotiate a better price?  It could be very frustrating and I could imagine was the cause behind the GoG going "rogue" on the issue.  In the end though, they have to work within the international legal frameworks.

 

Am I to presume that a prescient instance exists outside the domain of understanding of others that only the offspring of an Indian   can conceptually grasp? Sorry, you rate your ancestral linage too highly! If ever it came with an acquired understanding  from millenniums of suffering it would be about uncommon modesty and compassion that is absent in you. But then you are supposedly of that parasitic caste called Brahmin so you are of the habit of trying to run farther than you can walk and imagine  yourself possessed of more of an intellectual benefaction than exists

 

There is nothing problematic with copyright issues. You abide by them that is all. If you are to use intellectual products owned by others you do the necessary thing to contact them, and procure their offering. You do not go to crooks in a local basement shop to produce insubstantial copies of the offering and deprive the owners of their rightful fees for use. If those simple rules are not followed we hurt ourselves as our unique products can similarly be misappropriated

 

The PPP know of this since they used the courts to enforce a sanction against an indivitual re labeling sugar " demerara sugar" for resale among the diaspora. It takes little for a local agent to relabel any of our alcohol products now offered as boutique offerings in liquor stores to take advantage of us. What moral grounds would we have to complain if such happens.

 

FM
Originally Posted by baseman:
Originally Posted by Mitwah:
Originally Posted by baseman:
Originally Posted by Mitwah:

Baseman has lost his conscience. What a shame.

I haven't, we are just on two different wavelengths.  My first point of "moral reference" is the kids getting an education, the second is the business interest behind the business of education.  If that is "lost conscience", then let me be unconscious".

Then explain why Ramotar is wriggling and back pedaling? The education you are giving the population is that it's OK to steal when you can't afford to purchase it and not to have value for intellectrual work by others. The wages of sin is death. You are dying slowly to amorality. You cannot commit a sin when you are unconscious.

Wel, you can go ahead and die of morality, I will not die of hunger.

You are confused. I am not speaking of a physical death, unless you are wishing death on me. I have santosh. It does not come easy.


We recently saw your racism  and now you are demonstrating your lack of moral sensibility; not caring about right and wrong.

Mitwah
Originally Posted by baseman:

. . . I know the issue is very complex with content owners strewed all over the world making i difficult to reaching an agreement.  But then what does one do who wants to negotiate a better price?  It could be very frustrating and I could imagine was the cause behind the GoG going "rogue" on the issue.

corrupt nonsense!

FM
Originally Posted by Mitwah:
Originally Posted by baseman:
Originally Posted by Mitwah:
Originally Posted by baseman:
Originally Posted by Mitwah:

Baseman has lost his conscience. What a shame.

I haven't, we are just on two different wavelengths.  My first point of "moral reference" is the kids getting an education, the second is the business interest behind the business of education.  If that is "lost conscience", then let me be unconscious".

Then explain why Ramotar is wriggling and back pedaling? The education you are giving the population is that it's OK to steal when you can't afford to purchase it and not to have value for intellectrual work by others. The wages of sin is death. You are dying slowly to amorality. You cannot commit a sin when you are unconscious.

Wel, you can go ahead and die of morality, I will not die of hunger.

You are confused. I am not speaking of a physical death, unless you are wishing death on me. I have santosh. It does not come easy.


We recently saw your racism  and now you are demonstrating your lack of moral sensibility; not caring about right and wrong.

You are paranoid and think too much of yourself.  You can rest assure, you are not that important for me to wish you ill in any way.

FM
Originally Posted by redux:
Originally Posted by baseman:

. . . I know the issue is very complex with content owners strewed all over the world making i difficult to reaching an agreement.  But then what does one do who wants to negotiate a better price?  It could be very frustrating and I could imagine was the cause behind the GoG going "rogue" on the issue.

corrupt nonsense!

???

FM
Originally Posted by baseman:
Originally Posted by redux:
Originally Posted by baseman:

. . . I know the issue is very complex with content owners strewed all over the world making i difficult to reaching an agreement.  But then what does one do who wants to negotiate a better price?  It could be very frustrating and I could imagine was the cause behind the GoG going "rogue" on the issue.

corrupt nonsense!

???

OK, i've hilighted your "corrupt nonsense" for YOUR edification . . . better?

FM
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Originally Posted by redux:
Originally Posted by baseman:
Originally Posted by redux:
Originally Posted by baseman:

. . . I know the issue is very complex with content owners strewed all over the world making i difficult to reaching an agreement.  But then what does one do who wants to negotiate a better price?  It could be very frustrating and I could imagine was the cause behind the GoG going "rogue" on the issue.

corrupt nonsense!

???

OK, i've hilighted your "corrupt nonsense" for YOUR edification . . . better?

???

FM
Originally Posted by baseman:
Originally Posted by Mitwah:
Originally Posted by baseman:
Originally Posted by Mitwah:
Originally Posted by baseman:
Originally Posted by Mitwah:

Baseman has lost his conscience. What a shame.

I haven't, we are just on two different wavelengths.  My first point of "moral reference" is the kids getting an education, the second is the business interest behind the business of education.  If that is "lost conscience", then let me be unconscious".

Then explain why Ramotar is wriggling and back pedaling? The education you are giving the population is that it's OK to steal when you can't afford to purchase it and not to have value for intellectrual work by others. The wages of sin is death. You are dying slowly to amorality. You cannot commit a sin when you are unconscious.

Wel, you can go ahead and die of morality, I will not die of hunger.

You are confused. I am not speaking of a physical death, unless you are wishing death on me. I have santosh. It does not come easy.


We recently saw your racism  and now you are demonstrating your lack of moral sensibility; not caring about right and wrong.

You are paranoid and think too much of yourself.  You can rest assure, you are not that important for me to wish you ill in any way.

Perhaps Krishna needs to come to Guyana before returning to Vrindavan. I know you will tell me that Krishna was maakhan chor.

Mitwah

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